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eaedwards6400
09/18/18 1:27:51 PM
#302:


And actually I checked now. GTM has One World last and darkx puts it next to last. So based off of what you just said only GTM is out of character but I don't really have a frame of reference on how he prefers his Big Brother.
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Espeon
09/18/18 1:31:55 PM
#303:


BB16 is RI, BB19 is SP, and BB20 is OW
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eaedwards6400
09/18/18 1:33:13 PM
#304:


I think the biggest difference between the One World and BB20 comparison is the beginning. The early flips by Kaitlyn made it more exciting to watch early on because there was this thought process of never knowing where Kaitlyn is going to go.

As far as this season goes, if you're rooting for the "boring people", which I am, the middle of the season is a bit of a roller coaster too until Faysal puts up Scottie. I hate to give Taran from RHAP credit but the wheels came off of this thing for me with the battleback because that killed the pace and then forced the climax of the season of the L6 breakup to occur in a single night as opposed to across a week which lead us to where we are now. Naturally, if you aren't a L6 fan this season was going to be a pain to watch since probably the second Kaitlyn failed to put together that 8 piece puzzle.
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eaedwards6400
09/18/18 1:35:06 PM
#305:


Espeon posted...
BB16 is RI, BB19 is SP, and BB20 is OW


BB19 has an apt comparison of Josh to Sophie. It's not perfect but still. BB19 seems more like RI to me because it is all but setup to be Paul as the winner where BB16 at least Derrick was also a new player... So maybe it is a little more Thailand. Though, if I recall correctly you don't have Thailand in the bottom like I do.
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Espeon
09/18/18 1:43:34 PM
#306:


I do. And I equate Kaitlyns stupid flip to take out Swaggy with Coltons dumb choice to give up immunity and take out Bill. OW had a good cast and WAS interesting...right up until the boring people consolidated power with the Jay blindside ending all suspense.
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Underleveled
09/18/18 1:44:10 PM
#307:


No, the point where the season officially and irreversibly fell apart for L6 haters was when Faysal put Scottie up. At that point FOUTTE was comprised of three people capable of winning challenges and finally rid of their biggest liability in Rockstar. If Faysal had just put up two damn L6 people, the three of them had a chance to come back and make it a game.

There were plenty of points before then where the already down FOUTTE took a hit for the worse (the Winston boot, the Kaitlyn boot, the hacker comp) but the Scottie boot was the end.
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Espeon
09/18/18 1:56:44 PM
#308:


The Scottie boot was bad, yes. But I have to wonder if Faysal makes that dumb move with Rockstar AND Haleigh in his ear as opposed to just an extremely passive Haleigh.
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Underleveled
09/18/18 2:10:04 PM
#309:


Is Bayleigh really racist by the way?

And I'm not like one of those people who believes that black people can't be racist, but the only thing I remember her saying that could be construed as such is that there's really nothing that compares to the n-word, and at least from a historical context she's not really wrong, and probably feels that way from personal experience rather than a place of hatred.
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mnkboy907
09/18/18 2:10:23 PM
#310:


As much as I'd like to give JC credit for that move, I still feel like there's a good chance Faysal would've done it anyway just because he's jealous like that.
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PrestonStarry2
09/18/18 2:12:58 PM
#311:


I think anybody who's name ends in Leigh is a trainwreck waiting to happen and be avoided at all costs.
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mnkboy907
09/18/18 2:17:53 PM
#312:


What if their name starts with Leigh. Like... Leighsa. >_>

*googles*

Okay I shouldn't be surprised but I'm still surprised.
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eaedwards6400
09/18/18 2:24:59 PM
#313:


Underleveled posted...
Is Bayleigh really racist by the way?


I don't think she is a racist in the sense that Andy does but I do feel like she is one of those people who thinks all white people are the problem and I don't really care to speculate but when she said "the big scary black girl is gone" when she got voted out is what makes me think that is probably how she feels. Like, her eviction had nothing to do with her race but she had to try and turn it that way.
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mnkboy907
09/18/18 2:36:34 PM
#314:


In her defense, that basically is how black people are often cast on Big Brother. They get emotional and angry and explode and are evicted, and Bayleigh was savvy enough to see the pattern and tried her hardest to avoid it (and keep Swaggy from going down that path too), but it just got too much for her. But yes, there is a sort of reverse racism in that logic, automatically thinking the white people are going to be on edge around them because they're black and whatnot.

It's just her ego was too big for her to fully see how she had already caused her own demise, and race was a more convenient outlet to receive the blame.
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eaedwards6400
09/18/18 3:21:50 PM
#315:


OH shit. Julie Chen quit the Talk.
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Espeon
09/18/18 3:33:46 PM
#316:


Did we discuss Mark Burnett choking Tom Arnold?
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__LeiaRolando__
09/18/18 3:38:04 PM
#317:


Bayleigh is racist. She talked about hating white people in the house.

BB20 is a better One World. One World doesn't deserve anywhere near as much hate as it gets, but that's because it at least has some interesting people. BB20 has the interesting people, explosive early gameplay, and then... a stupid twist and one group of superior physical players dominating the challenges is... yeah.

eaedwards6400 posted...
OH shit. Julie Chen quit the Talk.

Would not be surprised if she quit Big Brother, too. She obviously has to see this season through to the end since that's a week from tomorrow, but she might be like "When BB20 is done, so am I." Basically, she'd have given her two weeks' notice.

Who should replace her if that happens? Ross Matthews? Marissa Winkour? By some miracle, Arisa Cox? The celebrity edition has some possibilities...
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mnkboy907
09/18/18 3:40:06 PM
#318:


I want Britney to host.
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Underleveled
09/18/18 3:43:37 PM
#319:


Ross Mathews might be it because he has hosting experience I think.
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mnkboy907
09/18/18 3:48:36 PM
#320:


I would just like to see a non-celebrity houseguest get the chance, though preferably not the obvious pick of someone like Jeff or Rachel.
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eaedwards6400
09/18/18 3:59:39 PM
#321:


I would love it to be Dr. Will but that's a bit of a pipedream. I would imagine it would be Ross Matthews because iirc he did Rupaul's Drag Race as a host before.
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Underleveled
09/18/18 4:00:10 PM
#322:


God please not Rachel.

Or Nicole.

Or Paul.
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eaedwards6400
09/18/18 4:00:54 PM
#323:


Espeon posted...
Did we discuss Mark Burnett choking Tom Arnold?


I am quite curious what had went down but I did see this happened. "Jeff is ruining your show!" Mark: "No he's not!!" alcohol. lol idk
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__LeiaRolando__
09/18/18 4:08:02 PM
#324:


mnkboy907 posted...
I would just like to see a non-celebrity houseguest get the chance, though preferably not the obvious pick of someone like Jeff or Rachel.

I would stop watching if it was Jeff Schroeder or Rachel Reilly.

If it was Jeff Probst or Rachel Swindler, however...

Underleveled posted...
Ross Mathews might be it because he has hosting experience I think.

They paid him for the "Meet the Houseguests" segment this season, so entirely possible. Marissa is hosting that day-after-show thingy so she works too.

For the others... James Maslow is too self-indulgent (exact same archetype as Brett tbqh). Omarosa is too intimidating and would be poor fit. Ariadna's accent is a bit too thick for some people but that may or may not be a big deal. Brandi probably wouldn't know what she's doing. Metta World Peace quit. Shannon Elizabeth is too egotistical and is living in South Africa. Keshia was too forgettable and gone too quick. Chuck was first boot and had no idea what a Big Brother even was. Mark McGrath COULD work.

It's really just Ross and Marissa with an outside change of Mark or Ariadna - funnily enough, the top four.
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Underleveled
09/18/18 4:09:08 PM
#325:


Chuck literally said he would have rather been on Amazing Race in his eviction sit-down.
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Underleveled
09/18/18 4:12:03 PM
#326:


__LeiaRolando__ posted...
If it was Jeff Probst or Rachel Swindler, however...

Jeff Probst would be a terrible fit for Big Brother. He already doesn't respect the social aspect of Survivor, and BB is MUCH more social.

Rachel Swindler is neither memorable enough to be selected nor does she have the necessary charisma. When she found out she was the least popular person on the season she thought winking at the camera would help change that.
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eaedwards6400
09/18/18 4:23:13 PM
#327:


Underleveled posted...
God please not Rachel.

Or Nicole.

Or Paul.


I don't think it would be a player. A large portion of them have moved on. It is the same reason I think they aren't doing a full all-stars
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andel
09/18/18 4:40:32 PM
#328:


holy shit i just saw this topic. didn't realize we had bb fans on b8

this season has been really good so far imo. we are now in the slow portion of the game but the endgame is practically here and it will be interesting to see who tyler actually takes to f2 if given the chance. sucks we dont have feeds for the juiciest parts of this week but at least we will be down to f3 after thursday and likely get to see jc get britany'd and l6 surpass the brigade as the best alliance in bb history
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mnkboy907
09/18/18 4:42:14 PM
#329:


JC getting Britney'd would've been so much nicer if Brett had still been there.
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__LeiaRolando__
09/18/18 4:43:38 PM
#330:


Underleveled posted...
Jeff Probst would be a terrible fit for Big Brother. He already doesn't respect the social aspect of Survivor, and BB is MUCH more social.

He needs to respect the social aspects of Survivor given how it's given us winners like Natalie White, Sophie G. Clarke, Michele Fitzgerald, Sarah Lacina, and Wendell Holland, Jr. - all NOT the people Probst wanted to win. And yet it continues to happen.

The thing about Survivor, however, is that the host can manipulate a Tribal Council far more than a Big Brother host can manipulate... anything. The only time there are producers on-set interacting with contestants on Big Brother is during competitions. They can't force a narrative the way Survivor can. If Probst didn't have that power, he might actually be WAY better.

Rachel Swindler is hot. I only said her in jest - she's preferable to Rachel Reilly because she's not obnoxious, but that's about it.
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Mewtwo59
09/18/18 4:44:38 PM
#331:


Probst totally wanted Wendell to win. He was Probst's winner pick, and his first winner pick to actually win.
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eaedwards6400
09/18/18 4:46:16 PM
#332:


Mewtwo59 posted...
Probst totally wanted Wendell to win. He was Probst's winner pick, and his first winner pick to actually win.

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__LeiaRolando__
09/18/18 4:50:04 PM
#333:


eaedwards6400 posted...
It is the same reason I think they aren't doing a full all-stars

The reason they're not doing a full All-Stars is because they can't get enough people who are willing to take off of work/quit their job to return for another full summer. That they've "moved on" is only one of the reasons why. Others have families and don't want to be away that long, yet others feel they'd be target numero uno, and yet others just don't want to go through it again. Survivor can do all-veteran seasons because people don't have to quit their jobs to go on and the prize is worth being away for 6-7 weeks. Big Brother doesn't have that luxury since it's the entire season of summer. It's why we have a lot of 20-something singles.

andel posted...
holy shit i just saw this topic. didn't realize we had bb fans on b8

Hi, and welcome! We've been doing this for years but our numbers are low so it's nice to see a new face.
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mnkboy907
09/18/18 4:54:42 PM
#334:


They really should just up the prize money (and the stipend money too I guess). $500k isn't what it used to be.
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eaedwards6400
09/18/18 9:52:16 PM
#335:


mnkboy907 posted...
They really should just up the prize money (and the stipend money too I guess). $500k isn't what it used to be.


Likely to only way we see a Big Brother All Stars now adays
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09/18/18 10:25:40 PM
#336:


oh god the post count exploded what happened
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eaedwards6400
09/18/18 11:06:22 PM
#337:


BB20 SPOILERS!!!!

We got some amazing spoilers coming.... Julie was apparently a pro. Sam was evicted and despite what I doubted... JC WINS THE HOH!!! OH MY GOD!!! This season is going into overtime!
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mnkboy907
09/18/18 11:30:23 PM
#338:


eaedwards6400 posted...
BB20 SPOILERS!!!!

We got some amazing spoilers coming.... Julie was apparently a pro. Sam was evicted and despite what I doubted... JC WINS THE HOH!!! OH MY GOD!!! This season is going into overtime!

Hahaha, that's crazy. F3 HoH is now the F4 veto then.
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eaedwards6400
09/18/18 11:31:49 PM
#339:


mnkboy907 posted...
eaedwards6400 posted...
BB20 SPOILERS!!!!

We got some amazing spoilers coming.... Julie was apparently a pro. Sam was evicted and despite what I doubted... JC WINS THE HOH!!! OH MY GOD!!! This season is going into overtime!

Hahaha, that's crazy. F3 HoH is now the F4 veto then.


Just a little shot in the arm this season needed to finish. Gonna help break those One World comparisons.
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mnkboy907
09/18/18 11:42:44 PM
#340:


eaedwards6400 posted...
mnkboy907 posted...
eaedwards6400 posted...
BB20 SPOILERS!!!!

We got some amazing spoilers coming.... Julie was apparently a pro. Sam was evicted and despite what I doubted... JC WINS THE HOH!!! OH MY GOD!!! This season is going into overtime!

Hahaha, that's crazy. F3 HoH is now the F4 veto then.


Just a little shot in the arm this season needed to finish. Gonna help break those One World comparisons.

Well it's probably gonna make finale night itself more boring as a trade off. Hoping Kaycee pulls out a fifth veto and Angela is cut, so it can still be the more interesting Tyler/Kaycee finals.
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09/18/18 11:49:52 PM
#341:


Underleveled posted...
anyone could have called since L6 came out of week 2 with a 9-5 advantage.


this seems like revisionist history to me
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09/19/18 12:06:14 AM
#342:


I think Bayleigh and Rockstar are more likely to vote angela over tyler, and I think sam would still do Tyler over Angela
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Underleveled
09/19/18 12:09:00 AM
#343:


Rockstar would have only voted Angela over Brett.
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Surskit
09/19/18 12:14:32 AM
#344:


GTM posted...
Underleveled posted...
anyone could have called since L6 came out of week 2 with a 9-5 advantage.


this seems like revisionist history to me

I think a more accurate way to put it is that we got to the expected result in a very unconventional way. It's like people who say contests suck because Link wins, ignoring every crazy match in between. Those 5 could have turned the game in their favor and worked that number disadvantage if they weren't so terrible at the game.
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09/19/18 12:27:33 AM
#345:


One World was just not fun to watch at all. I enjoyed Jonas a lot. Kat was also fun. And I liked a few of the females here and there. Not enough to redeem it though.

Bayleigh's exit does not equate to Colton. I was so angry when it aired that he did not get voted out, and it just felt like no closure to a villain edit.

I havent seen much Big Brother, but I think this may have been my favorite season pre-Scottie voteout. Every week was exciting throughout the week, a lot of wtfs and blindsides. and the most incompetent alliance ever where EVERYONE in the alliance contributed to the incompetence in jaw dropping ways. It was an amazing trainwreck and I loved it. Not sure if I can have it as my favorite season cause the last 3-4 weeks have been sloooooooow, but the first 6-7 weeks was just spectacular.

What's wrong with Angela!?
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09/19/18 12:32:13 AM
#346:


Underleveled posted...
__LeiaRolando__ posted...
If it was Jeff Probst or Rachel Swindler, however...

Jeff Probst would be a terrible fit for Big Brother. He already doesn't respect the social aspect of Survivor, and BB is MUCH more social.

Rachel Swindler is neither memorable enough to be selected nor does she have the necessary charisma. When she found out she was the least popular person on the season she thought winking at the camera would help change that.


I'm assuming he said Rachel Swindler tongue in cheek
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09/19/18 12:33:40 AM
#347:


__LeiaRolando__ posted...
Rachel Swindler is hot. I only said her in jest - she's preferable to Rachel Reilly because she's not obnoxious, but that's about it.


oh oops it was covered
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09/19/18 12:34:34 AM
#348:


woah andel a name I havent seen in a long time, hi!
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KujikawaRising
09/19/18 10:20:52 AM
#349:


Yep. Rachel Swindler is really, really nice to look at. That's all I have to say about that.

Re: BB20 spoilers
Never thought that was going to happen! It's actually good for Tyler should he not be the one evicted. If Tyler or Angela wins Veto, they probably evict Kaycee. I would HOPE they realize that's what they need to do. Kaycee in 4th and JC a finale-night 3rd is the ideal circumstance: Tyler probably wins final HOH, takes Angela, and wins. It's actually going to be good if true! Unless JC wins and the show gets canceled because of it.
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KujikawaRising
09/19/18 10:47:58 AM
#350:


Also, TMZ is saying that Julie Chen wants to stay as Big Brother host.

Make of that what you will.
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09/19/18 10:51:03 AM
#351:


GTM posted...
woah andel a name I havent seen in a long time, hi!


hi! i mostly come around these days for the nfl pick 'ems but i have been strung out on bb feeds all summer so cool to find another place to talk about it.

jc winning the f4 hoh is the most exciting storyline possible. i do think he has a punchers chance in the f3. not a great chance but he could ostensibly make the third round and it is a crapshoot. the storyline i really like here is seeing if tyler will win veto and who he chooses
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