Board 8 > Chris Music Mafia Topic 1: Dreams and Nightmares.

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benjamin3740 posted...

Man, I forgot Rik was playing. Now there's something that never usually happens.

He did it just last game and was scum to boot!
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Let me be clear: Tony's post was 100% a "I see the game has started and I want people to see me post" post. That's all that he did, aside from a pointless non-response to someone.

Considering he said "Anyone else not expecting the game to be posted tonight?", you would assume he was prepared for it to be going today. He has not made a single post today. I don't think it's damning because it's still only the first 19 hours of the day, but it does make me real suspicious of his check-in from last night.

Crescent-Moon posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

What has Han actually added to this game?

I caught Tony as Scum, for one.

And just to be clear, I wasn't throwing shade on you. I was making a joke, on you saying "how am I supposed to be cute and catty when I'm passing out?"

Personally, I didn't really see anything wrong with plum's post, but I'm willing to lend a vote to people who say they did for the purpose of getting some game going.

And I ask again, how is that post much different from similar Tony posts last game which he made for the sake of making? FD also made similarly useless "check in" posts day 1 in Blade Mafia 5.

The difference to me is his activity has been way less, not that one post. If there's anything to suspect him on, it's that he's done nothing yet. I think your reason is reaching.

Ninja'd.

To answer your question, I don't actually care. I didn't read last game. If Tony posted nothing but uselessness, then by all means, join me and we can pressure him to actually provide real content.

I do want plum to answer puns's question though.
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EDumey posted...

I wasn't accusing you of supporting that. Was actually agreeing that Town just needs to be more decisive! Explanation of why no lynch is wrong is more directed at Zach.

This whole last page of topic has been a lot of talk with little said. I want Leo to come back and defend himself/give updated opinions on Plum before I consider moving my vote. But I'd say my Finger of Suspicion is on probably Scare.

Also I like how Corrick has been entirely ignored. Shouldn't let him get away with it, but no one really wants to confront him I guess.

The only reason I don't want to immediately murder Scare right now is that he's been this grievously wrong and stubborn about me before based on very little reasoning while more or less ignoring everything else I said in a game before.

It was in the other Chris game that was already referenced. I was countertunneling him relentlessly for it because I expected town Scare to understand how I ticked and know my actions that game would never have come from my scum play.

(For reference: I first post claimed an anti-town "town power role" that I had never heard of before and could not understand why Scare was suspecting me for it.)

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Let me be clear: Tony's post was 100% a "I see the game has started and I want people to see me post" post. That's all that he did, aside from a pointless non-response to someone.

Considering he said "Anyone else not expecting the game to be posted tonight?", you would assume he was prepared for it to be going today. He has not made a single post today. I don't think it's damning because it's still only the first 19 hours of the day, but it does make me real suspicious of his check-in from last night.

Crescent-Moon posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

What has Han actually added to this game?

I caught Tony as Scum, for one.

And just to be clear, I wasn't throwing shade on you. I was making a joke, on you saying "how am I supposed to be cute and catty when I'm passing out?"

Personally, I didn't really see anything wrong with plum's post, but I'm willing to lend a vote to people who say they did for the purpose of getting some game going.

And I ask again, how is that post much different from similar Tony posts last game which he made for the sake of making? FD also made similarly useless "check in" posts day 1 in Blade Mafia 5.

The difference to me is his activity has been way less, not that one post. If there's anything to suspect him on, it's that he's done nothing yet. I think your reason is reaching.

Ninja'd.

To answer your question, I don't actually care. I didn't read last game. If Tony posted nothing but uselessness, then by all means, join me and we can pressure him to actually provide real content.

I do want plum to answer puns's question though.

I only have a loose understanding (moreso of day 1 than the others), but Tony posted a lot. A lot of it was useless, but his post count was much higher there than it was here.

Ok. So Tony is Scum.

Scare, what do you think about me?
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did Tony hate being scum?
I cant remember.
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Also it sounded like he wasnt prepared for the game to start yet, but that doesnt translate into 'busy in real life a la FD' immediately.
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Could be, but I still disliked the reasoning you were following.

You know what...

@ChaosTonyV4

Please do something.

Oh shit.

I keep meaning to bring this up inbetween games, but I really wish we would outlaw pinging people in mafia games.

Modpoking is a power I feel should be reserved for hosts.

Death, normally I have you in my ???? tier, but this game, I have you trending to one side (either the Scummish or Townish side, but I'm not telling). Do you feel that there is any particular reason I am seeing you as one way, as opposed to me usually feeling like your not particularly noticeable?
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htaeD posted...

Also it sounded like he wasnt prepared for the game to start yet, but that doesnt translate into 'busy in real life a la FD' immediately.

It is a bit different from FD's posts in Blade Mafia 5, but not signficantly. FD made two "check in" posts early on that came with excuses not to do anything and leave. Tony's was just nothing.

@HanOfTheNekos

sorry, just being a jerk.
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Dumey's probably Scum.
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Pinging should be allowed I feel

Or rather, should be left up to each host (obvious answer here)

Han I dont really feel like you can say you caught tony as scum. Ive noted too he hasnt said shit but Im not waving it around as what Ive done today.

Why shouldn't it be allowed?
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I don't have any particularly strong opinion of Dumey, but I'd like Dumey to elaborate on what he thinks about Scare because I feel like he's namedropped him a couple of times.

It's using out-of-game means to contact other players. It's something that has typically been reserved for hosts in the past (modpoking). It can be taken advantage of in annoying ways.

Zach, I said he was Scum and I'm probably right. Who said that before me? Perhaps if you had, you could take the credit, but I'm afraid the early bird gets the worm, here.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

It's using out-of-game means to contact other players. It's something that has typically been reserved for hosts in the past (modpoking). It can be taken advantage of in annoying ways.

Zach, I said he was Scum and I'm probably right. Who said that before me? Perhaps if you had, you could take the credit, but I'm afraid the early bird gets the worm, here.

Because scum never shades scum for a weak reason early in a gam?

I don't feel you have anything to "take credit for" and it doesn't move the needle on you as far as I'm concerned even if he is scum.

pjbasis posted...

Why shouldn't it be allowed?

I think the logic is that people have lives and aren't at the beck and call of any given player in the game. If someone is lurking or doesn't have much to post, they'll ignore alerts anyway. If there's an actual worry that they're ignoring the game and not playing, then the alert from Admin poke should mean something.

Crescent-Moon posted...

I don't have any particularly strong opinion of Dumey, but I'd like Dumey to elaborate on what he thinks about Scare because I feel like he's namedropped him a couple of times.

I think I've only mentioned Scare the one single time past some jokes with him in the first two pages. But basically he's done nothing. The "red flag" on you is entirely based on a personality tell. Other than one line comments doesn't say much else. Then this quote:

ScareChan posted...

Leo help me out on crescent and you get a scare ticket to cash in my sword at a later time!

While it may be entirely a joke, propositioning the guy that is trying to start a pressure train just seems like a weird post to make. Deflecting the train from Plum by asking him to switch votes? Not sure but this is the post in combination with his general play that gets my FoS.
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ColZach posted...

Han I dont really feel like you can say you caught tony as scum. Ive noted too he hasnt said shit but Im not waving it around as what Ive done today.

On second read, this feels a bit like a perspective slip. ColZach avoided saying anything about Tony's alignment...

He very easily could have said "Tony has said two posts, we don't know anything about his alignment." Or "I thought he hasn't said a whole lot, but you haven't caught him because we don't know his alignment".

Zach didn't even mention that I didn't prove Tony Scum or anything. Just said that it's foolish for me to say that's been what I've done today. (and he left himself an out for thinking Tony is Scum as well).
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In addition, Scare's post to Leo was a while after Leo had apparently left and wasn't responding to posts for a page. So it's not like it was friendly banter with someone in the topic at the time.
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Crescent-Moon posted...

I don't feel you have anything to "take credit for" and it doesn't move the needle on you as far as I'm concerned even if he is scum.

I've caught two Scum now, tho.
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I don't see why pinging is offense, you actually have to be logged onto and active on the site here to see them anyway.

EDumey posted...

I think I've only mentioned Scare the one single time past some jokes with him in the first two pages. But basically he's done nothing. The "red flag" on you is entirely based on a personality tell. Other than one line comments doesn't say much else. Then this quote:

I don't think he's calling it a personality tell. He's calling it a vague scumtell and refusing to do anything else.

Hey Dumey, why are you ignoring that I said you're probably Scum?
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Oh shit.

I keep meaning to bring this up inbetween games, but I really wish we would outlaw pinging people in mafia games.

Modpoking is a power I feel should be reserved for hosts.

Death, normally I have you in my ???? tier, but this game, I have you trending to one side (either the Scummish or Townish side, but I'm not telling). Do you feel that there is any particular reason I am seeing you as one way, as opposed to me usually feeling like your not particularly noticeable?

havent town cleared you yet, but you are more towny than scummy to me
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Hey Dumey, why are you ignoring that I said you're probably Scum?

honestly? i thought that was a joke about me pinging you.

otherwise, pls explain.
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I never joke around.
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Good explanation.
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Okay, so Han is either worthless town or scum this game so thats good to know

Zach is mad because I caught him. Took him awhile to decide on that as his response too. Sorry puns, I'm hopping ship.

##Unvote:
##Vote: ColZach
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EDumey posted...

Good explanation.

I wanted to see how you'd respond to that question tbqh.
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Great work Hans, you caught me, but I already claimed I was independent music mixer DJ hops, so youre a little behind the reveal.

I lied btw, you arent worthless town, youre actual detrimental town. Your post delegated towards me from the very beginning is looking for reasons for me to be scum.

If you are town Im asking you nicely to not be terrible day 1. Please reconsider.

Han I would like to know when you have been worthless anything

cite examples
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ColZach posted...

Okay, so Han is either worthless town or scum this game so thats good to know

This is going too far. We have several people in this camp though.

Lolo has two posts about millers and nothing else

Tange has 1 post and no content

FD has 1 post

MZero has 3 posts and no content

Tony has 2 posts and no content

Plum has barely done more than those people

There's probably more on this list too. Comparing Han to that list is factually incorrect.

Sure. Now that Scare responded to your question, Han, I'm actually interested in the reverse. What do you think of Scare? I know we've already spoken about "tenuous logic," do you think his vote versus Crescent holds any merit?
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I corrected myself.

Hes scum or detrimental town, not worthlessly inactive.

Also ##Unvote

Han's recent play has become somewhat different from his play in PW.

PW Han didn't care about the silly little things like "taking credit". It's behavior that naturally looks bad to me, but conflicts with the scum Han I just played with. That Han mostly just fired out shade with abandon.

Zach heads up

no one listened to you last game because of how you approach things. You are already doing it now. If you want to be ignored all game continue to have an attitude, otherwise you need to learn to communicate better

this said Zach is reminding me a lot of how he was last game and he was town so thats where I lay on him currently
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ColZach posted...

I corrected myself.

Hes scum or detrimental town, not worthlessly inactive.

I've disliked his approach but to call it actively detrimental if he's town is inane.

EDumey posted...

Sure. Now that Scare responded to your question, Han, I'm actually interested in the reverse. What do you think of Scare? I know we've already spoken about "tenuous logic," do you think his vote versus Crescent holds any merit?

I need to reread on it, tbh. I don't feel Crescent as Scum right now, which is really telling because I usually think people are Scum when they vote me when I'm Town (because I'm traditionally very easy to read as Town and only Scum vote me), but I think she's being sincere with her thoughts. Wrong, but sincere.

Scare tends to respect me as a player, so when he takes actions that seem to benefit me, I get wary of him. Otherwise, it's meta, but when he was Indy Minjo, a lot of people thought he was Scummy and I didn't necessarily see it, so I'm willing to lend an ear to groupthink about him.
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Insane?

I dont really think its insane, but claiming to have caught someone as scum on check in post as evidence and inactivity and then trying to push a perspective slip is not pro-town

What do I know I guess, I just have an attitude

ScareChan posted...

Zach heads up

no one listened to you last game because of how you approach things. You are already doing it now. If you want to be ignored all game continue to have an attitude, otherwise you need to learn to communicate better

this said Zach is reminding me a lot of how he was last game and he was town so thats where I lay on him currently

If this is Town Zach, then he is really being detrimental to Town here *shrug*
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I dont like people ignoring Alakazam his post was bad
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ColZach posted...

Insane?

I dont really think its insane, but claiming to have caught someone as scum on check in post as evidence and inactivity and then trying to push a perspective slip is not pro-town

What do I know I guess, I just have an attitude

Inane and Insane are different words.

masterplum posted...

I dont like people ignoring Alakazam his post was bad

Post #?

Crescent-Moon posted...

ColZach posted...

Insane?

I dont really think its insane, but claiming to have caught someone as scum on check in post as evidence and inactivity and then trying to push a perspective slip is not pro-town

What do I know I guess, I just have an attitude

Inane and Insane are different words.

Ahh my apologies I misread

Still disagree, but oh well

All I remember from Alakazam is.. A bunch of gibberish and a barely justified vote on Dumey.

Mmm, in second thought I suppose knowing Alakazams weak defense of me is scum knowing too much requires knowing I am town, which I suppose is impossible right now which would be why nobody called him out on it.

If I get lynched and you dont casterate him for it I will not have strong feelings at all because it would be just as expected. (But still kind of disappointing)
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masterplum posted...

Mmm, in second thought I suppose knowing Alakazams weak defense of me is scum knowing too much requires knowing I am town, which I suppose is impossible right now which would be why nobody called him out on it.

If I get lynched and you dont casterate him for it I will not have strong feelings at all because it would be just as expected. (But still kind of disappointing)

Um.. If he were scum and you weren't scum with him he would know that.

What would be impossible about that logic?

masterplum posted...

Alakazams weak defense of me is scum knowing too much requires knowing I am town, which I suppose is impossible right now

*head tilt*

huh?