Board 8 > Avengers Endgame - spoiler discussion topic 2 (SPOILERS)

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They didnt say you couldnt go back to your own past. They said changing your past wont affect your present.
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redrocket posted...

They didnt say you couldnt go back to your own past. They said changing your past wont affect your present.

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You can go into your past, but the second you change something a new timeline splits off.
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I think, theoretically, if they went to timeline B later on and see that the stones haven't been returned and sees how fucked up things are (IE, dormammu won), that would solidify as timeline B's path. At that point, If they went back to when they took the stones and returned them, that would then create timeline C. There would be a version where the stones weren't returned and a version where they were.

But if they just go back to timeline B to begin with, then in timeline B there was never a timeline where they weren't returned, so that's just timeline B's normal progression. There is no timeline C.
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The thing I wonder about, did they go into three different timelines with the three different groups?

IE, did Team New York go to Timeline B, Team Asgard went to timeline D, and Team Space went to Timeline G? Or did they all go to timeline B, just at different points?

I think Loki escaping in New York means that things would be different for Asgard, so maybe that does mean they are different timelines. I don't think the changes would have necessarily changed what what happens to Team Space though, so would they necessarily be in a separate timeline?

Would Cap and Tony's trip to the past make a further different timeline? Does Cap's retirement trip create an extra timeline? Is there room for some of these timelines to be the same but not others?
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Team space is the timeline with no Thanos now lol. So yeah it definitely changed.
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CoolCly posted...

The thing I wonder about, did they go into three different timelines with the three different groups?

IE, did Team New York go to Timeline B, Team Asgard went to timeline D, and Team Space went to Timeline G? Or did they all go to timeline B, just at different points?

I think Loki escaping in New York means that things would be different for Asgard, so maybe that does mean they are different timelines. I don't think the changes would have necessarily changed what what happens to Team Space though, so would they necessarily be in a separate timeline?

Would Cap and Tony's trip to the past make a further different timeline? Does Cap's retirement trip create an extra timeline? Is there room for some of these timelines to be the same but not others?

The answer to all of your posts is Kang the Conquerer
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Waluigi1 posted...

You can go into your past, but the second you change something a new timeline splits off.

If it means me not meeting people that I REGRET meeting, I'm all for it :)
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There are different timelines for sure. Also for the new Spider Man trailer it seems there are alternate dimensions too.
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Waluigi1 posted...

Team space is the timeline with no Thanos now lol. So yeah it definitely changed.

Well yes, it definitely is not the main timeline. But is it the timeline where Loki escaped or a brand new split from the main timeline?
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I think there are 3 or 4. The main one, the one that Loki escaped, the one that Thanos got teleported to the future and the one that Captain America lived with Peggy.
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Safer_777 posted...

the one that Captain America lived with Peggy.

How is that a split timeline?
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Safer_777 posted...

I think there are 3 or 4. The main one, the one that Loki escaped, the one that Thanos got teleported to the future and the one that Captain America lived with Peggy.

If every change to the main timeline creates a new branch timeline, then these are the current timelines:

1. Main. The one we've followed.
2. Power/Soul: The one where Nat died and Thanos captured Nebula before coming to the main timeline
3. Reality: The one where Thor talked to Frigga and Rocket stole the aether
4. Mind/Time: The one where Loki got away with the tesseract
5. Space: The one where Tony talked to his dad
6. Peggy: The one in which Steve got his dance
7. Test: The test run before the time heist where Clint went back and called for Laura. Should be pretty much identical to main.
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I feel like Reality has the same thing as Test where it's p much identical to main. Assuming Cap puts the stones/mjolnir back right after it was taken, the only change is the convo with Frigga, and she seemed like her actions weren't going to change as a result of the convo at all.

(But tbh the way the Ancient One talked about it made it sound like it could be corrected to me, meaning that Reality/Test/Space wouldn't have changed enough for new timelines to be created, giving only 4 timelines as a results of the actions in this movie)
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Last night I had a dream that Spider-Man Far From Home is actually Deadpool 3 (now set within the MCU) and all the promotional materials were just a lie. Like literally I was in the theatre and the movie that played was just DP.

That would be quite something.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Safer_777 posted...

the one that Captain America lived with Peggy.

How is that a split timeline?

Short answer: They said it was

Longer answer: Him being there with Peggy when he should be in ice causes a split timeline that he returned from to give Sam the shield
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TheRock1525 posted...

Safer_777 posted...

the one that Captain America lived with Peggy.

How is that a split timeline?

Because if it wasn't it wouldn't follow the rules of time travel established in the movie.

He goes back and creates a split, lives out his life with Peggy, and jumps back to the main timeline later.

This has also been confirmed in an interview with the directors.

However, it's worth noting that the writers said differently in another interview, as their view is that Steve has always been Peggy's mystery husband and there have always been two Steves in the timeline in a stable loop. They didn't write the time travel stuff in the movie, though, as they had theoretical physicists come in and help with that, so I tend to lean more towards what the directors said as it makes more sense in the movie itself.
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Just saw this last night and have a real random question.

At Tony's funeral who is the person standing behind Wanda/Bucky/Falcon? I didnt recognize him though I'm sure I should have.
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I had to look that up, too - think a lot of people did. That was Harley, the kid who helped Tony out in Iron Man 3.
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Ok I wondered if that was him but figured I would ask. Thanks.
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Saw this yesterday. The more I think about it, the more plotholes come up. The biggest one is why Thor even struggled against Thanos with no gauntlet when he didn't with gauntlet. That's the whole point of Stormbreaker..... I just write it off as "loltension".

Also Iron Man switching the gauntlets with ease when a whole team of them struggled to get it off in IW
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I mean this time he didnt try and remove the gauntlet like in IW he just moved the stones to his own gauntlet. Much easier I would imagine.
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I think it was said before but Thor wasn't exactly in the best shape of his life for the Endgame fight as opposed to the IW fight
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barreldragon88 posted...

Saw this yesterday. The more I think about it, the more plotholes come up. The biggest one is why Thor even struggled against Thanos with no gauntlet when he didn't with gauntlet. That's the whole point of Stormbreaker..... I just write it off as "loltension".

Also Iron Man switching the gauntlets with ease when a whole team of them struggled to get it off in IW

Thor had been playing video games and drinking beer for 5 years. How much worse do you think that would make you at armed combat?

The gauntlet Thanos was wearing at the end was the one that Tony had designed. He would have known how to extract the stones from the mechanism with his own tech.

Edit: I was too slow. But yeah I mean there are plot holes but those ones specifically are not the best examples.
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When did Thor put up any kind of fight against Thanos before Endgame??
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Waluigi1 posted...

When did Thor put up any kind of fight against Thanos before Endgame??

The end of Infinity War, when he literally would have killed Thanos if he had aimed for the head.
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easily explainable as thanos was wrapped up in having achieved his goal that he wasn't really focusing on thor who got a lucky shot in

it's not like thor and thanos were actually legit "fighting each other" at any point in that battle

colliding posted...

easily explainable as thanos was wrapped up in having achieved his goal that he wasn't really focusing on thor who got a lucky shot in

it's not like thor and thanos were actually legit "fighting each other" at any point in that battle

I mean Thanos did notice him in time to fire a blast off with all six infinity stones.
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redrocket posted...

colliding posted...

easily explainable as thanos was wrapped up in having achieved his goal that he wasn't really focusing on thor who got a lucky shot in

it's not like thor and thanos were actually legit "fighting each other" at any point in that battle

I mean Thanos did notice him in time to fire a blast off with all six infinity stones.

oh crap, I completely forgot about that

nevermind

barreldragon88 posted...

Saw this yesterday. The more I think about it, the more plotholes come up. The biggest one is why Thor even struggled against Thanos with no gauntlet when he didn't with gauntlet. That's the whole point of Stormbreaker..... I just write it off as "loltension".

Also Iron Man switching the gauntlets with ease when a whole team of them struggled to get it off in IW

Bad logic aside, since both of these complaints have already been explained away, neither of these would qualify as a "plot hole" to begin with. Not sure why people seem to have such difficulty with that term.
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barreldragon88 posted...

Saw this yesterday. The more I think about it, the more plotholes come up. The biggest one is why Thor even struggled against Thanos with no gauntlet when he didn't with gauntlet. That's the whole point of Stormbreaker..... I just write it off as "loltension".

Also Iron Man switching the gauntlets with ease when a whole team of them struggled to get it off in IW

EG Thor is five years out of shape and had been drinking literally nonstop for that entire time. IW Thor was in peak condition and didn't really "fight" Thanos so much as land a sneak attack that Thanos barely had time to react to. Plus EG Thanos is bloodthirsty and out to murder the crew, versus IW Thanos who just wanted the stones and wasn't going all unless he needed to.

Iron Man didn't switch gauntlets or even take Thanos' gauntlet off in any way. Thanos tries to snap and is still wearing the Nano Gauntlet, but the stones are gone. And there's your answer, nanomachines. Both the NG and Tony's suit use the same nanomachines so he just commanded them to move the stones onto his arm when he grabbed Thanos' arm. You can even see them moving into place after the reveal.
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barreldragon88 posted...

Saw this yesterday. The more I think about it, the more plotholes come up. The biggest one is why Thor even struggled against Thanos with no gauntlet when he didn't with gauntlet. That's the whole point of Stormbreaker..... I just write it off as "loltension".

Also Iron Man switching the gauntlets with ease when a whole team of them struggled to get it off in IW

You should rewatch the movie and pay attention to Thor and Iron Man throughout it if you think what either of them did here is a plot hole.
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Maniac64 posted...

Just saw this last night and have a real random question.

At Tony's funeral who is the person standing behind Wanda/Bucky/Falcon? I didnt recognize him though I'm sure I should have.

Kid from iron Man 3.
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redrocket posted...

Waluigi1 posted...

When did Thor put up any kind of fight against Thanos before Endgame??

The end of Infinity War, when he literally would have killed Thanos if he had aimed for the head.

Yeah... that wasn't a fight lol
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redrocket posted...

colliding posted...

easily explainable as thanos was wrapped up in having achieved his goal that he wasn't really focusing on thor who got a lucky shot in

it's not like thor and thanos were actually legit "fighting each other" at any point in that battle

I mean Thanos did notice him in time to fire a blast off with all six infinity stones.

I just watched IW again and I'm pretty sure that was just the same Power Stone blast he had been doing all movie. And literally all Thor had to do was throw Stormbreaker through it.

You don't use all 6 at once without some serious shit going down. Plus when he does the snap a few moments later it partially fries the gauntlet.
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thor was five years fat, out of shape and depressed

yeah, it's kind of silly but his power comes from his self-confidence or whatever
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So on another topic.

Does Captain Marvel not age? By the end of EG its been like 25 years since the events of Captain Marvel and she doesnt really look any older.
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Maniac64 posted...

So on another topic.

Does Captain Marvel not age? By the end of EG its been like 25 years since the events of Captain Marvel and she doesnt really look any older.

If shes spent those years traveling at or near light speed, special relativity would just sorta do that
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That's what I figured was the reason but wasn't sure if it was ever stated anywhere.
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Or her powers just slow her aging.
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she's laser lady
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I didn't even need to read about Captain Marvel prior to EG. You just watch her in the movie and can guess what her powers are
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