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BlackScythe0
11/19/18 12:46:55 AM
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So the whole plot point about "Should I start worrying?" was that a reference to gun violence?
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Doctor Foxx
11/19/18 12:48:32 AM
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it's about climate change

specifically anthropogenic climate change
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LanHikari10
11/19/18 1:06:58 AM
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BlackScythe0
11/19/18 1:13:57 AM
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LanHikari10 posted...
Can't it be applied to quite a few things?


Yea after Foxx pointed out climate change it might just be a general reference to the refusal of our government to discuss any issues.
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Doctor Foxx
11/19/18 1:15:08 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
LanHikari10 posted...
Can't it be applied to quite a few things?


Yea after Foxx pointed out climate change it might just be a general reference to the refusal of our government to discuss any issues.

Yeah but it's very openly about climate change if you watch this week's episode

think about the deal Stan made
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Blighboy
11/19/18 1:39:52 AM
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Do people just not know who Al Gore is?

It's about climate change.
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Doctor Foxx
11/19/18 1:52:41 AM
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If you're wondering about the "should I start worrying," it's in reference to events in the US. The Camp fire. Now people are wondering if maybe they should worry

giving up cars and ice cream is unambiguously giving up highly destructive unnecessary goods to prevent further climate change
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edededdy
11/19/18 1:55:28 AM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
If you're wondering about the "should I start worrying," it's in reference to events in the US. The Camp fire. Now people are wondering if maybe they should worry

giving up cars and ice cream is unambiguously giving up highly destructive unnecessary goods to prevent further climate change

>cars
>unnecessary

lmfao
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Doctor Foxx
11/19/18 1:58:07 AM
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edededdy posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
If you're wondering about the "should I start worrying," it's in reference to events in the US. The Camp fire. Now people are wondering if maybe they should worry

giving up cars and ice cream is unambiguously giving up highly destructive unnecessary goods to prevent further climate change

>cars
>unnecessary

lmfao

most people overuse cars. They are, by and large, a convenience item. People can live without them

substitute "luxury" if you prefer
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edededdy
11/19/18 2:01:08 AM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
edededdy posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
If you're wondering about the "should I start worrying," it's in reference to events in the US. The Camp fire. Now people are wondering if maybe they should worry

giving up cars and ice cream is unambiguously giving up highly destructive unnecessary goods to prevent further climate change

>cars
>unnecessary

lmfao

most people overuse cars. They are, by and large, a convenience item. People can live without them

substitute "luxury" if you prefer

no many people need them to get to their jobs. and dont start on public transportation bullshit when its not universal.

we cant all live without having to work
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Doctor Foxx
11/19/18 2:03:24 AM
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edededdy posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
edededdy posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
If you're wondering about the "should I start worrying," it's in reference to events in the US. The Camp fire. Now people are wondering if maybe they should worry

giving up cars and ice cream is unambiguously giving up highly destructive unnecessary goods to prevent further climate change

>cars
>unnecessary

lmfao

most people overuse cars. They are, by and large, a convenience item. People can live without them

substitute "luxury" if you prefer

no many people need them to get to their jobs. and dont start on public transportation bullshit when its not universal.

we cant all live without having to work

but we can all do things to live closer to work

there are other ways of getting places. If you're driving for less than a 5-mile commute, that's walking distance for an able-bodied person--if you put in the effort. most people won't.
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edededdy
11/19/18 2:18:40 AM
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youre making far too many assumptions. you make it seem like finding work, moving, etc. are all easy things to do when that isnt remotely the case. just because you have a cushy life where everything gets handed to you on a platter doesnt mean others do. cars are a necessity. period.

the argument you should be making is for cleaner modes of transportation, including electric or solar cars
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Doctor Foxx
11/19/18 2:26:07 AM
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edededdy posted...
youre making far too many assumptions. you make it seem like finding work, moving, etc. are all easy things to do when that isnt remotely the case. just because you have a cushy life where everything gets handed to you on a platter doesnt mean others do. cars are a necessity. period.

the argument you should be making is for cleaner modes of transportation, including electric or solar cars

You've made a huge pile of assumptions about my life

I'm not saying it's easy, the issue--and what the episode hammered home--is that people will not modify their lives or lifestyles even when the change is desperately needed

cars and ice cream were stand-in objects for the two worst GHG offenders, fossil fuels and animal agriculture

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/veganism-environmental-impact-planet-reduced-plant-based-diet-humans-study-a8378631.html

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/04/animal-agriculture-choking-earth-making-sick-climate-food-environmental-impact-james-cameron-suzy-amis-cameron

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/climate/cows-global-warming.html

https://www.skepticalscience.com/how-much-meat-contribute-to-gw.html

ice cream is straight up unnecessary, and animal agriculture is worse than transportation for the environment

I support cleaner transportation and I also support plant-based lives. I put that into action by not consuming animal products, limiting my driving, and I am in the process of moving to closer to work. It means skimping now, but it'll be much better later
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Zeus
11/19/18 2:33:35 AM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
most people overuse cars. They are, by and large, a convenience item. People can live without them


6oyHViE7fvjYk

Throughout much of the country, going without a car would be a serious impediment.
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Doctor Foxx
11/19/18 2:38:11 AM
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Zeus posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
most people overuse cars. They are, by and large, a convenience item. People can live without them


6oyHViE7fvjYk

Throughout much of the country, going without a car would be a serious impediment.

Serious impediment =/= impossible

it's inconvenient and I cannot deny it

Most people in the US live in urban centres with public transit and have access to transit lines (not a huge majority, but most). American car manufacturers really pushed the everyone needs a vehicle thing, and American life got structured that way. It doesn't have to be like that. It can't stay like that, it's not sustainable. Shit needs to be evaluated and people need to be worrying, like, yesterday
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Zeus
11/19/18 2:43:04 AM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
Zeus posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
most people overuse cars. They are, by and large, a convenience item. People can live without them


6oyHViE7fvjYk

Throughout much of the country, going without a car would be a serious impediment.

Serious impediment =/= impossible

it's inconvenient and I cannot deny it

Most people in the US live in urban centres with public transit and have access to transit lines (not a huge majority, but most). American car manufacturers really pushed the everyone needs a vehicle thing, and American life got structured that way. It doesn't have to be like that. It can't stay like that, it's not sustainable. Shit needs to be evaluated and people need to be worrying, like, yesterday


I'm not talking about people living in urban centers -- although even there you have places where transportation is limited -- I'm talking about MOST of the country. Throughout large chunks of the country, going without a vehicle during winter is almost a death sentence.

Granted, even in cities you'd have some pretty major logistical issues if you didn't rely on automobiles for the transit of goods whether it's b2b or customers trying to bring their stuff home.

And "impossible" is setting a ridiculously high, completely insincere bar.
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Doctor Foxx
11/19/18 2:48:49 AM
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Zeus posted...
I'm not talking about people living in urban centers -- although even there you have places where transportation is limited -- I'm talking about MOST of the country. Throughout large chunks of the country, going without a vehicle during winter is almost a death sentence.

Population-wise, it doesn't apply to most Americans as most Americans live within accessible distance to public transit

Most of the country is nothing

It's the same in Canada... but most of Canada's population has access to transit.

Zeus posted...
Granted, even in cities you'd have some pretty major logistical issues if you didn't rely on automobiles for the transit of goods whether it's b2b or customers trying to bring their stuff home.

And "impossible" is setting a ridiculously high, completely insincere bar.

I managed for nearly an entire decade in several cities, no vehicle. it sucked sometimes but it worked.

the sole standard I set is that people can live without cars. no more or less. how inconvenient life gets without the vehicle is irrelevant. people can live without cars, and most Americans can.

Imagine how much more quickly public transit would improve if everyone had to deal with that hassle and make it a priority
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DirtBasedSoap
11/19/18 3:05:44 AM
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lets all go vegan and stop driving our cars, maaaan
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Doctor Foxx
11/19/18 3:12:41 AM
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DirtBasedSoap posted...
lets all go vegan and stop driving our cars, maaaan

everyone can cut back on eating animal products and using cars

don't have to be an abolitionist to change your habits and make an impact.
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DirtBasedSoap
11/19/18 3:21:19 AM
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whoaaa maaaan
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BlackScythe0
11/19/18 3:28:48 AM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
Zeus posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
most people overuse cars. They are, by and large, a convenience item. People can live without them


6oyHViE7fvjYk

Throughout much of the country, going without a car would be a serious impediment.

Serious impediment =/= impossible

it's inconvenient and I cannot deny it

Most people in the US live in urban centres with public transit and have access to transit lines (not a huge majority, but most). American car manufacturers really pushed the everyone needs a vehicle thing, and American life got structured that way. It doesn't have to be like that. It can't stay like that, it's not sustainable. Shit needs to be evaluated and people need to be worrying, like, yesterday


Most people? I find that... questionable.

I live in a city and public transport here is wildly unreliable. It only runs to each stop like twice or three times a day and doesn't run at night. I've lived in a few states, always in cities, and the only place I ever lived where I remember the public transport being functional was florida, but you didn't want to ride the bus there because of gangs.
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mooreandrew58
11/19/18 5:15:22 AM
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Zeus posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
most people overuse cars. They are, by and large, a convenience item. People can live without them


6oyHViE7fvjYk

Throughout much of the country, going without a car would be a serious impediment.


Yes I've had jobs straight up deny me employment based on me not having a vehicle. Guess they had too many people claim to have a reliable ride to end up constantly calling out with a I don't have a ride excuse.

Hell some jobs Ive applied for even straight up want your driver's license number and I mean jobs where driving wasn't part of the description.
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LaggnFragnLarry
11/19/18 6:28:20 AM
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if everyone just drank more beer we wouldnt need cars
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ernieforss
11/19/18 10:25:14 AM
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LanHikari10 posted...
Can't it be applied to quite a few things?


no, it was about climate change. They talk about the proof, other countries problem too, and how it's the past generations fault. They also talk about the past generation thought they would be dead by the time it happens. Kids can save the world but they don't want to give up stuff. So we are all doomed to climate change.
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Sefrig
11/19/18 11:48:43 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
I live in a city

you can't really just say that, a city can be ten thousand or ten million people
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OhhhJa
11/19/18 12:16:53 PM
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We dont need houses either. Why dont we just live in tents?!
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OhhhJa
11/19/18 12:19:58 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...

but we can all do things to live closer to work

Not if you have a significant other who works nowhere near where you do. Either way, one of us is gonna have to live beyond bicycling distance
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Doctor Foxx
11/19/18 12:27:34 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...

but we can all do things to live closer to work

Not if you have a significant other who works nowhere near where you do. Either way, one of us is gonna have to live beyond bicycling distance

You and everyone else here love coming up with excuses for how car centric America is relative to anywhere else. That still means one partner can be without a car commute

A country where people willingly go for an hour and a half commute to get a cheap house in the suburbs for their job in the city is not the norm. It's America

mooreandrew58 posted...
Yes I've had jobs straight up deny me employment based on me not having a vehicle. Guess they had too many people claim to have a reliable ride to end up constantly calling out with a I don't have a ride excuse.

Hell some jobs Ive applied for even straight up want your driver's license number and I mean jobs where driving wasn't part of the description.

Congrats this is because of the narrative from US auto that every home needs a car. Things have been structured around that for the last 50+years. That's part of what was discussed in the episode. It became a self fulfilling situation. It doesn't have to stay that way

OhhhJa posted...
We dont need houses either. Why dont we just live in tents?!

Only an American would compare a vehicle to shelter
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OhhhJa
11/19/18 12:33:06 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
You and everyone else here love coming up with excuses for how car centric America is relative to anywhere else. That still means one partner can be without a car commute

A country where people willingly go for an hour and a half commute to get a cheap house in the suburbs for their job in the city is not the norm. It's America

This just reeks of pure ignorance on top of so many assumptions. It's like you don't realize people's lives are quite possibly more complicated than yours or something
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OhhhJa
11/19/18 12:33:32 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
Only an American would compare a vehicle to shelter

Way to miss the point as you so often do
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Doctor Foxx
11/19/18 12:37:52 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
You and everyone else here love coming up with excuses for how car centric America is relative to anywhere else. That still means one partner can be without a car commute

A country where people willingly go for an hour and a half commute to get a cheap house in the suburbs for their job in the city is not the norm. It's America

This just reeks of pure ignorance on top of so many assumptions. It's like you don't realize people's lives are quite possibly more complicated than yours or something

People can have complicated lives. I'm stuck with a crappy commute right now too.

It's not all or nothing. People have to make changes, now. By saying not everyone can do it so why bother I feel like you missed last week's episode entirely

OhhhJa posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
Only an American would compare a vehicle to shelter

Way to miss the point as you so often do

You seem to be missing the point of the episode
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OhhhJa
11/19/18 12:44:22 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
By saying not everyone can do it so why bother I feel like you missed last week's episode entirely

And you'd be right. I merely wanted to respond to your assertion that cars are unnecessary.

Doctor Foxx posted...
It's not all or nothing. People have to make changes, now

But saying that cars are relatively unnecessary for most people is just incredibly false
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Doctor Foxx
11/19/18 12:48:05 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
But saying that cars are relatively unnecessary for most people is just incredibly false

They are useful

They are convenient

Most of the world does not use a car

Most of the American population can access public transit

OhhhJa posted...
And you'd be right. I merely wanted to respond to your assertion that cars are unnecessary.

Cars are used in what is often an unnecessary fashion in the US.

People get fucking lazy when they get a car. I know. It happened to me too. You'd be surprised at what you can do without one when you're used to it.
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edededdy
11/19/18 4:02:51 PM
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doctor foxs weak arguments has convinced me to eat more animal products and drive much more frequently.

this is what you get when you insult and make assumptions about others
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SunWuKung420
11/19/18 4:06:19 PM
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Foxx, they are spoiled and soft. They wouldn't last a week without their precious luxuries.
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Sefrig
11/19/18 4:14:43 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
Only an American would compare a vehicle to shelter

Way to miss the point as you so often do

what was your point then? i'm genuinely curious. you unequivocally need shelter, no one would argue that.
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EvilMegas
11/19/18 4:22:28 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
LanHikari10 posted...
Can't it be applied to quite a few things?


Yea after Foxx pointed out climate change it might just be a general reference to the refusal of our government to discuss any issues.

Yeah but it's very openly about climate change if you watch this week's episode

think about the deal Stan made


Dog, this. It has fucking Al Gore in it.
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SmokeMassTree
11/19/18 4:23:09 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
edededdy posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
If you're wondering about the "should I start worrying," it's in reference to events in the US. The Camp fire. Now people are wondering if maybe they should worry

giving up cars and ice cream is unambiguously giving up highly destructive unnecessary goods to prevent further climate change

>cars
>unnecessary

lmfao

most people overuse cars. They are, by and large, a convenience item. People can live without them


If we completely rework how society operates and go back to the way people lived in the 1900s, sure.
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Muffinz0rz
11/19/18 4:30:18 PM
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It has to have been about climate change. They have doubled, tripled, quadrupled down on gun violence (school shootings) in every episode. No reason for them to add another layer to gun violence imo.
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ernieforss
11/19/18 4:46:10 PM
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Muffinz0rz posted...
It has to have been about climate change. They have doubled, tripled, quadrupled down on gun violence (school shootings) in every episode. No reason for them to add another layer to gun violence imo.


it's funny that all the death outside of school was still called school shooting.

Damn wild fire in California is due to those damn school shooting and can't be global warming. Why are they even using scientist to study what happen with the fires in California. We know it's because it's the loners and poor kids in school that want to shoot the school up.
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Doctor Foxx
11/19/18 4:57:09 PM
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edededdy posted...
doctor foxs weak arguments has convinced me to eat more animal products and drive much more frequently.

this is what you get when you insult and make assumptions about others

congrats on being selfish
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Sefrig
11/20/18 8:00:48 AM
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SmokeMassTree posted...
If we completely rework how society operates and go back to the way people lived in the 1900s, sure.

thank you for so succinctly describing what's wrong with most americans

they think being asked to change = being asked to regress
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Xfma100
11/20/18 8:33:55 AM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
They are useful

They are convenient

Most of the world does not use a car

Most of the American population can access public transit


Can I get some sources? I want to be educated on this matter.

For now I'm just going to say that I disagree with the last part. Most of the American population can access public transport? Have you ever traveled across the US?
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Sefrig
11/20/18 9:11:08 AM
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PyroBlade1985 posted...
Are people in this topic SERIOUSLY talking about getting rid of cars? I thought POTD was better than this!

more like reducing car use and improving public transit but whatever fits ur narrative
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Blighboy
11/20/18 10:26:51 AM
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Yeah in the long term countries will need to develop efficient public transit systems that will work for most people.

If all of China and India were to start driving that would probably end the world right there.
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OhhhJa
11/20/18 10:29:01 AM
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I think they were definitely making a political statement with the episode but the debate in this topic ironically reminds me of "the poop that took a pee" episode
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Doctor Foxx
11/20/18 12:47:14 PM
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Xfma100 posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
They are useful

They are convenient

Most of the world does not use a car

Most of the American population can access public transit


Can I get some sources? I want to be educated on this matter.

For now I'm just going to say that I disagree with the last part. Most of the American population can access public transport? Have you ever traveled across the US?

I lived in the US and traveled a decent amount

Most Americans live in centres with transit

I'm not saying it's good. But it's there. It needs to be improved

https://www.apta.com/mediacenter/ptbenefits/Pages/FactSheet.aspx

The problem is most Americans say that they support public transit and then... Use their cars

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2017-12-18/who-takes-the-bus-or-train-not-many-americans

When people like musk are suggesting personal transport pods instead of improved transit, that's fucked
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OhhhJa
11/20/18 2:08:51 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
Foxx, they are spoiled and soft. They wouldn't last a week without their precious luxuries.

Says the part time diner cook whose wife pays the bills
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Muscles
11/20/18 2:25:23 PM
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I think people are forgetting that cars are about freedom

The freedom to go where you want when you want, and not have to stick to a bus/train schedule

Cars are about more than getting from point a to point b, its about getting from point a to point b on your time, no one else's
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