Poll of the Day > A Minimum Wage Map shows CONSERVATIVES are making a SHOCKING 7.25 an HOUR!!!

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A chart with American States showing how much each is earning on minimum wage has the debate raging over what is fair as some states are more generous through voter-driven ballot initiatives while others hold down the line on even well below federal standards of $7.25...and only TWO states are even below that!!

The differences are striking between Liberals and Conservatives and the highest minimum wage in the nation is actually NOT in a STATE but in the District of Columbia where workers are paid at least 12.50 an hour.

Washington State follows with 11.50 though Seattle recently passed a law that raised it to 15 eventually. San Francisco, Chicago and Oakland are also phasing out minimum wages t hat are higher than w hat states and the D of C offer.

California and Massachusetts tied for 3rd where minimum wage is 11 followed by Oregon at 10.75 and Arizona and Vermont at 10.50 and New York at 10.40

But then we get down the Conservative States where Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina and Tennessee are earning a paltry 7.25 an hour at minimum and even worse for Georgia and Wyoming are 5.15 an hour!!

While these states are starving at low pay, More than 58% of Americans said they support raising the federal minimum wage to 15 an hour while 41 oppose.

Advocates for a higher wage say it's necessary to pay working people enough to survive while inflation has surpassed wage growth. In 1968, a full time minimum wage worker earned 20,600 a year while now a person in that same bracket only earns 15,080 a year.

Jonathan Schleifer of the Fairness Project who says when you put money in low wage workers pocket, they will spend it rather than in CEO's pockets as they will spend it on haircuts, groceries and healthcare where they would otherwise postpone it

Opponents such as Bill Dunkelberg for the National Federation of Business says forcing a high wage for low skill labour will kill businesses and cause layoffs where companies will struggle to survive beccause "every dollar a worker gets has to come out of someone's pocket". He says people in low skill work should ironically WORK for a better life as that is the "american way of life". He said a family of four can't survive on minimum wage but it isn't designed for those people but rather for those just entering the workforce and young people with no experience. He said if you're an adult, you SHOULD be able to afford higher pay already and if not then they are "themselves" to blame..

A recent study also shows that the majority of these southern states with low minimum wage are dependent on WELFARE.

Arkansas and Missouri will put the issue to voters where they will vote to whether increase the wage.

Do you think Minimum Wage should be raised above 7.25?

The shocking map -

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/10/15/17/5066232-0-image-a-2_1539622301589.jpg
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Yes, to $20.

The super-rich do not need every cent of their money, and "trickle-down" obviously doesn't work. Taxes on those who make almost half-a-million per year [and above] should be raised sharply.

Give more money as minimum pay to the people who are actually in need of money. Tough shit for anyone who inherited massive amounts of money, as they already have it much better than most.
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Note that the ones less than the federal minimum don't matter. They're just old laws left on the books that nobody has bothered to update or repeal.

Why are geoegia and Wyoming so low?
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"Do you think minimum wage should be increased from 7.25?"

Not exactly, Minimum wage should be a percentage of housing costs/etc - otherwise it's meaningless
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green dragon posted...

Why are geoegia and Wyoming so low?

Because post #3.
They are orphaned laws nobody has cared to do anything with.

Lokarin posted...

Not exactly, Minimum wage should be a percentage of housing costs/etc - otherwise it's meaningless

Though yes. This, basically.

Ideally, minimum wage should at the very least be $40 an hour... but that's not happening anytime soon, I'll bet.
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ifnsman posted...

Ideally, minimum wage should at the very least be $40 an hour...

Then, what happens to the people who can't get work?

That map is off btw. For instance Manhattan NY is currently at 13.50 min wage and will be at $15 at the end of this year (rest of NY is going up to 13.50 I believe at the same time).

But anyway, sadly min wage increases have had drastic effects on the cost of living and especially on the cost of renting/housing in the areas where it has happened suddenly, causing serious housing problems not only for those who used to be earning min wage, but those who had been making significantly more then min wage in the past.

Those who started at companies making min wage or close, and slowly increased their wages over 10 years? Suddenly Min wage was actually higher then what they were making, but the cost of living went up, enough to make both them, and the people who used to make less, end up having less disposable (if any) income.

In my area, Min wage went up only $2 an hour, but within a few years of that increase rental costs almost doubled (from $600-$700 for a 1 bedroom to about $1000-$1200).

Considering a 2$ increase at 40 hours a week that is an extra $80 a week our around $320 more a month IF you were already making only min wage before.

Meanwhile just cost for rentals increased by at least $400 on average, and other expenses increased as well.

Net result? Less money for people who needed it the most, and more taxes (much more actually) for the government. Increasing min wage does very little at all for most workers, but does increase taxes collected significantly.

The real solution should be to reduce and restrict the cost of housing/renting or provide government supported low rental units (not slums, no section 8 housing etc, just apartment complexes with $600 a month rental units (for 1 bedroom) and $800 a month for 2 bedroom.

AFTER ensuring housing costs do not skyrocket, then start working on boosting wages, but only once it will not drastically affect the cost of living as well.
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ifnsman posted...

Lokarin posted...

Not exactly, Minimum wage should be a percentage of housing costs/etc - otherwise it's meaningless

Though yes. This, basically.

Ideally, minimum wage should at the very least be $40 an hour... but that's not happening anytime soon, I'll bet.

whatever you're smoking, you need to stop

$40/h for putting some french fries in a fryer, get fuckin' real homie.
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helIy posted...

whatever you're smoking, you need to stop

$40/h for putting some french fries in a fryer, get fuckin' real homie.

Though hey, I did say "ideally".

It's a lot better than the rich just getting a lot richer.
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Most places with a lower minimum also have a lower COL. Having the same rate everywhere simply doesn't make sense unless costs are the same everywhere.

ifnsman posted...

Yes, to $20.

The super-rich do not need every cent of their money, and "trickle-down" obviously doesn't work. Taxes on those who make almost half-a-million per year [and above] should be raised sharply.

Give more money as minimum pay to the people who are actually in need of money. Tough shit for anyone who inherited massive amounts of money, as they already have it much better than most.

Which is an utterly moronic stance given that countless employers aren't "super-rich" and it would put them out of business. As it is, I know plenty of owner-operators who work at least 6 days a week because they can't afford more than one employee to cover the rest of the time. (And, I might add, repealing CT's blue laws, for instance, was a major slap in the face to small owners while a rimjob to grocers.)

ifnsman posted...

Ideally, minimum wage should at the very least be $40 an hour... but that's not happening anytime soon, I'll bet.

See, I mistook your first post as being serious. Now I realize you're just having a lark.

ifnsman posted...

It's a lot better than the rich just getting a lot richer.

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helIy posted...

whatever you're smoking, you need to stop

$40/h for putting some french fries in a fryer, get fuckin' real homie.

Wait about thirty years, when that bag of fries is $15.

Min wage should be increased to whatever amount it should be if one were to look at the min. wage from decades ago and adjust for inflation. It should from then onwards be indexed to inflation.
And some areas will need higher min wage than others (say, an area where a 3 bedroom house costs $100,000 and an apartment is $500/month vs. one where the house costs $500,000 and rent is $2500/month), so the federal min wage is just the bare minimum level.

ifnsman posted...

The super-rich do not need every cent of their money,

The super rich would be A-OK with minimum wage being hiked, because they get to jack up their prices when small business all go under because people think menial tasks like sweeping floors and running a cash register deserve high pay.

ifnsman posted...

Taxes on those who make almost half-a-million per year [and above] should be raised sharply.

Give more money as minimum pay to the people who are actually in need of money. Tough shit for anyone who inherited massive amounts of money, as they already have it much better than most.

I agree, demolishing our civilization by removing any incentive whatsoever for people to ever try to make large amounts of money is great. Hope you survive the purge, brother.

wolfy42 posted...

not slums, no section 8 housing etc, just apartment complexes with $600 a month rental units (for 1 bedroom) and $800 a month for 2 bedroom.

Do you not realize that these places become slums because they attract what tend to be the shittiest people?
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Glad to see you all took my posts so seriously.

@Rasmoh However, none of this actually changes the fact that those who are rich need to be taxed at a much higher percentage than everyone else. Pretty sure they don't need to keep hoarding every cent they can to stay rich; as they're just sitting on mountains of money they don't use.
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Lokarin posted...

Not exactly, Minimum wage should be a percentage of housing costs/etc - otherwise it's meaningless

Pretty much. As much as the whole push for $15/hour everywhere sounds nice and reasonable, there are many places where $15/hour is way more than is needed to get by, and many other places where that won't even come close to covering rent. Minimum wage should be the minimum amount of money that a person needs to live in reasonable comfort while working full time. If you can't afford to pay your workers enough to survive without sacrificing their physical or mental health, then you can't afford to run a business and should try something you suck less at.

There are always those assholes in these types of threads with the its just menial work, they dont deserve money! ass-backwards way of thinking. These are jobs that need to be done.

Not everyone can afford to go to college and get some amazing job. Not everyone has the same opportunities. Sometimes you get stuck doing a shitty menial job because thats all there is.
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rexcrk posted...

There are always those assholes in these types of threads with the its just menial work, they dont deserve money! ass-backwards way of thinking. These are jobs that need to be done.

Especially people who can't find anything better to do with their time than waste it on gaming message boards by threatening people with a Purge. :3

Such original thinking, totally not derived from the movies.
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There shouldn't be a minimum wage. These corporations shouldn't be able to point to an arbitrary number and say "well if that's the number, that's the wage". If we didn't have one they would be forced to pay a livable wage or they wouldn't have employees.

Peter schiff can explain it way better than I can so I'm just going to let you google him and educate yourself.
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_AdjI_ posted...

Minimum wage should be the minimum amount of money that a person needs to live in reasonable comfort while working full time.

Not sure it should be entirely comfortable.

_AdjI_ posted...

If you can't afford to pay your workers enough to survive without sacrificing their physical or mental health, then you can't afford to run a business and should try something you suck less at.

Which sounds great in principle, but a lot of businesses run on razor-thin margins and by losing those companies all you accomplish is having more people out of work.

rexcrk posted...

There are always those assholes in these types of threads with the its just menial work, they dont deserve money! ass-backwards way of thinking. These are jobs that need to be done.

Except jobs that just need a warm body shouldn't be well-compensated.

rexcrk posted...

Not everyone can afford to go to college and get some amazing job. Not everyone has the same opportunities. Sometimes you get stuck doing a shitty menial job because thats all there is.

Literally why the whole college loan industry exists and, conversely, also a big reason why college is so fucking expensive now.

ifnsman posted...

Especially people who can't find anything better to do with their time than waste it on gaming message boards by threatening people with a Purge. :3

Such original thinking, totally not derived from the movies.

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Yeah but should a person have to go into lifelong debt to get an education? Get the fuck out of here if you think thats ok.

Its completely wrong.
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rexcrk posted...

Yeah but should a person have to go into lifelong debt to get an education? Get the fuck out of here if you think thats ok.

Its completely wrong.

Why are you replying to Zeus? He's an alt-right troll that should be ignored.
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_AdjI_ posted...

If you can't afford to pay your workers enough to survive without sacrificing their physical or mental health, then you can't afford to run a business and should try something you suck less at.

This is a horseshit line because some jobs just don't generate the amount of money that others do, they have to be paid lower or cease to exist. Not to mention that "enough to survive" is usually warped by minimum wage advocates to mean "enough to live a comfortable lifestyle with luxuries and conveniences ill-befitting a warm body at a cash register".

rexcrk posted...

There are always those assholes in these types of threads with the its just menial work, they dont deserve money! ass-backwards way of thinking. These are jobs that need to be done.

It's not about whether they need to be done, it's about the skills required to perform these jobs. If the jobs take no special skills(read: minimum wage jobs), they by virtue deserve low pay because the labor pool for such jobs is massive. Specialization pays, just showing up does not.

ifnsman posted...

Such original thinking, totally not derived from the movies.

Today I learned that the word purge didn't exist before the movies.

Incidentally, the people we need least as a society are the ones always crying about minimum wage not being high enough.
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rexcrk posted...

Yeah but should a person have to go into lifelong debt to get an education? Get the fuck out of here if you think thats ok.

Its completely wrong.

What's wrong is the claim that it's lifelong debt, unless you're living a fucking short life.

https://studentaid.ed.gov/sa/repay-loans/understand/plans/standard

My cousin's fiance will have her MD paid off by age 32 (and part of that is because she didn't work any side jobs while pursuing her degree, otherwise she might have been able to do it sooner). That's a DOCTORATE. Most people stop at a bachelors.

More generally, there's zero reason that you should just expect to get things for free.

lihlih posted...

Why are you replying to Zeus? [Lazy blatantly false accusations/flaming]

Topping your usual shitposting with a flame? You've really outdone yourself this time.
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I took a loan out to go to nursing school at a community college. Paid it all back in about 3 years, and made more than my parents did at my first job. The advantages I did have going for me was a place to stay for free while I was in school, and a truck given to me that was older than I was where the air conditioner cut off if I went above 50mph. I don't feel that the ability to live with your parents and to attain a cheap vehicle to be a rare opportunity by any stretch of the imagination.

But I also didn't get anyone pregnant (which if you did, that's entirely your fault 100%..not establishing yourself before starting a family), and I studied my ass off and worked and studied through every vacation until I got it done. Community colleges are way cheaper. The big name colleges are a scam as far as I've seen. At least in nursing, they only care about what you're capable of and if you passed a test to get your qualification that has the same standard across the entire state. They don't even ask what school you went to. I'm sure it's like that with a lot of jobs.

ifnsman posted...

Ideally, minimum wage should at the very least be $40 an hour... but that's not happening anytime soon, I'll bet.

Idk the cost of living where you're at but that is absolutely absurd. I did completely fine, hell, did great with a wage that was half that. At $40/hr that surpasses entry level pay for nurses who have gone through several years of schooling where I live. Which is a far more skilled type of labor vs flipping burgers!!! I'm going to guess you live in a big city where rent is sky high or something, idk. That number is way off, at least in my rural community. But I mean, I split rent with my roommate. Which ANYONE CAN DO. SOOO. STILL. Pretty out there number for me.
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