Board 8 > Chris Music Mafia 2: Consequences

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Zach is currently striking me more as naive town than as brownie point seeking scum.

benjamin3740 posted...

Uhhh. Guess I'll wait to hear what Zam says. The only thing running through my head since the second he claimed watcher was that he's town regardless if he's actually Watcher or not. The likelihood of which being pretty low since he has fake claimed power without fail every town game in like the last 5 or so >_>

this is a good point and everytime its kind of fucked town lol
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Funny enough I was willing to humor 2 watches because chris game

But zam peacing out sealed it fot him

Also someone on his team smart enough to tell him quit talking
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zam has fake claimed town power multiple times as town vanilla?

i mean i guess if you're trying to draw a night shot, but something makes me believe he didn't have that intent.
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Spidey senses tell me it's good ol rik

But we shall see
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Corrik's only response since the claim was to call Alakazam town and Red scum. I think he called Red scum earlier too, but did he ever say way?

Zach apologizing is plus Town points.

I have a feeling Rik got really annoyed that he drew Scum three times in a row, and that's why he's being inactive this game. Doesn't have the motivation to play it through as heavily as the last two.

Also, it would explain why he was ready to talk about the odds. Drew Scum a third time, then complained about how unlikely it was.

I felt that Sultan was Scummy, but his perspective towards later parts seemed a little Town-leaning.

I am REALLY put off by Panthera essentially only asking questions. Like, 85% of his posts are just asking questions, then usually not giving any thought to the answers he gets. I'm not even sure if he is answered most of the time - might just be asking questions then peaceing.

Lolo had the most slight Scummy perspective, so I'm feeling a bit under-neutral with IGCD coming in.

That's about as far as I've gotten so far.
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Oh damn, ninja'd with Rik talk.
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EDumey posted...

zam has fake claimed town power multiple times as town vanilla?

i mean i guess if you're trying to draw a night shot, but something makes me believe he didn't have that intent.

Alakazam in recent games has routinely hurt town by claiming fake roles or fake information. In PW Mafia he was doctor and lied about his targets so he wouldn't admit to having saved scum.

I should iso Panthera, I saw that name and realized I don't remember anything he has done.

Panthera posted...

Good morning

That Plum post may have looked odd (who scans claimed millers?) but something else crosses my mind.

##Vote: Leo

Demanding activity and pressure is fine. However, demanding activity and pressure while outright stating your vote is arbitrary and based on nothing is another matter. How, my dear Leo, do you expect to create this amazing pressure that will get reactions from Plum when you straight up tell him your vote has no conviction behind it? Strikes me as trying to look like you're doing some good town work but overplaying your hand on how you describe the process - outside of games it's cool to talk about voting people just to see what happens, but in a game it doesn't contribute to actual scum hunting to tell your target you have no real reason for voting them, because that makes them far less likely to feel pressure from it.

As far as other people go, I like Zam so far. I think I like Puns as town (though I'm not sure I buy the miller claim). Zach only posted a few times but it was enough to get me thinking he might be scum.

This post is his only major contribution to the game.

Which makes me want to ask: Why did you like Zam?

I feel good about Crescent and... kinda good about pj, atm.
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Looks like rule of 3 to me, Crescent :3
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Rule of :3
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Why would you....the...fffff

As watcher, why in the world would you counter Zam, of all people, on day 1???

Fuckin A

Not worth

unless i missed something, pj has done literally nothing other than his miller claim.
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EDumey posted...

unless i missed something, pj has done literally nothing other than his miller claim.

This is my impression as well

...isoing pj

If Zam faked his role, and is town, then we lose. Because we will lynch him, then well lynch tony, then well be two days out up getting fucked creek next to deadtownsville.

However I have respect for Zam as a player and after last game Im pretty sure everyone is in agreement the zam pass has expired

Pj has been borderline inactive and has given ~no meaningful contribution to the game.

ColZach posted...

If Zam faked his role, and is town, then we lose. Because we will lynch him, then well lynch tony, then well be two days out up getting fucked creek next to deadtownsville.

However I have respect for Zam as a player and after last game Im pretty sure everyone is in agreement the zam pass has expired

If Zam is town that lied about being watcher why in the world would we lynch Tony for it?

There is currently zero reason for us to not lynch Zam today.

Which means we might fall into inactivity creek :\

PJ didn't do anything, but he just read as inno to me. However, I seem to have misread Zam, so feel free to tell me if y'all feel differently.
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I mean if he lied about his role as Vanilla town, apologies (or any other town role in general)

ColZach posted...

If Zam faked his role, and is town, then we lose. Because we will lynch him, then well lynch tony, then well be two days out up getting fucked creek next to deadtownsville.

However I have respect for Zam as a player and after last game Im pretty sure everyone is in agreement the zam pass has expired

If Zam is town, we would lynch Tony believing he's scum.

Why did your post just imply that Tony is also town in that situation? Is that a scum slip that you know Tony is town?
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ColZach posted...

I mean if he lied about his role as Vanilla town, apologies (or any other town role in general)

Again, why would we lynch Tony? Why would scum Tony counter the watcher claim? He has no way of knowing Zam is not actually watcher in this scenario.

I guess your ninja explains what you meant. Nvm.
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EDumey posted...

I guess your ninja explains what you meant. Nvm.

He did directly imply Tony as being a mislynch if Zam were mislynched.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Pj has been borderline inactive and has given ~no meaningful contribution to the game.

What is every pj game in last 5 years alex
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Crescent-Moon posted...

ColZach posted...

I mean if he lied about his role as Vanilla town, apologies (or any other town role in general)

Again, why would we lynch Tony? Why would scum Tony counter the watcher claim? He has no way of knowing Zam is not actually watcher in this scenario.

I thought about this and have come to the conclusion that Im dumb. Unless Zam flips t own watcher we dont lynch tony. I wasnt making the connections correctly in my head and was skipping the logic of if Zam lied and IS town, that doesnt mean tony counterclaimed as scum

Wait, wasn't Han's argument against Zach earlier literally about a perspective slip about Tony's alignment? What are the odds.
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Ehhh

I get what dumey is going for there

But I'm also living in a world where I'm never lynching Tony because he is lock town

Zam would need to flip town one and only watcher there are no other watchers in the game
For me to lynch Tony
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To be clear, this slip I just pointed out, I think I understand what Zach was actually trying to say. It's just funny to me.
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I also understand what I just said was bad LOL

I do wish Zam was here to contribute but he peaced out, right? Day ends in less than 24 hours but we shouldnt waste it

ColZach posted...

I also understand what I just said was bad LOL

I do wish Zam was here to contribute but he peaced out, right? Day ends in less than 24 hours but we shouldnt waste it

I am interested in why Panthera went out of his way to say he liked Zam without giving a reason.

If there is dayvig this is your que to kill zam
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Im breaking the mold and ascending beyond my mortal powers

@Panthera

Why did you like zam?

(Plz no modkill if we decided this was against rules I did not see this decree)

turbopuns2 posted...

Why would you....the...fffff

As watcher, why in the world would you counter Zam, of all people, on day 1???

Fuckin A

Not worth

I know, it sucks. I tried to hint at it without blatantly saying it, but Scare saw right through it.

Im guessing hes scum power of some sort, so its not a bad trade off.
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EDumey posted...

Wait, wasn't Han's argument against Zach earlier literally about a perspective slip about Tony's alignment? What are the odds.

It was part of it. The part that kicked things off.

Upon rereading, I felt a lot of his posts still seemed Scummy.
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I needed to confirm Tony because otherwise zam gets zam pass today and scum may have put it together also

I also asked you to claim earliar and you didnt even look my way so it was scum or power for you anyways from my perspective so it seemed like you just coming clean was the way to go
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Games dead on a Saturday night huh
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Its been pretty active tbh

I been closing up at work which makes it more difficult to post but honestly I feel like Ive added a good amount right now

I could get into it with Han and ask why today I pinged as scum on his radar but I think I understand and I also think a Zam flip will look very good for me

Before day ends and we lynch Zam, I want to hear more from

1. TheSultanOfSlam
2. RogueNoble (Leo)
3. IfGodCouldDie
7. Mzero11
8. pjbasis
9. Corrik
13. Forceful_Dragon
14. DoubleTangicide
20. Benjamin3740
22. Town MVP eaedwards6400

Preferably on topics that are not Zam/Tony related.

I'm kind of annoyed that Leo didn't make an appearance at all today. While I get that he was trying to get things started at the beginning of the day, definitely want to hear his conclusions on his initial push.
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EDumey posted...

Wait, wasn't Han's argument against Zach earlier literally about a perspective slip about Tony's alignment? What are the odds.

He has perspective slipped as scum in two separate games so it is very possible this could be a third.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

EDumey posted...

Wait, wasn't Han's argument against Zach earlier literally about a perspective slip about Tony's alignment? What are the odds.

He has perspective slipped as scum in two separate games so it is very possible this could be a third.

Well, this is factually incorrect as Ive only been scum once...

EDumey posted...

Before day ends and we lynch Zam, I want to hear more from

How the hell am i not on this list I've basically spent most of the day asleep or at work.

ColZach posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

EDumey posted...

Wait, wasn't Han's argument against Zach earlier literally about a perspective slip about Tony's alignment? What are the odds.

He has perspective slipped as scum in two separate games so it is very possible this could be a third.

Well, this is factually incorrect as Ive only been scum once...

my bad i thought you were scum twice prior to this game, either way the perspective slips were pretty much non stop in the first game you played so i would award scum points for it. ill have to see how i feel about it when i reach that point though as i have only reached page 7 so far.
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Leafeon13N posted...

EDumey posted...

Before day ends and we lynch Zam, I want to hear more from

How the hell am i not on this list I've basically spent most of the day asleep or at work.

You were part of like 3 conversations I had in the first topic, and replied to me in the first page of this topic. I guess I thought you were keeping up pretty well when I went through the list of players.

Though now that you mention it, I don't think I know your stance on anyone this game. So thanks for pointing that out! How do you feel about stuff and things?
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Am I right in zam only vote being on dumey?

I don't recall zam voting his buddies last game so that should make dumey look good.

If I'm wrong please correct me
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Actually I want to check something else from that game so I need to do that when on comp
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Vote: Puns

i may have to double check but i think it was puns that "countered" pj's miller "claim" and there was a follow up post where it felt like he was trying to justify himself doing so.

It seems like to forgot the part where you explain why you voted

turbopuns2 posted...

to forgot

*you forgot