Board 8 > Sir Chris Music Mafia 5: Play that song....all night looong!

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Well I was actually almost right night 1... I was between 3 people plum panth and eaed.

I figured scum will probably kill someone super random.

Day 1 panthe really didn't give me alot ti think they where scum

Eaed would have probably be the obvious one to lynch because it literally says town mvp

And i didn't like plum was actually give them any thing to kill him on

So it left panthe... I should have went plum...
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So you didnt think about Tony or Corrik? Even just in case?
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htaeD posted...

Immediate future plan thoughts

Have Sultan BG Panth, who recruits someone we designate, while Tony watches one of the two.
RB and scumkill cant cover all angles there.

Then again, its probably too good to be true.

Ed dies in this scenario.
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htaeD posted...

So you didnt think about Tony or Corrik? Even just in case?

Corrik threw me off because he played the same exact way he did in tiny toons and still want 100% sure on the same role thing so that's why i didn't go for corrik night 2.

Tony was in my consideration but I figured they would go for revenge on FD probably not the best logic I guess
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##Unvote

And panth gets roleblocked. We get no new information.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

htaeD posted...

So you didnt think about Tony or Corrik? Even just in case?

Corrik threw me off because he played the same exact way he did in tiny toons and still want 100% sure on the same role thing so that's why i didn't go for corrik night 2.

Tony was in my consideration but I figured they would go for revenge on FD probably not the best logic I guess

Fd is essentially vanilla now so they would want to kill power.
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I'm a little suspicious of red because throwing me on his list of inactive when I posted more then he did yesterday...
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

htaeD posted...

Immediate future plan thoughts

Have Sultan BG Panth, who recruits someone we designate, while Tony watches one of the two.
RB and scumkill cant cover all angles there.

Then again, its probably too good to be true.

Ed dies in this scenario.

Right.
Well Ed probably dies in a lot of scenarios.
Good chance scum tried to kill him last night and Corrik blocked the shot.
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

And panth gets roleblocked. We get no new information.

We'd still get Tony's watch.

Meh, its just a thought anyway. No need to jump all over it.
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If there is somehow still yet another town protection out there who is holding back their claim, now is the time to come forward

Oh that's how lawyer works it's a one and done i didn't know that someone will have to post a topic explaining roles after this game is over... because it's hard to catch on the fly
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Well if we do let you live, then you're gonna have to guard from our pool of choices from now on.
No more of this 'I wanted to be unpredictable' stuff.
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There is a pretty decent mafiascum wiki.
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Well htaed that's if they let me live as well..
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htaeD posted...

There is a pretty decent mafiascum wiki.

I will have to look that up
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htaeD posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

And panth gets roleblocked. We get no new information.

We'd still get Tony's watch.

Meh, its just a thought anyway. No need to jump all over it.

I'm not. Just throwing out things to discuss along with the idea. It's not a bad plan.
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Random thoughts
Not sure if Han would connect with Leo right out of the gate when Puns and his Plumtrain starts.
I was on it, but he couldnt have seen my vote when he made his. So it would be a risk to take.
Han leaning away from scum there.

Sultan immediately voting Leo for 'a bandwagon vote' is the exact opposite stance. And probably very interesting. But I dont know what to make of it yet. It needs to stew.
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##Unvote
##Vote:Red
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

htaeD posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

And panth gets roleblocked. We get no new information.

We'd still get Tony's watch.

Meh, its just a thought anyway. No need to jump all over it.

I'm not. Just throwing out things to discuss along with the idea. It's not a bad plan.

You made me see it wasnt fullproof though!
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Did Sultan at any point in the last game, vote or bus his teammates?
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

##Unvote
##Vote:Red

Can I hear the reasoning
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htaeD posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

htaeD posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

And panth gets roleblocked. We get no new information.

We'd still get Tony's watch.

Meh, its just a thought anyway. No need to jump all over it.

I'm not. Just throwing out things to discuss along with the idea. It's not a bad plan.

You made me see it wasnt fullproof though!

Well it's hard to make foolproof plans when we dont know everything. If anything we could force a mass claim and work from that. My only hesitation on that is we might still have information out there that I dont want to out.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

##Unvote
##Vote:Red

Can I hear the reasoning

He's scum and I think keeping you alive to enact deaths plan isnt a bad idea.
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2 Bodyguards and 2 Jack of All Trades has my head at like a 90 degree angle.

Also,
red13n posted...

(6)
4. ColZach
10. ChaosTonyV4
11. turbopuns2
13. Forceful_Dragon
19. ScareChan
22. Town MVP eaedwards6400

How is Zach and puns confirmed? puns used a bluff and I don't recall anything important coming from Zach. (Also, Scare was bluffing too apparently? I didn't see that one.)
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Didnt expect to come back to yet another protection claim.

Lets try and get these claims straight:

N1
Corrik -> Eaed
Eaed -> Corrik
Panth -> Me
Sultan -> Panth

N2

Corrik -> ?
Eaed -> Panth
Panth -> Did Panth Say who they targeted?
Sultan -> FD

Is there another claim im missing?
Do any of those seem like they stopped a kill? Because that seems like a lot of protection in a game where we havent had a single extra kill.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

2 Bodyguards and 2 Jack of All Trades has my head at like a 90 degree angle.

Also,
red13n posted...

(6)
4. ColZach
10. ChaosTonyV4
11. turbopuns2
13. Forceful_Dragon
19. ScareChan
22. Town MVP eaedwards6400

How is Zach and puns confirmed? puns used a bluff and I don't recall anything important coming from Zach. (Also, Scare was bluffing too apparently? I didn't see that one.)

Puns used a bluff to destroy scum Detective, and could have rescinded it much sooner if it was just a soft play. Hes Town.

As for Zach, I still hate all the confirmed talk surrounding him. (Before someone says it: What he did doesnt approach what Puns did)
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Didnt expect to come back to yet another protection claim.

Lets try and get these claims straight:

N1
Corrik -> Eaed
Eaed -> Corrik
Panth -> Me
Sultan -> Panth

N2

Corrik -> ?
Eaed -> Panth
Panth -> Did Panth Say who they targeted?
Sultan -> FD

Is there another claim im missing?
Do any of those seem like they stopped a kill? Because that seems like a lot of protection in a game where we havent had a single extra kill.

You think the extra kill of their is one will come tonight since they killed on of the bg?
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we only have one jack, dont we?
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I'm not really a jack

I didnt think I had to say that again
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I have issues with 2 bodyguards mechanically
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And all the talk of 2 was yesterday but corrik was outright asking mechnocal questions on bg day 1
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Who guards the bodyguards
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Scum probably tried to kill corrik thinking he was doctor
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Night 1
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So scare what are you if you arent jack?
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I think Scare earned the right to not have to tell us.
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Honestly, red putting Scare on a confirmed list is alarming

htaeD posted...

I think Scare earned the right to not have to tell us.

Uh, I don't. Scare isn't trustworthy prior to a Panth flip

Though I do agree with red being suspicious
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turbopuns2 posted...

htaeD posted...

I think Scare earned the right to not have to tell us.

Uh, I don't. Scare isn't trustworthy prior to a Panth flip

This is a good point as well
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turbopuns2 posted...

htaeD posted...

I think Scare earned the right to not have to tell us.

Uh, I don't. Scare isn't trustworthy prior to a Panth flip

Fair. But I dont think that translates into needing to claim either.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

turbopuns2 posted...

htaeD posted...

I think Scare earned the right to not have to tell us.

Uh, I don't. Scare isn't trustworthy prior to a Panth flip

This is a good point as well

Why is that a good point?
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Let's make PJ claim

##Vote: pj

Do something ya goof

Also given that Panth and Sultan joint-countervoted Leo, I dont think they'd be scum together as well.
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MZero11 posted...

Panthera posted...

Why Han in particular?

Off the top of my head, he has gone after Corrik, Tony, FD, and Zach, 3 town power and 1 'confirmed' according to red but idk about that! But it's unsettling for a player of his caliber

Do we still lynch all liars? I did not go after FD.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I strongly feel that IGCD is probable Scum

Thanks for providing reasons for this, makes your opinion very validated.

IGCD confirmed Scum!

Anyway, while I am not sold on Panthera in the slightest, we can give him a night. That being said, Scum could have a Mason Recruiter, no? There's not really anything fundamentally busted about that, is there? With our time remaining... I'm not sure there's much worth in giving Panth extra time.

Is there any reason for us to consider that two Bodyguards is the truth? If we truly have the amount of mislynches Red has pushed forward, then it's possible that we do have two BG's, because since they're soft-protection, Scum at least still gets a kill, with the possibility of a bonus kill if both target the same person (I would assume this is how stacking BG's work). Mechanically it's weird, but you can easily determine what the results would be with stacking BG's, looping BG's, etc...

As far as Zach goes (since I think MZero asked?), he has had many places where he has felt like Scum to me, but my gut sometimes confuses Scum for newer players. I vividly remember getting into fights with Colonel Alloy in his first game due to pinging him as Scum and being wrong. That said, I also have enough confidence in Zach as a player to bus Zam without mercy. I'll double check, but if Zach didn't push Zam on the auto-correct thing until AFTER a few people said something, then it's very possible he saw the signs and wanted to hop on early for Town points.

Red should totally die today, tho
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All ninjas all the time

I dont know are we being too trustworthy of scare?
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Alright here's my musings on Han

He comes in and votes plum, while calling Tony scum for his "check-in post". Yet he doesn't actually vote Tony. I get there was that plum thing going on but if you think you caught scum why are you voting plum (he gave no reasons for think plum was scum either). At one point Sultan attacks Leo for a bandwagon vote, which Han feels the need to come to his defense and say it's not a bandwagon vote (not damning but worth a note)

He proceeds to parade around that he "caught" Scum Tony despite no evidence and Tony not even posting (and he's still not voting him). Then Zach calls him out and he makes a bad argument on Zach "perspective slipping" that he knew Tony was scum. Then he parades around that he's caught two scum (don't like this by the way) before finally voting Zach. He defends Zam and calls him town until Tony counter-claims at which point Zam is dead to rights anyway. He votes Zam and that was his most recent vote to date

He butted heads pretty hard with Panth Day 1, but when he arrived Day 2 he said something about being right about Panth but giving credit to Scare... but he didn't vote Panth, instead attacking Zach yet again. Now that Tony is basically confirmed town, he drops the perspective slip thing but still pushes Zach for "scummy" posts at the beginning of the day, which unless I missed it he doesn't elaborate on. Then he asks other players what they think of Zach, like he wants them to make his argument for him

Basically Han has been calling A LOT of players scummy but hasn't really pushed it with his vote. He's only voted 3 times (one of which was joining the baseless plum train and another on a doomed zam), but just from my memory he has called Tony, Zach, Corrik, FD, Dumey, Panth, IGCD, red, Scare, Ben, eaed and Crescent scum at some point, that's like half the game! He seems way to eager to call people scum but not actually use his vote, like he's keeping his options open to hop on whatever train takes off with ease.

Speaking of Dumey does he still exist?

ANYWAY
##Vote: Han

I haven't liked his voting record or his claiming to have caught scum when he didn't to make himself look good. I also think he's been tunneling Zach pretty hard for not really deep reasons, and his reads don't seem genuine based on his reactions and lack of voting his reads
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MZero, I hate to sound like Corrik, but you really should try reading the game.
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