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The Great Muta 22
06/24/19 7:03:28 PM
#101:


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i wonder how some people itt would respond to MLK's turn the other cheek quote


Probably by reciting his opinions on the white moderate
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vocedelmorte
06/24/19 7:03:59 PM
#103:


Besides what about the bigots who take it too far and get violent? Try to walk away from that.

Then you fight back. But treating scum like they're worthy of your time is just making them think like they relevant. You don't accept it with the smile, you just ignore them. Cause when people see that you no better than religious freaks or fascists, then they see you the same as them
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DeadBankerDream
06/24/19 7:05:40 PM
#105:


totalnerdken posted...
DeadBankerDream posted...
Also the idea that conservative garbage people being intolerant garbage people is the fault of leftwing "extremism" and not conservative garbage people being intolerant garbage people is about as genuinely dishonest as you can get. Next you might as well blame leftwing extremism for making racist republicans drive cars into protestors.

See, you choose to completely ignore the problem. You push ALL of the blame onto extreme conservative, you refuse to see that extreme leftists are to blame. I even said, if a conservative is being bigoted, then fucking call them out on it, if they're violent, be violent back and call the cops.

But you absolutely refuse to acknowledge any wrongdoing from the extreme liberals. The fact that the extreme liberals can proudly do violent actions on tv with no repercussions means they're going to do that, but when people see that shit on tv, they think the liberals are fucking crazy and don't want to side with them.

The conservatives are not proudly doing that stuff on tv. You might be able to say Donald Trump, but you'd have a hard time finding an example of outright racism without over reading into a situation (like that when he said he was part of the lgbt community and idiots thought that was a dog whistle for racism).

So I can assume you blame the left for murders committed by rightwing extremists, then.
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Darmik
06/24/19 7:06:03 PM
#106:


Why is it that 'crazy leftists' turn people away and yet somehow Trump doesn't scare off anyone.

I'm not even sure who these violent gay people or leftists are supposed to be.
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King_Hellebuyck
06/24/19 7:07:48 PM
#108:


Darmik posted...
totalnerdken posted...
Completely ignoring that too many of the left are extremely violent (yes, more violent then the right)


Wasn't there a mass shooting in a gay nightclub in America a few years ago?

Yeah but that doesnt fit the narrative. The narrative is that mean old leftists and LGBTQ people are bullies who are cruelly asking for acceptance.
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DeadBankerDream
06/24/19 7:08:27 PM
#110:


totalnerdken posted...
See, you choose to completely ignore the problem. You push ALL of the blame onto extreme conservative, you refuse to see that extreme leftists are to blame.

I can quote things you say too.

Try to be more consistent so that you can't be quoted out of context in support of literally any position. Would make your nonsense easier to read.
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Tmaster148
06/24/19 7:10:26 PM
#113:


totalnerdken posted...
Darmik posted...
Why is it that 'crazy leftists' turn people away and yet somehow Trump doesn't scare off anyone.

I'm not even sure who these violent gay people or leftists are supposed to be.

Trump isn't violent attacking people.


Trump's rhetoric is causing his supporters to engage in violence.
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The Great Muta 22
06/24/19 7:10:48 PM
#114:


King_Hellebuyck posted...
Darmik posted...
totalnerdken posted...
Completely ignoring that too many of the left are extremely violent (yes, more violent then the right)


Wasn't there a mass shooting in a gay nightclub in America a few years ago?

Yeah but that doesnt fit the narrative. The narrative is that mean old leftists and LGBTQ people are bullies who are cruelly asking for acceptance.


No no no, you forgot, that narrative was that the shooter was a Muslim extremist and because the left doesn't completely condemn the idea of the entire ideology of Islam as incapitable with the West, that means they are also to blame for fundamentalist extremism.

That's where Trumps whole "BAN THE MUSLIM IMMIGRANTS TILL WE FIGURE OUT WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!?!?!" thing came from
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DeadBankerDream
06/24/19 7:12:18 PM
#115:


totalnerdken posted...
You're just showing that you don't want to see any violence done by extreme leftists as being an issue.

So you're blaming literally every murder committed in the last 40 years by extremist rightwingers on leftism, I see.
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Phantom_Nook
06/24/19 7:12:20 PM
#116:


Doom_Art posted...
DeadBankerDream posted...
Also the idea that conservative garbage people being intolerant garbage people is the fault of leftwing "extremism" and not conservative garbage people being intolerant garbage people is about as genuinely dishonest as you can get. Next you might as well blame leftwing extremism for making racist republicans drive cars into protestors.

"It's always someone else's fault" may as well be the slogan of every conservative movement in the western world

Nice.
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Darmik
06/24/19 7:12:27 PM
#117:


totalnerdken posted...
Darmik posted...
Why is it that 'crazy leftists' turn people away and yet somehow Trump doesn't scare off anyone.

I'm not even sure who these violent gay people or leftists are supposed to be.

Trump isn't violent attacking people.


He's locking up immigrants in camps and separating them from their families.

Who are the violent leftist figures that are scaring people away in comparison to guys like Trump or the several public Neo-Nazis and racists?

Trump and his administration are also trying to set back trans rights as well yeah?
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Tmaster148
06/24/19 7:13:35 PM
#119:


Phantom_Nook posted...
Doom_Art posted...
DeadBankerDream posted...
Also the idea that conservative garbage people being intolerant garbage people is the fault of leftwing "extremism" and not conservative garbage people being intolerant garbage people is about as genuinely dishonest as you can get. Next you might as well blame leftwing extremism for making racist republicans drive cars into protestors.

"It's always someone else's fault" may as well be the slogan of every conservative movement in the western world

Nice.


To add. In the US at least they are the party who pushes for personal responsibility for everyone but themselves.
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Tmaster148
06/24/19 7:14:23 PM
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totalnerdken posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Trump's rhetoric is causing his supporters to engage in violence.

Then that's the fault of those specific people.

Unless you hear direct calls to action by Trump, he's not responsible. Don't blame the crazies on what the non-crazies do, you end up targeting the wrong people.


Pretty hypocritical of you to be upset by leftist causing right wingers to be violent by their rhetoric but hand wave Trump actually doing that.
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DeadBankerDream
06/24/19 7:14:53 PM
#121:


totalnerdken posted...
Unless you hear direct calls to action by Trump, he's not responsible.

He told people at his rally that if they beat up protesters he'll pay their legal fees.

He "suggested" that "second amendment people" might be able to do something about a Hillary Clinton presidency
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Tmaster148
06/24/19 7:17:44 PM
#124:


You are literally blaming the left for the shooting at pulse and saying that people are hating the lgbtq community because they are pushing a rhetoric of acceptance.

Then ignore Trump's own violent rhetoric because it wouldn't fit your narrative.
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darkphoenix181
06/24/19 7:18:56 PM
#125:


My guess is the distaste for mtf athletes dominating women's sports.
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DeadBankerDream
06/24/19 7:20:25 PM
#126:


darkphoenix181 posted...
My guess is the distaste for mtf athletes dominating women's sports.

If by "dominating" you mean "there's a story about them every few months", you would be simultaneously correct and also showcasing the irrelevancy of your point.
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Rypt
06/24/19 7:20:48 PM
#127:


maybe they realize the consequences of high taxes now that everyone's moving to TX
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Darmik
06/24/19 7:22:59 PM
#129:


Correct me if I'm wrong but;
- Trump's Administration removed all references to LGBTQ on his website
- Trump's Administration banned trans people from the military
- LGBTQ was removed from the National Survey of Older Americans
- Backed off Guidance of Protecting Trans Youth in schools
Any many more which are all tracked here on GLAAD's website?
https://www.glaad.org/trump

Yet apparently it's the fault of the left wing that support is going down?
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creativerealms
06/24/19 7:24:57 PM
#130:


More reason SJW hysteria needs to die. You wave tricked a whole generation into thinking it's real.
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Umbreon
06/24/19 7:25:06 PM
#131:


ITT: Acceptance goes down because people can be a little aggressive about acceptance.

But promoting hatred and bigotry does nothing so we should all ignore it.
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darkphoenix181
06/24/19 7:25:21 PM
#132:


DeadBankerDream posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
My guess is the distaste for mtf athletes dominating women's sports.

If by "dominating" you mean "there's a story about them every few months", you would be simultaneously correct and also showcasing the irrelevancy of your point.


By dominating I mean they get first place.

Then the girls who would have got first place become the story since women are still trying to carve out their place in sports vs. Men who get more attention.
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The Great Muta 22
06/24/19 7:27:10 PM
#133:


Darmik posted...
Yet apparently it's the fault of the left wing that support is going down?


Haven't you learned yet? Everything in society is the left wing's fault. If only they'd allow a true Corporatocracy then we'd all have....equality? Wait....no...
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DeadBankerDream
06/24/19 7:27:16 PM
#134:


darkphoenix181 posted...
By dominating I mean they get first place.

If that happened to a degree where "dominating" would be a proper term to use I'm not sure how we are not swimming in such stories. There would hardly be time for other news to be covered if there were such an epidemic.
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DifferentialEquation
06/24/19 7:30:23 PM
#136:


DeadBankerDream posted...
totalnerdken posted...
Unless you hear direct calls to action by Trump, he's not responsible.

He told people at his rally that if they beat up protesters he'll pay their legal fees.

He "suggested" that "second amendment people" might be able to do something about a Hillary Clinton presidency


The video clip of that is still widely available on youtube. He was telling second amendment supporters to make sure they got out and voted so Hillary didn't win the election.
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BignutzisBack
06/24/19 7:31:54 PM
#137:


Romulox28 posted...
my knee jerk reaction is that this is 100% based on the promotion of non-binary genders and things like that


Bingo
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darkphoenix181
06/24/19 7:32:41 PM
#138:


DeadBankerDream posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
By dominating I mean they get first place.

If that happened to a degree where "dominating" would be a proper term to use I'm not sure how we are not swimming in such stories. There would hardly be time for other news to be covered if there were such an epidemic.


https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trans-athletes-make-great-gains-yet-resentment-still-flares-n975646

Across the U.S. and in many places abroad, transgender athletes are breaking barriers in high school, college and pro sports and being embraced by teammates and fans. But resentments can still flare when transgender women start winning and dominating their sport.

Exhibit A is a recent public exchange involving tennis great Martina Navratilova, who came out as a lesbian in 1981 and is a longtime gay-rights activist. She now stands accused of being transphobic after asserting that many transgender women even if theyve undergone hormone treatment have an unfair advantage over other female competitors.

Most of the high-profile stories about trans athletes have involved transgender women; fewer transgender men have reached levels of achievement in mens sports events that generated news coverage.


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DeadBankerDream
06/24/19 7:34:43 PM
#139:


DifferentialEquation posted...
The video clip of that is still widely available on youtube. He was telling second amendment supporters to make sure they got out and voted so Hillary didn't win the election.

You are literally lying to defend a call to murder. He was talking about a hypothetical situation where Clinton had already won where she gets to pick new supreme court justices and there is nothing anyone could do about. Oh wait, yes the second ammendment people might be able to do something about it.

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Garrafan
06/24/19 7:40:33 PM
#141:


It's because they're shoving it in peoples faces
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GreatEvilEmpire
06/24/19 7:42:54 PM
#142:


I don't like how everything is lumped together like it's all the same thing. It's not.

People are more accepting of gays than ever. However, many people are not going to date Transwomen. Many are not going to accept them in women's sports. The Military is not going to accept them in the battlefield if they're not emotionally stable.

So yeah, society will not accept them if their acceptance in certain situations affects other people. If people don't want date trans, and they consider that as non-acceptance, then that's the reality of it.
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Darmik
06/24/19 7:45:59 PM
#143:


totalnerdken posted...
Darmik posted...
Correct me if I'm wrong but;
- Trump's Administration removed all references to LGBTQ on his website
- Trump's Administration banned trans people from the military
- LGBTQ was removed from the National Survey of Older Americans
- Backed off Guidance of Protecting Trans Youth in schools
Any many more which are all tracked here on GLAAD's website?
https://www.glaad.org/trump

Yet apparently it's the fault of the left wing that support is going down?

These are issues (especially the banning of trans people from joining the military as that goes against the idea of liberty and freedom), but can you explain to me how this would make the public have less support for LGBT individuals?

Just because Trump is taking actions that negatively affect them, doesn't mean the public has that same perception.


Well they voted this guy in for one. So clearly not enough people care.
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Darmik
06/24/19 7:49:03 PM
#144:


And for the people who are saying it's because of 'violent leftists'

And there is a more menacing side, Ellis said. We are seeing a stark increase in violence in the community. GLAAD has documented more than 40 incidents of LGBTQ hate violence since Jan. 1.

Two recent high-profile incidents: On June 16, a young gay couple were assaulted outside a popular strip of bars in Washington, D.C., in what police are investigating as a hate crime. A few weeks earlier, a Detroit man was charged in a triple homicide in which two gay men and one transgender woman were deliberately targeted, police say.

The FBI released statistics in November showing a 17% increase in overall hate crimes in 2017. Of 7,175 reported crimes, more than 1,200 were based on sexual orientation or gender identity bias.

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The Great Muta 22
06/24/19 7:50:00 PM
#145:


GreatEvilEmpire posted...
If people don't want date trans, and they consider that as non-acceptance, then that's the reality of it.


Let's be honest, no one aside from random people you see bitching on Twitter are demanding you date a trans. Get out of your outrage bubble
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Hop103
06/24/19 7:51:21 PM
#146:


Darmik posted...
totalnerdken posted...
Darmik posted...
Correct me if I'm wrong but;
- Trump's Administration removed all references to LGBTQ on his website
- Trump's Administration banned trans people from the military
- LGBTQ was removed from the National Survey of Older Americans
- Backed off Guidance of Protecting Trans Youth in schools
Any many more which are all tracked here on GLAAD's website?
https://www.glaad.org/trump

Yet apparently it's the fault of the left wing that support is going down?

These are issues (especially the banning of trans people from joining the military as that goes against the idea of liberty and freedom), but can you explain to me how this would make the public have less support for LGBT individuals?

Just because Trump is taking actions that negatively affect them, doesn't mean the public has that same perception.


Well they voted this guy in for one. So clearly not enough people care.


Not everyone votes for Trump for reasons of bigotry or indifference.
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TommyG663513
06/24/19 7:52:30 PM
#147:


Darmik posted...
People can react how they want to react to abuse. It's not up to you to tell them what to do or how to feel. Especially if it's something you don't ever have to experience.


But I do experience this and I'm telling them from experience that shouting at the bigots and calling them bigots to their face does no good.
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Antifar
06/24/19 7:52:40 PM
#148:


Hop103 posted...
Not everyone votes for Trump for reasons of bigotry or indifference.

Either they support his bigotry or are willing to overlook it.
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TommyG663513
06/24/19 7:54:56 PM
#149:


Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...
Pukelid posted...
TommyG663513 posted...
If someone shouts slurs at you then you don't assault them or shout back. You ignore them. Don't give them that feeling of relevance.

You stand up for yourself. Passivity rewards bigotry


This.

Makes me wonder if there's an "Uncle Tom" equivalent for LGBT folks who take bigotry with a smile.


No there is a big difference between not being extremely militant and being an uncle Tom.

There is plenty of grey area to go around.
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WindMouseHanpan
06/24/19 7:55:55 PM
#150:


The left are basically destroying themselves. Have been for quite a while.
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