Board 8 > Chris Music Mafia 2: Consequences

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Corrik was scum in Tiny Toons?

Dude may just be plain exhausted at this point, since he also went all the way as scum in Blade mafia.
I dont think his inactivity here says as much, though I do remember his day 1 not being very good as of late.
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He was.

He startes off by saying he's gonna play different for no reason and I questioned it but chris came in and pacified me dammittttt I was actually off to a good start
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pjbasis posted...

Lmaooo

Posts like these make me wanna wipe the smudge of my screen. But then I find out its an ugly emoji.

I admit I didn't think I'd have to personally whip every single vote. Puns, Han, Death, why didn't you actually whip votes on Plum?

I am not a whipping kind of guy. Plum still hasnt found my question I guess, or he answered it and I missed it.
Plum, what scumscan business do you recall?
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Also hey PJ

Has it been that long?
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You should never listen to Chris about Corrik.
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htaeD posted...

You should never listen to Chris about Corrik.

Especially if chris is scum too yeah
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htaeD posted...

Also hey PJ

Has it been that long?

Sorry that was just me musing about my mortality.
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Kitty woke up!

Kitty used @Panthera!

(Results incoming)

Still want my answer~

pjbasis posted...

I want to point out plum is way active here than last game.

Scum or vanilla?

Plum had out of game reasons to be distracted. You were in the game and should know this

Wait did my highlight fail shouldn't it be blue

Leo3Leo3Leo posted...

I'm really, really getting sick of driving and living in the north pole. I'm caught up now on the whole topic and a half I missed. Luckily, it doesn't seem like it mattered because I can guarantee you that Alakzam is not watcher. The CRUSADE plan would have worked better if people had done literally anything to progress it when it when I was gone. I admit I didn't think I'd have to personally whip every single vote. Puns, Han, Death, why didn't you actually whip votes on Plum? It makes it feel like your votes were entirely for show and not in support of our glorious inquisition! Something to look at tomorrow, but for now...sometimes, just sometimes, you Lynch All Liars Especially If They're Acting Scummy AF In The Same Way As Last Game Where They Were Ignored And Won As Scum,or LALEITASAITSWALGWTWIAWAS for short.

##Unvote

##Vote: Zam

Also this post kinda feels like it's trying a little too hard to care given that giant wall is... Nothing.

Reminder Alakazam is town. Red and FD are both scum.
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dont we all
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htaeD posted...

pjbasis posted...

Lmaooo

Posts like these make me wanna wipe the smudge of my screen. But then I find out its an ugly emoji.

I admit I didn't think I'd have to personally whip every single vote. Puns, Han, Death, why didn't you actually whip votes on Plum?

I am not a whipping kind of guy. Plum still hasnt found my question I guess, or he answered it and I missed it.
Plum, what scumscan business do you recall?

I dont know what you are talking about. Remind me
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Corrik posted...

Reminder Alakazam is town. Red and FD are both scum.

If alakazam flips town I am voting you post 1
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masterplum posted...

Corrik posted...

Reminder Alakazam is town. Red and FD are both scum.

If alakazam flips town I am voting you post 1

Cool he will
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Crescent-Moon posted...

Plum had out of game reasons to be distracted. You were in the game and should know this

The reasons stated didn't seem like the kind that go away after a game.
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Corrik posted...

Reminder Alakazam is town. Red and FD are both scum.

Why did you add FD?

So corrik two watchers or counterclaimer (Tony?) is lying.
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Good morning, sorry for not being around last night, was occupied. Will be gone much of this afternoon but I'll be around for a few hours before deadline.

Anyway first up since a few people have asked (and Crescent/Zach you don't need to @ me, seeing that notification always make me think I got banned or something, I'll get to questions when I have time don't worry), I thought Zam was town early on for two main reasons. First, there was a post where he asked Ben if Ben was hoping a bodyguard exists. In Puns' recent game, Zam pretty much gave away his role (role swapper, essentially) day 1 by asking people to consider the possibility that it might exist, so I thought he might just be slipping up about his role like that. Second, his big series of catch up posts seemed different than how he usually plays, but in a way I didn't expect from him as scum. It felt like he was trying to be more detail oriented and put more effort into making a case in response to the criticism people keep throwing at him for being detrimental to town, as scum I figured he'd be content to just make brief posts whose logic didn't click for anyone else and let people assume he was being his usual self. So that's why I was wrong, as for why I pointed it out, he was either around or being mentioned by other players, so he was on my mind as someone to give my read on.

Anyway, I don't like FD's catch up post last night/this morning and I would disagree with PJ saying he made similar posts as town before, while it's true in general terms (FD doesn't have much time to play so he makes walls when he's around to ensure he gets his thoughts out), his big catch up posts are usually a lot more focused on the details of the game. He's usually discussing players and their interactions to try to figure things out as town, but that post was just a tangential discourse on mafia theory that didn't really wrap around to any sort of point. Even if he doesn't have much time, he clearly did read the Leo/Plum vote train situations, and yet do you see any attempt to figure out alignments of the people involved? I would expect town FD to have some stronger opinions, frankly. That post was just "look at me, I'm posting like I usually do".

So originally I voted Leo about 90% to see where it went, 10% because his vote on Plum actually bugged me, which makes it interesting that Dumey followed along (Sultan, who voted Leo before I did...hard to say, he's new enough to not know like I do that people make it obvious their vote is purely for pressure as town sometimes). Slight point against them being scum together, I think. Anyway Leo's response has made me feel good about keeping my vote on him, his jump to seeing the people voting him as defending Plum was weak and felt too much like he was using connected events to suggest people might be scum despite knowing it wasn't really that strong. I like the melodramatic vote on Zam though, that was cute.

So I'm leaning scum on Leo/FD. Strongest town read at this point (besides Tony, since who the hell fake counter claims Zam on day 1) is Zach, I feel like I've seen his town game enough to recognize some of his habits. I like Plum and Puns too, Han as well but I've always though he's town when he's scum so I'm a bit warier about trusting that read.

Sultan, why did you ask Zam to explain what a watcher is to you instead of Tony? Did you not notice the whole discussion about the counter claim?
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Crescent-Moon posted...

Corrik posted...

Reminder Alakazam is town. Red and FD are both scum.

Why did you add FD?

My vote has been on FD all game.
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Hello Corrik, you're very trusting of the guy who was counter claimed. I'm a little rushed here so could we skip past the part where you fake claim seven times and pretend to have forgotten half the game and get to the point where you explain why you think Zam is town?
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Panthera posted...

Hello Corrik, you're very trusting of the guy who was counter claimed. I'm a little rushed here so could we skip past the part where you fake claim seven times and pretend to have forgotten half the game and get to the point where you explain why you think Zam is town?

I am not wasting my time explaining something to people who are just going to handwave it away and ignore it. He is town. You can mislynch if you want. That is your choice.
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pjbasis posted...

So corrik two watchers or counterclaimer (Tony?) is lying.

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pjbasis posted...

pjbasis posted...

So corrik two watchers or counterclaimer (Tony?) is lying.

I mean the answer to that is neither.
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Corrik, I think I can understand why you responded to FD the way you did, but why Red? You've insisted three times now on him, but never provide an explanation.

You're not saving Zam today, but maybe you can give insight on your other read.
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Zam is lying town then gotcha
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EDumey posted...

Corrik, I think I can understand why you responded to FD the way you did, but why Red? You've insisted three times now on him, but never provide an explanation.

You're not saving Zam today, but maybe you can give insight on your other read.

Read his post directly preceding the first time I said it. Red is scum as fuck. It is not even debatable.
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ColZach posted...

EDumey posted...

ColZach posted...

I asked Zam to claim
Then tony counter claimed

Its that easy

how does that have anything to do with your alignment?

Because why would scum do the actions I did?

Why would I pressure Alakazam to claim or tell Tony to counter claim?

I dont know how to explain it further so I guess if you dont think it confirms me as town, I am incorrect so I apologize

I feel like this is a very town post.
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Panthera why do you like me?

Panthera, also why do you like Plum and Han?

Corrik posted...

EDumey posted...

Corrik, I think I can understand why you responded to FD the way you did, but why Red? You've insisted three times now on him, but never provide an explanation.

You're not saving Zam today, but maybe you can give insight on your other read.

Read his post directly preceding the first time I said it. Red is scum as fuck. It is not even debatable.

Leafeon13N posted...

Also i have 0 clue how serious either of those miller claims are.

I thought they were both a joke at first and then the later posts seem only half serious if that.

You realize when you make bad arguments that we're less inclined to believe you on other arguments?
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Corrik posted...

I am not wasting my time explaining something to people who are just going to handwave it away and ignore it. He is town. You can mislynch if you want. That is your choice.

We're lynching Corrik tomorrow unless he decides to not actively work against town, guys.
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umm... why the fuck does Zam have so many votes? i just finished catching up and no one that is voting him has provided a reasonable argument for his lynch.
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EDumey posted...

Corrik posted...

EDumey posted...

Corrik, I think I can understand why you responded to FD the way you did, but why Red? You've insisted three times now on him, but never provide an explanation.

You're not saving Zam today, but maybe you can give insight on your other read.

Read his post directly preceding the first time I said it. Red is scum as fuck. It is not even debatable.

Leafeon13N posted...

Also i have 0 clue how serious either of those miller claims are.

I thought they were both a joke at first and then the later posts seem only half serious if that.

You realize when you make bad arguments that we're less inclined to believe you on other arguments?

I made zero bad arguments. It is guarranteed on that post he is scum.
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Corrik posted...

pjbasis posted...

pjbasis posted...

So corrik two watchers or counterclaimer (Tony?) is lying.

I mean the answer to that is neither.

This is the sort of post that makes you not town or scum, but guy I dont want to play mafia with
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Panthera posted...

Corrik posted...

I am not wasting my time explaining something to people who are just going to handwave it away and ignore it. He is town. You can mislynch if you want. That is your choice.

We're lynching Corrik tomorrow unless he decides to not actively work against town, guys.

Scum post.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

umm... why the fuck does Zam have so many votes? i just finished catching up and no one that is voting him has provided a reasonable argument for his lynch.

*blinks*
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

umm... why the fuck does Zam have so many votes? i just finished catching up and no one that is voting him has provided a reasonable argument for his lynch.

Are you sure you read the right topic
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It is wild that in the entire time I was not here due to yesterday's wedding that I made 4 posts and accomplished more than every single other person in this game in those posts.

And that's after a topic and a half of nonsense posting.
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masterplum posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

umm... why the fuck does Zam have so many votes? i just finished catching up and no one that is voting him has provided a reasonable argument for his lynch.

*blinks*

the counter claim never happened and his "autocorrect," while weird is not at all incriminating
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turbopuns2 posted...

Panthera why do you like me?

turbopuns2 posted...

Panthera, also why do you like Plum and Han?

For you, I like the whole miller situation after thinking about it more, unless you and PJ are both scum together I feel like as scum you'd have probably gone after him. Your posts have generally felt towny to me as well.

For Plum, it's basically that I think he's made some posts that feel like honest town mistakes, like not realizing who did the one post iso on him (it was Crescent). So trivial to get that detail right as scum that it feels genuine. I also like him saying he thinks two Watchers is possible, even if I disagree - again, as scum it's easy enough to just pick the town guy to believe and coast (this is less true if Tony is scum since then sticking by Zam would be sticking your neck out more, but I buy Tony). Plus that whole perspective slim business with Zam does look good for him if/when Zam flips scum.

For Han...it's harder to really put in words, he just feels a bit different than he did in Blade mafia and his posts seem like genuine scum hunting. I expressed misgivings on it because I've been wrong about him in the past (in Blade mafia for one, but I seem to remember it happening a couple of times back in the day too), but basically if I didn't have a history of misreading him, I'd read him as town here, so I do think he's town, I just question myself a bit more on it.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

masterplum posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

umm... why the fuck does Zam have so many votes? i just finished catching up and no one that is voting him has provided a reasonable argument for his lynch.

*blinks*

the counter claim never happened and his "autocorrect," while weird is not at all incriminating

reread page 1 of this topic
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I find Panthera's explanation on Zam acceptable.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

masterplum posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

umm... why the fuck does Zam have so many votes? i just finished catching up and no one that is voting him has provided a reasonable argument for his lynch.

*blinks*

the counter claim never happened and his "autocorrect," while weird is not at all incriminating

Um.. He was directly counterclaimed.

Panthera posted...

Plus that whole perspective slim business with Zam does look good for him if/when Zam flips scum.

wasnt the perspective slip in regards to Zach?
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Does anyone want to lynch actual scum?
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EDumey posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

masterplum posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

umm... why the fuck does Zam have so many votes? i just finished catching up and no one that is voting him has provided a reasonable argument for his lynch.

*blinks*

the counter claim never happened and his "autocorrect," while weird is not at all incriminating

reread page 1 of this topic

"oh" ok my bad, i thought i read page one of this topic when i first got replaced in, i must have just started reading from where i posted.
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Corrik posted...

Does anyone want to lynch actual scum?

ooh me, i do.

who should we lynch?
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let me just say "wow" first

2ed I am getting laterally yelled at because of something I've explained 3 different times, but apparently reading is hard for most of the people here. So let me explain it again using small words and short sententeces:

I was at work.

I worked all night.

Work has a no phone policy while we work.

I could not respond while at work.

I went to bed when I got home.

I work again tomorrow morning.

it's really sad I have to spell it out, sadly no one will probably read it. It's also sad that I actually tried and took notes, yet I got yelled at for leaving walls of text, and told i was "unorganized with my thoughts" and that what I did was "bad". So my conclusion:

Almost everyone playing is a hypocrite, they demand that I change, only to squawk like birds when I do claiming that it's "bad" and "that was just stupid."

Yet I play and no one and I mean no one even comments on what I say except to say the above things.

And, yes, I'm Mafia... but im only vanilla so I have nothing town is looking for.
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EDumey posted...

Corrik posted...

Does anyone want to lynch actual scum?

ooh me, i do.

who should we lynch?

Red or FD. Your choice which. Either is fine.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Panthera posted...

Plus that whole perspective slim business with Zam does look good for him if/when Zam flips scum.

wasnt the perspective slip in regards to Zach?

No, Plum's argument was basically that Zam defended him in a way that implied Zam had knowledge of his alignment.
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