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See, heres the thing: Hawaii is expensive af. Since prices are so high, places cant afford to pay high wages. $5 footlongs at Subway were $6, and the prices only increased. Those $5 fill ups at KFC are $8. Gas is usually near $4.

People have to realize that theyre going to have to either make sacrifices or work harder if they want to live here. There are plenty of places where jobs like that can easily be enough, but theyre not as nice as Hawaii. So when people want the beauty of Hawaii without the cost, it gives off an air of entitlement.
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

See, heres the thing: Hawaii is expensive af. Since prices are so high, places cant afford to pay high wages. $5 footlongs at Subway were $6, and the prices only increased. Those $5 fill ups at KFC are $8. Gas is usually near $4.

People have to realize that theyre going to have to either make sacrifices or work harder if they want to live here. There are plenty of places where jobs like that can easily be enough, but theyre not as nice as Hawaii. So when people want the beauty of Hawaii without the cost, it gives off an air of entitlement.

Hawaii isn't the only state that is expensive.
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No, but it is the most expensive. And like I said many times, they really shouldnt expect jobs like that to be able to support them in the most expensive state. Plus its not like there arent cheap places to live in America.
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"PS4 is worth it for the exclusives!"

Bullshit. I thought about getting a discounted PS4 a few days ago, so I went to check out the exclusive titles on the system.. There are very few outstanding exclusives, certainly not enough to justify buying the console. Literally only two that I would purchase. Most of them looked lame as fuck tbh.
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

See, heres the thing: Hawaii is expensive af. Since prices are so high, places cant afford to pay high wages. $5 footlongs at Subway were $6, and the prices only increased. Those $5 fill ups at KFC are $8. Gas is usually near $4.

People have to realize that theyre going to have to either make sacrifices or work harder if they want to live here. There are plenty of places where jobs like that can easily be enough, but theyre not as nice as Hawaii. So when people want the beauty of Hawaii without the cost, it gives off an air of entitlement.

Five dollar footings haven't been five dollars anywhere in years.
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Anteaterking posted...

tote_all posted...

What does that have to do with communism?

When you say "It only works on paper", the usual implication is "It only works on paper, because it's failed every time that it's been attempted" even if you coach it in language like "human nature". But if the reason that communism has always failed in real life is that the US has tried to stop it from succeeding, that really says little about the hypothetical success of that system.

It'd be like if I said to you that bars "just don't work" in my hometown, because they always lasted a month before having to close due to lack of business, but disregarded the fact that I regularly firebombed bars in my hometown.

Except that's just post hoc bullshit peddled by literal communists who refuse to accept that the communist experiments in the 1900s were catastrophic failures.

As we'd expect from an incoherent and violent workldview from the 1800s.
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JacquesArch posted...

"PS4 is worth it for the exclusives!"

Bullshit. I thought about getting a discounted PS4 a few days ago, so I went to check out the exclusive titles on the system.. There are very few outstanding exclusives, certainly not enough to justify buying the console. Literally only two that I would purchase. Most of them looked lame as fuck tbh.

Really?

What are your two?

I'm curious
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The_Ivory_Man posted...

JacquesArch posted...

"PS4 is worth it for the exclusives!"

Bullshit. I thought about getting a discounted PS4 a few days ago, so I went to check out the exclusive titles on the system.. There are very few outstanding exclusives, certainly not enough to justify buying the console. Literally only two that I would purchase. Most of them looked lame as fuck tbh.

Really?

What are your two?

I'm curious

Horizon Zero Dawn and Final Fantasy 14

Considered Dragon Quest and the newer "Shadow of Collosus" game but, eh.

Certainly not enough to justify a new console this late into the game
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

No, but it is the most expensive. And like I said many times, they really shouldnt expect jobs like that to be able to support them in the most expensive state. Plus its not like there arent cheap places to live in America.

Where are these cheap places? I live in Tennessee and you basically need 55k(if you don't have student loans, car note, and other debt) to basically live by yourself in a comfortable area or not in BFE.
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JacquesArch posted...

The_Ivory_Man posted...

JacquesArch posted...

"PS4 is worth it for the exclusives!"

Bullshit. I thought about getting a discounted PS4 a few days ago, so I went to check out the exclusive titles on the system.. There are very few outstanding exclusives, certainly not enough to justify buying the console. Literally only two that I would purchase. Most of them looked lame as fuck tbh.

Really?

What are your two?

I'm curious

Horizon Zero Dawn and Final Fantasy 14

Considered Dragon Quest and the newer "Shadow of Collosus" game but, eh.

Certainly not enough to justify a new console this late into the game

Not the two I'd expect.

I was thinking more Yakuza, Bloodborne, Spider-Man or God of War.

Well personally I didn't like Horizon Zero Dawn, thought it was over hyped.
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The_Ivory_Man posted...

JacquesArch posted...

The_Ivory_Man posted...

JacquesArch posted...

"PS4 is worth it for the exclusives!"

Bullshit. I thought about getting a discounted PS4 a few days ago, so I went to check out the exclusive titles on the system.. There are very few outstanding exclusives, certainly not enough to justify buying the console. Literally only two that I would purchase. Most of them looked lame as fuck tbh.

Really?

What are your two?

I'm curious

Horizon Zero Dawn and Final Fantasy 14

Considered Dragon Quest and the newer "Shadow of Collosus" game but, eh.

Certainly not enough to justify a new console this late into the game

Not the two I'd expect.

I was thinking more Yakuza, Bloodborne, Spider-Man or God of War.

Well personally I didn't like Horizon Zero Dawn, thought it was over hyped.

I'm not into hack and slash games really, although i've heard good things about god of war. I'm not into superhero or comics whatsoever so spider man was not even on my radar. Not saying that their list of exclusives is a total joke, but was not as good as I was led to believe by the gaming community at large after researching. The Switch has a better list of exclusives, tbh.
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

See, heres the thing: Hawaii is expensive af. Since prices are so high, places cant afford to pay high wages. $5 footlongs at Subway were $6, and the prices only increased. Those $5 fill ups at KFC are $8. Gas is usually near $4.

People have to realize that theyre going to have to either make sacrifices or work harder if they want to live here. There are plenty of places where jobs like that can easily be enough, but theyre not as nice as Hawaii. So when people want the beauty of Hawaii without the cost, it gives off an air of entitlement.

people should have food and shelter regardless of where they live
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creativerealms posted...

Five dollar footings haven't been five dollars anywhere in years.

Also the myth that Subway is any good
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averagejoel posted...

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

See, heres the thing: Hawaii is expensive af. Since prices are so high, places cant afford to pay high wages. $5 footlongs at Subway were $6, and the prices only increased. Those $5 fill ups at KFC are $8. Gas is usually near $4.

People have to realize that theyre going to have to either make sacrifices or work harder if they want to live here. There are plenty of places where jobs like that can easily be enough, but theyre not as nice as Hawaii. So when people want the beauty of Hawaii without the cost, it gives off an air of entitlement.

people should have food and shelter regardless of where they live

I'm still waiting for my response to his cheap mainland american paradise where I can make minimum wage and live comfortably by myself.
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JBaLLEN66 posted...

I'm still waiting for my response to his cheap mainland american paradise where I can make minimum wage and live comfortably by myself.

The number of working class people who are above 16 years of age and earning minimum wage is really low. Just 2% last I checked.

And the median wage in most states allows you to live comfortably. Whether or not that's by yourself depends on the city, but living by yourself is not an entitlement. It's a privilege you have to earn. Nothing wrong with having room mates or splitting rent with a significant other.
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Greedo shot first.
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Surgeons actually know anything about medicine.
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JBaLLEN66 posted...

averagejoel posted...

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

See, heres the thing: Hawaii is expensive af. Since prices are so high, places cant afford to pay high wages. $5 footlongs at Subway were $6, and the prices only increased. Those $5 fill ups at KFC are $8. Gas is usually near $4.

People have to realize that theyre going to have to either make sacrifices or work harder if they want to live here. There are plenty of places where jobs like that can easily be enough, but theyre not as nice as Hawaii. So when people want the beauty of Hawaii without the cost, it gives off an air of entitlement.

people should have food and shelter regardless of where they live

I'm still waiting for my response to his cheap mainland american paradise where I can make minimum wage and live comfortably by myself.

Sorry, but human beings need this thing known as "sleep". And I never said people can or should live off minimum wage, because IMO, they shouldn't. Minimum wage is just that; minimum. It's not called livable wage.

But like I said, why do you have to live by yourself? If you are making only minimum, you shouldn't expect the luxury of having a place all to yourself.

However, here are some places where those workers could've lived by themselves:

Alabama
Detroit
Mississippi
Tennessee
Ohio
Texas
Georgia
Indiana
Louisiana
Iowa
North Carolina
Milwaukee
Oklahoma
Missouri
Cincinatti

All these states have places where the cost of living is under $40K, well under the $50K that those workers were already making before the strike. If they had just avoided the most expensive state in the nation and done a little research, they would be able to live comfortably on their current salary.
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Pathetic mortals and their need for rest...Why can you not simply stay awake and remain on CE your entire lives?

Seriously though, it really doesn't make sense to have a $30/hour minimum wage.
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ArchiePeck posted...

That the PSP was a flop.

Was it convincingly outsold by it's main rival? Yes, but the DS is the second best selling system of all time. The PSP still sold over 80 MILLION units and is one of the top ten best selling systems ever, far ahead of the likes of the NES, SNES, N64, every Xbox...

The PSP is also a great system tbh, maybe as good as the DS
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

JBaLLEN66 posted...

averagejoel posted...

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

See, heres the thing: Hawaii is expensive af. Since prices are so high, places cant afford to pay high wages. $5 footlongs at Subway were $6, and the prices only increased. Those $5 fill ups at KFC are $8. Gas is usually near $4.

People have to realize that theyre going to have to either make sacrifices or work harder if they want to live here. There are plenty of places where jobs like that can easily be enough, but theyre not as nice as Hawaii. So when people want the beauty of Hawaii without the cost, it gives off an air of entitlement.

people should have food and shelter regardless of where they live

I'm still waiting for my response to his cheap mainland american paradise where I can make minimum wage and live comfortably by myself.

Sorry, but human beings need this thing known as "sleep". And I never said people can or should live off minimum wage, because IMO, they shouldn't. Minimum wage is just that; minimum. It's not called livable wage.

But like I said, why do you have to live by yourself? If you are making only minimum, you shouldn't expect the luxury of having a place all to yourself.

However, here are some places where those workers could've lived by themselves:

Alabama
Detroit
Mississippi
Tennessee
Ohio
Texas
Georgia
Indiana
Louisiana
Iowa
North Carolina
Milwaukee
Oklahoma
Missouri
Cincinatti

All these states have places where the cost of living is under $40K, well under the $50K that those workers were already making before the strike. If they had just avoided the most expensive state in the nation and done a little research, they would be able to live comfortably on their current salary.

what I'm getting from this is that you want Hawaii, and all major cities, to be playgrounds for the wealthy
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HylianFox posted...

creativerealms posted...

Five dollar footings haven't been five dollars anywhere in years.

Also the myth that Subway is any good

Those are fighting words, partner.
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

Anti-245 posted...

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

When the hotel they booked is shut down and they have no place to stay? Or if theyre unable to have the wedding that theyve planned for months? Yeah, I cant imagine that being very enjoyable.

Good job dodging my question in the previous post though.

That's because it has nothing to do with what we're talking about. Teenagers are not adults.

*Cough* 18 *cough*

Seriously, tell me why anyone, regardless of age, should be given that much money for such a menial task. Since you know, it's the same job, whether it's performed by a 16-year-old, or a 60-year-old.

The answer changes with age. Most teens can still rely on their parents for shelter and generally don't have as much responsibilities as adults.
Adults should, however, have enough income without having to work at several different places despite their experience level of they work. These people are not slaves and shouldn't be treated as such especially given how if hotel workers stopped what they were doing the hotel would shut down.
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Do you seriously not understand that certain places are more appealing than others, and thus come with a higher price tag? Should a Ferrari cost the same as Camry? Not to mention that Hawaii needs to ship tons of stuff in, raising the prices. If you can't afford it and aren't willing to compromise by getting another job or a roommate, then too bad. No state owes you anything, and it's not a right for people to live there. And you're more than welcome to move to one of the many other more affordable states that I mentioned.
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

JBaLLEN66 posted...

averagejoel posted...

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

See, heres the thing: Hawaii is expensive af. Since prices are so high, places cant afford to pay high wages. $5 footlongs at Subway were $6, and the prices only increased. Those $5 fill ups at KFC are $8. Gas is usually near $4.

People have to realize that theyre going to have to either make sacrifices or work harder if they want to live here. There are plenty of places where jobs like that can easily be enough, but theyre not as nice as Hawaii. So when people want the beauty of Hawaii without the cost, it gives off an air of entitlement.

people should have food and shelter regardless of where they live

I'm still waiting for my response to his cheap mainland american paradise where I can make minimum wage and live comfortably by myself.

Sorry, but human beings need this thing known as "sleep". And I never said people can or should live off minimum wage, because IMO, they shouldn't. Minimum wage is just that; minimum. It's not called livable wage.

But like I said, why do you have to live by yourself? If you are making only minimum, you shouldn't expect the luxury of having a place all to yourself.

However, here are some places where those workers could've lived by themselves:

Alabama
Detroit
Mississippi
Tennessee
Ohio
Texas
Georgia
Indiana
Louisiana
Iowa
North Carolina
Milwaukee
Oklahoma
Missouri
Cincinatti

All these states have places where the cost of living is under $40K, well under the $50K that those workers were already making before the strike. If they had just avoided the most expensive state in the nation and done a little research, they would be able to live comfortably on their current salary.

Most of those states lack well paying jobs considering that people still work two or three just to survive there. Some of them also lack ways to help people who are struggling to get by because they're run by republicans or corporate democrats.
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

Do you seriously not understand that certain places are more appealing than others, and thus come with a higher price tag? Should a Ferrari cost the same as Camry? Not to mention that Hawaii needs to ship tons of stuff in, raising the prices. If you can't afford it and aren't willing to compromise by getting another job or a roommate, then too bad. No state owes you anything, and it's not a right for people to live there. And you're more than welcome to move to one of the many other more affordable states that I mentioned.

States do owe people a quality of life else the state is useless. Why do you think they aid corporate power? Because they expect the state to help them but the average person can't be helped for some reason?
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

Do you seriously not understand that certain places are more appealing than others, and thus come with a higher price tag? Should a Ferrari cost the same as Camry? Not to mention that Hawaii needs to ship tons of stuff in, raising the prices. If you can't afford it and aren't willing to compromise by getting another job or a roommate, then too bad. No state owes you anything, and it's not a right for people to live there. And you're more than welcome to move to one of the many other more affordable states that I mentioned.

so you do want hawaii to be a playground for the wealthy. good to know
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And Anti, tell me why any adult doing such unskilled labor should be making around $70K a year. Why should anyone be entitled to live here when they know that it's more expensive to get supplies here?
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averagejoel posted...

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

Do you seriously not understand that certain places are more appealing than others, and thus come with a higher price tag? Should a Ferrari cost the same as Camry? Not to mention that Hawaii needs to ship tons of stuff in, raising the prices. If you can't afford it and aren't willing to compromise by getting another job or a roommate, then too bad. No state owes you anything, and it's not a right for people to live there. And you're more than welcome to move to one of the many other more affordable states that I mentioned.

so you do want hawaii to be a playground for the wealthy. good to know

So you're either just a troll or extremely obtuse. Good to know.
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It's also strange that you're advocating these type of things considering how the U.S. obtained Hawaii in the first place.
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

And Anti, tell me why any adult doing such unskilled labor should be making around $70K a year. Why should anyone be entitled to live here when they know that it's more expensive to get supplies here?

there are people doing no labor who make much more than $70K a year
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

And Anti, tell me why any adult doing such unskilled labor should be making around $70K a year. Why should anyone be entitled to live here when they know that it's more expensive to get supplies here?

Simple, they helped produced the profits. They deserve them as much a ceo claims he or she does.
Now, why are corporations owed billions of dollars in welfare when they have made people's lives worse over the last few decades?
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averagejoel posted...

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

And Anti, tell me why any adult doing such unskilled labor should be making around $70K a year. Why should anyone be entitled to live here when they know that it's more expensive to get supplies here?

there are people doing no labor who make much more than $70K a year

Like doctors and lawyers? Because they had to work hard to get their degrees. People just standing around saying "Would you like fries with that?" hardly deserve a salary anywhere near $70K
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

averagejoel posted...

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

And Anti, tell me why any adult doing such unskilled labor should be making around $70K a year. Why should anyone be entitled to live here when they know that it's more expensive to get supplies here?

there are people doing no labor who make much more than $70K a year

Like doctors and lawyers? Because they had to work hard to get their degrees. People just standing around saying "Would you like fries with that?" hardly deserve a salary anywhere near $70K

doctors and lawyers do labor. I'm talking about CEOs and shareholders
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"There is no Nobel prize for Mathematics because Nobel's wife cheated on him with a Mathematician"
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Anti-245 posted...

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

And Anti, tell me why any adult doing such unskilled labor should be making around $70K a year. Why should anyone be entitled to live here when they know that it's more expensive to get supplies here?

Simple, they helped produced the profits. They deserve them as much a ceo claims he or she does.
Now, why are corporations owed billions of dollars in welfare when they have made people's lives worse over the last few decades?

So you honestly would like McDonald's to triple their starting salary? What do you think happens...That the company's profit magically triples to cover that as well?
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averagejoel posted...

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

averagejoel posted...

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

And Anti, tell me why any adult doing such unskilled labor should be making around $70K a year. Why should anyone be entitled to live here when they know that it's more expensive to get supplies here?

there are people doing no labor who make much more than $70K a year

Like doctors and lawyers? Because they had to work hard to get their degrees. People just standing around saying "Would you like fries with that?" hardly deserve a salary anywhere near $70K

doctors and lawyers do labor. I'm talking about CEOs and shareholders

And you think that CEOs and shareholders just did nothing to get where they are?
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

averagejoel posted...

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

And Anti, tell me why any adult doing such unskilled labor should be making around $70K a year. Why should anyone be entitled to live here when they know that it's more expensive to get supplies here?

there are people doing no labor who make much more than $70K a year

Like doctors and lawyers? Because they had to work hard to get their degrees. People just standing around saying "Would you like fries with that?" hardly deserve a salary anywhere near $70K

Without them, CEOs would go broke.
Without CEOs, workers still work and generate wealth. It's not hard to see who's truly needed and who isn't. And how have you determined lawyers deserve that much? I could see doctors but why lawyers?
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

averagejoel posted...

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

averagejoel posted...

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

And Anti, tell me why any adult doing such unskilled labor should be making around $70K a year. Why should anyone be entitled to live here when they know that it's more expensive to get supplies here?

there are people doing no labor who make much more than $70K a year

Like doctors and lawyers? Because they had to work hard to get their degrees. People just standing around saying "Would you like fries with that?" hardly deserve a salary anywhere near $70K

doctors and lawyers do labor. I'm talking about CEOs and shareholders

And you think that CEOs and shareholders just did nothing to get where they are?

irrelevant. they make money by owning things rather than doing things.
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

Anti-245 posted...

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

And Anti, tell me why any adult doing such unskilled labor should be making around $70K a year. Why should anyone be entitled to live here when they know that it's more expensive to get supplies here?

Simple, they helped produced the profits. They deserve them as much a ceo claims he or she does.
Now, why are corporations owed billions of dollars in welfare when they have made people's lives worse over the last few decades?

So you honestly would like McDonald's to triple their starting salary? What do you think happens...That the company's profit magically triples to cover that as well?

I mean if they can afford to pay CEOs thousands of times the rate workers make, I don't see why not. Productivity still increases, wages stagnate and corporate profits are through the roof? Why?
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averagejoel posted...

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

averagejoel posted...

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

averagejoel posted...

fuzzylittlbunny posted...

And Anti, tell me why any adult doing such unskilled labor should be making around $70K a year. Why should anyone be entitled to live here when they know that it's more expensive to get supplies here?

there are people doing no labor who make much more than $70K a year

Like doctors and lawyers? Because they had to work hard to get their degrees. People just standing around saying "Would you like fries with that?" hardly deserve a salary anywhere near $70K

doctors and lawyers do labor. I'm talking about CEOs and shareholders

And you think that CEOs and shareholders just did nothing to get where they are?

irrelevant. they make money by owning things rather than doing things.

I guess he thinks CEOs work over a thousand times as hard as the rest of us.
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Anti-245 posted...

Without them, CEOs would go broke.
Without CEOs, workers still work and generate wealth. It's not hard to see who's truly needed and who isn't. And how have you determined lawyers deserve that much? I could see doctors but why lawyers?

Without anyone running the company there would be no place to work. And lawyers need to study up on law. Are you saying that a fast food cashier deserves as much as a lawyer?

averagejoel posted...

irrelevant. they make money by owning things rather than doing things.

What does it matter how one makes money? I'm making money as my Roth IRA grows. Porn stars make money just by fucking. People make money playing video games. There are all those people making money for the stupidest shit on YouTube.
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

And Anti, tell me why any adult doing such unskilled labor should be making around $70K a year. Why should anyone be entitled to live here when they know that it's more expensive to get supplies here?

Also, several scientific fields require rigorous work, much more than lawyers and doctors, but they're not paid nearly at the same even though they contribute much more to society.
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

Anti-245 posted...

Without them, CEOs would go broke.
Without CEOs, workers still work and generate wealth. It's not hard to see who's truly needed and who isn't. And how have you determined lawyers deserve that much? I could see doctors but why lawyers?

Without anyone running the company there would be no place to work. And lawyers need to study up on law. Are you saying that a fast food cashier deserves as much as a lawyer?

averagejoel posted...

irrelevant. they make money by owning things rather than doing things.

What does it matter how one makes money? I'm making money as my Roth IRA grows. Porn stars make money just by fucking. People make money playing video games. There are all those people making money for the stupidest shit on YouTube.

They should be paid enough to survive comfortably, I've already explained that. No, without workers, there wouldn't be any jobs at all. CEOs simply "run" these places but they're entirely unnecessary which is why they're replaced and most of the workforce continue. If the workforce disappears, you're left with a ceo with no way to generate profits.
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Anti-245 posted...

I mean if they can afford to pay CEOs thousands of times the rate workers make, I don't see why not. Productivity still increases, wages stagnate and corporate profits are through the roof? Why?

Because there are thousands of CEOs in a company, right?Anti-245 posted...

Also, several scientific fields require rigorous work, much more than lawyers and doctors, but they're not paid nearly at the same even though they contribute much more to society.

How did we even get this far off track? It would be great if people could be paid more if they contribute that much. However, this kind of screws over your initial argument. You think a fast food worker or GameStop employee is worth $70K a year?
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Also, why are businesses owed welfare? Wasn't answered so I'll ask again.
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

What does it matter how one makes money? I'm making money as my Roth IRA grows. Porn stars make money just by fucking. People make money playing video games. There are all those people making money for the stupidest shit on YouTube.

it matters because some people (e.g. CEOs, shareholders, landlords) make money by exploiting others, while some people don't.
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fuzzylittlbunny posted...

Anti-245 posted...

I mean if they can afford to pay CEOs thousands of times the rate workers make, I don't see why not. Productivity still increases, wages stagnate and corporate profits are through the roof? Why?

Because there are thousands of CEOs in a company, right?Anti-245 posted...

Also, several scientific fields require rigorous work, much more than lawyers and doctors, but they're not paid nearly at the same even though they contribute much more to society.

How did we even get this far off track? It would be great if people could be paid more if they contribute that much. However, this kind of screws over your initial argument. You think a fast food worker or GameStop employee is worth $70K a year?

They produce wealth and they should enjoy it without having it snatched by the corporate elite. How would you determine who deserves what in wage labor?
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Why should a person doing such unskilled work make so much money? Wasn't answered so I'll ask again. Unless you think salting fries is "contributing a lot".
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