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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Do we still lynch all liars? I did not go after FD.

I mean you said "I want to lynch FD" so you kinda did... maybe "go after" is too strong but yeah
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turbopuns2 posted...

Honestly, red putting Scare on a confirmed list is alarming

Is it normal for Red to call so many people confirmed? Don't know him enough to know the answer to this.

I am "ok" with Sultan's claim for now, but I can't remember if he answered why he was seemed so afraid to vote, especially after his Panthera comment to start the day.

Crescent-Moon posted...

turbopuns2 posted...

Honestly, red putting Scare on a confirmed list is alarming

Is it normal for Red to call so many people confirmed? Don't know him enough to know the answer to this.

I am "ok" with Sultan's claim for now, but I can't remember if he answered why he was seemed so afraid to vote, especially after his Panthera comment to start the day.

I did exaplain it in my claim I believe
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MZero, I'm not going to sit here and explain to you the difference between "this person is Scummy" "I am worried about these people" and "I want to lynch x". Those are all different statements and if you can't tell the difference between them then you shouldn't be trying to push lynches.
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Mm just a reminder.. Starting about an hour and a half from now, my activity is going to be spotty until Friday night. I have to be out by 8am on Friday after getting home at 10:30pm if I'm lucky today, probably not even going to show up tonight.

Hi MZero, welcome to the game.

Honestly, red's list just feels very lazy to me. Like I said before, if Scum were to find themselves with 3 members dead to rights during day 2, then I believe red would get very bummed out about it.

We don't know Panth's alignment yet, but even having two Scum caught might be enough to tilt a Scum red.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

turbopuns2 posted...

Honestly, red putting Scare on a confirmed list is alarming

Is it normal for Red to call so many people confirmed? Don't know him enough to know the answer to this.

I am "ok" with Sultan's claim for now, but I can't remember if he answered why he was seemed so afraid to vote, especially after his Panthera comment to start the day.

I did exaplain it in my claim I believe

Mm ok, I was probably more focused on the claim itself and I'm not totally awake. I like the quick answer though.

Noting EDumey being oddly defensive of Zam here

EDumey posted...

Death. Panthera said he likes Zam, and obviously because he's on the Leo vote with me, that means he has good taste.

You voted for Plum and said you didn't like Zam.

What's the Zam mountain you referenced?

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Honestly, red's list just feels very lazy to me. Like I said before, if Scum were to find themselves with 3 members dead to rights during day 2, then I believe red would get very bummed out about it.

We don't know Panth's alignment yet, but even having two Scum caught might be enough to tilt a Scum red.

Probably depends on the team and their future outlook. In PW Mafia we had 4 straight scumlynches to start the game, but my team still had the tools to win and wasn't panicking.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

MZero, I'm not going to sit here and explain to you the difference between "this person is Scummy" "I am worried about these people" and "I want to lynch x". Those are all different statements and if you can't tell the difference between them then you shouldn't be trying to push lynches.

they're are different degrees of the same idea, yeah. Regardless that's not really the point

Why didn't you ever vote Tony or Panth?
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htaeD posted...

Noting EDumey being oddly defensive of Zam here

EDumey posted...

Death. Panthera said he likes Zam, and obviously because he's on the Leo vote with me, that means he has good taste.

You voted for Plum and said you didn't like Zam.

What's the Zam mountain you referenced?

I feel like you'll find more than that one.

But one of the problems I have with him is he almost totally no showed yesterday. I don't remember one thing he said and he was barely around to begin with.

MZero11 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

MZero, I'm not going to sit here and explain to you the difference between "this person is Scummy" "I am worried about these people" and "I want to lynch x". Those are all different statements and if you can't tell the difference between them then you shouldn't be trying to push lynches.

they're are different degrees of the same idea, yeah. Regardless that's not really the point

Why didn't you ever vote Tony or Panth?

This is where a difference from PW Mafia surfaces. In that game Han kept calling Shad scum for no reason and voting him, but not really trying to push him at all. It was just laziness. He sat with votes in Shad that did nothing for so long.

In this game he hinged on Tony being scum for ~no reason, but he didn't vote railroad him and tried to push his point on him on to others.

There is a bit less rashness and a bit more proactivity to this Han than PW Han.

I'm going to make this vote because I think he is suspicious and would like to hear more about his lazy list and get more detail on him thought process

##vote Red
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Crescent-Moon posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Honestly, red's list just feels very lazy to me. Like I said before, if Scum were to find themselves with 3 members dead to rights during day 2, then I believe red would get very bummed out about it.

We don't know Panth's alignment yet, but even having two Scum caught might be enough to tilt a Scum red.

Probably depends on the team and their future outlook. In PW Mafia we had 4 straight scumlynches to start the game, but my team still had the tools to win and wasn't panicking.

"my team"

MZero11 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

MZero, I'm not going to sit here and explain to you the difference between "this person is Scummy" "I am worried about these people" and "I want to lynch x". Those are all different statements and if you can't tell the difference between them then you shouldn't be trying to push lynches.

they're are different degrees of the same idea, yeah. Regardless that's not really the point

Why didn't you ever vote Tony or Panth?

Why didn't you ever post anything of substance before now? Is Scum being down two members motivating you to actually post instead of just hiding out the game? Sure feels a lot like Blade mafia in that regard.

If you ACTUALLY read my posts from the past few days, you would know the answer to your question about voting.

Here's the thing MZero - my lynch is never pushed for when I am Town. Because when Scum try to put suspicion on me, the claws come out, and the Scum die.

Claws are coming out buddy.
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Ooh claws. I really don't like having to use my claws. They primarily come out in self defense.

Crescent-Moon posted...

MZero11 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

MZero, I'm not going to sit here and explain to you the difference between "this person is Scummy" "I am worried about these people" and "I want to lynch x". Those are all different statements and if you can't tell the difference between them then you shouldn't be trying to push lynches.

they're are different degrees of the same idea, yeah. Regardless that's not really the point

Why didn't you ever vote Tony or Panth?

This is where a difference from PW Mafia surfaces. In that game Han kept calling Shad scum for no reason and voting him, but not really trying to push him at all. It was just laziness. He sat with votes in Shad that did nothing for so long.

In this game he hinged on Tony being scum for ~no reason, but he didn't vote railroad him and tried to push his point on him on to others.

There is a bit less rashness and a bit more proactivity to this Han than PW Han.

Was he scum that game? I wasn't in it
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I'm going to make this vote because I think he is suspicious and would like to hear more about his lazy list and get more detail on him thought process

##vote Red

You need the colon after the word vote

MZero11 posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

MZero11 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

MZero, I'm not going to sit here and explain to you the difference between "this person is Scummy" "I am worried about these people" and "I want to lynch x". Those are all different statements and if you can't tell the difference between them then you shouldn't be trying to push lynches.

they're are different degrees of the same idea, yeah. Regardless that's not really the point

Why didn't you ever vote Tony or Panth?

This is where a difference from PW Mafia surfaces. In that game Han kept calling Shad scum for no reason and voting him, but not really trying to push him at all. It was just laziness. He sat with votes in Shad that did nothing for so long.

In this game he hinged on Tony being scum for ~no reason, but he didn't vote railroad him and tried to push his point on him on to others.

There is a bit less rashness and a bit more proactivity to this Han than PW Han.

Was he scum that game? I wasn't in it

He was. His early behavior this game exhibited some similar traits (which is why I voted him early), but over time there's been some distinctions. PW Han was simply a lazier player.

Crescent-Moon posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I'm going to make this vote because I think he is suspicious and would like to hear more about his lazy list and get more detail on him thought process

##vote Red

You need the colon after the word vote

Dammit I though i did

Vote:Red
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I'm going to make this vote because I think he is suspicious and would like to hear more about his lazy list and get more detail on him thought process

##vote Red

You need the colon after the word vote

Dammit I though i did

Vote:Red

Lol one more time, dude
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Why didn't you ever post anything of substance before now? Is Scum being down two members motivating you to actually post instead of just hiding out the game? Sure feels a lot like Blade mafia in that regard.

If you ACTUALLY read my posts from the past few days, you would know the answer to your question about voting.

Here's the thing MZero - my lynch is never pushed for when I am Town. Because when Scum try to put suspicion on me, the claws come out, and the Scum die.

Claws are coming out buddy.

I mean i answered your question is this topic so why don't you read my posts?

And I literally just read all your posts unless you used an alt >_>

Bring out your claws if you want tbh it won't end well for you regardless!
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I'm going to make this vote because I think he is suspicious and would like to hear more about his lazy list and get more detail on him thought process

##vote Red

You need the colon after the word vote

Dammit I though i did

Vote:Red

Lol one more time, dude

...I giggled.

Omg grrr

##vote: RED

Wtf!
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htaeD posted...

BTw PJ, when you get back here its really important that you tell us if you are actually a miller.

Yes, and why
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MZero11 posted...

He comes in and votes plum, while calling Tony scum for his "check-in post". Yet he doesn't actually vote Tony. I get there was that plum thing going on but if you think you caught scum why are you voting plum (he gave no reasons for think plum was scum either).

Here, we see the Scum attempting to put suspicion on me by openly admitting his out "there was that plum thing going on", but then pretending like that completely doesn't matter. It was 100% obvious to everyone that I was just hopping on a train, and maybe 50% obvious that I was doing so to earn favor with other players to push Tony following.

Of course, the Scum pretends like it's damning to vote people without giving reasons why they think they are Scum.

At one point Sultan attacks Leo for a bandwagon vote, which Han feels the need to come to his defense and say it's not a bandwagon vote (not damning but worth a note)

Here, the Scum attempts to put suspicion on me by pretending it's Scummy to point out that the SECOND post on someone is not a bandwagon vote (even though it really was and Sultan looks kinda good for that interaction).

He proceeds to parade around that he "caught" Scum Tony despite no evidence and Tony not even posting (and he's still not voting him).

Here, the Scum conveniently ignores that my vote was down on somebody, and acts as though there is no evidence, despite me being notorious (with older players at least, MZero included) for reading into tone of posts and going off of that a lot.

Then Zach calls him out and he makes a bad argument on Zach "perspective slipping" that he knew Tony was scum.

Scum like to call arguments bad to try to convince people.

Then he parades around that he's caught two scum (don't like this by the way)

MAJOR oof here. Guys, MZero "doesn't like" me being confident and pushy. Wow.

before finally voting Zach. He defends Zam and calls him town until Tony counter-claims at which point Zam is dead to rights anyway. He votes Zam and that was his most recent vote to date

Yeah I was really wrong on Zam.

He butted heads pretty hard with Panth Day 1, but when he arrived Day 2 he said something about being right about Panth but giving credit to Scare... but he didn't vote Panth, instead attacking Zach yet again.

Did I on day 1? I thought I was a little more aggressive towards him on day 2. I could be wrong there. But yeah, notice how MZero is saying it's Scummy for me to want to just throw down a vote on somebody who was the apparent target of a damning scan, and how it's EVEN SCUMMIER that I didn't just shut up and stop pursuing other angles.
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Now that Tony is basically confirmed town, he drops the perspective slip thing but still pushes Zach for "scummy" posts at the beginning of the day, which unless I missed it he doesn't elaborate on. Then he asks other players what they think of Zach, like he wants them to make his argument for him

Tony and Zach aren't inherently related by any means. The one link I had on them, I dropped, but heck, let me go read up on that one again.

Anyway, here you will see the Scum directly ignoring something I explained. If MZero was truly Town Scumhunting here, he would have looked at all of the evidence and come to a conclusion based on it... he's NOT. He's ignoring pieces of what I said because those pieces hurt the case against me. He's trying to present me as a lynch - NOT trying to find Scum.

Basically Han has been calling A LOT of players scummy but hasn't really pushed it with his vote. He's only voted 3 times (one of which was joining the baseless plum train and another on a doomed zam),

Scum here pretends that voting is the only way to play this game. If voting is all we do, then why did you type out all of these words, MZero?

but just from my memory he has called Tony, Zach, Corrik, FD, Dumey, Panth, IGCD, red, Scare, Ben, eaed and Crescent scum at some point, that's like half the game!

This is 100% a lie. If this is truly off the top of his head, well, it makes sense why he's so off-target with this statement. But presumably he put this list together and wrote it down. Why would MZero make a dumb white lie about this? That's something that Scum do - a LOT.

He seems way to eager to call people scum but not actually use his vote, like he's keeping his options open to hop on whatever train takes off with ease.

Here, the Scum pretends that Town don't use their votes for the benefit of Town, not just themselves.

Speaking of Dumey does he still exist?

And of course, lastly, the Scum leaves himself an out for when his attack on me fails.

ANYWAY
##Vote: Han

I haven't liked his voting record or his claiming to have caught scum when he didn't to make himself look good. I also think he's been tunneling Zach pretty hard for not really deep reasons, and his reads don't seem genuine based on his reactions and lack of voting his reads

And a tl;dr which is really unnecessary considering he just put together this whole argument, and it feels oohhhhhhh so fabricated. "Not really deep reasons" lol

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you - Scum.

##Vote: MZero

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/aceattorney/images/5/52/Edgeworth-bow%28a%29.gif/revision/latest?cb=20130111090204
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That might have summed up every post he has made the entire game.

It would be pretty insane if someone threw suspicion on that many people in one day, though.

MZero sounded unusually confident in his last post though about you being scum, I'd like to hear if he has more to his argument.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

MZero, I hate to sound like Corrik, but you really should try reading the game.

If you were to sound like Corrik you would say "reading the fucking game. It's called reading fucking comprehension"
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eaedwards6400 posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

MZero, I hate to sound like Corrik, but you really should try reading the game.

If you were to sound like Corrik you would say "reading the fucking game. It's called reading fucking comprehension"

This made me laugh
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Corrik doesn't really curse.
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And I just realized I'm going to need to charge my phone before I go.

Before I do though, I do think Red/EDumey are both worth a closer look. I'd probably prefer to look at Dumey first though. His only significant achievement is defending Alakazam and he was borderline useless yesterday.

Since I have no guarantee how my upcoming activity will be (if things are busy I won't find any time to post), I'll just get it out of the way early.

##Vote: EDumey

Provide us with some content. Who do you even think is what right now? You rode the sidelines too much yesterday for my liking.

Crescent-Moon posted...

That might have summed up every post he has made the entire game.

Is this in relation to me and my posts?
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

That might have summed up every post he has made the entire game.

Is this in relation to me and my posts?

I'm talking about MZero, who has been such a nonpresence that I can only vaguely recall anything he has ever posted.

Ok.

Well part 2 of claws out balls out is digging up the dirt, throwing that on top, and seeing if he drowns.

Might not need to, I think he tucked tail and ran already!
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Hmmmm

Han makes a very compelling argument

##Vote: Mzero

Id be interested in hearing his response
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

MZero, I'm not going to sit here and explain to you the difference between "this person is Scummy" "I am worried about these people" and "I want to lynch x". Those are all different statements and if you can't tell the difference between them then you shouldn't be trying to push lynches.

Then explain it for the rest of us because this post is just, "I refuse to make content for people to analyze."
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People should stop thinking about PW Mafia han and remember Blade Mafia Han. He was a lot more mellow there compared to PW Mafia. (Granted he got outed night1 by a hider)

Here's the thing MZero - my lynch is never pushed for when I am Town. Because when Scum try to put suspicion on me, the claws come out, and the Scum die.

I will admit this is different from how I remember you being in Blade Mafia though. But I dont like this kind of confidence.

pjbasis posted...

htaeD posted...

BTw PJ, when you get back here its really important that you tell us if you are actually a miller.

Yes, and why

Because a cop may still be out there. Also to have all info around Zams reaction.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Ok.

Well part 2 of claws out balls out is digging up the dirt, throwing that on top, and seeing if he drowns.

Might not need to, I think he tucked tail and ran already!

Actually he might've. I didn't feel the need to pressure vote him since he was already here, but...

##Unvote
##Vote: MZero

Pretty sure I was asking you to say why you seemed pretty confident on Han, and you vanished as soon as he voted you?

No vanishing.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

MZero, I'm not going to sit here and explain to you the difference between "this person is Scummy" "I am worried about these people" and "I want to lynch x". Those are all different statements and if you can't tell the difference between them then you shouldn't be trying to push lynches.

Then explain it for the rest of us because this post is just, "I refuse to make content for people to analyze."

Reminder that IGCD is likely Scum.

Anyway, saying someone "looks Scummy" means "the way this person has posted feels kinda fake and I don't feel that they are genuine Town, for sure."

"I am worried about these people" means that they don't look Scummy, but I get a bad feeling about them not looking Scummy/not looking Town either, or in Crescent's case, looking Town but me remembering her looking Town in PW mafia as Scum.

"I want to lynch" means "this is the person I actually want to push right now".
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MZero11 posted...

Bring out your claws if you want tbh it won't end well for you regardless!

Such bravado!
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Han makes a good argument I would like to hear more from Mzero here though I'm not done wanted to look into red more but for now

Talk MZERO claim or die (pulling a corrik line just for fun)

##Unvote
##vote: mzero
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htaeD posted...

But I dont like this kind of confidence.

4 - MZero (Han, Tange, Crescent, Sultan)
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

MZero11 posted...

Bring out your claws if you want tbh it won't end well for you regardless!

Such bravado!

That's the point.. He sure shied away quickly. He sounded like someone who had a lot more to say than he did.

I still have my head tilted at Sultan's BG claim. It doesn't make much sense to me but at the same time, I don't know what scum team would tell him "hey, this is a good idea to claim"
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DoubleTangicide posted...

Hmmmm

Han makes a very compelling argument

##Vote: Mzero

Id be interested in hearing his response

The irony.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

I still have my head tilted at Sultan's BG claim. It doesn't make much sense to me but at the same time, I don't know what scum team would tell him "hey, this is a good idea to claim"

Set it up to be a claim early on, said "fuck it, just keep claiming it anyway", or didn't have time to caution him on a different claim? Maybe Sultan put clues hinting at it early enough on, that he didn't want to go back on that.

In fact, it'd be good to look at early Sultan and see if he made any hints at being BG. Would make me think he's more likely to be Scum if he did.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

In fact, it'd be good to look at early Sultan and see if he made any hints at being BG.

He absolutely did.

That's why people actually buy his claim in the first place.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

htaeD posted...

But I dont like this kind of confidence.

4 - MZero (Han, Tange, Crescent, Sultan)

Funny yes
But I wouldnt call that the best lineup of voters there. Crescent seemed to leap to the conclusion that Mzero bounced, for instance. But maybe thats just because I dont recall Mzero shying away from attacks in Blade Mafia.

Also I really need to look up sultans playstyle. Because he becomes very aggressive once the heat is off him,. and thats weird to me.
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pjbasis posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

In fact, it'd be good to look at early Sultan and see if he made any hints at being BG.

He absolutely did.

That's why people actually buy his claim in the first place.

How is this known to you?
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Well one thing is for sure.

If Eaed and Sultan are both town, Panth is super duper mega confirmed scum.