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htaeD posted...

pjbasis posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

In fact, it'd be good to look at early Sultan and see if he made any hints at being BG.

He absolutely did.

That's why people actually buy his claim in the first place.

How is this known to you?

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How did you notice the bg tells so fast?
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I leapt at it 'cause disappearing the moment Han voted him while conveniently ignoring me probably wasn't a coincidence

This will probably be my last post for the next couple of hours at least.

This is the least fun I've ever had popping my claws out. Maybe I can scummon him with more stuff.

MZero11 posted...

I've been scum 3 times is a row... more than once ,>_>

This is like... the softest shade being thrown on Corrik, a KNOWN Town member. It would also be funny - I don't know if/what MZero was in Tiny Toons, but he was Scum in Blade mafia!

MZero11 posted... T2 P180

I don't really get where you're going with this, btw

Zam clearly wasn't entertaining a counter claim? But even if he was 1) scum can lie and counter-claim anyway and 2) there could be two watchers. So even if he was entertaining the possibility Tony was counter claiming I don't see how that's indicative

Unless I'm missing something!

This reads like a defense of Zam.
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On the other hand, Dumey seems to be Zams first real target, and he sounded like he was stretching for a reason to suspect Dumey there.

(still in topic1 btw)
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

This is the least fun I've ever had popping my claws out. Maybe I can scummon him with more stuff.

MZero11 posted...

I've been scum 3 times is a row... more than once ,>_>

This is like... the softest shade being thrown on Corrik, a KNOWN Town member. It would also be funny - I don't know if/what MZero was in Tiny Toons, but he was Scum in Blade mafia!.

Honestly, this reads like a nultell to me. Anyone would take a chance to dismiss something Corrik claimed. (being scum 3 times in a row is something I would have brought up, if Mzero hadnt. Since it happened to me once.)
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htaeD posted...

How did you notice the bg tells so fast?

I didn't notice myself, turbo pointed it out before. Start of the day I think.
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Like I said, MZero propped up Dumey to be his out in case his argument on me didn't catch on. Dumey may be the "easy lynch" that Scum are trying to latch on to. Should look at who else has been wanting to look at Dumey today.

... Crescent...
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Death, I like you bro, but you gotta play your part right, here. You are part of the cast, not the director. Read your lines, and join us for a thrilling curtain call!
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Kinda hard when you're on a different stage across the atlantic!
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We'll put you on Skype.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

This is like... the softest shade being thrown on Corrik, a KNOWN Town member. It would also be funny - I don't know if/what MZero was in Tiny Toons, but he was Scum in Blade mafia!

Mzero was Scum before being replaced by Dowolf.
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Would MZero subtly hint he rolled scum three times in a row like that?

If puns would name his entire scumteam in the first post of the game, then I believe MZero could do this.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Here, we see the Scum attempting to put suspicion on me by openly admitting his out "there was that plum thing going on", but then pretending like that completely doesn't matter. It was 100% obvious to everyone that I was just hopping on a train, and maybe 50% obvious that I was doing so to earn favor with other players to push Tony following.

Of course, the Scum pretends like it's damning to vote people without giving reasons why they think they are Scum.

how am I "admitting and out" if I'm saying it doesn't matter? That doesn't make sense. I also I never pointed to one thing as "damning" either, it's just little things adding up

Here, the Scum attempts to put suspicion on me by pretending it's Scummy to point out that the SECOND post on someone is not a bandwagon vote (even though it really was and Sultan looks kinda good for that interaction).

As I said, it's not a big deal, just a small note

Here, the Scum conveniently ignores that my vote was down on somebody, and acts as though there is no evidence, despite me being notorious (with older players at least, MZero included) for reading into tone of posts and going off of that a lot.

I already said I didn't like the plum vote in this situation over your scum read Tony, and I don't have a problem with you reading into tone, but you were using the fact that you "caught scum" to boost your image when it was far from a confirmed thing

MAJOR oof here. Guys, MZero "doesn't like" me being confident and pushy. Wow.

No, I don't like you acting like you did more than you did and using it for town credit, looks like scum trying to get approval of the town

Did I on day 1? I thought I was a little more aggressive towards him on day 2. I could be wrong there. But yeah, notice how MZero is saying it's Scummy for me to want to just throw down a vote on somebody who was the apparent target of a damning scan, and how it's EVEN SCUMMIER that I didn't just shut up and stop pursuing other angles.

It's scummy that you had a totally unnatural reaction to your scummread being scanned. You were just like "oh that's cool but Zach looks scummy" and pretty much just ignored Panth and Leo... which you actually criticized Zach for doing as well!

This is 100% a lie. If this is truly off the top of his head, well, it makes sense why he's so off-target with this statement. But presumably he put this list together and wrote it down. Why would MZero make a dumb white lie about this? That's something that Scum do - a LOT.

I will find these posts in a minute but most of that list is definitely accurate!

And of course, lastly, the Scum leaves himself an out for when his attack on me fails.

What? There's 4 scum left am I just supposed to ignore them and tunnel you? Come on man
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Guys I was playing Rocket League chill lol
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Meow. Don't have a whole lot to do yet, so wandering and cleaning mostly.

Holding to my stance in Dumey though. He has not provided adequate content, especially yesterday.

MZero11 posted...

What? There's 4 scum left am I just supposed to ignore them and tunnel you? Come on man

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You were just like "oh that's cool but Zach looks scummy" and pretty much just ignored Panth and Leo...

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

but just from my memory he has called Tony, Zach, Corrik, FD, Dumey, Panth, IGCD, red, Scare, Ben, eaed and Crescent scum at some point, that's like half the game!

This is 100% a lie. If this is truly off the top of his head, well, it makes sense why he's so off-target with this statement. But presumably he put this list together and wrote it down. Why would MZero make a dumb white lie about this? That's something that Scum do - a LOT.

Whoops, this should say "scummy", not "scum", which is different of course. I will admit that's a big mistake on my part.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Dumey's probably Scum.

Scare is defending his Scumbuddy Ben.

Also I want to lynch FD for this.

Corrik doesn't need context to make that vote. However, he should definitely do something. His play still makes me think that he is Scum for the third time in a row and just doesn't care in this game.

I was right about Panth, but I'll begrudgingly hand over credit to scarecHan.

I would also like to remind the masses that IGCD exists, and replaced Lolo, who made a few posts that were kinda scummyish.

I would accept a train on eaed.

I have a hunch IGCD is scum.

I kinda feel like red would get discouraged if his scummate imploded day 1 and day 2 started with effectively 2 scans.

Crescent I was totally wrong on (my bad), so please accept Sultan instead!

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Yeah, Sultan is 80% Scum due to giving justification for thinking someone with a scan on them is suspicious.

I don't think I need to provide evidence for Tony and Zach tbh

So as you can see, he has set himself up to jump on like 12 lynches. Even if he didn't directly say it, things like "I would accept a train on eaed" is giving yourself an easy in if his lynch takes off. Basically, what I was trying to say from the beginning is he is trying to set himself up to take advantage of any trains that take off
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

MZero11 posted...

What? There's 4 scum left am I just supposed to ignore them and tunnel you? Come on man

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You were just like "oh that's cool but Zach looks scummy" and pretty much just ignored Panth and Leo...

That's a false equivalency because I'm not ignoring you and going after Dumey >_>
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MZero, you are suggesting that I waste my time tunneling on someone with a scan on them. That's flat stupid.
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I am starting to get triggered once again by pjbasis being 2.5 days into a game without doing one single helpful or productive thing, and once again finding myself question why in the world he ever signs up for mafia.

pj do you have any thoughts on any matters related to the alignment of anyone in the game?

claimed scan* I should say
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

MZero, you are suggesting that I waste my time tunneling on someone with a scan on them. That's flat stupid.

I guess if you're incapable of focusing on more than one thing at a time, yeah

There's a place between ignore and tunnel. Not to mention there were two claimed scans anyway so we had to sort that out (until FD decided to take matters into his own hands anyway)
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

This is the least fun I've ever had popping my claws out. Maybe I can scummon him with more stuff.

MZero11 posted...

I've been scum 3 times is a row... more than once ,>_>

This is like... the softest shade being thrown on Corrik, a KNOWN Town member. It would also be funny - I don't know if/what MZero was in Tiny Toons, but he was Scum in Blade mafia!

MZero11 posted... T2 P180

I don't really get where you're going with this, btw

Zam clearly wasn't entertaining a counter claim? But even if he was 1) scum can lie and counter-claim anyway and 2) there could be two watchers. So even if he was entertaining the possibility Tony was counter claiming I don't see how that's indicative

Unless I'm missing something!

This reads like a defense of Zam.

1. No, MZero is Always Scum is a well known joke around here and I was referencing that
2. I wasn't defending Zam I just didn't get Scare's argument, there's a difference!
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MZero11 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

MZero, you are suggesting that I waste my time tunneling on someone with a scan on them. That's flat stupid.

I guess if you're incapable of focusing on more than one thing at a time, yeah

There's a place between ignore and tunnel. Not to mention there were two claimed scans anyway so we had to sort that out (until FD decided to take matters into his own hands anyway)

You're literally attacking me for not focusing on one thing at a time. We had two claimed scans - I'm not going to waste my time saying "oh gee golly look a scan on a guy I claimed was Scummy, I better waste all my time talking about why I think he's Scummy again".

I said "thanks Scare" then moved on because there's no reason for me to waste my time on it anymore. By the time any truth about those scans came out, day was already over early.
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MZero11 posted...

how am I "admitting an out" if I'm saying it doesn't matter? That doesn't make sense.

You're literally explaining why that particular point doesn't mean anything, then you act like it does. It's ridiculous.

No, I don't like you acting like you did more than you did and using it for town credit, looks like scum trying to get approval of the town

I'm being pretty hyperbolic and you think that I'm legitimately trying to convince people that's worth Town points? That's sad.

And you are STILL a liar. I didn't call all of those people Scum.

MZero, welcome to Mafia, a game where you put pressure on people and try to find Scum.
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We had two claimed scans and you didn't even mention Leo. Panth was only at 4 (Leo at 2) when you posted so it wasn't decided yet. Not only that but you didn't vote the guy you were scum reading who got a scan on him? That just doesn't make sense from a town perspective. Not only that, but you didn't vote anyone else either, so it's not like you were using your vote for anything else!

Which makes me think Panth might actually be town and you just didn't want to get your hands dirty since you thought he would get lynched without needing to pile on
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

MZero11 posted...

how am I "admitting an out" if I'm saying it doesn't matter? That doesn't make sense.

You're literally explaining why that particular point doesn't mean anything, then you act like it does. It's ridiculous.

No, I don't like you acting like you did more than you did and using it for town credit, looks like scum trying to get approval of the town

I'm being pretty hyperbolic and you think that I'm legitimately trying to convince people that's worth Town points? That's sad.

And you are STILL a liar. I didn't call all of those people Scum.

MZero, welcome to Mafia, a game where you put pressure on people and try to find Scum.

I brought it up because I assumed you would and I wanted to shoot it down in advance. It's not an out, I'm saying joining that whole plum train is not a good reason to not vote your actual scum read

when people say "what has han contributed to this game" and you say "i caught scum" it's definitely trying to get town points

I admitted that I mistyped, it should have said you called them scummy. Not a lie, just an error!

and you're not really pressuring anyone just throwing around suspicion like candy (until you contered me anyway) which is evidenced by not voting your actual scum reads outside of Zach (and now me I guess!)
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Why would I need to mention Leo?
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crap it's almost 3am I'm going to bed

good night everyone
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Answer my question first, please.
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And just for your curiousity's sake - I went to work. I didn't put a vote down because, unlike day 1, I wasn't expecting to be busy when the day ended. Votes do not spoil - you don't have to use them before they go bad.
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For the record, I did explain yesterday that I'm quite busy in the mornings and don't get a chance to post until afternoon/evening.

Also, this isn't a serious comment, but I find it hilarious that Red put me on an inactive list after I previously omitted him from one and he balked at that, saying he had done nothing yet. I guess I deserve it because I admittedly had a low post count yesterday, but it's still a funny interaction to me.

Death, I honestly was only asking about Zam there because I was trying to interact with you and make conversation while you were present. It was pretty much the only untouched part of your post. I get that you're scrutinizing it because he flipped scum, but saying I was defending him there is a bit of a stretch. Asking for a read on an unfamiliar player =/= defense.

(Hard to quote multiple posts on mobile, I'll respond to more stuff through the next couple hours as I'm working)
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Trying to respond to things in somewhat of an order.

ScareChan posted...

Oh I forgot I got the Rik meme going

Rik in peace corrik

i knew u were fugfin memeing me.

ScareChan posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Ooh I got votes

Curiously neither of them so much as either commented on anything I had actually said and focused on the most trivial sentence.

Scare conjuring up a reason to vote me while ignoring my content is a pretty big red flag

See Scare I can do it too~

oh yeah I forgot crescent came at me with an attitude too. This post in paticular felt a lot like ruffled scum

Scare I like your wall of posts mostly. I think it's a decent read of Sam's wall. I do worry that you've tunnelled a bit on Crescent though. Panthera yesterday complained that you came into the day dead set on trapping him, and you accomplished that. The bias you've had on Crescent feels the same way. I'm not sure I read into the defensiveness the same way as you are.

Of course, it may be that Panthera is scum still and you're a god of riling people up. In that case well done, but the jury is still out.
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EDumey posted...

I think it's a decent read of Sam's wall

See Zam, this is how you auto correct.
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Can't say much right now, but Scare tunneling me is normal for scare so it's pretty null to me.

Didn't really have anything to do with alignment on either side. Just that I feel your defensiveness isn't that telling. Even moreso if it's true Scare has precedent with you.

I'll have to ISO you Crescent to get an actual opinion on you yourself. I feel like you interacted with me a lot on Day 1 just posting about the game, but not much about people.

As far as Sultan goes, I don't buy his BG claim. I am a LITTLE bit wary because claiming second BG is a bit odd, rather than a different role, and he was preempting it yesterday. But scum often set up their fake claims early so they don't get panic later, so that's a null tell. Feeling Sultan is a lie.
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Finally, I guess I should address the pressure on me. It feels really weird. I try not to be biased and think people are scummy just for suspecting me, but it definitely feels opportunistic. I was fairly active day 1, and was busy for most of our short day 2. It feels like someone on the scum board identifies me as a possible misdirect and now someone is jumping on.

I feel more about this because of Corrik putting me onto his short list. He listed FD and Red, and posted reasonings (amounting to personality reads of how they ought to play as town), but he added me when I was challenging him and then NEVER extrapolated on that.

After this, I showed up on multiple people's "possible scum" alongside FD and Red. I know Corrik is a good player and people respect his reads, but I think its interesting to see how it's influenced people, whether they intend to parrot him or not.

So the order of events is:

Corrik puts me on short list.
I'm mentioned on other people's suspicions.
I have a mostly inactive Day 2.
Corrik flips town.
Opportunity arises.

Again, I don't think everyone on me is scummy. I didn't post much Day 2 so talk about that is justified, and I'll try to keep more active in the evening after work. But I definitely feel like some of the suspicion thrown my way is opportunistic and not town. Leaning toward MZero on that at the moment.
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EDumey posted...

Trying to respond to things in somewhat of an order.

ScareChan posted...

Oh I forgot I got the Rik meme going

Rik in peace corrik

i knew u were fugfin memeing me.

ScareChan posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

Ooh I got votes

Curiously neither of them so much as either commented on anything I had actually said and focused on the most trivial sentence.

Scare conjuring up a reason to vote me while ignoring my content is a pretty big red flag

See Scare I can do it too~

oh yeah I forgot crescent came at me with an attitude too. This post in paticular felt a lot like ruffled scum

Scare I like your wall of posts mostly. I think it's a decent read of Sam's wall. I do worry that you've tunnelled a bit on Crescent though. Panthera yesterday complained that you came into the day dead set on trapping him, and you accomplished that. The bias you've had on Crescent feels the same way. I'm not sure I read into the defensiveness the same way as you are.

Of course, it may be that Panthera is scum still and you're a god of riling people up. In that case well done, but the jury is still out.

Day 3 is crescents tipping point. You either see she is town or she cracks as scum. It's why I asked for pressure on her today
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Like I said, MZero propped up Dumey to be his out in case his argument on me didn't catch on. Dumey may be the "easy lynch" that Scum are trying to latch on to. Should look at who else has been wanting to look at Dumey today.

... Crescent...

Oh Han said what I did but in less words. Apparently I missed this post.
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I have a lot to catch up with. As far on my skim I really have no clue wtf is up with Panth? How many fake claims did we get?

Ugh the second bodyguard claim with the setup that preceded it smells like bullshit to me at a glance.

Wont have time to sit down with the game til later though.

And to be honest the panth thing I was willing to give up but his reactions all felt very scummy to me at every turn. I threw out a worm and the big mouth bass choked on it
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I feel like 70% of Crescent's content has been calling out people who aren't here. But I did think she made a valid argument for Eaed, even if that's turned out different.

Since you're basing pressure on a personality I'm not familiar with, does she often crusade for the inactives? Keeping a wary eye on them is good, since there's almost always a scum lurking there, but focusing mostly on that is a real easy way to fake content.
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Here's the thing

Corrik is confirmed
There is for sure a jack in the game, it's just between panth and plum
Fd is confirmed
Eaed is basically confirmed

Fd i think counts as half protection and confirms himself or someone else
If panth is jack he has a full doc save and confirm himself and another person

So that's potentially 3 confirmed people, a jailkeeper, a body guard, a watcher and the Mason pair can save one of them in theory

Scum have at least roleblocker and detective, but apparently no extra kill

I feel lack of extra kill with 3 confirmable roles is too much
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And I voiced concerns about mechanically how 2 bg would work. 2 protection dieing to 1 shot is brutal
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Maybe that's the risk associated with having a lot of protection? Potential to double lose if they Meta their actions wrong? Three straight up protective roles in Janitor/BG/BG with an extra protect in Jack save?

It may be that scum extra kill was blocked and that's why it seems imbalanced, but I strongly believe one of those protection claims can't be. I don't like Sultan's claim, but MAYBE the risk is balanced with Panth being scum.
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That's what im saying it has to be one of sultan or panth
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Scare is still trying to mislynch me...
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Idk if scare can be trusted.
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