Board 8 > Mafia Discussion REDUX Part 1: The Boys (and Girls) Are Back In Town

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Hi all! We seem to finally have routine games going here again which is pretty HYPE. Thought we could use a discussion topic to chat about mafia and life in general. You're all good people so just chill in here a bit.

Just wanted to bring up the fact I will be running my next game (A Song Of Ice And Fire Mafia: A Dance With Dragons) in early to mid September, probably. Right now I have the balance set at 17 (my favorite number for Mafia). This is likely a hard cap. I have a 15 and a 21, but I like my 17 best at the moment so nyah.

I don't know who else is interested in hosting but we should really get a queue going again.

With that said:

If any mouth breathing, foot shuffling, nose picking little brats has a problem with a game or a host or a host's decision, what you don't do is put on your crabby pants, grab your binky and throw a damn temper-tantrum in the topic because you don't know how to handle all the emotions you're experiencing. Don't grab your fake alts or the guy you played a game with two years ago to go and post their list of grievances in the middle of an ongoing game because you never learned how to act like an adult and screaming into the void isn't doing enough to alleviate your grumpiness. You, and all your friends, can go kick rocks.

If you absolutely must complain, wait until the game is over in the post game discussion, because that's just sort of what we do. Talk then. People complain in post game literally all the time. There is nothing wrong in complaining about balance or set up or decisions in the post game and some other people might even join you. The louder your scream before that the more we'll ignore you. Go find somewhere else to play if you can't handle basic human communication.

But since we can't discuss any events in ongoing games, I would suggest no one respond to that for now. I mean, not to single anyone out and not like that situation is going on right now.

So.

How's everyone else doing?
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It's good to have friends.
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Meow1000 posted...

Oh and Alakazam just doesn't have it. It's not a knock on him. He cannot functionally play the game of Mafia and it's been obvious for a long time. Some people simply cannot. I have no personal disrespect or hatred for the person himself.

This is precisely why I want to play again. After the horrible blowout I had in Blade's game, I want to try again not to see if I can redeem myself but to see if I am suited to play Mafia. If a second game goes badly, I'm going to be done.

That's all.
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A suprack game

My heart grows warm

Makes me want to kick and punch
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My wrong call against red in last got game literally made my play suffer for basically a year

Must regain glory
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I think I've gotten stuff at least slightly under control and can probably be in a game soon.
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I would like to try a 36 hour day 12 hour night with our community one of these days. I wanted to try it for a while and after playing in it it feels like it fits our styles pretty well
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I don't know if I could do that. I always see those games at MU and think I would just get way too burnt out.

I think it's worth trying though.
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If I ever want Mafia Party Allstars to happen I'll probably have to host it here, so please place me at the far end of the queue after all the guys who haven't hosted in awhile get a turn. That is, unless enough people vehemently hate the concept I guess!
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I don't appreciate all the intrusions during the game.
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I'd like to try actually being in Suprak's game (or the one prior, should that be the case). Reading the last two as they're going on has helped me get back into the mindset, and I really want to do it while I still have a lot of free time. It's a shame that the Forum Mafia board is completely dead because I think that's where most of those who I regularly played with went, but I still recognise a fair amount of you lot, and presumably some of you me.
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BlueCrystalTear posted...

Meow1000 posted...

Oh and Alakazam just doesn't have it. It's not a knock on him. He cannot functionally play the game of Mafia and it's been obvious for a long time. Some people simply cannot. I have no personal disrespect or hatred for the person himself.

This is precisely why I want to play again. After the horrible blowout I had in Blade's game, I want to try again not to see if I can redeem myself but to see if I am suited to play Mafia. If a second game goes badly, I'm going to be done.

That's all.

My first two games were an embarrassment. My mental preparation was all wrong and I wasn't taking care of myself. Sometimes all it takes is changing the approach.

My first ten games were an embarrassment. It took a while for me to actually get accustomed to the game itself.
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I am still an embarrassment! lol. I would like to say I have my moments of good play but I still do stupid things.
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I think it was game five or six that I ended up ok, and it took me a year and a half before I was in the upper tier consistently in every game

The main thing to do is learn from your mistakes, but dont dwell on them
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I'd like to host again sometime. Not sure what flavor. I'd like to do A series of unfortunate events (There's nothing but horror and inconvenience on the way) but I'd like to actually do a flavor people know/are interested in.
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I found the more I was trying to get away from my actual self, the less stable it made me. I'm not exactly stable to begin with, so trying to change myself that badly constantly put me on a hair trigger any time I did it. Hair triggers are like, super bad in this kind of environment. I've said it before, my primary focus early on wasn't the game itself, it was throwing myself into this kind of pressure cooker and finding a way to "survive" it. I have a feeling that mentality usually starts off pretty poorly.

I would like to try hosting once, I did co-host a couple times!
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Crescent-Moon posted...

My first two games were an embarrassment. My mental preparation was all wrong and I wasn't taking care of myself. Sometimes all it takes is changing the approach.

While I can say I was mentally unprepared, I can also say I don't know if I want to take the time to learn a different approach. I know myself well enough and I can handle turbulence but not something like what Corrik pulled... and how everyone believed him as blatant scum over me (though perhaps I only felt his actions were premeditated because I was town, he did trap me).

I think my instincts can be finely honed and I could blossom into a great player provided I have sufficient emotional control to handle myself. However, that is a BIG "if." Only way to find out is for me to play again and see if I will be right.

I won't be playing in the next one, however, seeing as I have a few commitments that will prevent me from playing on a few particular days.
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I didn't "pull" anything. I pressured you. Literally what you are supposed to do in mafia.

If you can't handle being pressured, like you did to me all game also, then mafia simply is not for you.
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Corrik posted...

I didn't "pull" anything. I pressured you. Literally what you are supposed to do in mafia.

You were scum. You trapped me. It wasn't what you did - it was how you did it. You were blatant scum and town still took your side.
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In fairness Corrik plays that way as town so it isn't necessarily scum play from him

KujikawaRising posted...

Crescent-Moon posted...

My first two games were an embarrassment. My mental preparation was all wrong and I wasn't taking care of myself. Sometimes all it takes is changing the approach.

While I can say I was mentally unprepared, I can also say I don't know if I want to take the time to learn a different approach. I know myself well enough and I can handle turbulence but not something like what Corrik pulled... and how everyone believed him as blatant scum over me (though perhaps I only felt his actions were premeditated because I was town, he did trap me).

I think my instincts can be finely honed and I could blossom into a great player provided I have sufficient emotional control to handle myself. However, that is a BIG "if." Only way to find out is for me to play again and see if I will be right.

I won't be playing in the next one, however, seeing as I have a few commitments that will prevent me from playing on a few particular days.

Um.. Nothing he did that game was particularly out of line. I've gone through worse than that in probably half my games.

KujikawaRising posted...

Corrik posted...

I didn't "pull" anything. I pressured you. Literally what you are supposed to do in mafia.

You were scum. You trapped me. It wasn't what you did - it was how you did it. You were blatant scum and town still took your side.

If a town member gets "trapped", then the fault usually lies within that person for letting him or herself be "trapped" to begin with. That's my take, anyway. A lot of your prison was of your own devising. He simply rattled the bars.

Something I learned during some of my early games.. It's possible to be too honest. People will naturally find it scummy if you just say everything you think.

KujikawaRising posted...

I know myself well enough and I can handle turbulence

I gotta be honest and I'm not trying to be mean but you take things WAY too personally too quickly and that will probably prevent you from being a good mafia player. Not everything said in a mafia game is personal and you take things very personally. Not saying that I'm a good mafia player but it is almost a requirement to have thick skin.
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I'd like to host CHAOS Mafia 2 sometime, but this time I'd definitely want a co-host, lol.
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Oooh, chaos

eaedwards6400 posted...

I gotta be honest and I'm not trying to be mean but you take things WAY too personally too quickly and that will probably prevent you from being a good mafia player. Not everything said in a mafia game is personal and you take things very personally. Not saying that I'm a good mafia player but it is almost a requirement to have thick skin.

Did you read the rest of my paragraph? I can indeed handle turbulence, but I am acknowledging that I *did* take the way Corrik played personally. My skin isn't thick enough to handle excess pressure. I legit cracked.

Perhaps Mafia isn't suited for me but I want to test my hypothesis before I decide whether or not I can play or not. I honestly think that, like Zam, Mafia isn't the game for me since the intensity is constant.
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I know what Corrik was doing wasn't personal. It was just the game.

However, the way you spoke to me that led me to ignore you WAS personal. It DID hurt. That's why it happened.

And how Inviso mocked me the other day was taken personally because it was meant as such. That was not Mafia. That was an argument and Inviso used an underhanded tactic to bring up wholly unrelated subjects to touch a nerve with me. Which is why, after that, I just wanted Vis to look bad through those tactics and I left the argument.

It's all situational. In Mafia, my reaction was inappropriate. When it's meant as personal, that's a completely different story.
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Listen man, I just know how quickly you explode in Survivor topics over silly things that don't matter. So I don't know how you would feel if someone is calling your reads/play bad. Especially in the way that someone like Corrik does it. I'm really not trying to insult you but it is something you should be aware of when you play again.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I'd like to host CHAOS Mafia 2 sometime, but this time I'd definitely want a co-host, lol.

It would be Chaos Mafia III, actually (2 is on the mafia commodore 64 board)

I was tinkering with a setup for that myself, but mine is definitely unfinished so yeah
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Listen man, I just know how quickly you explode in Survivor topics over silly things that don't matter.

And this right there proves you're not suited to play Mafia. You have NO IDEA what the hell you're talking about. You think EVERYONE takes the same things personally. YOUR reads are bad, because you have NO IDEA what I take personally and are acting like it's "silly" and "doesn't matter." Well guess what? It matters to me. So screw off.
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KujikawaRising posted...

eaedwards6400 posted...

Listen man, I just know how quickly you explode in Survivor topics over silly things that don't matter.

And this right there proves you're not suited to play Mafia. You have NO IDEA what the hell you're talking about. You think EVERYONE takes the same things personally. YOUR reads are bad, because you have NO IDEA what I take personally and are acting like it's "silly" and "doesn't matter." Well guess what? It matters to me. So screw off.

You just proved his point
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I... I am speechless.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

KujikawaRising posted...

eaedwards6400 posted...

Listen man, I just know how quickly you explode in Survivor topics over silly things that don't matter.

And this right there proves you're not suited to play Mafia. You have NO IDEA what the hell you're talking about. You think EVERYONE takes the same things personally. YOUR reads are bad, because you have NO IDEA what I take personally and are acting like it's "silly" and "doesn't matter." Well guess what? It matters to me. So screw off.

You just proved his point

And he proved mine that he's insensitive, which was the reason I blocked him in the first place.

I don't think what he's referring to is "silly" and "doesn't matter" and for him to say such a thing offends me.
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I'm really trying to be nice here and you're kind of exploding on me. All I am saying is what you take "personally" is all in the eye of the beholder and what matters to you may not matter to who is playing mafia against you and that could backfire against you greatly in a mafia game.
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Also, on the blocking note, you can't play in a mafia game if you have someone on the playerlist blocked.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

KujikawaRising posted...

eaedwards6400 posted...

Listen man, I just know how quickly you explode in Survivor topics over silly things that don't matter.

And this right there proves you're not suited to play Mafia. You have NO IDEA what the hell you're talking about. You think EVERYONE takes the same things personally. YOUR reads are bad, because you have NO IDEA what I take personally and are acting like it's "silly" and "doesn't matter." Well guess what? It matters to me. So screw off.

You just proved his point

...Yep. He wasn't being offensive and he still got blocked for it, apparently.

Also sensitivity... Rarely has any place in a Mafia game, and I say this as someone who is generally much too sensitive for my own good.

I must once again cite the example from the other day when people I care about were dragged into an argument for no reason other than to provoke me. To say that's "silly" and "doesn't matter" would equate to me saying that eaed's wife is "silly" and "doesn't matter." That has nothing to do with this conversation and equates to a personal attack, which is exactly what the context was in the event I describe. I would never do such a thing.

eaedwards6400 posted...

All I am saying is what you take "personally" is all in the eye of the beholder and what matters to you may not matter to who is playing mafia against you and that could backfire against you greatly in a mafia game.

Thanks for confirming your understanding of what I have been saying. It would be great if you could take this advice yourself.

eaedwards6400 posted...

Also, on the blocking note, you can't play in a mafia game if you have someone on the playerlist blocked.

Which is why I took you off of ignore.

But yeah, if I get wound up this easily, perhaps I shouldn't even play another time...
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KujikawaRising posted...

I must once again cite the example from the other day when people I care about were dragged into an argument for no reason other than to provoke me. To say that's "silly" and "doesn't matter" would equate to me saying that eaed's wife is "silly" and "doesn't matter."

I don't know why I am doing this but I don't think people you are a big fan of from a television show quite equates to the woman I love and married and who has given birth to my two children but that's just me..
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You could just relax and realize everything is in jest. When it crosses the line, everyone will know it right away. If everyone is saying it isn't an issue, it isn't an issue. Hell, probably the nastiest thing in all of mafia history was what Chris did to Inviso or Sbell did to me. And Sbell and me became good buds over it afterwards, and I suspect inviso and Chris are super cool towards one another also.

You just need to relax. It is a game. If you and your friends get a little heated over a competitive game of Mario kart, you gonna freak out over it? Probably not.

We are playing a game. Simple as that. You have an eye in the sky to look out for over the line things.
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And that was one of the things that took me the longest to learn. How the players of the game personally feel.. is almost always irrelevant. My time on MU taught me that... It isn't the community that feels toxic in most cases, it's the game itself. That requires an adjustment to get used to. The ability to separate out the in game attacks from the personal ones (which DO happen and shouldn't be tolerated) is one of the most important things to be able to function rationally.

I like turtles.
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I am sure almost anyone you play mafia with would always help you anyway they could outside the game. These are people you have a bond with.

Even people who dislike me and my playstyle, if they came to me asking for help on something I could help with, I would help.

You need to realize that when you play and not take it so seriously.
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I have to say I barely remember what I did to Inviso so I am sure that was likely to be a misunderstanding of intent on my part.

But yeah that outburst towards eaed um... yeah.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I have to say I barely remember what I did to Inviso so I am sure that was likely to be a misunderstanding of intent on my part.

But yeah that outburst towards eaed um... yeah.

Dunno why you keep blocking it out of your mind.

For reference, in FFD's retirement game, you were insistent that you get a perfect scum win with me and some others on your team.

Inviso was having a break down in which inviso was saying suicidal things. You said to get her bullshit out of the topic that it had nothing to do with mafia and basically said something along the lines of if you are going to kill yourself just go and do it and stopping bringing it up in mafia.

It was on the final day. I think you apologized a few days afterwards and Inviso apologized for saying the things in the first place.

But, yeah, that was super bad.
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Corrik posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I have to say I barely remember what I did to Inviso so I am sure that was likely to be a misunderstanding of intent on my part.

But yeah that outburst towards eaed um... yeah.

Dunno why you keep blocking it out of your mind.

For reference, in FFD's retirement game, you were insistent that you get a perfect scum win with me and some others on your team.

Inviso was having a break down in which inviso was saying suicidal things. You said to get her bullshit out of the topic that it had nothing to do with mafia and basically said something along the lines of if you are going to kill yourself just go and do it and stopping bringing it up in mafia.

It was on the final day. I think you apologized a few days afterwards and Inviso apologized for saying the things in the first place.

But, yeah, that was super bad.

That wasn't inviso. That was someone else who doesn't play here anymore. I can't remember who they were, but they were TOWN Survivor.
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They also hosted that crazy game I think where Chris came back from the dead as Kratos and killed Blade and all the roles were bonkers crazy.
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Also, as a player, I would like to see hosts actually following along and reading their games more. I feel like some hosts just think they are just supposed to do flips.

But, this does not mean hosts should be interjecting as too many hosts do. Any time you say anything in any way, you are affecting the game. The less you say the better.

If someone is asking how a role works, and as host you say "Any and all questions will be answered by pm". You have said too much. Don't respond. Any player can PM you with any legitimate things. Only reasons to interject should be in game actions (such as a Vig shot) or to modkill for bad behavior.
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