Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 207: Sinema Vérité

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Ironically the green party candidate that reg was mother fucking earlier might be how Sinema scrapes by because they withdrew and threw their support behind Sinema right at the end.
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And as Reg said, he appreciated the individual candidate for doing that and was actually bitching about the green party as a whole.
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I still believe the Green Party has the best platform

But their corruption runs deep
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/09/us/politics/matthew-whitaker-donald-trump.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Great headline
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/09/lindsey-graham-holy-hell-pay-if-sessions-is-fired-when-was-that-what-year/

A similar fun headline
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/09/us/politics/matthew-whitaker-donald-trump.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Great headline

I really wish the "respectable" media would have the balls to call Trump the liar that he is.
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We dont know which time he was lying though

Theres a scenario where he could have lied BOTH times
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Sinema is now ahead 22k votes. Reporting 99% reported.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judge-sides-with-floridas-rick-scott-cites-violation-of-state-constitution-by-election-officials
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Was that the batch that was supposed to be Sinema or McSally friendly? How many left in Maricopa after today?
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Pima hasn't posted yet either today. 22k could go up.
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Jakyl25 posted...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/09/us/politics/matthew-whitaker-donald-trump.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Great headline

just caught the CNN version


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Suprak the Stud posted...

Was that the batch that was supposed to be Sinema or McSally friendly? How many left in Maricopa after today?

They are reporting 99%. I dunno if that's true or not. If so that is everything.
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There's still 362k ballots left to count, most in Maricopa! That 99% is probably "day of ballots". They projections never incorporated the mail ins into those percentages so they've stayed the same for a while.

(This is what is causing confusion with the MAGA crowd)
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Ok so it was a drop of roughly 80k. You're still looking at 280k or so from Maricopa.
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If I didn't know any better, I'd assume Suprak was pulling for McSally with how much "McSally's got it" and "McSally can come back" he's been posting!
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McSally is gonna need a high McTally of votes to win.
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I'm not, but I feel better being pessimistic!

I want Sinema to win more than almost any other senate candidate other than Rosen and Tester, I think. So I'm definitely pulling for her. I've been F5ing all night.
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Suprak the Stud posted...

There's still 362k ballots left to count, most in Maricopa! That 99% is probably "day of ballots". They projections never incorporated the mail ins into those percentages so they've stayed the same for a while.

(This is what is causing confusion with the MAGA crowd)

CNN has right %s at least. They are at 84%
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And I wasn't even being pessimistic in my latest batch! Those are just the raw numbers left. I'm waiting for Pima to drop today and then we'll know how much total is left.
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It looks like Pima is not dropping any new votes tonight, which is a shame because that is Sinema's best county. I think they're slightly less than 60k left, which is more than everywhere else combined outside of Maricopa.

There are now five counties that are completely done costing outside of 500 or less provisional ballots they need to go through.
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TheRock1525 posted...

McSally is gonna need a high McTally of votes to win.

Boooooo.
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TheRock1525 posted...

McTally

this is gonna take a whole new meaning in 2084 when the United States of McDonalds is holding its first election
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Kenri posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

McTally

this is gonna take a whole new meaning when in 2084 when the United States of McDonalds is holding its first election

We all know that Taco Bell wins the franchise wars.
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Burger King would've had a shot if they hadn't dissolved their monarchy and guillotined the King.
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Weren't we having a discussion about Arby's a few topics back?
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I'll be eating at Burger Proletariat for now on, thanks.
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Yes, we all agreed it was delicious and that they did, in fact, have the meats.
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SupremeZero posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

McSally is gonna need a high McTally of votes to win.

Boooooo.

Rock should not be allowed to come up with topic titles
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Good on McSally and absolutely disgusting from Trump and the RNC:

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1061070771869515776
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Matt Whitaker claims that states can nullify federal law:
https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1061073014593409025

How does Trump keep managing to find people this terrible
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I think there's a good case for secession being a matter of right under the original constitution but not nullification. Either you are in the Union or not - can't pick and choose which federal laws to follow.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

https://twitter.com/ali/status/1061045905212821504?s=21

If I knew I was going to be held in contempt of court for not meeting a deadline, I would actually be.... you know. Doing something. Those people in the background are doing literally nothing.

In her defense, she didn't get to choose her staff. = (.
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red sox 777 posted...

I think there's a good case for secession being a matter of right under the original constitution but not nullification. Either you are in the Union or not - can't pick and choose which federal laws to follow.

Doesn't a lot of states do this already with marijuana.
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Also, up until the 17th amendment (direct election of senators) was passed, a majority of state legislatures could effectively shut down the federal government by installing a cabal of senators who would not agree to any bill funding the federal government at all.
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Corrik posted...

red sox 777 posted...

I think there's a good case for secession being a matter of right under the original constitution but not nullification. Either you are in the Union or not - can't pick and choose which federal laws to follow.

Doesn't a lot of states do this already with marijuana.

States are never required to enforce federal law. Nullification is affirmatively taking action to prevent federal enforcement of federal law - for example, SC tried to stop federal customs officials from collecting tariffs at SC ports.
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red sox 777 posted...

Corrik posted...

red sox 777 posted...

I think there's a good case for secession being a matter of right under the original constitution but not nullification. Either you are in the Union or not - can't pick and choose which federal laws to follow.

Doesn't a lot of states do this already with marijuana.

States are never required to enforce federal law. Nullification is affirmatively taking action to prevent federal enforcement of federal law - for example, SC tried to stop federal customs officials from collecting tariffs at SC ports.

Legalizing something expressly illegal at the federal level would seem to be nullifying the law.
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And we have the sanctuary cities thing.
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Corrik posted...

red sox 777 posted...

Corrik posted...

red sox 777 posted...

I think there's a good case for secession being a matter of right under the original constitution but not nullification. Either you are in the Union or not - can't pick and choose which federal laws to follow.

Doesn't a lot of states do this already with marijuana.

States are never required to enforce federal law. Nullification is affirmatively taking action to prevent federal enforcement of federal law - for example, SC tried to stop federal customs officials from collecting tariffs at SC ports.

Legalizing something expressly illegal at the federal level would seem to be nullifying the law.

It doesn't legalize it, strictly speaking. All it does is decriminalize it under state law. Jeff Sessions could have ordered the FBI to go to CA, CO, etc. and start arresting people at the marijuana stores, even the medicinal ones. He talked it about enough to make some credit card companies refuse to touch the business.
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Corrik posted...

red sox 777 posted...

Corrik posted...

red sox 777 posted...

I think there's a good case for secession being a matter of right under the original constitution but not nullification. Either you are in the Union or not - can't pick and choose which federal laws to follow.

Doesn't a lot of states do this already with marijuana.

States are never required to enforce federal law. Nullification is affirmatively taking action to prevent federal enforcement of federal law - for example, SC tried to stop federal customs officials from collecting tariffs at SC ports.

Legalizing something expressly illegal at the federal level would seem to be nullifying the law.

That would only be true if they actively stopped federal agents from enforcing the law. Which they haven't. The feds have just chosen not to enforce their law
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Sanctuary cities operate on the same principle that the North operated on for decades before the Fugitive Slave Act and Dred Scott case. The states are not required to help enforce federal law. In those days the federal government was very small, and neither willing nor able to send people to catch escaped slaves who had reached the North to enforce the federal law of slavery, so reaching a free state effectively made you free.
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Why aren't the feds enforcing marijuana laws in states that legalize it, anyway? Obviously that wouldn't be a popular idea, but I can't see any other reasons and that doesn't seem like enough justification by itself.
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When the feds finally tried to enforce slavery in the North in the 1850s and especially after the Dred Scott case in 1857, they got a wave election in 1860 in response almost immediately that led to the end of slavery across the country. It's a political mistake.
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Have to imagine it's not worth the cost of enforcement. Same reason nothing usually happens for ignoring a jury summons.

(And in California at least, I've indeed heard of feds enforcing it -- but it's definitely rare.)
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And yeah you could probably send in the FBI to do mass arrests in California with no fallout but if you do it in swing states like CO and MI you jeopardize Republican control of the federal government.
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i'm two topics late with this but GMUN archives all topics on his site now so you guys can stop going "lasa archive this."

www.l ogfaqs.com - remove the space

ok carry on.
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If marijuana's so popular that enforcing the laws would lead to a massive backlash, why not go ahead and legalize it at the federal level? Wouldn't that lead to massive gains in swing states and no losses in solid red states (which would still not allow marijuana and think the GOP is better)?
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Xeybozn posted...

If marijuana's so popular that enforcing the laws would lead to a massive backlash, why not go ahead and legalize it at the federal level? Wouldn't that lead to massive gains in swing states and no losses in solid red states (which would still not allow marijuana and think the GOP is better)?

Republicans strictly follow the Hastert Rule - any idea must be supported by the majority of Republicans for positive action to be taken on it. Something that has the majority support of the country but not Republicans will get inaction one way or the other. This rule creates an incentive to be a Republican - so you'll have more input into what the ruling party does.
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