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hombad46
04/30/19 11:24:00 AM
#51:


Decided to split mine into tiers

Top 5
Captain America
Iron Man
Spider-Man
Thor
Rocket Raccoon

S tier
Doctor Strange
Ant-Man
Groot
Star-Lord

Great tier
Hulk
Black Widow
Gamora
Nick Fury
Nebula
Hawkeye

Pretty good tier
Drax the Destroyer
Falcon
Winter Soldier
Scarlet Witch
Black Panther

I need to rewatch their movies tier
War Machine
Mantis
Vision
Okoye
Wong
Wasp
Shuri

Go away tier
Captain Marvel
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Snrkiko
04/30/19 11:31:25 AM
#52:


hombad46 posted...
Decided to split mine into tiers

Top 5
Captain America
Iron Man
Spider-Man
Thor
Rocket Raccoon

S tier
Doctor Strange
Ant-Man
Groot
Star-Lord

Great tier
Hulk
Black Widow
Gamora
Nick Fury
Nebula
Hawkeye

Pretty good tier
Drax the Destroyer
Falcon
Winter Soldier
Scarlet Witch
Black Panther

I need to rewatch their movies tier
War Machine
Mantis
Vision
Okoye
Wong
Wasp
Shuri

Go away tier
Captain Marvel

i agree with this but thor is my #1
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scarletspeed7
04/30/19 11:37:31 AM
#53:


People who like the Scarlet Witch in the MCU gotta explain it to me, because she has no personality and she does nothing.
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PrivateBiscuit1
04/30/19 11:43:28 AM
#54:


scarletspeed7 posted...
People who like the Scarlet Witch in the MCU gotta explain it to me, because she has no personality and she does nothing.

Maybe I can explain.

I absolutely hate Scarlet Witch in the comics and literally everything else but the MCU. I think the character sucks and her powers are dumb.

But in the MCU, I agree she doesn't have much of a personality, but her powers are just so cool to watch like this in live action, and she comes across as such a powerhouse that's only contained by her stupid frail human body. When she let's loose, she has arguably the coolest parts of the movies she's in. I could watch her do cool totally-not-magic-or-chaos-powers all day.

I can sympathize with her character far more than any other media too, because she's just a lost, scared girl trying to make due with what she's got. She's fallible. She doesn't have an ego about her. But she just wants to make up for her life and do good things.

I find that character refreshing and her powers actually cool because they don't have to explain them much.
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Murphiroth
04/30/19 11:44:36 AM
#55:


The rat that let Scott out of the quantum realm was a shapeshifted Loki and this will be revealed in the Disney+ series.

Calling it now.

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scarletspeed7
04/30/19 12:01:59 PM
#56:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
I absolutely hate Scarlet Witch in the comics and literally everything else but the MCU. I think the character sucks and her powers are dumb.

But in the MCU, I agree she doesn't have much of a personality, but her powers are just so cool to watch like this in live action, and she comes across as such a powerhouse that's only contained by her stupid frail human body. When she let's loose, she has arguably the coolest parts of the movies she's in. I could watch her do cool totally-not-magic-or-chaos-powers all day.

Okay, I can understand that. I guess I just don't care about special effects anymore. I've been pretty well inured by them, and I really only care about unique usages of abilities. Someone like John Constantine is more interesting to me because he tends to rely on NOT using his powers.
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scarletspeed7
04/30/19 12:02:50 PM
#57:


Murphiroth posted...
The rat that let Scott out of the quantum realm was a shapeshifted Loki and this will be revealed in the Disney+ series.

Calling it now.

Probably wrong cause he's dead in the main timeline but whatever.

I'm going to guess that the Loki series is a sequel and not a prequel of some sort. Hell, Loki is the ultimate in illusory and shapeshifting nonsense, so his death is easily erased.
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CoolCly
04/30/19 12:11:39 PM
#58:


my single timeline headcanon has been officially destroyed
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PrivateBiscuit1
04/30/19 12:12:05 PM
#59:


scarletspeed7 posted...
Okay, I can understand that. I guess I just don't care about special effects anymore. I've been pretty well inured by them, and I really only care about unique usages of abilities. Someone like John Constantine is more interesting to me because he tends to rely on NOT using his powers.

Right. I actually think her abilities stand out in these movies too, which I think helps.

Scarlet Witch is actually my girlfriend's second favorite after Doctor Strange, and she's not nearly as immersed in all of this as I am. But she tells me her favorite part of each movie she's in are the parts with Scarlet Witch. I find it hard to agree with her. In particular, her face off with Thanos was totally awesome. It was among my favorite parts in this movie.
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scarletspeed7
04/30/19 12:12:35 PM
#60:


Hey, does anyone think the first episode of What If? that features the supposed last MCU appearance of Chris Evans is going to be based around this split timeline situation?
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RyoCaliente
04/30/19 12:16:06 PM
#61:


Just came back from watching the movie. Reeeeaaally enjoyed it a lot. It was a shame that certain characters didn't really get a chance to show off, but I can also understand and accept that this movie was mainly about Cap and IM, and Hulk, Thor, BW and Hawkeye.

Movie rankings seems right, character rankings did have me somewhat surprised:

The Avengers
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Black Panther
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Avengers: Endgame
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Captain Marvel
Captain America: The First Avenger
Iron Man
Iron Man 3
Iron Man 2
Thor: The Dark World
Thor: Ragnarok
Captain America: Civil War
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
The Incredible Hulk
Thor
Ant-Man
Doctor Strange
Guardians of the Galaxy
Avengers: Infinity War

Captain America
Gamora
Thor
Rocket Raccoon
Scarlet Witch
Captain Marvel
Iron Man
Wasp
Spider-Man
Hulk
Hawkeye
Okoye
Shuri
Nick Fury
Ant-Man
Black Panther
Doctor Strange
Black Widow
Winter Soldier
Drax the Destroyer
Falcon
Vision
Star-Lord
Nebula
War Machine
Groot
Mantis
Wong
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Murphiroth
04/30/19 12:16:40 PM
#62:


scarletspeed7 posted...
Hey, does anyone think the first episode of What If? that features the supposed last MCU appearance of Chris Evans is going to be based around this split timeline situation?


That sounds likely.
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davidponte
04/30/19 12:16:55 PM
#63:


John Constantine is one of the greatest comic book characters in general though, so it'd be tough for anyone to compare to him.
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Snrkiko
04/30/19 12:20:42 PM
#64:


scarletspeed7 posted...
Hey, does anyone think the first episode of What If? that features the supposed last MCU appearance of Chris Evans is going to be based around this split timeline situation?

wait what is What If?
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Murphiroth
04/30/19 12:21:35 PM
#65:


Snrkiko posted...
scarletspeed7 posted...
Hey, does anyone think the first episode of What If? that features the supposed last MCU appearance of Chris Evans is going to be based around this split timeline situation?

wait what is What If?


Disney+ animated series based on the idea of What If? comics but for the MCU.
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CoolCly
04/30/19 12:22:43 PM
#66:


Seems likely the Loki series in particular will be based entirely around the What If Loki escaped from New York with the Tessaract scenario.
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TotallyNotMI
04/30/19 12:23:38 PM
#67:


I'm 90% sure I remember reading Chris Evan's 'What If' episode would be 'What if Peggy Carter took the Super Soldier serum'.
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Bane_Of_Despair
04/30/19 12:23:50 PM
#68:


RyoCaliente posted...
The Avengers
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Black Panther
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Avengers: Endgame
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Captain Marvel
Captain America: The First Avenger
Iron Man
Iron Man 3
Iron Man 2
Thor: The Dark World
Thor: Ragnarok
Captain America: Civil War
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
The Incredible Hulk
Thor
Ant-Man
Doctor Strange
Guardians of the Galaxy
Avengers: Infinity War

I'm sorry but what on earth is this ranking
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skullbone
04/30/19 12:24:27 PM
#69:


TotallyNotMI posted...
I'm 90% sure I remember reading Chris Evan's 'What If' episode would be 'What if Peggy Carter took the Super Soldier serum'.


Yes and I think the 2nd part of that is Steve Rogers becomes her 1940s Iron Man buddy or something
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profDEADPOOL
04/30/19 12:25:40 PM
#70:


Bane_Of_Despair posted...
RyoCaliente posted...
The Avengers
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Black Panther
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Avengers: Endgame
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Captain Marvel
Captain America: The First Avenger
Iron Man
Iron Man 3
Iron Man 2
Thor: The Dark World
Thor: Ragnarok
Captain America: Civil War
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
The Incredible Hulk
Thor
Ant-Man
Doctor Strange
Guardians of the Galaxy
Avengers: Infinity War

I'm sorry but what on earth is this ranking

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scarletspeed7
04/30/19 12:26:31 PM
#71:


That could still totally happen in that What If scenario. I think the Russos confirmed that universe had two Steve Rogers now.
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HanOfTheNekos
04/30/19 12:33:53 PM
#72:


It does, but one is frozen in ice.
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scarletspeed7
04/30/19 12:34:58 PM
#73:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
It does, but one is frozen in ice.

Not trying to be argumentative, but if the timeline is "Peggy becomes Cap", doesn't that throw the entire timeline of Steve Rogers in doubt?
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HanOfTheNekos
04/30/19 12:40:28 PM
#74:


Oh, I'm expecting that not to be the timeline he goes to. Destroys the "Peggy as Cap" narrative, if Cap is just... there.

Makes more sense for Cap to go to a timeline where Peggy already loves him. Makes less sense for them to keep Cap on ice, though.

Cap goes to a timeline where Peggy already loves him, but says "I'm that guy but from 80 years in the future but only 10 years older and also I boinked your granddaughter. Also, let's ignore the me that's frozen in ice somewhere".

Ok, maybe it makes more sense for this to be a universe where Peg is Cap.
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Snrkiko
04/30/19 12:42:27 PM
#75:


was agent carter worth watching?
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NBIceman
04/30/19 12:44:58 PM
#76:


I wouldn't go super far out of my way to watch it or anything but I found it enjoyable enough for what it was.
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HanOfTheNekos
04/30/19 12:46:55 PM
#77:


Snrkiko posted...
was agent carter worth watching?


I thought so. It's a network show, so not quite as crazy as the Netflix shows get. But between Peggy, Howard Stark(ish), and Jarvis, you have an awesome main cast to follow.

It's short enough that it's not a big commitment, either.
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Snrkiko
04/30/19 12:46:58 PM
#78:


ok. maybe I'll check it out since it seems much more digestible than the multiple season of agents of shield

also... i guess daredevil and the other netflix heroes just don't matter in the mcu?
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scarletspeed7
04/30/19 12:47:38 PM
#79:


They can't be used for two years due to the Netflix deal, so it's possible they never show up in the MCU films at this point.
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Bane_Of_Despair
04/30/19 12:48:18 PM
#80:


Geez this character ranking one is hard
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Snrkiko
04/30/19 12:50:36 PM
#81:


Bane_Of_Despair posted...
Geez this character ranking one is hard

Thor
Spidey
the rest
carol danvers
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Bane_Of_Despair
04/30/19 12:51:37 PM
#82:


Carol is definitely not last for me but those are a good top 2 at least
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scarletspeed7
04/30/19 12:57:25 PM
#83:


I'm prepared for the hate:

Doctor Strange
Ant-Man
Mantis
Thor
Nebula
Drax the Destroyer
Black Panther
Iron Man
Spider-Man
Nick Fury
Captain America
Hawkeye
Vision
Hulk
Wasp
Gamora
Star-Lord
Wong
Okoye
Shuri
Captain Marvel
Falcon
Black Widow
War Machine
Rocket Raccoon
Groot
Scarlet Witch
Winter Soldier
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Bane_Of_Despair
04/30/19 12:58:47 PM
#84:


yea that's not a great one for me either

it's not like I dislike any character but still
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Snrkiko
04/30/19 12:59:50 PM
#85:


Bane_Of_Despair posted...
Carol is definitely not last for me but those are a good top 2 at least

you know what actually

i care very little for mcu hulk

i mostly blame allllllll of the incredible awkwardness between ruffalo an Johansson in those forced scenes
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NBIceman
04/30/19 1:00:13 PM
#86:


What makes Mantis that high for you, scarlet?
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Murphiroth
04/30/19 1:00:34 PM
#87:


Mantis high up is good even if I disagree with other parts of the list. Pom Klementieff is great. My own list is pretty malleable, she'd probably be higher if I did it again.
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CoolCly
04/30/19 1:02:56 PM
#88:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Cap goes to a timeline where Peggy already loves him, but says "I'm that guy but from 80 years in the future but only 10 years older and also I boinked your granddaughter.


Man, why are people so confused by this. H3H3 podcast review also brought up "but he hooked up with Peggy's daughter, isn't weird?"

Agent 13 AKA Sharon Carter is Peggy's niece, not her daughter or granddaughter. She mentions Aunt Peggy several times throughout the movies.

Snrkiko posted...
was agent carter worth watching?


Season 1 is very worth watching

Season 2.... eh. You can treat it as a one season work of art IMO.
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HanOfTheNekos
04/30/19 1:03:46 PM
#89:


That's not confusion, it's just misremembering.
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davidponte
04/30/19 1:03:57 PM
#90:


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scarletspeed7
04/30/19 1:12:30 PM
#91:


NBIceman posted...
What makes Mantis that high for you, scarlet?

She has one of the most unique and interesting personalities in the MCU, and her power set is unparalleled in terms of the unique value it brings. As a comedy character, she's amazing. As a dramatic character, she can utterly empathize with any character; look at the humanity she helped flesh out in Thanos during a major fight scene in Infinity War!

To me, it's the B-Listers where the real meat of superheroes resides.

Also, to be honest the line between "like" and "indifferent" floats around Gamora. The characters below that point either have demonstrated a lack of compelling depth or are just functionally disinteresting characters.
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Bane_Of_Despair
04/30/19 1:20:32 PM
#92:


alright this took me like 45 minutes to actually get through lol

Rocket Raccoon
Winter Soldier
Captain America
Iron Man
Thor
Spider-Man
Black Panther
Hawkeye
Shuri
Okoye
Drax the Destroyer
Doctor Strange
Black Widow
Ant-Man
Wasp
Star-Lord
Nebula
Nick Fury
Captain Marvel
Groot
Gamora
Hulk
Mantis
Falcon
Scarlet Witch
Vision
War Machine
Wong

Some of these surprised me as I was doing them, turns out I care about Hawkeye and his journey alot more than I thought I did! I think some of them could get switched around a bit as well in the middle but this is good for now.
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Safer_777
04/30/19 1:28:09 PM
#93:


So wait. There will be series with Marvel Heroes? Seems strange. I mean one series will be about Loki and the other is about Vision and Scarlet Witch? Well these characters are extremely strong. What can be a series about them be like? Don't get it.
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PrivateBiscuit1
04/30/19 1:29:36 PM
#94:


I also want to add my appreciation for Mantis. Even when she's not the focus of the scene, her facials and anything she does in the background really steal the show. Just go out of your way to watch her at some point.

For instance, in the Girl Power scene, all the women have this look of determination and badassery, and Mantis has this look of concern, but putting on a brave face with a much less heroic pose than the rest. She's great.
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Murphiroth
04/30/19 1:34:14 PM
#95:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
I also want to add my appreciation for Mantis. Even when she's not the focus of the scene, her facials and anything she does in the background really steal the show. Just go out of your way to watch her at some point.

For instance, in the Girl Power scene, all the women have this look of determination and badassery, and Mantis has this look of concern, but putting on a brave face with a much less heroic pose than the rest. She's great.


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NBIceman
04/30/19 1:40:51 PM
#96:


Hey, I like Mantis. I agree she does a lot of great little things. I was just surprised to see her in a top 3 spot.
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Safer_777
04/30/19 1:42:10 PM
#97:


They should make her to use a gun at least. Just flying around doesn't makes sense.
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CassandraCain
04/30/19 1:57:42 PM
#98:


When the Guardians were on Knowhere trying to sneak up on Thanos, Mantis stalks with her hands up like an actual praying mantis.

She's so damn cute.
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ClyTheCool
04/30/19 1:59:49 PM
#99:


Is there a clip or images of the girl power scene?
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RyoCaliente
04/30/19 2:20:41 PM
#100:


Bane_Of_Despair posted...
RyoCaliente posted...
The Avengers
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Black Panther
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Avengers: Endgame
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Captain Marvel
Captain America: The First Avenger
Iron Man
Iron Man 3
Iron Man 2
Thor: The Dark World
Thor: Ragnarok
Captain America: Civil War
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
The Incredible Hulk
Thor
Ant-Man
Doctor Strange
Guardians of the Galaxy
Avengers: Infinity War

I'm sorry but what on earth is this ranking


What's your problem with it?

Agent Carter is worth a watch, yes. Peggy is great and Jarvis is totally GOAT, even though it kinda gets ruined because they 'erase' him for Vision.

AoS is best.

Inhumans is worst.

Daredevil and Jessica Jones are great, Luke Cage is good, Iron Fist is eh, Defenders is eh, Punisher is good.

Runaways is fun.

Cloak & Dagger is good.
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