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XIII_rocks
04/30/19 2:22:47 PM
#101:


The Avengers
Avengers: Endgame
Avengers: Infinity War
Thor: Ragnarok
Captain America: Civil War
Iron Man
Guardians of the Galaxy
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
Black Panther
Iron Man 3
Doctor Strange
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Ant-Man
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Captain Marvel
Iron Man 2
Captain America: The First Avenger
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Thor
Thor: The Dark World
The Incredible Hulk

I guess I'm a huge Avengers fan. Otherwise I'm pretty happy with it...looking at it now I'd maybe switch GotG vol 2 and Panther
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redrocket
04/30/19 3:34:05 PM
#102:


NBIceman posted...
Hey, I like Mantis. I agree she does a lot of great little things. I was just surprised to see her in a top 3 spot.


Oh yeah, Mantis that high is cool.

The real question is, who puts Rocket and Groot so low?? Unacceptable!
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CoolCly
04/30/19 4:04:57 PM
#103:


I like the Scarlet Witch a lot. She's great in Age of Ultron (her scene with Hawkeye during the battle is one of the highlights of the entire MCU), shes good in Civil War, and shes's great in Infinity War with the Vision (Thanos' Walk is one of the best parts of the movie, and it's just as much because of her as it is him)
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NBIceman
04/30/19 4:09:58 PM
#104:


I think I could sum up MCU Scarlet Witch as: not that interesting as a character, awesome as a superhero.
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Obellisk
04/30/19 4:14:44 PM
#105:


So Black Widow is supposed to be getting her own movie. Is anyone going to care about a Black Widow origin story movie?

I mean how do you give her an interesting movie now that you've already killed her
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RyoCaliente
04/30/19 4:18:25 PM
#106:


Obellisk posted...
So Black Widow is supposed to be getting her own movie. Is anyone going to care about a Black Widow origin story movie?

I mean how do you give her an interesting movie now that you've already killed her


I was just about to post this: does anybody think this movie was just a hoax to get people to think "Oh well, she's getting another movie, so she definitely won't die in Endgame"? I don't hate Black Widow or anything, and I think she could have her own movie, I just don't know if people will care (or that it's worth caring about) now that she's no longer...active.
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Obellisk
04/30/19 4:25:21 PM
#107:


If I'm scarlet and I find out I'm dying and never got my own feature after being so involved in the franchise... I'd be pissssssed.
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CassandraCain
04/30/19 4:26:31 PM
#108:


Pretty sure it's confirmed to be about her past, and I assume it will involve Budapest which would mean Hawkeye appears. Guess we'll see how he saved her?

People might care even more now since she is dead. There won't be any more of her in the future, her past is all that's left for us to see. At least for me, if she was still alive I would care much less about her prequel movie.
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Obellisk
04/30/19 4:28:56 PM
#109:


CassandraCain posted...
Pretty sure it's confirmed to be about her past, and I assume it will involve Budapest which would mean Hawkeye appears. Guess we'll see how he saved her?

People might care even more now since she is dead. There won't be any more of her in the future, her past is all that's left for us to see. At least for me, if she was still alive I would care much less about her prequel movie.


At least if she's alive then things in her past can be revisited in a future movie.

With her dead it'll just be "remember that one throw away line from random Marvel movie? Here's a 10 minute scene that sorta touches upon it"
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mnkboy907
04/30/19 4:29:44 PM
#110:


If I had known ahead of time that her movie was set in the past I probably would've already expected her to die.
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Snrkiko
04/30/19 4:35:48 PM
#111:


black window's scene in endgame really salvaged the character for me. i was never a fan of her in the movies up till her characterization in the last movie. i also just don't like the way scarjo delivers her lines
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HeroDelTiempo17
04/30/19 4:37:08 PM
#112:


I dislike the Black Widow death the more I think about it. She still had a ton of potential and killing her off when she had a solo movie announced just feels bad. And for what, are they gonna use Hawkeye more? His whole motivation was to get his family back so seems unlikely.

Also made the shot of all the women feel flat and cynical after they had just killed off their best female character for an emotional reaction after consistently sidelining her for years.
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hombad46
04/30/19 4:37:48 PM
#113:


Snrkiko posted...
black window's scene in endgame really salvaged the character for me


Black Window is great and all, but I think I prefer Red Door, and White Chimney
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RyoCaliente
04/30/19 4:39:08 PM
#114:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
best female character


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HeroDelTiempo17
04/30/19 4:40:22 PM
#115:


RyoCaliente posted...
HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
best female character


Gamora has left the chat.


Lmao Gamora is probably the worst. She is a prop for other characters in every movie she's in.

Edit: I like that she got rebooted though, maybe they can give her a new direction
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CassandraCain
04/30/19 4:46:17 PM
#116:


Obellisk posted...
With her dead it'll just be "remember that one throw away line from random Marvel movie? Here's a 10 minute scene that sorta touches upon it"

Well, they've been dropping hints about her past for years. I figured it was leading to something. A prequel movie about her seems logical to me.
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HashtagSEP
04/30/19 4:49:06 PM
#117:


HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
I dislike the Black Widow death the more I think about it. She still had a ton of potential and killing her off when she had a solo movie announced just feels bad. And for what, are they gonna use Hawkeye more? His whole motivation was to get his family back so seems unlikely.


She was doomed the minute their motivations were revealed

Hawkeye has a legit family
Black Widow said her family was the team. Which was basically about to disband as we know it.

Hawkeye had something to live for, so he was ultimately the more "feel good" choice.

EDIT: Also probably a case of ScarJo being willing to do one more movie (the solo flick) but not more. And Hawkeye's easier to write out when still alive than Widow is, especially after she made clear her motivation IS the team.
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CassandraCain
04/30/19 4:50:02 PM
#118:


Oh and yeah Gamora is pretty awful, especially in Infinity War.

"oh hey I have this knowledge that Thanos can't achieve his goal without so instead of hiding somewhere he'll never find me I'll go directly to him perfect plan"
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Whiskey_Nick
04/30/19 4:52:51 PM
#119:


Avengers: Endgame
Avengers: Infinity War
Thor: Ragnarok
The Avengers
Captain America: Civil War
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Guardians of the Galaxy
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
Captain America: The First Avenger
Doctor Strange
Black Panther
Iron Man
Iron Man 3
Captain Marvel
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Ant-Man
Thor
Thor: The Dark World
Iron Man 2
The Incredible Hulk
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skullbone
04/30/19 4:53:05 PM
#120:


Obellisk posted...
So Black Widow is supposed to be getting her own movie. Is anyone going to care about a Black Widow origin story movie?

I mean how do you give her an interesting movie now that you've already killed her


It'll do about as well as Solo did
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CassandraCain
04/30/19 4:54:42 PM
#121:


no bc they'll actually promote the black widow movie
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HeroDelTiempo17
04/30/19 4:56:18 PM
#122:


HashtagSEP posted...
She was doomed the minute their motivations were revealed

Hawkeye has a legit family
Black Widow said her family was the team. Which was basically about to disband as we know it.


That's true, that's a good point.

I think it really comes down to leaving SUCH a bad taste in my mouth that BW didnt have a solo movie yet. It should've happened way sooner and I'd probably be completely satisfied if it happened in that order. Now it feels like they killed her off to drive up interest in the movie now that it is presumably the last time she'll show up.
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Whiskey_Nick
04/30/19 4:56:39 PM
#123:


Thor
Rocket Raccoon
Captain America
Spider-Man
Star-Lord
Hulk
Drax the Destroyer
Groot
Doctor Strange
Black Widow
Ant-Man
Hawkeye
Iron Man
Black Panther
Winter Soldier
Nick Fury
Captain Marvel
Scarlet Witch
Vision
Mantis
Gamora
Nebula
Falcon
War Machine
Okoye
Wasp
Wong
Shuri
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PrivateBiscuit1
04/30/19 5:00:06 PM
#124:


We already had a Black Widow origin story movie in Age of Ultron, more or less. It feels very strange if that's the way they go with it because the point is that the characters are building and growing through the universe.

I feel like some shenanigans will happen and Black Widow comes back somehow. Kinda hope they have somebody like Yelena posing as her and she comes back to take her mantle back from her. But with the cast list, it does kind of feel like it might be some kind of origin story.

So I just don't know. I just hope Hawkeye is involved.
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HashtagSEP
04/30/19 5:05:53 PM
#125:


Also since everybody is doing it

Avengers: Endgame
Guardians of the Galaxy
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Avengers: Infinity War
The Avengers
Thor: Ragnarok
Ant-Man
Black Panther
Captain America: Civil War
Captain America: The First Avenger
Iron Man
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Doctor Strange
Thor
Captain Marvel
Thor: The Dark World
Iron Man 3
Iron Man 2
The Incredible Hulk

Captain America
Star-Lord
Ant-Man
Thor
Drax the Destroyer
Iron Man
Hawkeye
Spider-Man
Falcon
Wasp
Hulk
Black Panther
Nebula
Winter Soldier
Doctor Strange
Wong
Rocket Raccoon
Groot
Black Widow
Nick Fury
Scarlet Witch
War Machine
Captain Marvel
Mantis
Okoye
Vision
Shuri
Gamora
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NBIceman
04/30/19 5:06:50 PM
#126:


I've seen some speculation that the BW movie will be set during the five year timeskip.

Interestingly, I'm somewhat less excited for most of the upcoming films than I was before I saw Endgame, but I'm actually looking forward to Black Widow more now. It wasn't until she died that I realized how much I liked her and how much I'm gonna miss the original six.
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Snrkiko
04/30/19 5:07:45 PM
#127:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
We already had a Black Widow origin story movie in Age of Ultron, more or less. It feels very strange if that's the way they go with it because the point is that the characters are building and growing through the universe.

I feel like some shenanigans will happen and Black Widow comes back somehow. Kinda hope they have somebody like Yelena posing as her and she comes back to take her mantle back from her. But with the cast list, it does kind of feel like it might be some kind of origin story.

So I just don't know. I just hope Hawkeye is involved.

it takes place in somalia in the 90s and is about clint and natasha crash landing a helicopter in enemy territory and having to escape. black hawk down.
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Obellisk
04/30/19 5:08:21 PM
#128:


NBIceman posted...
I've seen some speculation that the BW movie will be set during the five year timeskip.


OK maybe I'd be a little interested in this.
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ShatteredElysium
04/30/19 5:10:10 PM
#129:


Captain America
Thor
Iron Man
Doctor Strange
Spider-Man
Ant-Man
Star-Lord
Gamora
Rocket Raccoon
Captain Marvel
Drax the Destroyer
Hawkeye
Nebula
Groot
Nick Fury
Black Widow
Black Panther
Falcon
Winter Soldier
Scarlet Witch
Okoye
Mantis
War Machine
Wong
Shuri
Hulk
Wasp
Vision

I'm sure this would drastically change if I were to do this at another point in time. Spiderman would have been way lower down this list pre-Avengers Spiderman.

GotG crew are weird because on another day their rankings even amongst themselves would be very different. I like them all and it really varies as to who I like more than the rest.

Hulk I just have never been a fan of since I'm probably in the minority having him so low but I've never gotten his appeal.

Oh and Wasp I don't really have an opinion on much. Never saw Antman and Wasp. Vision being bottom feels weird when I love the actor who plays him but yeah I dunno, just don't have much feeling of anything towards him.
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CassandraCain
04/30/19 5:10:12 PM
#130:


There's also the possibility that she's trapped in the soul stone and will return at some point.
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HashtagSEP
04/30/19 5:10:15 PM
#131:


I just realized based on that very scientific method, Wasp is my favorite female character

I don't know if that's accurate or I just like Ant-Man so much that it rubs off favorably
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NBIceman
04/30/19 5:12:25 PM
#132:


According to that same Russo interview I posted earlier, the Soul Stone sacrifice really is everlasting and Widow is "never coming back."

Marvel's certainly misled us before (and I don't even think the Russos are signed on to direct any more MCU films at this stage) but it's not gonna surprise me if we don't see Black Widow again except in, like, flashbacks.
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XIII_rocks
04/30/19 5:13:02 PM
#133:


We should probably like, take these rankings and do the "b8 ranks the x" thing like we did with Pokemon
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ShatteredElysium
04/30/19 5:15:49 PM
#134:


XIII_rocks posted...
We should probably like, take these rankings and do the "b8 ranks the x" thing like we did with Pokemon


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Snrkiko
04/30/19 5:18:37 PM
#135:


wait

when did you become a moderator
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XIII_rocks
04/30/19 5:24:33 PM
#136:


Iron Man
Rocket Raccoon
Thor
Doctor Strange
Star-Lord
Drax the Destroyer
Spider-Man
Nebula
Mantis
Nick Fury
Hulk
Groot
Black Panther
Gamora
Ant-Man
Captain Marvel
Shuri
Black Widow
Captain America
Okoye
Scarlet Witch
War Machine
Falcon
Hawkeye
Wasp
Vision
Winter Soldier
Wong

I never really thought about ranking them before but this seems pretty OK. Surprised Vision ended up so low but I like almost all the characters

Winter Soldier started so great and then got so bland so fast over the following movies. I think, like, the idea of the Winter Soldier is better than their actual execution of the character.
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XIII_rocks
04/30/19 5:24:54 PM
#137:


Snrkiko posted...
wait

when did you become a moderator


Literally like three or four hours ago
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Snrkiko
04/30/19 5:25:36 PM
#138:


XIII_rocks posted...
Snrkiko posted...
wait

when did you become a moderator


Literally like three or four hours ago

GRIS ASS TITS
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CassandraCain
04/30/19 5:25:43 PM
#139:


oh here's my characters, top 2 is accurate for both movies and comics.

1. Captain America
2. Spider-Man
3. Doctor Strange
4. Thor
5. Iron Man

-Endgame bumped Iron Man up, he would have been below Hawkeye before
-Doctor Strange is only that high solely bc of Infinity War

6. Black Widow
7. Hawkeye
8. Winter Soldier
9. Rocket Raccoon
10. Hulk

11. Ant-Man
12. Drax the Destroyer
13. Star-Lord
14. Scarlet Witch
15. War Machine

16. Groot
17. Black Panther
18. Mantis
19. Nick Fury
20. Vision

-Black Panther was fantastic in Civil War, sadly been lacking since then

21. Wong
22. Nebula
23. Falcon
24. Wasp
25. Shuri

26. Okoye
27. Captain Marvel
28. Gamora
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scarletspeed7
04/30/19 5:46:08 PM
#140:


Guys we're getting the BETTER version of Black Widow at the end of the Black Widow movie.

Yelena Belova!
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Safer_777
04/30/19 5:56:01 PM
#141:


Yeah I don't think anyone will watch that movie. To see what? Doesn't make sense.
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XIII_rocks
04/30/19 5:58:54 PM
#142:


I'd watch it, ScarJo is pretty good and it's got a nice supporting cast

Also, like, the fundamental thing here is that MCU movies are...pretty much always good? So it's a fairly safe bet that it'd be a good time at the movies
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ZenOfThunder
04/30/19 5:59:03 PM
#143:


@XIII_rocks congrats on becoming a mod, please moderate anyone who has Spider-Man low on their list
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Bane_Of_Despair
04/30/19 6:05:47 PM
#144:


yea I like Black Widow why wouldn't I watch it regardless of when it's placed
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scarletspeed7
04/30/19 6:06:37 PM
#145:


Safer_777 posted...
Yeah I don't think anyone will watch that movie. To see what? Doesn't make sense.

To see the better Black Widow.
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CoolCly
04/30/19 6:07:34 PM
#146:


But how could a prequel set up a replacement? If Widow had a protege on deck, why would she not have brought her in at any point?
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PrivateBiscuit1
04/30/19 6:09:02 PM
#147:


Forget Yelena.

Give us that Moonstone, preferably in Thunderbolts.
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scarletspeed7
04/30/19 6:09:13 PM
#148:


CoolCly posted...
But how could a prequel set up a replacement? If Widow had a protege on deck, why would she not have brought her in at any point?

If it's set in the 5-year gap, I think the set-up would be a young girl who has come of age and is ready to take on the mantle of the Widow post-mortem.
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scarletspeed7
04/30/19 6:09:38 PM
#149:


PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Forget Yelena.

Give us that Moonstone, preferably in Thunderbolts.

No I want Moonstone to be Moonstone! Give me straight up Moonstone and give me Yelena also.
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MoogleKupo141
04/30/19 6:14:58 PM
#150:


Safer_777 posted...
Yeah I don't think anyone will watch that movie. To see what? Doesn't make sense.


..:to see a movie with a character they like? Why did people go to the Star Wars prequels when they knew Anakin was already dead?
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