Board 8 > Chris Music Mafia 2: Consequences

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ScareChan posted...

Actually I want to check something else from that game so I need to do that when on comp

I'll be home soonish to start checking on the votes.

Leafeon13N posted...

ScareChan posted...

Actually I want to check something else from that game so I need to do that when on comp

I'll be home soonish to start checking on the votes.

Oh cool

If you can see who it was he messed up with the emoji battle thing. If they were both town
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The way Zam shit on me for calling plum scum (he literally said I was "crap thinking") could mean plum is town, if Zam is scum.

ScareChan posted...

Am I right in zam only vote being on dumey?

I don't recall zam voting his buddies last game so that should make dumey look good.

If I'm wrong please correct me

also this got blown up kind of quick he voted sultan at some point in the final day.
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day 3
[6] Ashe - (Corrik), (Tony), Red, (Sultan), (Zam), Scare, Chris, Zam, FA3000, Sultan, dowolf
[3] red - (Ashe), (Corrik), Corrik, Ashe, Tony, (PJ)
[1] Scare - (Sultan), PJ
[0] Sultan - (Zam)
[0] dowolf - (corrik), (Scare), (Ashe)
[0] Corrik - (Sultan)

Day 2
[5] FD - (Scare), Sultan, (Scare), (red), (Zam), Zam, Corrik, Scare, dowolf
[3] Ashe - Chris, (dowolf), red, FD
[1] pjbasis - (Scare), (Chris), Blade, (Corrik), (Scare)
[0] Fake - (FD)
[0] red - (Chris), (Scare), (Chris), (PJ), (Zam), (Scare), (Chris)
[0] Chris - (Corrik), (pjbasis), (Corrik), (Scare), (Scare)
[0] Nana/Scare - (Corrik), (Sultan), (ColZach)
[0] ColZach - (Scare), (Mzero11/Dowolf), (Zam)
[0] MZero/Dowolf - (Nana/Scare)
[0] Tony - (ColZach)
[0] Sultan - (Nana)
[0] Corrik - (Chris)

Day 1a
[4] 5tar - pjbasis, (Chris), Blade, (Plum), Nana, ColZach
[3] Nana - FA3000, (Chris), (Chris), (Plum), Ashethan, Chris
[3] Ashethan - Tony, (Sultan), Sultan, red
[1] Forceful - Zam, Corrik
[1] Zam - (FA3000), Forceful, (ColZach)
[1] Tony - ("MZero"), (Chris), (Plum), Ashethan, (pjbasis), (Sultan)
[0] FA3000 - (Nana), (Corrik)
[0] Corrik - (Zam), (pjbasis), (red)
[0] ColZach - (Chris)
[0] Chris - (ColZach)
[0] pjbasis - (Sultan), (ColZach)
[0] plum - (Corrik), (Corrik)
[0] IGCD - (Tony)
[0] red - ("MZero")

Day 1b

[5] Nana - FA3000, (Chris), (Chris), (Plum), Ashethan, Chris, Zam, 5tar
[4] 5tar - pjbasis, (Chris), Blade, (Plum), Nana, ColZach
[3] Ashethan - Tony, (Sultan), Sultan, red
[1] Zam - (FA3000), Forceful, (ColZach)
[1] Forceful - (Zam), Corrik
[1] Tony - ("MZero"), (Chris), (Plum), Ashethan, (pjbasis), (Sultan)
[0] FA3000 - (Nana), (Corrik)
[0] Corrik - (Zam), (pjbasis), (red)
[0] ColZach - (Chris)
[0] Chris - (ColZach)
[0] pjbasis - (Sultan), (ColZach)
[0] plum - (Corrik), (Corrik)
[0] IGCD - (Tony)
[0] red - ("MZero")
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Also that joke on corrik at the start of day 1 was mostly a joke, but it was still a real vote.
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I'll slog through the annoying emoji battle in a bit I want to eat dinner first.
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so apparently me "checking out" means in scum. apparently I get called for not reading the game, yet I posted that I'm working overnights. and apparently I'm such an "idiot" and a "bad player" that I have to be scum to play like that.
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ok scare i am bad and don't know where exactly the emoji thing happened.

Also this site that doesn't necessarily exist doesn't have emojis.
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It was day 2 he said emoji guys were town but then listed one of them separately right after
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Alakazamtrainer posted...

so apparently me "checking out" means in scum. apparently I get called for not reading the game, yet I posted that I'm working overnights. and apparently I'm such an "idiot" and a "bad player" that I have to be scum to play like that.

No one called you an idiot?
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Weren't the Emoji guys Zach and I?
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ScareChan posted...

Alakazamtrainer posted...

so apparently me "checking out" means in scum. apparently I get called for not reading the game, yet I posted that I'm working overnights. and apparently I'm such an "idiot" and a "bad player" that I have to be scum to play like that.

No one called you an idiot?

it's been implied several times.
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Well if someone implied it that was not nice

You tried and you got caught its mafia it happens
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Whew, home from work, and slightly before midnight at that.

And from brief skimming I see that Zam is doing stupid shit again, but is actually being held accountable, which is something I have been pushing for the last 3 games. It must be my fucking birthday (oh wait, it is! :D)

I'm not entirely clear on what insane thing he did, but I'll get to that.

I just got home and my wife made me a special dinner of ribs, so I'm gonna have a nice dinner, and I should have an hour or so available to start getting up to speed. That wont be enough time to cover the 550ish posts, but it will be a start. And then I have church and more birthday stuff tomorrow (as previously mentioned), but I'll be a productive member of society before you know it.
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Maybe Zam divined fd's post
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ScareChan posted...

Well if someone implied it that was not nice

You tried and you got caught its mafia it happens

all things considering, you were the one who told me to do it... you just couldn't me be me
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I dont know what you just said
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ScareChan posted...

It was day 2 he said emoji guys were town but then listed one of them separately right after

i don't see him talk about emojis at all using ctrl-f but its possible i missed something. Are you sure its day 2?
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Current votals are...

[6] - Alakazam - Scare, Zach, Plum, Sultan, Tony, Tange
[4] - Plum - Puns, Leo, Death, (Han), Ben
[1] - Leo - (Sultan), Panthera, (EDumey)
[1] - Zach - Han, (Tange)
[1] - FD - Corrik
[1] - Edumey - Zam
[0] - Crescent - (Scare), (Plum)
[0] - Corrik - (Scare)
[0] - Puns - (Crescent), IGCD
[0] - Han - (Crescent), (Tony)

With 22 players it takes 12 to lynch. Day ends at 10:00 PM EDT
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red13n posted...

ScareChan posted...

It was day 2 he said emoji guys were town but then listed one of them separately right after

i don't see him talk about emojis at all using ctrl-f but its possible i missed something. Are you sure its day 2?

I thought it was day 2 buti could be wrong
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@Forceful_Dragon

Happy birthday

Also Zam, your anger seems fake. I just want to throw that out there before I pass out tonight.

Ohey, a lot of pages this time

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Oh shit.

I keep meaning to bring this up inbetween games, but I really wish we would outlaw pinging people in mafia games.

Modpoking is a power I feel should be reserved for hosts.

Death, normally I have you in my ???? tier, but this game, I have you trending to one side (either the Scummish or Townish side, but I'm not telling). Do you feel that there is any particular reason I am seeing you as one way, as opposed to me usually feeling like your not particularly noticeable?

Not a clue.
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Zam uou came back but didn't defend yourself or vote Tony

Are you quitting or
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turbopuns2 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Vote: Puns

i may have to double check but i think it was puns that "countered" pj's miller "claim" and there was a follow up post where it felt like he was trying to justify himself doing so.

It seems like to forgot the part where you explain why you voted

oh, i thought it would be obvious. if you were town and making a joke why would you have to justify the existence of a miller?
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here it is, it was day 1 topic 2.

I'm debating on to drop the vote, but, I'm on FD because he's so focused on me that he isn't even looking at others.

However my random thoughts

The emoji duo: annoying but I think both are town.

Nana: I'm leaning scum only for the reason he's inactive and being pointed about little things

Zach also leaning scum, but really it's more of a gut.

I'll be on and off till eod
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And I believe the annoying emoji dudes were tony and colzach...?
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Tony used emojis in the signup topic even.

Also, scumHan is as proactive as town Han honestly, so I dont agree with people saying current Han cant be scum. (He did well enough last game to convince himself that he got hidden behind on purpose)

still catching up
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That's it yeah
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Alakazamtrainer posted...

I just love when people throw shade my way when ever they don't have any other ammo. Plum and Han are both guilty of this.

Listen I know I'm an easy target, but that still doesn't excuse the "look a squirrel" that both of them did.

He meant zach supposedly when he said han in this case
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So assuming zam is scum

Tony lock town

Han, zach, plum, dumey all very likely town
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And sultan is the only sketchy vote on him so far

Lots of info good day 1 so far
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And thank you for finding all that red

What are your thoughts of how I am seeing things
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red13n posted...

here it is, it was day 1 topic 2.

I'm debating on to drop the vote, but, I'm on FD because he's so focused on me that he isn't even looking at others.

However my random thoughts

The emoji duo: annoying but I think both are town.

Nana: I'm leaning scum only for the reason he's inactive and being pointed about little things

Zach also leaning scum, but really it's more of a gut.

I'll be on and off till eod

Wait, someone said something earlier (to I think Death), where they said they made a good point in regard to a common saying THAT PERSON was being scummy.

Was it Zam or someone else? I remember reading it and thinking it was funny, but it didnt click until reading this how obvious of a slip it is.
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It was zam to death and death pointed out it incriminated zam
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Common = comment

I cant type tonight.
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I will have to look at that one again later but that should have been early to middle topic 1
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Found it it starts post 210 topic 1
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ScareChan posted...

What are your thoughts of how I am seeing things

Zam scum, yep. Tony town, yep.

zach reminds me a bit of last game, thats good(minus the lack of emojis, thats also good).
dumey is too wishywashy, I'm not sure.
Han and plum I need to see more of.

I'm also tired and very sleepy(The digging was good to keep my mind awake, after it I started crashing hard), so I need to look at some of the rest of where we are at tomorrow.
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ScareChan posted...

So assuming zam is scum

Tony lock town

Han, zach, plum, dumey all very likely town

i disagree, zam is the perfect player to bus day 1 to help yourself look good, the only way i see him not getting used as a sacrifice is if he is a good - great power role for scum
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Oh others are suspecting Zam now?
Sounds good to me.

Not unvoting plum yet until I see whether or not he answered me though.

Aside, not a fan of Tange taking Zachs independent claim seriously.
But considering his 'distractions', I can let it slide for today.
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I would be shocked if zam is not just scum watcher

And none of the people I listed were people I said were busting him.

Han, zach, plum are the ones that were involved where he messed up saying it was auto correct and similarly last game he messed up players that were posted here in topic tjay were all town. So that's town points to all I feel

Dumey is the only guy zam voted today so also town points

In fact the only person I said is sketchy is sultan because that is a possible Bus. Especially if you go out and see how the vote went down
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htaeD posted...

Oh others are suspecting Zam now?
Sounds good to me.

Not unvoting plum yet until I see whether or not he answered me though.

Aside, not a fan of Tange taking Zachs independent claim seriously.
But considering his 'distractions', I can let it slide for today.

Zam claimed watcher and Tony counters
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Will also say that red seems pretty pro town thus far

Rik not being here since zamploded is concerning
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Also, the more zach says town is bad at lynching day1, the more I dislike him.

Bitterness about past results aside (and I was scum that one time, so I cant share his feelings entirely anyway). He sounds more angry than he did in the past.
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ScareChan posted...

htaeD posted...

Oh others are suspecting Zam now?
Sounds good to me.

Not unvoting plum yet until I see whether or not he answered me though.

Aside, not a fan of Tange taking Zachs independent claim seriously.
But considering his 'distractions', I can let it slide for today.

Zam claimed watcher and Tony counters

Oh
Well then

##Unvote
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What exactly is the thought process you guys are thinking leads a scum Zam to make that mistake that could not be something a town Zam thinks?

Before that info, I was thinking the same thing as Panthera says here.
Now I just see this as a possible defense of a scumpartner

Same with Han.

I find it interesting that both Zach and Tony, the guys I pushed as Scum, are latching onto this "can't be autocorrect, Zam is 100% Scum" line of thought.

But to be fair, this is a thought town can have had as well.

I like Scare doubling down on Zam despite the defenses.
I dont mind Crescent saying 'Zam makes bad excuses as town anyway'. But it doesnt make her townier either.

Masterplum votes Zam too, but that could be a bus at this point. Less towncredit there.
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Sultans vote is worse though.
And yeah now I see the claim and counter.

Seems clear to me. How many votes is Zam at?

Colzach staying on Zam before the counter makes me think better of him too.
Despite his logic being bad. (Given Chris' rules, you wouldnt expect much flavor with a claim anyway..though Zam could still have given a song).
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Ben and Han seem to believe it. While Crescent stays on the fence.
I am much less a fan of the latter.

Red also comes in talking like zam is just being zam. At least it appears he had a quick turnaround, based on this page.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

I just got home and my wife made me a special dinner of ribs, so I'm gonna have a nice dinner, and I should have an hour or so available to start getting up to speed.

There were some...after dinner activities as well <___<

But I'm here for the moment so I'll say what I can, while I can.

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To comment on current events:

ScareChan posted...

It was zam to death and death pointed out it incriminated zam

Yes, that was zam. But that was just a part of a large jumble of poorly organized "zam-walls" that took up the whole beginning of Topic 1, Page 5. When we get confirmation of zam's alignment I'm guessing there will be a lot of interesting things to see in there.

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Now reading topic 1 I see some miller stuff that doesn't mean a whole lot to me yet, and from there it transitions into leo's for-no-reason-plum-vote followed by a lot of discussion of leo and that vote.

And on that I'm fairly torn, because I feel like in theory, I agree with Leo in that it can be good just to go with something and see what happens. But in practice I'm not sure if it works as well as it might in theory.

The way I see it town as a whole is like a tree, and the members of town/scum are all branches on that tree. And in this analogy lynching someone is represented is snapping off a branch to see it's alignment. And in theory I think it's a very good idea to take a branch and give it a good bend. Not all the way until breaking, but enough to see some results. To see how that branch interacts with the branches near it, and how the stress on that branch affects the tree as a whole. You can get a lot of juicy reactions by taking a branch to nearly it's breaking point. But you don't want to just pick a single branch or two at random and apply meaningless pressure, and that's where I feel leo misses the mark. Maybe you start at someone at random, but you don't stop there. You bend the branch, you take stock of how everyone reacts, and you pick one of those reactions to test with the next branch. And I think in theory if we could apply REAL pressure to a half dozen people (or more) during day 1 that would give us an incredible wealth of information. We could paint a veritable taspestry of all the reactions and impressions. But in practice we end up only putting real pressure on maybe 2 people throughout the day with only the barest of stray votes on anyone else and not enough teamwork as a town to make any of that pressure significant.
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