Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing

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Votals (as of post 50 blaze it)
(5) MZero: (Lea), (Ben), (5tar), (Ulti), (Lea), (Ben), (Ulti), (Pez), Ulti, (Lea), (Corrik), Ben, SBell, Death, Lea
(4) SBell: Puns, MZero, (Ben), (Lea), (Lopen), (Tom), (Corrik), Cam, (Corrik), Corrik, (Death)
(2) Lolo: (Corrik), (Tom), (SBell), Tom, Lopen, (Lea), (Lea)
(1) Lea: (Tom), Hb
(1) Cam: (5tar), (Ulti), (SBell), (Tom), Lolo, (Corrik)
(0) Tom: (Lopen), (Cam)
(0) Pez: (Ben), (Ulti)
(0) Lopen: (Corrik)
(0) Hb: (Corrik)
(0) Puns: (SBell)
(0) Ben: (Lopen)
(0) Hb: (Lopen)

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to reach a majority. Day will end on Wednesday, June 26th at 9PM EDT, roughly 1 hour and 42 minutes from now, or if majority is reached ahead of time.

These votals should now be correct.
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Lea3Lea posted...

But Pez, Mzero was super confident in his town reads earlier on (which he basically hasn't mentioned since). It was the whole thing I was on him for, saying Corrik and Lopen were obv town and Chris was probably town based on nothing

This is a good point. I'm not sure if that differentiates him from WWE last game. He was very confident 5tar was town (he was) but the rest of the game wasn't as confident. He was very confident IGCD was town before the whole debacle he caused. So, I'm not sure those town reads he gave are a scum tell. I think it might be more null.
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Hey Tom/Lopen. Since this day is most likely coming down to Mzero/Sbell - Which of the two would you vote for?
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Probably Sbell but I reserve the right to GRADUALLY SHIFT in mzero's direction
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So, we pick between MZero and Sbell?
Of the two, I'd say MZero has looked scummier, and both have people I think are fairly scummy on them. Let me think about it.
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Hbthebattle posted...

So, we pick between MZero and Sbell?
Of the two, I'd say MZero has looked scummier, and both have people I think are fairly scummy on them. Let me think about it.

I'm still picking between Lolo and SBell personally.
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Well my first argument is that Sbell is being way more honest about himself and with us. Mzero is clearly putting on a show (especially in his refusal to claim). There's no town motivation in the things he's doing.

My second argument is - if you want to get a better read on Lea, figure out Mzero. Lea's been pushing Mzero since day 1 and that flip will force Lea's hand to do something more than yell about Mzero.
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Noted!

wasn't this the day that sbell gave us permission to lynch him
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Hbthebattle posted...

So, we pick between MZero and Sbell?
Of the two, I'd say MZero has looked scummier, and both have people I think are fairly scummy on them. Let me think about it.

Do you care enough to get people to join you on anyone else?
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Noted!

wasn't this the day that sbell gave us permission to lynch him

He said to lynch him if there's no guilty scan lol
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I might be the only one that still wants to vote hb

His pushing of MZero over SBell makes me want to do the opposite.

Tag.
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Heuer.

##unvote:
##vote: hb
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5tarscream posted...

His pushing of MZero over SBell makes me want to do the opposite.

Please don't >_>

Between those two AND HB and Lolo, the only consistent thought I have on the matter is that killing Sbell today would be a tragedy.
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Am I dead yet? Just got home
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If it's between me and X and X hasn't claimed and you think there is a good chance they are town power then your vote should be on me.
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benjamin3740 posted...

5tarscream posted...

His pushing of MZero over SBell makes me want to do the opposite.

Please don't >_>

Between those two AND HB and Lolo, the only consistent thought I have on the matter is that killing Sbell today would be a tragedy.

Kind words.
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Obellisk posted...

If it's between me and X and X hasn't claimed and you think there is a good chance they are town power then your vote should be on me.

I like this post

Obellisk posted...

Am I dead yet? Just got home

I don't like this post. >_> Either you're posting without checking day is over or you know dang well day is still going. Maybe this is one of those "joke" things I keep hearing about.
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Wife is putting kids to bed, I should be here until the end.

@5tarscream, I'm not voting HB today. Of the three HP flavors the only one I would and am considering voting for is Lolo. I think HB has been a mislynch target all game.

I'm totally lost on SBell still. You could persuade me to go there. But my gut keeps telling me Lolo.
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Obellisk posted...

If it's between me and X and X hasn't claimed and you think there is a good chance they are town power then your vote should be on me.

No chance. Mzero went to bed playing straight up anti-town the entire way. I've never been one to lynch people for simply playing badly - I just do not think Town Mzero pulls that.But ESPECIALLY if he's a power role.
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The VOTALS Tree:
(5) MZero: (Lea), (Ben), (5tar), (Ulti), (Lea), (Ben), (Ulti), (Pez), Ulti, (Lea), (Corrik), Ben, SBell, Death, Lea
(3) SBell: Puns, MZero, (Ben), (Lea), (Lopen), (Tom), (Corrik), Cam, (Corrik), (Corrik), (Death)
(2) Lolo: (Corrik), (Tom), (SBell), Tom, Lopen, (Lea), (Lea)
(1) Lea: (Tom), Hb
(1) Cam: (5tar), (Ulti), (SBell), (Tom), Lolo, (Corrik)
(1) Hb: (Corrik), Corrik
(0) Tom: (Lopen), (Cam)
(0) Pez: (Ben), (Ulti)
(0) Lopen: (Corrik)
(0) Puns: (SBell)
(0) Ben: (Lopen)
(0) Hb: (Lopen)

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to reach a majority. Day will end on Wednesday, June 26th at 9PM EDT, roughly 52 minutes from now, or if majority is reached ahead of time.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Obellisk posted...

If it's between me and X and X hasn't claimed and you think there is a good chance they are town power then your vote should be on me.

I like this post

Obellisk posted...

Am I dead yet? Just got home

I don't like this post. >_> Either you're posting without checking day is over or you know dang well day is still going. Maybe this is one of those "joke" things I keep hearing about.

I opened gamefaqs, opened topic. Posted am I dead yet cause I haven't seen votals. If I ha e 7 and next person has 2. I'm pretty much dead.
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Hey look, ninjad by votals. 5 - 3. I am still alive
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oh that kinda dead

carry on then
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Obellisk posted...

Hey look, ninjad by votals. 5 - 3. I am still alive

You're probably still dead. Leave us with something.
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I wish I had some wise parting words but I'm really fucking dumbfounded this game.

I feel like night 3 is going to be the eye opener here.
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Two kills will make certain of the SK.

One kill ends that theory.
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pezloco posted...

I think HB has been a mislynch target all game.

Can you explain this?
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benjamin3740 posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

So, we pick between MZero and Sbell?
Of the two, I'd say MZero has looked scummier, and both have people I think are fairly scummy on them. Let me think about it.

Do you care enough to get people to join you on anyone else?

No one seems to really suspect Lea anymore except me regardless of what I say, I've softened on Lopen considerably, I don't want to dig into the roommates right now because I'm still trying to work them out (and neither is as scummy as either of these two, and Lolo... Lolo looks odd, but I don't think its past Han to put three HP flavors if he thinks it'd mess with people, and I'm unsure of killing him when we don't have any other protection except maybe Corrik, who I also think is suspect. Puns is someone we still need to work out though, he's definitely still hiding something but I don't think it's SK.

But overall, both Mzero and Sbell have looked pretty lazy, though Sbell has looked the better of the two. Sbell, however, is normally a strong player, so this behavior is out of character more for him than MZero, who's always been semi-inactive.
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Obellisk posted...

Two kills will make certain of the SK.

One kill ends that theory.

Don't like Corrik's claim I'm guessing?
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Hbthebattle posted...

Sbell, however, is normally a strong player

>_>
<_<
>_>
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Hbthebattle posted...

But overall, both Mzero and Sbell have looked pretty lazy, though Sbell has looked the better of the two. Sbell, however, is normally a strong player, so this behavior is out of character more for him than MZero, who's always been semi-inactive.

You've only ever seen sbell with power. Wifom I know, but a true statement.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Sbell, however, is normally a strong player

>_>
<_<
>_>

Yeah I did this too.
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Also, something's kinda weird with Log Faqs, why can't I access RDR2 mafia using it?
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Obellisk posted...

Two kills will make certain of the SK.

One kill ends that theory.

Don't like Corrik's claim I'm guessing?

Just don't know if he was responsible for anything. Healthy skepticism
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am I going to let the "BG to draw a shot" claim from last game go anytime soon? signs point to no

anyhwey

I feel like this is way too quiet for 35m before a kinda-up-in-the-air lynch. Kinda makes me wonder if we don't have two town on the chopping block even though I'm not a big fan of either.
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Obellisk posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

But overall, both Mzero and Sbell have looked pretty lazy, though Sbell has looked the better of the two. Sbell, however, is normally a strong player, so this behavior is out of character more for him than MZero, who's always been semi-inactive.

You've only ever seen sbell with power. Wifom I know, but a true statement.

No, that's wrong. HZD, you were powerless and town.
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Lolo_Guru posted...

pezloco posted...

I think HB has been a mislynch target all game.

Can you explain this?

I explained my reasoning on him being town. My reasoning was based on my read of him as a player and what people were accusing him of. I don't remember who went back and forth with him a bit day one during this particular exchange. But it the result of it was the person accusing HB of trying to lynch someone for playing poorly and not for being a scum. This is a move that scum use for sure. Find someone who did something that was bad for town and accuse them of being scum. Town has a tendency to do that too, so sometimes scum just let it happen.

Based on that exchange I asked the general town if HB should know the difference between playing poorly (anti-town) and being scummy. No one really responded to me. One of the times I was working with Red and giving him a chance to change my read of him, I got Red to respond to that question. He said HB absolutely should.

I went back and reread the exchange. HB totally was accusing the person of being scummy and not accusing them of playing poorly. I did not agree with HB's deductions but I could clearly see how he got to them.

To borrow Chris' term range, I judged HB's range to somewhat low. Chris' arguments against him I think required HB to have a higher range than I saw. But because Chris was arguing them I think the suspicion stuck around on him.

That initial train I think is the origin of all the suspicion on him (prior to HP claims coming out after his). I don't think he's done much of anything to warrant suspicion after. And nothing he's done to me since that exchange sticks out as scummy and also reinforces the range I judged of him in the first place.

Maybe I should say that I think HB has always been a potential mislynch. I think that scum have avoided pointing out that first train on him was bad. I don't think the people who want to lynch him are necessarily scum. Just people whose memory of him is shaded by that initial lynch train.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

am I going to let the "BG to draw a shot" claim from last game go anytime soon? signs point to no

anyhwey

I feel like this is way too quiet for 35m before a kinda-up-in-the-air lynch. Kinda makes me wonder if we don't have two town on the chopping block even though I'm not a big fan of either.

Do you want to make a push for Lolo, then?
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I also really don't like that Pez's argument partially hinges "He's too bad of a player to be scum in this case", but I admittedly have been distracted this game so he hasn't seen my full potential.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Obellisk posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

But overall, both Mzero and Sbell have looked pretty lazy, though Sbell has looked the better of the two. Sbell, however, is normally a strong player, so this behavior is out of character more for him than MZero, who's always been semi-inactive.

You've only ever seen sbell with power. Wifom I know, but a true statement.

No, that's wrong. HZD, you were powerless and town.

What is hzd?

And I'll trust your memory better than mine. I feel like I haven't been vanilla in ages.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

am I going to let the "BG to draw a shot" claim from last game go anytime soon? signs point to no

anyhwey

I feel like this is way too quiet for 35m before a kinda-up-in-the-air lynch. Kinda makes me wonder if we don't have two town on the chopping block even though I'm not a big fan of either.

Do you want to make a push for Lolo, then?

Ideally
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Obellisk posted...

Two kills will make certain of the SK.

One kill ends that theory.

wut

Obellisk posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Obellisk posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

But overall, both Mzero and Sbell have looked pretty lazy, though Sbell has looked the better of the two. Sbell, however, is normally a strong player, so this behavior is out of character more for him than MZero, who's always been semi-inactive.

You've only ever seen sbell with power. Wifom I know, but a true statement.

No, that's wrong. HZD, you were powerless and town.

What is hzd?

And I'll trust your memory better than mine. I feel like I haven't been vanilla in ages.

Horizon Zero Dawn, the game where the only power was the cop who got killed N1.
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Camarija posted...

Obellisk posted...

Two kills will make certain of the SK.

One kill ends that theory.

wut

If day 4 opens with two dead town. Then there is a SK and one kill was stopped night one.

If day 4 opens with one dead town. Then no SK.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

I feel like this is way too quiet for 35m before a kinda-up-in-the-air lynch. Kinda makes me wonder if we don't have two town on the chopping block even though I'm not a big fan of either.

I feel this way too. But the only people in my big pool of suspects I'd consider voting that I don't see is Lopen.

I think I'm inching closer to voting Lolo.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Obellisk posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Obellisk posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

But overall, both Mzero and Sbell have looked pretty lazy, though Sbell has looked the better of the two. Sbell, however, is normally a strong player, so this behavior is out of character more for him than MZero, who's always been semi-inactive.

You've only ever seen sbell with power. Wifom I know, but a true statement.

No, that's wrong. HZD, you were powerless and town.

What is hzd?

And I'll trust your memory better than mine. I feel like I haven't been vanilla in ages.

Horizon Zero Dawn, the game where the only power was the cop who got killed N1.

Oh right. Well that's different. We were all vanilla.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Tom Bombadil posted...

am I going to let the "BG to draw a shot" claim from last game go anytime soon? signs point to no

anyhwey

I feel like this is way too quiet for 35m before a kinda-up-in-the-air lynch. Kinda makes me wonder if we don't have two town on the chopping block even though I'm not a big fan of either.

Do you want to make a push for Lolo, then?

Ideally

Present your argument. I'm interested in this road because it has, admittedly, been quiet.
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