Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 11: Rising Action

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Now if you and Cam can stop trying to throw doubt on the confirmed town scanner and try and find a scum that'd be great.
Unless you plan on going two full games as town without finding a single scum and still claiming Corrik skillz yinz

Corrik7 posted...

That said, 5tar's initial vote on red points to him being town and it not being a ploy. Seemed to have been in the works long before red would have surmised he was already dead.

Gotta read completely, 5tar.

The only thing that was coming off scummy was your refusal to reveal your scan as an outted scanner and no scum roleblocker out there and no way for them to kill you
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I was trying to catch someone going after Ulti as a soft mislynch. It didn't really work out just Tom and Mzero.

5tarscream posted...

Unless you plan on going two full games as town without finding a single scum and still claiming Corrik skillz yinz

I feel you have spent your entire games trying to antagonize me more than work with me.

I went through thousands of posts to make the argument Panthera was scum last game.

I went through thousands of posts to make the argument you could be scum last game erroneously, which may not have resulted in your death or led me on that journey if you hadn't been arguing an impossible mafia setup.

You also were pushing town in your counter.

I was given a choice between to town to decide to vote that day. Who I thought equally could have been scum, and I chose the one I felt would hurt the least if I was wrong.

It worked out. We won the game. Why are you so salty about my play every game?

Is your plan to work with town to win the game or to call people likely town and do nothing but antagonize them?

Do you see my post to cam? I think he is town, so now I want to work with him. You think I am town and say things that make me want to AFK to spite you.

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5tarscream posted...

I was trying to catch someone going after Ulti as a soft mislynch. It didn't really work out just Tom and Mzero.

What did Ulti scan as?
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Ulti is a good scanchoice at least.
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htaeD posted...

Ulti is a good scanchoice at least.

I agree. If he can be confirmed town, that helps me a lot.
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Lea3Lea posted...

Calling my flavour safe listy is EXACTLY what sbell said

Newsflash if Han actually hadn't read the Doom story why would it be on the safelist anyway Tom?

Yeah but my comment wasn't serious. His sounds like it's a legit thing he's thinking.

Morning guys. I'm sorry. I passed out last night and I really wanted to be caught up and such. It hasn't been easy this game.
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Though for the reason that 5tar did it, he probably should have scanned Mzero or sbell instead and find out if they were flavor-evil or not.
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You're literally complaining about not wanting to work with town in the same post as threatening to afk to spite me even though you know I'm town. For someone that is so abrassive you have awfully thin skin my friend. All I said was that you are always professing your mafia skills and I haven't seen them.
Also I'm pretty sure I got Panth on his flavour slip last game and you didn't buy it because you said it wouldn't have been fair for the host to make it so obvious for us to work out.
You also dismiss my read on you saying nobody can work our your playstyle. If you can't take being criticised for your boasting maybe don't boast so much.
I would love to work with any and all town members.
That's why I shared the scan.

What are your thoughts on MZero and Tom and do they change at all knowing that Ulti is town?

Ulti's flavour is a quote from Great Gatsby about cleaning the pool.

I think that both SBell and MZero are good candidates for a lynch without scanning. I felt that confirming or clearing Ulti gave us more to play with. Though I see your point. I did consider hb and SBell a little but I was basically torn between Tom and Ulti on who to scan.

Oh its a quote?
I thought it was just the charactername...
Then again I thought red would flip Lovecraft the author based on how I read your posts instead of Nyarlahotep.
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Also having never read the Great Gatsby, can you tell me why that flavor makes Ulti town?
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Honestly Tom is giving me more and more concerns myself based on my reread.
He starts day2 saying he never suspected red day1, when I am pretty sure he at least once stated that he no longer thought red was certain town before day2.
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It seems to be different each scan. Which is why I didn't want to reveal yesterdays exact scan so scum didn't know what to lie about and what to tell the truth about. The two scans giving different info is a positive though I think it make sit harder for scum to fake part of their flavour.
Though admittedly it's a double edged sword. If red had claimed something from Lovecraft that suggested town I'd have been stuck. Good job he went full bs with the claim then hard stuck to it even after I caught it.

5tarscream posted...

All I said was that you are always professing your mafia skills and I haven't seen them.

You have barely ever played with me! That said, I have professed my scum skill and said my town skill is notably below it.

You just have antagonized my play, basically saying you are ignoring my town slot. Why would I even want to consider working with someone who is ignoring my slot? = /
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Also Mzero was the counterlynch to red for a while day1. I am hesitant to call mzero scum just for that, because when is town ever that accurate day1.
(note not too serious an opinion here)
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5tarscream posted...

It seems to be different each scan. Which is why I didn't want to reveal yesterdays exact scan so scum didn't know what to lie about and what to tell the truth about. The two scans giving different info is a positive though I think it make sit harder for scum to fake part of their flavour.
Though admittedly it's a double edged sword. If red had claimed something from Lovecraft that suggested town I'd have been stuck. Good job he went full bs with the claim then hard stuck to it even after I caught it.

Nobody is going to lie about their flavor now with you here unless it is a mass claim, which we definitely are not doing yet, or you are dead, which they can't likely achieve until they find the doctor.
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5tarscream posted...

It seems to be different each scan. Which is why I didn't want to reveal yesterdays exact scan so scum didn't know what to lie about and what to tell the truth about. The two scans giving different info is a positive though I think it make sit harder for scum to fake part of their flavour.
Though admittedly it's a double edged sword. If red had claimed something from Lovecraft that suggested town I'd have been stuck. Good job he went full bs with the claim then hard stuck to it even after I caught it.

If he had changed his flavor I would have voted him anyway.
he was trapped the moment you swooped in.
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It's more of a comparison to the scum flips. They are clearly evil flavours and Ulti's is, for want of a better word, insignificant. Which lines up way better with Chris's flavour than the scum flips. Without that information it would have been much harder to make the judgement.

Chris still helping from beyond the grave. You the real MVP.

5tarscream posted...

What are your thoughts on MZero and Tom and do they change at all knowing that Ulti is town?

I have felt Mzero was scum and Tom was town and Pez was scum since day 1/day 2.

I don't think Ulti being town really changes much besides that I can cross Ulti off who I thought was scum. Because I definitely thought he was.

HB
Lolo
Pez
And Mzero are basically the 4 I think are most likely scum.
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5tarscream posted...

I think that both SBell and MZero are good candidates for a lynch without scanning. I felt that confirming or clearing Ulti gave us more to play with. Though I see your point. I did consider hb and SBell a little but I was basically torn between Tom and Ulti on who to scan.

Frankly I've got nothing on mzero. Shit let's not kid around, I've got nothing on nobody.

However, I feel I've done just little enough to make me an easy push for any scum looking to get their first mislynch.

Mzero is pushing me of all people pretty hard. And you need to think about why. What scummy thing have I done other than not help.

Lynch him first. If he's town, lynch me after to satisfy your needs. Eh?
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It's always appreciated when Corrik can tell when you are actually town.
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I agree with HB. MZero and Lolo I don't have real strong reads on. Pez I actually think might be town. I feel like his blurb about Sultan seemed genuine. Like he could have just dropped his suspicions and moved on when nobody bit but he went through a longish process of trying to see why he thought Sultan was scum and what he might have missed based on a lack of support. It seems like most people agree Tom and Pez are on opposite sides we just can't nail down which is which.

Ohhhh let's make them same time claim and lynch the worse flavour. j/k

I didn't like you defending HB who I STILL think looks pretty scummy.

Can you tell me exactly why HB looks clear town to you?

Pez is the only one on that list I am unsure of right now.
Lolo annoyingly never interacted with red or Luis to my recollection. Mzero barely.
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5tarscream posted...

I agree with HB. MZero and Lolo I don't have real strong reads on. Pez I actually think might be town. I feel like his blurb about Sultan seemed genuine. Like he could have just dropped his suspicions and moved on when nobody bit but he went through a longish process of trying to see why he thought Sultan was scum and what he might have missed based on a lack of support. It seems like most people agree Tom and Pez are on opposite sides we just can't nail down which is which.

Ohhhh let's make them same time claim and lynch the worse flavour. j/k

I feel like as town he was way more over the top with the roommate powers crap. He seems way less prevalent on it. Almost like he is afraid to go there because he is scum. He wants it to have mass respect when he is town and doesn't wanna sully it by using it as scum.

While Tom seems to be more prevalent in mentioning it.

I think it is likelier pez is scum based on that.
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Is there a limit to poisoners btw? Like, if there is one, can they just poision a different person everynight and just kill 2 town without counter until they're caught? Because that sounds like horse shit.

Usually they are just a 1time thing.
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Now I am imagining of making a sk poisoner for a future game thoug. mwhaha.
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Hmmm.

I think a concern I have about Tom being scum again was that he was literally caught changing his style by pez and tried to change back to his town style last game but it was too late and death got him.

Based on that he'd know not to make that slip out the gate especially with pez in the game again. It's sort of a lose-lose situation for Tom. He's either actually town or he's scum and knows how to hide that tell. That's why I feel looking at Tom's style this game is pointless. His attitude towards red and Ulti is more telling.
Also by soft reading pez scum he distances himself from a town flip mislynch on pez by not fully committing whilst at the same time leaking out the possibility that pez is scum so people look for it. We are all guilty of seeing what we are looking for instead of being impartial. I feel like scum Tom's biggest fear would be a town pez.

I will say Pez and tom were behaving oddly day2.
Pez (sorta) had to be convinced by Chris that red was scum, and Tom had to be convinced by Pez that red was scum (sorta).
Its a confusing chain of events.
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Maybe their both scum and they know we'll lynch one and clear the other.
Those monsters.

Votals (as of post 433)
(4) SBell: Puns, MZero, (Ben), (Lea), Lopen, Tom
(3) MZero: (Lea), (Ben), (5tar), Ulti, Lea, Ben
(1) Lea: (Tom), Hb
(1) Tom: (Lopen), Cam
(0) Ben: (Lopen)
(0) Hb: (Lopen)

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to reach a majority. Day will end on Wednesday, June 26th at 9PM EDT or if majority is reached ahead of time.

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Day 2, less helpful than day1:
lea started strong with immediately renewing her attack on red. 5tar and Lopen later join too. good for them.

Bens vote on red was rather weak, just doing it for Chris he said. But I can give him a minor point.

Puns wanted to lynch sbell instead of red. Bad puns. This was back when red did not look like the leadtrain yet

HB threw red under the bus, but didnt vote him right away. Average look

Later corrik showed up and calls most votes on red bad votes. Honestly more impressed with him taking a stand than not.

Not reading reds posts much at this point, since he everything he said day2 can be considered WIFOM.

Ulti also came in to call red scum eventually.

Sbell was too behind at the time to make a comment evidently.

Mzero ignored it alltogether and had his vote parked on sbell. Not a good look.
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I actually think Lopen's reads are really strong too. I feel he's our best player and unfortuantely that makes him likely gone very soon. I'd love to see a detailed breakdown of his reads on every player at some point today. Logic or gut or both.

5tarscream posted...

Is there a limit to poisoners btw? Like, if there is one, can they just poision a different person everynight and just kill 2 town without counter until they're caught? Because that sounds like horse shit.

If it's multi use it would be usable night 1, 3, 5 and death occur night 2, 4, 6.

But, I doubt it is here because it is hard to balance potentially that many extra kills. At least without a poison curer which doubtfully exists since Chris died to his poison last night.
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sometimes docs can block a poisoning, but they cant stop it once its inside the person already
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htaeD posted...

sometimes docs can block a poisoning, but they cant stop it once its inside the person already

Zero chance Chris wouldn't have been protected night 1. So, that theory is out.
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Be very surprised if there wasn't a town tracker with all the re-director roles scum has and with what I felt was a lightning rod soft claim earlier this game.
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I wish Ulti had claimed before you revealed that, 5star

Lea3Lea posted...

I wish Ulti had claimed before you revealed that, 5star

Why? It makes no difference.
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He can't possibly get caught in a lie now. I don't think the flavour split is clear enough to be a slam dunk alone. It's probably fine but suboptimal

Lea3Lea posted...

He can't possibly get caught in a lie now. I don't think the flavour split is clear enough to be a slam dunk alone. It's probably fine but suboptimal

Why would they ever lie about their flavor with a flavor scanner.

It makes absolutely zero sense.
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I mean you cant please everyone.
You can feel free to iso Ulti and see what you find but Im fine clearing him and looking elsewhere for now.
Did you see my other reads? Any comments? Anything you disagree with? Can I interest you in a bagel maybe?

So all we know right now about Ulti is

-Great Gatsby

-swimming pool

And you're telling me he's clearly town?

I....question if you know anything about the Great Gatsby, 5tar

Corrik7 posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Corrik I came around on day 2. He;s town

Can you show me where you came around on me day 2? If impossible to show, can you explain when you came around on me day 2? If both are impossible, then I understand. Thanks for coming around on me.

Yes, there is a specific time and post where I say it. But you'll have to wait till im off work for me to go find it
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turbopuns3 posted...

So all we know right now about Ulti is

-Great Gatsby

-swimming pool

And you're telling me he's clearly town?

I....question if you know anything about the Great Gatsby, 5tar

I warned you that flavor could be considered bad.

However, I think we have to go with sinister evil as the split.

Gatsby being mistakenly thought to have killed someone's lover and being shot and killed in his pool hardly seems to be very sinister.
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Idk the letter g is pretty sinister evil

turbopuns3 posted...

Idk the letter g is pretty sinister evil

Wouldn't be surprised if villagers have very simplistic flavors.

Looking at you Mr. Harry Potter.
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