Current Events > Survey Shows Decline in LGBTQ Acceptance Among Young Americans

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If a family member being LGBTQ makes you uncomfortable by default you're likely a bigot or prejudiced.

Which is what this survey was asking. It has nothing to do with 'radical ideas'
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EIiza posted...

Not to offend, but I really think that lumping LGB with Trans people in a survey like this is going to skew the data. People are much less accepting of trans individuals than they are of gay and lesbian people. And this is coming from a member of the LGB.

I never understood why trans people are lumped together with gay/bi people under that umbrella acronym. Aren't the two concepts of liking the same gender and entirely changing your own gender, different enough to give them their own categories?
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Kyle1022 posted...

EIiza posted...

Not to offend, but I really think that lumping LGB with Trans people in a survey like this is going to skew the data. People are much less accepting of trans individuals than they are of gay and lesbian people. And this is coming from a member of the LGB.

I never understood why trans people are lumped together with gay/bi people under that umbrella acronym. Aren't the two concepts of liking the same gender and entirely changing your own gender, different enough to give them their own categories?

The idea is that the umbrella protects any orientation or identity different from the social norm of hetero/straight.
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spudger posted...

hmmmm i wonder

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justaguy3492 posted...

Or just a decline in people dumb enough to answer a survey lol.

lmao
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Darmik posted...

If a family member being LGBTQ makes you uncomfortable by default you're likely a bigot or prejudiced.

Which is what this survey was asking. It has nothing to do with 'radical ideas'

The idea of a family member losing their job and being homeless makes me uncomfortable. The idea of a friend putting themselves into debt for something I believe is a cosmetic surgery makes me uncomfortable.

I support the people. I love the people. And even if I didnt, as Americans, we have rights. Im just uncomfortable with it. It doesnt help me understand anything by saying that I'm "likely a bigot". Dont divide.
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Shablagoo posted...

justaguy3492 posted...

Or just a decline in people dumb enough to answer a survey lol.

lmao

Nvm forget what I said, I pick this
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Kastrada posted...

The idea is that the umbrella protects any orientation or identity different from the social norm of hetero/straight.

But a trans man who likes girls would identify as hetero/straight, no? Did you mean cis/hetero? In that case yeah, I think cis/trans and straight/gay are different enough to be separate qualifiers, not all lumped together.
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Kyle1022 posted...

Then all at once, radicals started calling people bigots if they didn't use the right pronouns, didn't recognize 60+ genders, or didn't want to date a trans person.

is that what actually happened, or is that the narrative you were suckered into believing by gamergaters and anti-sjws pushing an agenda that prefers to see hetero, white, and male be the measuring stick for what's considered baseline "normal"
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Pretty sure no one has had a problem with sexuality preferences in the recent years.
Its usually those who scream transphobia at people who have personal and varying opinions on trans issues are almost immediately demonized.
Trans activists cry for acceptance and tolerance when they themselves will demonize anyone with slightly different opinions on subjects of genders, and how far is too far, like letting men play in womens sports.
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Mecha Sonic posted...

is that what actually happened

Yes.
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Kyle1022 posted...

Mecha Sonic posted...

is that what actually happened

Yes.

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Mecha Sonic posted...

Kyle1022 posted...

Then all at once, radicals started calling people bigots if they didn't use the right pronouns, didn't recognize 60+ genders, or didn't want to date a trans person.

is that what actually happened, or is that the narrative you were suckered into believing by gamergaters and anti-sjws pushing an agenda that prefers to see hetero, white, and male be the measuring stick for what's considered baseline "normal"

These kind of comments. Noones talking race or men vs women here. Its inflammatory. And it succeeds on a lot of people. Be better. Dont be the divide.
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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

These kind of comments. Noones talking race or men vs women here. Its inflammatory. And it succeeds on a lot of people. Be better. Dont be the divide.

nothing i said was or should be divisive. don't be the guy who wallows in so many insecurities that he can't even have a conversation.
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I remember immediately after the supreme court legalized gay marriage the assessment of that practice and of gay people themselves rose in surveys like this.

The idea that the current administration demonizing people in the gay and trans community wouldnt have a similar effect in the other direction is quite silly.
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Mecha Sonic posted...

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

These kind of comments. Noones talking race or men vs women here. Its inflammatory. And it succeeds on a lot of people. Be better. Dont be the divide.

nothing i said was or should be divisive. don't be the guy who wallows in so many insecurities that he can't even have a conversation.

Nah, you're not divisive at all.
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millennials were raised in an environment of increasing tolerance towards gays and lesbians. same-sex marriage was legalized in massachussetts in 2004 at the same time many of us were coming of age, so generosity towards gay rights already had a foot-in-the-door with many members of the younger generation. however, there was and has been nothing comparable in trans rights, and many millennials still carry forward the same old prejudices against transgenders as their parents. as the the "LGB" has become more accepted, those letters have shrunk a bit into the background; and as the "T" grows as an increasing fraction of the pie, those prejudices become more and more stark in comparison, which causes support for the whole "LGBT" pie to shrink.

the truth is "60 genders" has always been a dumb fucking internet meme, but you'll still find people like Kyle1022 parroting this shit in bad faith. the same people who rightly argue against the evils of gay conversion therapy are open-eared to arguments that transgenderism is a mental illness and transgender people just need counseling to become "normal"; they're blind to the hypocrisy there. and the whole anti-transgender movement is co-opted by right-wing reactionaries with larger agendas, including anti-immigrant ethnonationalist types, anti-abortionists, etc.
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shnangyboos posted...

Nah, you're not divisive at all.

i've been here long enough to remember how the gamer community to CJ from san andreas being black. or how people reacted to a woman named anita trespassing on their hallowed ground with some harmless criticism. there are intersections between race, sex, and orientation, and that fact shouldn't be surprising.
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Mecha Sonic posted...

shnangyboos posted...

Nah, you're not divisive at all.

i've been here long enough to remember how the gamer community to CJ from san andreas being black. or how people reacted to a woman named anita trespassing on their hallowed ground with some harmless criticism. there are intersections between race, sex, and orientation, and that fact shouldn't be surprising.

LMFAO at calling that vitriolic movement harmless criticism

Great way to know not to take you seriously

shnangyboos posted...

Mecha Sonic posted...

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

These kind of comments. Noones talking race or men vs women here. Its inflammatory. And it succeeds on a lot of people. Be better. Dont be the divide.

nothing i said was or should be divisive. don't be the guy who wallows in so many insecurities that he can't even have a conversation.

Nah, you're not divisive at all.

I had to wait for a response to make sure I was reading that right. More namecalling and hate. I was honestly surprised on that one.

I go back and forth all day. Im almost always willing to have a way too lengthy conversation. But when you reveal yourself as an insult spewing charicature of the people who actually want to do good in the world, youre just not worth it anymore. Its intolerance and bigotry, plain and simple. Thank god you dont represent the struggling communities to me.
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ZeroKelvin posted...

LMFAO at calling that vitriolic movement harmless criticism

Great way to know not to take you seriously

i'm rolling my eyes out of my skull right now
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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

The idea of a family member losing their job and being homeless makes me uncomfortable. The idea of a friend putting themselves into debt for something I believe is a cosmetic surgery makes me uncomfortable.

I support the people. I love the people. And even if I didnt, as Americans, we have rights. Im just uncomfortable with it. It doesnt help me understand anything by saying that I'm "likely a bigot". Dont divide.

10 years ago two men getting married made someone like you uncomfortable.
20 years ago two women sharing a kiss made someone like you uncomfortable.
50 years ago a black man and a white woman holding hands made someone like you uncomfortable.
100 years ago a catholic and a protestant being joined in wedlock made someone like you uncomfortable.

i'm not calling you a bigot for expressing "discomfort" at something but you ought to recognize your discomfort as being part of a historical pattern which is not good.
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Mecha Sonic posted...

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

The idea of a family member losing their job and being homeless makes me uncomfortable. The idea of a friend putting themselves into debt for something I believe is a cosmetic surgery makes me uncomfortable.

I support the people. I love the people. And even if I didnt, as Americans, we have rights. Im just uncomfortable with it. It doesnt help me understand anything by saying that I'm "likely a bigot". Dont divide.

10 years ago two men getting married made someone like you uncomfortable.
20 years ago two women sharing a kiss made someone like you uncomfortable.
50 years ago a black man and a white woman holding hands made someone like you uncomfortable.
100 years ago a catholic and a protestant being joined in wedlock made someone like you uncomfortable.

i'm not calling you a bigot for expressing "discomfort" at something but you ought to recognize your discomfort as being part of a historical pattern which is not good.

Look, Im not interested in this anymore. Your chance to make a point was lost. This is what some people in this thread are talking about. I dont respect your thoughts on the matter as I did entering this topic. Im not alone in feeling alienated when trying to discuss things. I said nothing offensive. I shared my feelings. Your response was inflammatory. Dont work against the good name of so many brave people. Responses like that will NEVER achieve anything.
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TommyG663513 posted...

As a bisexual person, I find myself increasingly annoyed with other LGBT people.

Everyone is so political now. People are so convinced that they are on the right side of history that they can't engage in a real discussion. It's all about tossing insults now.

Many people ITT are reacting so strongly and very blatantly disregarding any sort of nuance

Such as ....

"LGBT rights are fine, but I don't like this being aggressively shoved in my face"
"Oh so you think we should be treated like sub human trash?"
" I didn't say that, but ok"

Personally, I get very annoyed how over represented the ultra gay type (queen type gay dudes or butch women) are represented compared to the more traditional gender expression type gay people. It feels like more and more TV shows and movies will have a gay dude character that constantly screams "yyyyyaaaaasssss queen." It's such an annoying stereotype, but they sell this as progressive.

I've always felt weird around gay people, because I don't really fit that stereotyped mold. I've gotten backlash from gay people for appearing too masculine. I say forget them.

Nothing about being LGBT makes you less prone to being judgmental or discriminatory. Some of the most judgmental and discriminatory people I've met have been LGBT. When you realize they are just like everybody else then they don't look so different.

early days so far, but i've got a good feeling this is going to be the smartest post in the topic
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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

Look, Im not interested in this anymore. Your chance to make a point was lost. This is what some people in this thread are talking about. I dont respect your thoughts on the matter as I did entering this topic. Im not alone in feeling alienated when trying to discuss things. I said nothing offensive. I shared my feelings. Your response was inflammatory. Dont work against the good name of so many brave people. Responses like that will NEVER achieve anything.

lol did you really get triggered and peace out over fucking nothing? give me a break. nothing i said was inflammatory, you just seem to be throwing around "inflammatory" at anyone who challenges your world-view. meanwhile the guy four posts up from you thinks a single woman making a youtube video and saying mean things about video games constitutes "vitriolic movement" and won't tolerate a dissenting opinion about it, but i guess that wasn't comment-worthy to you. you're right, the real intolerant people aren't folks like him, it's people who challenge your personal notions on subjects like race and gender. w/e dude.
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Being a jerk to people isnt the best way to get them on your side? Shocking!
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Romulox28 posted...

my knee jerk reaction is that this is 100% based on the promotion of non-binary genders and things like that

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StealthRock posted...

Sorry but you sound too apologetic

Why would the actions of some random asian reflect on you at all?

Who cares what white people think

Because it affects our career, our relationships, and how society at large perceives us? It's not just white people. It's almost every single person in society. They'll take the poor actions of one person, and judge the entire group with it.

If you think you can get by in life without worrying what people think about you, you are being incredibly naive.
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Squall28 posted...

StealthRock posted...

Sorry but you sound too apologetic

Why would the actions of some random asian reflect on you at all?

Who cares what white people think

Because it affects our career, our relationships, and how society at large perceives us? It's not just white people. It's almost every single person in society. They'll take the poor actions of one person, and judge the entire group with it.

If you think you can get by in life without worrying what people think about you, you are being incredibly naive.

Good lord you sound pathetic.

That's their problem if they do that, not yours. I grew up as one of the few brown kids around mostly white people and never felt I had to hold myself to a higher standard to not turn them into racists.
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refmon posted...

What with the SJW culture running rampant.

what a coincidence
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Zodd3224 posted...

Squall28 posted...

StealthRock posted...

Sorry but you sound too apologetic

Why would the actions of some random asian reflect on you at all?

Who cares what white people think

Because it affects our career, our relationships, and how society at large perceives us? It's not just white people. It's almost every single person in society. They'll take the poor actions of one person, and judge the entire group with it.

If you think you can get by in life without worrying what people think about you, you are being incredibly naive.

Good lord you sound pathetic.

That's their problem if they do that, not yours. I grew up as one of the few brown kids around mostly white people and never felt I had to hold myself to a higher standard to not turn them into racists.

How old are you?
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Its sad, but I do think that rhetoric like youre awful if youre not willing to date a transgendered person and youre a bigot if you dont think biological men should be playing in womens sports leagues is largely to blame.

rhetoric like that does not actually get used. you are misunderstanding it, either intentionally or due to your own ignorance
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Its never the fault of the intolerant, its always everyone elses fault that they cant just accept people existing.
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Mecha Sonic posted...

lol triggered

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spudger posted...

hmmmm i wonder

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averagejoel posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Its sad, but I do think that rhetoric like youre awful if youre not willing to date a transgendered person and youre a bigot if you dont think biological men should be playing in womens sports leagues is largely to blame.

rhetoric like that does not actually get used. you are misunderstanding it, either intentionally or due to your own ignorance

Yes it does
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Thats too bad, I think theres been some adequate reasoning ITT is to why though.

With regards to the topic title, my sincere congratulations to Sage and his crew for pulling this off.
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WingStopMaster posted...

Thats too bad, I think theres been some adequate reasoning ITT is to why though.

Adequate if you're a bigot, sure. People shouldn't have to "prove a bigot wrong" for them not to be a bigot.
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USB-C posted...

averagejoel posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Its sad, but I do think that rhetoric like youre awful if youre not willing to date a transgendered person and youre a bigot if you dont think biological men should be playing in womens sports leagues is largely to blame.

rhetoric like that does not actually get used. you are misunderstanding it, either intentionally or due to your own ignorance

What happens when it does get used and legitimately liberal and left wing people like Joe Rogan and Tim Pool get labeled alt-right? Surely that's not getting people from the non-conservative side to be annoyed with you?

as I said, it does not get used, so your question is irrelevant.

and I do not care about joe rogan and tim pool
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Bake the cake, bigot.

Now I have to destroy your livelihood, nothing personal kid ;)
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averagejoel posted...

USB-C posted...

averagejoel posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Its sad, but I do think that rhetoric like youre awful if youre not willing to date a transgendered person and youre a bigot if you dont think biological men should be playing in womens sports leagues is largely to blame.

rhetoric like that does not actually get used. you are misunderstanding it, either intentionally or due to your own ignorance

What happens when it does get used and legitimately liberal and left wing people like Joe Rogan and Tim Pool get labeled alt-right? Surely that's not getting people from the non-conservative side to be annoyed with you?

as I said, it does not get used, so your question is irrelevant.

and I do not care about joe rogan and tim pool

Except it does. Literally on this board. A few month back there was a topic where the TC insisted if you weren't willing to take it up the butt in [current year] you're a homophobe
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SageHarpuia posted...

averagejoel posted...

USB-C posted...

averagejoel posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Its sad, but I do think that rhetoric like youre awful if youre not willing to date a transgendered person and youre a bigot if you dont think biological men should be playing in womens sports leagues is largely to blame.

rhetoric like that does not actually get used. you are misunderstanding it, either intentionally or due to your own ignorance

What happens when it does get used and legitimately liberal and left wing people like Joe Rogan and Tim Pool get labeled alt-right? Surely that's not getting people from the non-conservative side to be annoyed with you?

as I said, it does not get used, so your question is irrelevant.

and I do not care about joe rogan and tim pool

Except it does. Literally on this board. A few month back there was a topic where the TC insisted if you weren't willing to take it up the butt in [current year] you're a homophobe

Probably just joking. The same way you are just joking when you spam the N word in every Discord server you pop into.
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SageHarpuia posted...

averagejoel posted...

USB-C posted...

averagejoel posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Its sad, but I do think that rhetoric like youre awful if youre not willing to date a transgendered person and youre a bigot if you dont think biological men should be playing in womens sports leagues is largely to blame.

rhetoric like that does not actually get used. you are misunderstanding it, either intentionally or due to your own ignorance

What happens when it does get used and legitimately liberal and left wing people like Joe Rogan and Tim Pool get labeled alt-right? Surely that's not getting people from the non-conservative side to be annoyed with you?

as I said, it does not get used, so your question is irrelevant.

and I do not care about joe rogan and tim pool

Except it does. Literally on this board. A few month back there was a topic where the TC insisted if you weren't willing to take it up the butt in [current year] you're a homophobe

I remember a topic on 261 stating that actors that wouldnt do sex scenes or just kiss scenes with another actor of the same sex were homophones, reasoning being that its just acting so they should be ok with doing it.

Zodd3224 posted...

SageHarpuia posted...

averagejoel posted...

USB-C posted...

averagejoel posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Its sad, but I do think that rhetoric like youre awful if youre not willing to date a transgendered person and youre a bigot if you dont think biological men should be playing in womens sports leagues is largely to blame.

rhetoric like that does not actually get used. you are misunderstanding it, either intentionally or due to your own ignorance

What happens when it does get used and legitimately liberal and left wing people like Joe Rogan and Tim Pool get labeled alt-right? Surely that's not getting people from the non-conservative side to be annoyed with you?

as I said, it does not get used, so your question is irrelevant.

and I do not care about joe rogan and tim pool

Except it does. Literally on this board. A few month back there was a topic where the TC insisted if you weren't willing to take it up the butt in [current year] you're a homophobe

Probably just joking. The same way you are just joking when you spam the N word in every Discord server you pop into.

the actual rhetoric is more like this:

society is transphobic
you were raised in society
therefore, it's reasonable to assume that you have internalized some transphobic ideas
it is also reasonable to assume that this might have an effect on your dating habits
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USB-C posted...

averagejoel posted...

0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Its sad, but I do think that rhetoric like youre awful if youre not willing to date a transgendered person and youre a bigot if you dont think biological men should be playing in womens sports leagues is largely to blame.

rhetoric like that does not actually get used. you are misunderstanding it, either intentionally or due to your own ignorance

What happens when it does get used and legitimately liberal and left wing people like Joe Rogan and Tim Pool get labeled alt-right? Surely that's not getting people from the non-conservative side to be annoyed with you?

You realize there are people who are neither liberal and left or right. I'm sorry but Joe Rogan isn't left-wing. Not anymore. Yet I will defend him any time someone dares to call him alt right as that is bullshit.

Name calling is easy, blame is easy. The reality of the situation ISN'T easy.
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