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Lopen
06/24/19 11:57:55 PM
#301:


Lea3Lea posted...
Red basically claimed scum when he claimed Watcher (to the good players)


My GUT says you're trying to flatter me to get me to join your lynch but I simply can't support an MZero lynch.
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Lea3Lea
06/24/19 11:58:35 PM
#302:


pezloco posted...
I'm curious about SBell. But I think I'm curious for different reasons than Tom.

SBell is acting noticeably different from last game. But also openly acknowledging that fact. That tells me he's likely doing one of three things.

He's scum trying to hide in plain sight.

He's town power trying to look scummy enough to be left alone at night.

He's town villager trying to trick scum into targeting him at night.

I could see it as any of those three options. I don't know him well enough to try to pick. I want to know what you guys think his alignment is given this breakdown, or if you just think I'm plain wrong. I will not vote him in order to force a claim though.

Since you guys brought up MZero, him I would put more pressure on happily. I'm just less convinced it will be productive. He hasn't done enough in the game for us to give each other meaningful reads on him. I suppose we could all vote him right now to try to make him appear. But I think I need content from him directly to read him.


But...where will the content come from without the pressure...? I think Sbell is playing up the beleaguered town shtick a bit much, but whatever his alignment he's certainly trying to softclaim power
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Lopen
06/24/19 11:59:31 PM
#303:


If we're to crossover into the land of logic, as much as my gut hates it, I feel like SBell was actually posting more attempts at content before getting suspicions, then coasted into a decline after doing so.

I'm not sure that's an accurate recollection, however. I'll have to look into it.
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Lea3Lea
06/25/19 12:00:01 AM
#304:


Lopen posted...
Lea3Lea posted...
Red basically claimed scum when he claimed Watcher (to the good players)


My GUT says you're trying to flatter me to get me to join your lynch but I simply can't support an MZero lynch.


Can I ask why?

Part (failed) flattery, part genuine kicking myself for believing it without giving it any thought
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Tom Bombadil
06/25/19 12:00:08 AM
#305:


Lopen posted...
I thought he was too once she claimed but consider before the claim. Do you think she should've felt a reason to feel "pegged?" Do you think she was his lean before that?


I WAS considering before the claim. The claim and fallout elevated it from "he's probably actually going after her" to "she dead"

I was all ready to lynch Chris d2 waiting for the Luis flip >_>
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pezloco
06/25/19 12:01:51 AM
#306:


Lopen posted...
Tom Bombadil posted...

So do you think a scum would be more likely to play it risky or a town?

Like either way that fakeclaim is going to sound like nonsense. Does a scum gain some sort of confidence that they will be believed from it being on the safelist? Consider also that the scum player has to answer to his team if he's instantly vaporized-- there's less community among town I think.


Lea3Lea posted...
We've established that even the Reddest of players will claim if they get enough votes, I maintain we should keep doing that. Red basically claimed scum when he claimed Watcher (to the good players) so let's do that again


I don't know that you can predict what people will do with their claim if they think they'll be hammered soon for not claiming. Scare lied about being cop to draw scum's attention. SBell lied about his role to try to draw scum's attention. Both of those were D1 in WWE mafia.

Red lied about his role to presumably live an extra day. I'd much rather rely on reads, my own first and then weigh what the other people are saying after, than rely on a pressured claim.
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Lea3Lea
06/25/19 12:02:03 AM
#307:


I never felt in the slightest danger Day One, for the record. Chris and I do this dance every game.
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Tom Bombadil
06/25/19 12:03:00 AM
#308:


Lopen posted...
I feel like SBell was actually posting more attempts at content before getting suspicions, then coasted into a decline after doing so.


what do you feel like this indicates, Mr. Gut Man?
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pezloco
06/25/19 12:03:42 AM
#309:


Lea3Lea posted...
pezloco posted...
I'm curious about SBell. But I think I'm curious for different reasons than Tom.

SBell is acting noticeably different from last game. But also openly acknowledging that fact. That tells me he's likely doing one of three things.

He's scum trying to hide in plain sight.

He's town power trying to look scummy enough to be left alone at night.

He's town villager trying to trick scum into targeting him at night.

I could see it as any of those three options. I don't know him well enough to try to pick. I want to know what you guys think his alignment is given this breakdown, or if you just think I'm plain wrong. I will not vote him in order to force a claim though.

Since you guys brought up MZero, him I would put more pressure on happily. I'm just less convinced it will be productive. He hasn't done enough in the game for us to give each other meaningful reads on him. I suppose we could all vote him right now to try to make him appear. But I think I need content from him directly to read him.


But...where will the content come from without the pressure...? I think Sbell is playing up the beleaguered town shtick a bit much, but whatever his alignment he's certainly trying to softclaim power


Oh yeah MZero needs to be pressured to bring content probably. Maybe I wasn't clear. At this current moment MZero is not here and I can't learn anything about him from you guys. I think I might be able to learn something about SBell from you guys. Hence I'm choosing to ask about SBell. Pressuring SBell for a claim doesn't interest me as much as hearing what you guys think he might be doing.
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Tom Bombadil
06/25/19 12:04:50 AM
#310:


Lea3Lea posted...
I never felt in the slightest danger Day One, for the record. Chris and I do this dance every game.


don't muddle my working theory with your hard evidence
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Lopen
06/25/19 12:05:24 AM
#311:


MZero's been pushed weakly reliably, without any real attempt to build the case. Just yelling about it. Also two people who jumped off red went to him.

I dunno he seems like a scumpark lynch to me. It's the reason why Ben has suspicion from me at this point (unfortunately that reason was too logic driven for gut to abide). And you, to a lesser extent, but I'm letting you resolve yourself.

As for SBell, Mr. Gut Man wants him to perish for that but Mr. Logic Man says I should actually confirm what Mr. Gut Man tells me first... but... but...

##Unvote:
##Vote: SBell


I can't stop him.
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Tom Bombadil
06/25/19 12:05:31 AM
#312:


mr Guts Man
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Lea3Lea
06/25/19 12:05:54 AM
#313:


It's the middle of the day for Mzero, but I (and others?) are going to bed. If he doesn't have a lot of votes we'll just wake up to no content (because he "gave us sbell on a silver platter" somehow). This is how you must fight the time shifted devil
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Lopen
06/25/19 12:07:07 AM
#314:


I trust MZero's platter. Let's do it.
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Tom Bombadil
06/25/19 12:07:41 AM
#315:


I would still like to hear the rehash of the argument against the guy

because I'm still at "he sure is just as absent as he was last game as town" but not as absent as Lolo

...actually there's a logic puzzler for me
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Lea3Lea
06/25/19 12:08:22 AM
#316:


Mzero hasn't posted enough to build a really good case on him. People won't vote or pressure him to post more because the case isn't good. It is truly the ultimate strategy
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Tom Bombadil
06/25/19 12:08:55 AM
#317:


I don't suppose anybody would care to back up Lea's claim that this is par for the Lea/Chris course would they
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pezloco
06/25/19 12:08:55 AM
#318:


Lopen posted...
MZero's been pushed weakly reliably, without any real attempt to build the case. Just yelling about it. Also two people who jumped off red went to him.


Don't bury the lede, who jumped off red and went to MZero? This only matters if those people look scummy themselves.
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benjamin3740
06/25/19 12:09:09 AM
#319:


Well. Like I said I don't really care whether it's Mzero or Sbell. Both are on my hit list. But I do expect only one of the two is scum.
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Tom Bombadil
06/25/19 12:09:30 AM
#320:


Lea3Lea posted...
Mzero hasn't posted enough to build a really good case on him. People won't vote or pressure him to post more because the case isn't good. It is truly the ultimate strategy


How do you feel about Lolo?
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pezloco
06/25/19 12:10:00 AM
#321:


Lea3Lea posted...
It's the middle of the day for Mzero, but I (and others?) are going to bed. If he doesn't have a lot of votes we'll just wake up to no content (because he "gave us sbell on a silver platter" somehow). This is how you must fight the time shifted devil


I'm not sure it's the middle of the day for him. I think based on his timeline in WWE, he's only been up for about 2 hours. So, he could easily just be settling in at work at the moment.
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benjamin3740
06/25/19 12:10:03 AM
#322:


Tom Bombadil posted...
I would still like to hear the rehash of the argument against the guy

because I'm still at "he sure is just as absent as he was last game as town" but not as absent as Lolo

...actually there's a logic puzzler for me

I keep reiterating it's not at all about him being absent. That is normal.
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Tom Bombadil
06/25/19 12:10:08 AM
#323:


wait sorry what is your REASONING on Lolo?
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benjamin3740
06/25/19 12:10:29 AM
#324:


Tom Bombadil posted...
I don't suppose anybody would care to back up Lea's claim that this is par for the Lea/Chris course would they

It is definitely totally for sure
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Lea3Lea
06/25/19 12:10:30 AM
#325:


Tom Bombadil posted...
I would still like to hear the rehash of the argument against the guy

because I'm still at "he sure is just as absent as he was last game as town" but not as absent as Lolo

...actually there's a logic puzzler for me


Do you understand why he thought Corrik was town, then scum?

Do you think his reason for voting Sbell of "Sbell was clearly salty scum that they lost one player!!!!" really should be regarded by him as reason to do literally nothing different on day three? Like do you think he's really been going "hmmm how I can figure out who scum in this game is" or has a thought pattern about his reads that aren't just him starting at the result and working backwards (bc scum knowledge) ?
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Lopen
06/25/19 12:10:40 AM
#326:


pezloco posted...
Don't bury the lede, who jumped off red and went to MZero? This only matters if those people look scummy themselves.


Ben and Lea both jumped with little fight or thought. Both talking about scum watcher, also, which I found doubly weird. It was very suspicious to me at the time. When I actually want to do research on the day I'm going to look into both.
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Tom Bombadil
06/25/19 12:10:42 AM
#327:


benjamin3740 posted...
I keep reiterating it's not at all about him being absent. That is normal.

I posted...
I would still like to hear the rehash of the argument against the guy

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benjamin3740
06/25/19 12:11:15 AM
#328:


pezloco posted...
Lopen posted...
MZero's been pushed weakly reliably, without any real attempt to build the case. Just yelling about it. Also two people who jumped off red went to him.


Don't bury the lede, who jumped off red and went to MZero? This only matters if those people look scummy themselves.

Pretty sure it was the usual suspects - me and Lea. I mean we're not sneaky about the Mzero hate
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Lea3Lea
06/25/19 12:11:53 AM
#329:


Tom Bombadil posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
I keep reiterating it's not at all about him being absent. That is normal.

I posted...
I would still like to hear the rehash of the argument against the guy

Lea3Lea posted...
Tom Bombadil posted...
I would still like to hear the rehash of the argument against the guy

because I'm still at "he sure is just as absent as he was last game as town" but not as absent as Lolo

...actually there's a logic puzzler for me


Do you understand why he thought Corrik was town, then scum?

Do you think his reason for voting Sbell of "Sbell was clearly salty scum that they lost one player!!!!" really should be regarded by him as reason to do literally nothing different on day three? Like do you think he's really been going "hmmm how I can figure out who scum in this game is" or has a thought pattern about his reads that aren't just him starting at the result and working backwards (bc scum knowledge) ?
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benjamin3740
06/25/19 12:12:21 AM
#330:


pezloco posted...
Lea3Lea posted...
It's the middle of the day for Mzero, but I (and others?) are going to bed. If he doesn't have a lot of votes we'll just wake up to no content (because he "gave us sbell on a silver platter" somehow). This is how you must fight the time shifted devil


I'm not sure it's the middle of the day for him. I think based on what he said on the scumboard, he's only been up for about 2 hours. So, he could easily just be settling in at work at the moment.

Hmmm
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Camarija
06/25/19 12:13:11 AM
#331:


Tom + 5tarscream + Puns + ???

Weird team

I never would have imagined
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benjamin3740
06/25/19 12:13:50 AM
#332:


Camarija posted...
Tom + 5tarscream + Puns + ???

Weird team

I never would have imagined

Go to bed
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Camarija
06/25/19 12:14:14 AM
#333:


(hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe)
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Tom Bombadil
06/25/19 12:14:19 AM
#334:


benjamin3740 posted...
Tom Bombadil posted...
I don't suppose anybody would care to back up Lea's claim that this is par for the Lea/Chris course would they

It is definitely totally for sure


TRAPPED you're lea's scumbuddy now

that's how logic works right I'm not sure but I think I got it you post stuff and yell TRAPPED at people

Lopen posted...
Ben and Lea both jumped with little fight or thought.


They were both kinda doing that all the first day or two though right?

Lea3Lea posted...
Do you understand why he thought Corrik was town, then scum?

Do you think his reason for voting Sbell of "Sbell was clearly salty scum that they lost one player!!!!" really should be regarded by him as reason to do literally nothing different on day three? Like do you think he's really been going "hmmm how I can figure out who scum in this game is" or has a thought pattern about his reads that aren't just him starting at the result and working backwards (bc scum knowledge) ?


A) ...don't remember >_>

B) Fair!
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pezloco
06/25/19 12:14:34 AM
#335:


Lopen posted...
pezloco posted...
Don't bury the lede, who jumped off red and went to MZero? This only matters if those people look scummy themselves.


Ben and Lea both jumped with little fight or thought. Both talking about scum watcher, also, which I found doubly weird. It was very suspicious to me at the time. When I actually want to do research on the day I'm going to look into both.


Noted. I'm not really concerned about Lea's switch at all. I don't have a read on Ben.
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Lopen
06/25/19 12:15:27 AM
#336:


Tom Bombadil posted...
They were both kinda doing that all the first day or two though right?


Sure, but this was the first truly meaty lynch I think. I feel like random hoppers should potentially get less of a pass, depending. Like I said, it's something I want to look into.
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Tom Bombadil
06/25/19 12:16:14 AM
#337:


I didn't like Ben D1, forgot about him D2, and feel like he kinda stepped up late d2/today

too bad I don't get to feel right now!benjamin3740 posted...
Camarija posted...
Tom + 5tarscream + Puns + ???

Weird team

I never would have imagined

Go to bed


but only if you announce it first
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benjamin3740
06/25/19 12:17:13 AM
#338:


Tom Bombadil posted...
I didn't like Ben D1, forgot about him D2, and feel like he kinda stepped up late d2/today

too bad I don't get to feel right now


TRAPPED
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Tom Bombadil
06/25/19 12:17:30 AM
#339:


Lopen posted...
Sure, but this was the first truly meaty lynch I think. I feel like random hoppers should potentially get less of a pass, depending


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Tom Bombadil
06/25/19 12:17:42 AM
#340:


benjamin3740 posted...
Tom Bombadil posted...
I didn't like Ben D1, forgot about him D2, and feel like he kinda stepped up late d2/today

too bad I don't get to feel right now


TRAPPED


damn
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Lea3Lea
06/25/19 12:19:55 AM
#341:


Tom Bombadil posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Tom Bombadil posted...
I don't suppose anybody would care to back up Lea's claim that this is par for the Lea/Chris course would they

It is definitely totally for sure


TRAPPED you're lea's scumbuddy now

that's how logic works right I'm not sure but I think I got it you post stuff and yell TRAPPED at people

Lopen posted...
Ben and Lea both jumped with little fight or thought.


They were both kinda doing that all the first day or two though right?

Lea3Lea posted...
Do you understand why he thought Corrik was town, then scum?

Do you think his reason for voting Sbell of "Sbell was clearly salty scum that they lost one player!!!!" really should be regarded by him as reason to do literally nothing different on day three? Like do you think he's really been going "hmmm how I can figure out who scum in this game is" or has a thought pattern about his reads that aren't just him starting at the result and working backwards (bc scum knowledge) ?


A) ...don't remember >_>

B) Fair!


I'd advise looking it up. He calls Corrik obvtown day one "for acting like Corrik" when I pressed. I asked him what he thought Scum Corrik would be acting like and he said he had no idea. Then day two Mzero voted him and suddenly Corrik was magically no longer acting like Corrik. And now he's just parked his vote on Sbell and regardless of Sbell's alignment it demonstrates zero curiousity in figuring out the game, as town does
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Tom Bombadil
06/25/19 12:27:24 AM
#342:


Speaking of which, that was some good content and my vote on you ain't doing much so perhaps the LOGICAL~ choice as I start to run outta steam for the night is

well hang on I was about to switch to sbell but how many does he have
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Lea3Lea
06/25/19 12:28:42 AM
#343:


"Not eight"
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Lea3Lea
06/25/19 12:29:01 AM
#344:


I mean seven
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Tom Bombadil
06/25/19 12:29:57 AM
#345:


I think 5

which is more than I feel comfortable with hopping on when I don't fully trust my counting
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Tom Bombadil
06/25/19 12:34:27 AM
#346:


puns
mzero
ben
lea
lopen

if I DO trust my counting though, 5/8 is fine I guess

##Unvote: Lea
##Vote: Sbell

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Tom Bombadil
06/25/19 12:37:23 AM
#347:


guys you didn't all announce you were going to bed
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Lopen
06/25/19 12:37:56 AM
#348:


I'm going to bed.
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Lea3Lea
06/25/19 12:39:09 AM
#349:


I switched back to mzero
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Lea3Lea
06/25/19 12:39:36 AM
#350:


Actually so did Ben

Sbell has too few votes now!
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