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Jakyl25
11/09/18 11:38:03 AM
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Whitaker brings new meaning to Acting Attorney General
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TheRock1525
11/09/18 11:42:13 AM
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How did I miss his gem?

https://splinternews.com/oh-god-1830235365

I dont know, theyll say this is nepotism, but the truth is, shes a very, veryyoure not allowed to use the word beautiful anymore when you talk about women. Youre not allowed. No, no. Its politically incorrect. No, no. Its politicallyI will never call a woman beautiful again. And every man here, every man, raise your hand. You will never ever say your wife, your girlfriend, anybody is beautiful, right? So Im not allowed to say it. Because its my daughter Ivanka. But shes really smart. And shes here!

Trump's first thought to counteract accusations of nepotism is to comment on Ivanka's looks before pulling back to go into a rant about how you can't call a woman beautiful anymore (hint: you can) before finally saying she's smart.

Here, let me fix this for you, Donny.

I dont know, theyll say this is nepotism, but the truth is, shes a very, very smart. And shes here!

Jesus.
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xp1337
11/09/18 11:44:08 AM
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What's frustrating about much of our government being built on a system of norms and not laws is that's it's remarkably hard to pin down what can be done.

I've heard that Whitaker can be made to recuse by DOJ Ethics Lawyers if they find he should... but I've heard nothing about what actual enforcement mechanism there is for that. I have the sinking suspicion there is none but I don't even know that for sure. To say nothing to the question of the constitutionality of his appointment in the first place.
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Jakyl25
11/09/18 11:46:27 AM
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I wonder how many MAGA types who decry diversity hires because they want the best person for the job think that Ivanka and Jared got their spots in the administration by winning a vigorous job search
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JeffreyRaze
11/09/18 11:48:08 AM
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Reposting this in the new topic.

It's not the time for it given Trump, but I've been thinking and going forward the democratic message should be something along the lines of "Together, we are invincible". Studies have shown that right wing political leaning is linked to the strength of fear and disgust reactions. People who picture themselves as physically invulnerable before a survey lean further left than normal for that survey, regardless of their initial leanings, than people who don't. If you want to convert people leftward you need to try to make them feel safe, regardless of any other factors. I think the Trump administration has shown that pointing to how bad things are, pointing to how disgusting things are, does not fire up the left and the right see it as an attack and retreat further rightward.
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Jakyl25
11/09/18 11:51:39 AM
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StartTheMachine posted...
can I just say that sometimes jakyl low-key makes the worst posts in these topics


Its my responsibility
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StartTheMachine
11/09/18 11:54:10 AM
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Jakyl25 posted...
StartTheMachine posted...
can I just say that sometimes jakyl low-key makes the worst posts in these topics


Its my responsibility

That's a heavy burden man
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Wreath
11/09/18 11:54:59 AM
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So where is the caravan at now? Close at all?
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xp1337
11/09/18 11:55:11 AM
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You're gonna carry that weight.
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Jakyl25
11/09/18 11:56:42 AM
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Wreath posted...
So where is the caravan at now? Close at all?


Google says Mexico City
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StartTheMachine
11/09/18 12:02:04 PM
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i thought they were in the mexican city of wattle dah still

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1055317751751942144

wonder when they'll make it to waddle dee

e: important update this clip still hasn't gotten old
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ChaosTonyV4
11/09/18 12:14:21 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVEdQJ7qtJw" data-time="


PhillyD with the best take on the Acosta thing and the Tucker thing. (Skip to 4:29 to jump passed some YouTube drama news)
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scarletspeed7
11/09/18 12:15:42 PM
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Um

Check the link maybe
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LapisLazuli
11/09/18 12:16:03 PM
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LapisLazuli
11/09/18 12:16:39 PM
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VintageGin
11/09/18 12:18:25 PM
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Definitely the best take
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Espeon
11/09/18 12:20:34 PM
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LapisLazuli posted...
For what it's worth that post got modded.

NKL


What post?
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TheRock1525
11/09/18 12:33:43 PM
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https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1060631571928096768?s=19

The most millennial thing ever.
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Espeon
11/09/18 12:37:12 PM
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Can someone source me? Im on mobile and getting links is difficult. Apparently, the Thousand Oaks shooter used a high capacity magazine that voters voted to ban in 2016, but the ban hasnt gone into place because the NRA is suing. Note, not a gun ban. A specific type of magazine...yet we cant even regulate THAT.
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StartTheMachine
11/09/18 12:41:23 PM
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Apparently one of the Thousands Oaks victims was a survivor of the Las Vegas massacre

jesus fucking christ
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Suprak the Stud
11/09/18 12:55:57 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVEdQJ7qtJw" data-time="


PhillyD with the best take on the Acosta thing and the Tucker thing. (Skip to 4:29 to jump passed some YouTube drama news)


I never thought about it that way, honestly. Interesting.
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Jakyl25
11/09/18 12:59:50 PM
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TheRock1525 posted...
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1060631571928096768?s=19

The most millennial thing ever.


Of course Fox News is shaming her over being poor
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xp1337
11/09/18 12:59:59 PM
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Espeon posted...
Can someone source me? Im on mobile and getting links is difficult. Apparently, the Thousand Oaks shooter used a high capacity magazine that voters voted to ban in 2016, but the ban hasnt gone into place because the NRA is suing. Note, not a gun ban. A specific type of magazine...yet we cant even regulate THAT.

Not definitive, but at the very end of this NYT article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/08/us/california-gun-laws.html

It says that the initial police reports suggest a large capacity magazine was used and that the sale of them has been banned for several years and possession of them was recently banned by a proposition passed in 2016. The prop would have taken effect on July 1, 2017 but has been enjoined by a court following a gun lobby challenge so possession is not yet illegal.

They don't name the NRA specifically, opting for "gun lobby" but this sounds like what you're referring to. Not sure if there's been an update on the situation, the article is from yesterday. I checked WaPo and the closest I got out of them was "authorities are looking into..."
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StartTheMachine
11/09/18 2:33:31 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1060631571928096768?s=19

The most millennial thing ever.


Of course Fox News is shaming her over being poor

That's fucking pathetic. In a country where over half of workers literally make less than $30,000 a year, it's damn time we get some representation of our own.

and yes that statistic never ceases to amaze me either, but it's real:
https://washingtonsblog.com/2015/10/goodbye-middle-class-51-percent-of-all-american-workers-make-less-than-30000-dollars-a-year.html

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trdl23
11/09/18 2:44:40 PM
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LordoftheMorons
11/09/18 2:53:33 PM
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Prosecutors apparently have evidence that Trump was personally involved in the Stormy Daniels payoff (which was a violation of federal election law):

https://twitter.com/politicohen_/status/1060959476147216385?s=21
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xp1337
11/09/18 2:57:22 PM
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I saw that but WSJ's paywall is still too powerful for me and though I saw some quoted excerpts tweeted out didn't want to go ahead with it without being able to read the whole thing even though I'm pretty sure I got the main parts of it.

My favorite quote I saw was: "Mr. Pecker told Mr. Cohen to tear up the reimbursement agreement, but Mr. Cohen kept a copy. Federal agents found it in a search of Mr. Cohen's office earlier this year."

lmao
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CelesMyUserName
11/09/18 3:44:10 PM
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LordoftheMorons
11/09/18 3:45:42 PM
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Now imagine what's going to happen if Trump loses narrowly in 2020
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LordoftheMorons
11/09/18 3:49:45 PM
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Dave Wasserman from Cook Political Report thinks it's very likely that Sinema is going to end up winning based on what's come in so far/what's left:

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1060979787513192454
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LapisLazuli
11/09/18 3:59:16 PM
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Suprak the Stud
11/09/18 4:00:51 PM
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CelesMyUserName posted...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1060993836984324096


Ok so this is the low point of his presidency.
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DoomTheGyarados
11/09/18 4:00:54 PM
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Ulti best troll 14 years running.
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LordoftheMorons
11/09/18 4:03:08 PM
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This is what Trump, Scott, and Rubio are causing:

http://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2018/11/09/broward-county-officials-need-police-protection-to-tally-florida-election-results/
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Shaduln
11/09/18 4:05:09 PM
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LapisLazuli posted...
Didn't you JUST SAY you trusted Arizona?

If you haven't figured this out yet...
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Suprak the Stud
11/09/18 4:10:15 PM
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Suprak the Stud posted...
CelesMyUserName posted...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1060993836984324096


Ok so this is the low point of his presidency.


Like, just to be clear, he is trying to undermine elections at this point.

There is no way he is so stupid he doesn't understand the "signatures don't match" is something they account for and correct. You'd have to be intentionally malicious to post something like this, to add doubt to the legitimate results of an election and rile your base to anger and possibly violence. He will likely do the same thing to Montana and Michigan too, because that is what his base is calling for.
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Suprak the Stud
11/09/18 4:21:41 PM
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/something-looks-weird-in-broward-county-heres-what-we-know-about-a-possible-florida-recount/

Tl;dr what other people have been saying and dumb people in southern Florida might have cost Nelson the election because they were too stupid to work a ballot.

Seriously it isnt that confusing, Florida. The ballot isnt that crazy. When I heard the ballot mightve been too confusing to people I was assuming it was printed on a magic eye poster, not that it followed logically after where the instructions were.
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Kenri
11/09/18 4:22:14 PM
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Suprak the Stud posted...
Like, just to be clear, he is trying to undermine elections at this point.

He was doing it way before this point...?
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Dancedreamer
11/09/18 4:27:35 PM
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I think Trump is showing that if he loses in 2020, he will not peacefully step down.
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Suprak the Stud
11/09/18 4:29:31 PM
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Well, the election in Arizona. He's mostly focused on Florida to this point.

Dancedreamer posted...
I think Trump is showing that if he loses in 2020, he will not peacefully step down.


Democrats need to not just win, but win Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania by 10 points. Or there is going to be trouble.
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Suprak the Stud
11/09/18 4:31:25 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Dave Wasserman from Cook Political Report thinks it's very likely that Sinema is going to end up winning based on what's come in so far/what's left:

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1060979787513192454


Trump's temper tantrum aside, McSally still has a decent chance. It all comes down to Maricopa, and that is a very heterogeneous county with plenty of red pockets. 538 has it as a toss up because of this, although they did say there were reasons it could be lean dem. We'll have a better idea when Maricopa drops batch 2 tonight.
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LordoftheMorons
11/09/18 4:31:57 PM
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Suprak the Stud posted...
Democrats need to not just win, but win Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania by 10 points. Or there is going to be trouble.

Guessing in that case he'll claim fraud anyway because it would be "impossible" for the states that loved him so much in 2016 to have swung so hard against him in 2020...!
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Suprak the Stud
11/09/18 4:35:03 PM
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r/the_donald is literally arguing Sinema couldn't have won because the republican governor won too. Like, they can't fathom one person not voting straight republican or straight democratic, and that is their evidence of fraud.

Or "Montana went to Trump by 20 and now it went to Tester? FRAUD" as if a democratic governor didn't just win in 2016 alongside Trump in Montana.
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HashtagSEP
11/09/18 4:36:43 PM
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Wait, Whitaker actually said Marbury v Madison was "wrongly decided?"
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xp1337
11/09/18 4:41:23 PM
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HashtagSEP posted...
Wait, Whitaker actually said Marbury v Madison was "wrongly decided?"

Yes.
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Sorozone
11/09/18 4:42:21 PM
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I live in Arizona. Suprak the Stud posted...
r/the_donald is literally arguing Sinema couldn't have won because the republican governor won too. Like, they can't fathom one person not voting straight republican or straight democratic, and that is their evidence of fraud.

Or "Montana went to Trump by 20 and now it went to Tester? FRAUD" as if a democratic governor didn't just win in 2016 alongside Trump in Montana.


As a person who lives in Arizona and would have liked Garcia to win. He ran a really weak campaign. It's not a surprise he Ducey won. Plus I have a feeling most Dems here don't have much of an issue with Ducey outside of education.
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xp1337
11/09/18 5:02:36 PM
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Suprak the Stud posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Dave Wasserman from Cook Political Report thinks it's very likely that Sinema is going to end up winning based on what's come in so far/what's left:

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1060979787513192454


Trump's temper tantrum aside, McSally still has a decent chance. It all comes down to Maricopa, and that is a very heterogeneous county with plenty of red pockets. 538 has it as a toss up because of this, although they did say there were reasons it could be lean dem. We'll have a better idea when Maricopa drops batch 2 tonight.

suprak chill

Yes, it's not over yet and McSally could still win.

But the rurals that have been trickling in today have had McSally underperforming her EDay margins and Pima is still hanging out there.

Sinema should rightfully be considered the favorite here.

Also, Silver moved AZ SEN to Lean D already.
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Corrik
11/09/18 5:07:03 PM
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Suprak the Stud posted...
Well, the election in Arizona. He's mostly focused on Florida to this point.

Dancedreamer posted...
I think Trump is showing that if he loses in 2020, he will not peacefully step down.


Democrats need to not just win, but win Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania by 10 points. Or there is going to be trouble.

Trump acknowledged the possibility of losing Arizona and Montana in his speech. Florida is the one he can't fathom.
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Suprak the Stud
11/09/18 5:07:54 PM
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Oh Sinema is probably the favorite now, yes.

But we're waiting on the two big Maricopa dumps to be sure. McSally had a bad Pinal dump today, which is good, but she had ok dumps elsewhere so she's actually up 600 or so from start of day (granted, with no Pima incoming yet).

I'm not panicked or anything! I just think it is premature until we see Maricopa tonight!
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