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HairyThotter
07/23/19 3:31:19 PM
#152:


inloveanddeath0 posted...
HairyThotter posted...
Couldn't obesity have something to do with this too? It's pretty rampant in 1st world countries and doesn't exactly help anyone get turned on lol

It's almost as if personality doesn't matter these days


Oh personality definitely matters, but let's not kid ourselves... it's only half the equation, unless friends is all you're looking for.

Assuming you have the social skills, you can be friends with damn near anyone... but if you're not physically/sexually attracted to them... friends is all you'll ever be.

In terms of looking for relationship material... looks will get your foot through the door, and a good personality will keep them coming back.
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Aloner
07/23/19 3:50:47 PM
#153:


The Admiral posted...
Aloner posted...
People aren't entitled to a lot of things but still complain when they get less than others, is my point. No reason to make an exception for social benefits.


That was funny reading joel lecture you on entitlement, given that he's a communist and believes he's entitled to the money of people who earn more than he does.

Hm. Reminds of the wage arguments.

The same people who will look at the wage gap and scream injustice while assuming discrimination will "this is fine" the sex gap in this topic lol.

Because somehow while the sex gap is man's fault, the wage gap is not woman's fault.

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averagejoel
07/23/19 5:38:02 PM
#154:


Aloner posted...
I'm not entitled to a 4K TV, but I'm denied one by virtue of the fact that I can't afford one. Whether you're entitled to something or not has nothing to do with whether or not it's denied to you. >_>

People aren't entitled to a lot of things but still complain when they get less than others, is my point. No reason to make an exception for social benefits.

still, framing it as though men are being "denied" sex implies that it's something women are actively doing to them, which is not really the case
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r25
07/23/19 5:40:15 PM
#155:


Women have a lot of power in the dating world. Today everyone has access to devices such as tinder or snap chat. Women are able to select their mates more specifically now.

Pretty much women are fighting for the alpha males while the betas have to find ways around competitors.
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lydiaquayle
07/23/19 5:45:56 PM
#156:


r25 posted...
Pretty much women are fighting for the alpha males while the betas have to find ways around competitors.

And then those women finally wise up, and end up breaking up with alpha males in favor of the nice betas.
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The Admiral
07/23/19 5:49:48 PM
#157:


lydiaquayle posted...
r25 posted...
Pretty much women are fighting for the alpha males while the betas have to find ways around competitors.

And then those women finally wise up, and end up breaking up with alpha males in favor of the nice betas.


LOL. Sure thing, BBT.
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Twin3Turbo
07/23/19 5:51:06 PM
#158:


lydiaquayle posted...
r25 posted...
Pretty much women are fighting for the alpha males while the betas have to find ways around competitors.

And then those women finally wise up, and end up breaking up with alpha males in favor of the nice betas.

Problem is a lot of those women dont really smarten up for a very long time. When they finally do, its not uncommon for them to come with some combination of emotional, physical, and child baggage

And to add, I wonder how many of them are going to feel as though they settled. I mean, if you chase A for all those years, finally realized that A wasnt going to give you what you want, so then you finally go for B. At the end of the day you really wanted A, thats why you put so much effort into chasing him to begin with. I wouldnt be surprised at all if they ultimately feel like they settled.
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HairyThotter
07/23/19 5:56:20 PM
#159:


Twin3Turbo posted...
lydiaquayle posted...
r25 posted...
Pretty much women are fighting for the alpha males while the betas have to find ways around competitors.

And then those women finally wise up, and end up breaking up with alpha males in favor of the nice betas.

Problem is a lot of those women dont really smarten up for a very long time. When they finally do, its not uncommon for them to come with some combination of emotional, physical, and child baggage


Bingo.

Twin3Turbo posted...
I wouldnt be surprised at all if they ultimately feel like they settled.


I mean... there's a reason women initiate most divorces.
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Aloner
07/23/19 5:59:36 PM
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averagejoel posted...
still, framing it as though men are being "denied" sex implies that it's something women are actively doing to them, which is not really the case

Well that connotation is not intended. It's nature, tradition, etc. forming these dynamics.

lydiaquayle posted...
And then those women finally wise up, and end up breaking up with alpha males in favor of the nice betas.

It's not wising up, then just ran out of time to get the alpha (if you haven't by 30, realistically it's not gonna happen; physical traits only worsen with age). If there was magically an alpha who was also financially stable and also wanted to start a family and was also actually interested in those women, they would be the pick.

But it's an unlikely scenario, so the beta is the fallback for stability, when approching "settle down" age.

But it still sucks for the beta. He basically workhorsed his youth away just to get middle-aged women who are way more experienced than him and as such have high expectations he may not be able to meet. Their social lifestyles were so different that finding a real common ground would probably be a struggle. Feels bad man.
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r25
07/23/19 6:02:14 PM
#162:


Twin3Turbo posted...
lydiaquayle posted...
r25 posted...
Pretty much women are fighting for the alpha males while the betas have to find ways around competitors.

And then those women finally wise up, and end up breaking up with alpha males in favor of the nice betas.

Problem is a lot of those women dont really smarten up for a very long time. When they finally do, its not uncommon for them to come with some combination of emotional, physical, and child baggage

And to add, I wonder how many of them are going to feel as though they settled. I mean, if you chase A for all those years, finally realized that A wasnt going to give you what you want, so then you finally go for B. At the end of the day you really wanted A, thats why you put so much effort into chasing him to begin with. I wouldnt be surprised at all if they ultimately feel like they settled.

No, the real problem (and it's really only a problem for beta) is that alpha can be all that and more.
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Aloner
07/23/19 6:02:38 PM
#163:


HairyThotter posted...
I mean... there's a reason women initiate most divorces.

This is what I mean.

The nerdy yes man "beta" is not a natural fit the retired traveler party girl. It doesn't really work, and eventually she gets bored.
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HairyThotter
07/23/19 6:05:57 PM
#164:


Aloner posted...
HairyThotter posted...
I mean... there's a reason women initiate most divorces.

This is what I mean.

The nerdy yes man "beta" is not a natural fit the retired traveler party girl. It doesn't really work, and eventually she gets bored.


Yeah, and that hurts everybody, it hurts society as a whole when women are perceiving that marriage is boring while men are telling each other "it's not worth it bro, only a fool would get married... she's gonna divorce you and take all your stuff anyway".

Both sides have this "we'll live happily ever after" fantasy in their heads and both forget that no matter how well you click with someone, marriage is work, no matter how you spin it.
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Twin3Turbo
07/23/19 6:28:48 PM
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r25 posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
lydiaquayle posted...
r25 posted...
Pretty much women are fighting for the alpha males while the betas have to find ways around competitors.

And then those women finally wise up, and end up breaking up with alpha males in favor of the nice betas.

Problem is a lot of those women dont really smarten up for a very long time. When they finally do, its not uncommon for them to come with some combination of emotional, physical, and child baggage

And to add, I wonder how many of them are going to feel as though they settled. I mean, if you chase A for all those years, finally realized that A wasnt going to give you what you want, so then you finally go for B. At the end of the day you really wanted A, thats why you put so much effort into chasing him to begin with. I wouldnt be surprised at all if they ultimately feel like they settled.

No, the real problem (and it's really only a problem for beta) is that alpha can be all that and more.

I'm....not sure how what you said relates at all to anything I said.
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KYOJIROKAGENUMA
07/23/19 6:57:23 PM
#166:


We are talking about sex right?

Not relationships?

Isn't that what the article mentioned?
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Twin3Turbo
07/23/19 7:07:56 PM
#167:


KYOJIROKAGENUMA posted...
We are talking about sex right?

Not relationships?

Isn't that what the article mentioned?

The conversations have morphed into various topics
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lydiaquayle
07/23/19 7:13:31 PM
#168:


Twin3Turbo posted...
I wouldnt be surprised at all if they ultimately feel like they settled.

So what? Remaining with toxic alphas is also a form of settling. What matters is that they're in a committed relationship.
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Twin3Turbo
07/23/19 7:31:08 PM
#169:


lydiaquayle posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
I wouldnt be surprised at all if they ultimately feel like they settled.

So what? Remaining with toxic alphas is also a form of settling. What matters is that they're in a committed relationship.

It matters because that nagging feeling may be hard to get over. They may feel like they arent living the life they want to live with the person that they want actually want to live it with. They may just be going through the motions just so that they can answer yes to the question of are you married, but may always be wondering if they could have actually gotten what they really wanted if they would have been patient or played it differently. Its just human nature to wonder. Youre right, they probably should be happy with being in a committed relationship, but thats things dont always play out that way. If they cant get past the feeling of I could do better then its going to cause the relationship to suffer
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lydiaquayle
07/23/19 10:41:10 PM
#170:


Twin3Turbo posted...
but thats things dont always play out that way. If they cant get past the feeling of I could do better then its going to cause the relationship to suffer

Which is probably why those that break up with alphas, and then go on to find another husband are typically satisfied with their choices.
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ssjevot
07/23/19 11:05:23 PM
#171:


lydiaquayle posted...
Twin3Turbo posted...
but thats things dont always play out that way. If they cant get past the feeling of I could do better then its going to cause the relationship to suffer

Which is probably why those that break up with alphas, and then go on to find another husband are typically satisfied with their choices.


People who get divorced are more likely to divorce again than those who have never been divorced. Also I don't know why you assume all "alpha" males are toxic. You can be a guy women want to sleep with and not be a jerk.
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lydiaquayle
07/23/19 11:12:58 PM
#172:


ssjevot posted...
You can be a guy women want to sleep with and not be a jerk.

I am referring only to those alpha jerks that women are unsatisfied with.
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rexcrk
07/23/19 11:26:45 PM
#173:


Lol. At 31 Ive really just become... apathetic towards it I guess.

I mean Im curious about what its like, sure, but Im also in this weird place where like, I dont want to even bother with a relationship, but at the same time it would be nice, and Id like to have sex with someone I genuinely connect with rather than just a meaningless hookup.

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ssjevot
07/24/19 12:33:33 AM
#174:


lydiaquayle posted...
ssjevot posted...
You can be a guy women want to sleep with and not be a jerk.

I am referring only to those alpha jerks that women are unsatisfied with.


Usually the men women aren't satisfied with are called "beta". These aren't really scientific terms, but I'm not sure what you mean by them here. Usually the "alpha" male or "chad" is the one all the women want to sleep with, who gives them the feels. The "beta" male is someone you settle for due to financial security, etc., but he isn't satisfying sexually.
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lydiaquayle
07/24/19 1:43:26 AM
#175:


ssjevot posted...
Usually the men women aren't satisfied with are called "beta". These aren't really scientific terms, but I'm not sure what you mean by them here. Usually the "alpha" male or "chad" is the one all the women want to sleep with, who gives them the feels.

Again, I am referring to the subset of alphas that women NO LONGER want to sleep with, and plan to break up with.
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averagejoel
07/24/19 9:24:10 AM
#176:


Aloner posted...
Well that connotation is not intended. It's nature, tradition, etc. forming these dynamics.

then maybe don't frame it that way in the first place. "men not having sex" is perfectly effective
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joe40001
07/24/19 9:27:51 AM
#177:


Once a week sex? How can so many people do that without there being tons of accident babies?

I know there are some but 40% of people aren't ready to have a baby
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The Admiral
07/24/19 10:59:31 AM
#178:


joe40001 posted...
Once a week sex? How can so many people do that without there being tons of accident babies?


Birth control and pulling out.
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Zodd3224
07/24/19 11:01:18 AM
#179:


Pulling out does not work. I had both of my children through the pull out method.
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The Admiral
07/24/19 11:03:44 AM
#180:


Zodd3224 posted...
Pulling out does not work. I had both of my children through the pull out method.


The pull out method is 96% effective if done properly, which is actually higher than the effectiveness of birth control pills. A lot of people stay in too long and don't use the method properly.
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Zodd3224
07/24/19 11:21:43 AM
#181:


I dont care for cream pies. I like to go on face or in mouth usually. So I usually pull out pretty early. How early do you have to pull out?

Not that it matters now I got snipped.
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Summarizer
07/24/19 11:32:59 AM
#182:


Man under 30 having no sex reporting in.
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teepan95
07/24/19 4:22:12 PM
#183:


Zodd3224 posted...
I dont care for cream pies. I like to go on face or in mouth usually. So I usually pull out pretty early. How early do you have to pull out?

Not that it matters now I got snipped.

Pre can sometimes have live sperm. Especially if you go for multiple rounds
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Questionmarktarius
07/24/19 4:26:10 PM
#184:


Zodd3224 posted...
Not that it matters now I got snipped.

Even that's not perfect.
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teepan95
07/24/19 4:27:53 PM
#185:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Not that it matters now I got snipped.

Even that's not perfect.

Getting snipped doesn't reduce the chances of her getting pregnant

It just changes the colour of the baby!

... I'll see myself out
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s0nicfan
07/24/19 4:28:57 PM
#186:


teepan95 posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Not that it matters now I got snipped.

Even that's not perfect.

Getting snipped doesn't reduce the chances of her getting pregnant

It just changes the colour of the baby!

... I'll see myself out


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Zodd3224
07/24/19 4:42:23 PM
#187:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Not that it matters now I got snipped.

Even that's not perfect.


It's as close to perfect as birth control gets
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Zodd3224
07/24/19 4:43:33 PM
#188:


teepan95 posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
I dont care for cream pies. I like to go on face or in mouth usually. So I usually pull out pretty early. How early do you have to pull out?

Not that it matters now I got snipped.

Pre can sometimes have live sperm. Especially if you go for multiple rounds


Which is why I'm asking when does he pull out. Pre cum happens pretty early. So is he pulling out after a few minutes? This is what I mean about pulling out not being effective.
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joe40001
07/25/19 1:44:31 PM
#189:


The Admiral posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Pulling out does not work. I had both of my children through the pull out method.


The pull out method is 96% effective if done properly, which is actually higher than the effectiveness of birth control pills. A lot of people stay in too long and don't use the method properly.


What does "96% effective" mean? Because if it means what I think it means (1/25 times you are effectively having unprotected sex) and a BABY is at risk of being created those are some pretty bad odds.

I still don't get how people who are otherwise smart and also know that they are not ready to have a baby are ok with those kinds of odds.
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07/25/19 1:46:52 PM
#190:


low testosterone is an epidemic
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Tupacrulez
07/25/19 5:11:31 PM
#191:


joe40001 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Pulling out does not work. I had both of my children through the pull out method.


The pull out method is 96% effective if done properly, which is actually higher than the effectiveness of birth control pills. A lot of people stay in too long and don't use the method properly.


What does "96% effective" mean? Because if it means what I think it means (1/25 times you are effectively having unprotected sex) and a BABY is at risk of being created those are some pretty bad odds.

I still don't get how people who are otherwise smart and also know that they are not ready to have a baby are ok with those kinds of odds.


On the year, of 100 women use exclusively that method, 4 of them will get pregnant.

In a year. 96% is pretty fucking effective.
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0xDEFECADE
07/25/19 5:16:55 PM
#192:


Hairistotle posted...
Stop caring about sex man who cares

I care about sex man though
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joe40001
07/26/19 2:59:08 PM
#193:


Tupacrulez posted...
joe40001 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Pulling out does not work. I had both of my children through the pull out method.


The pull out method is 96% effective if done properly, which is actually higher than the effectiveness of birth control pills. A lot of people stay in too long and don't use the method properly.


What does "96% effective" mean? Because if it means what I think it means (1/25 times you are effectively having unprotected sex) and a BABY is at risk of being created those are some pretty bad odds.

I still don't get how people who are otherwise smart and also know that they are not ready to have a baby are ok with those kinds of odds.


On the year, of 100 women use exclusively that method, 4 of them will get pregnant.

In a year. 96% is pretty fucking effective.


"On the year"? How often are the people having sex? That's got to effect things. And 1/25 isn't that low if you consider the consequence being a baby jfc
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The Admiral
07/26/19 3:03:31 PM
#194:


joe40001 posted...
What does "96% effective" mean? Because if it means what I think it means (1/25 times you are effectively having unprotected sex) and a BABY is at risk of being created those are some pretty bad odds.

I still don't get how people who are otherwise smart and also know that they are not ready to have a baby are ok with those kinds of odds.


It means if you use the pull-out method properly, you only have a 4% chance of pregnancy occurring.

Keep in mind that this stacks with birth control pills, which are 91% effective. So, together, they're 99.64% effective, meaning only a 1 in 278 chance of pregnancy.
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Tupacrulez
07/26/19 3:58:22 PM
#195:


joe40001 posted...
Tupacrulez posted...
joe40001 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Pulling out does not work. I had both of my children through the pull out method.


The pull out method is 96% effective if done properly, which is actually higher than the effectiveness of birth control pills. A lot of people stay in too long and don't use the method properly.


What does "96% effective" mean? Because if it means what I think it means (1/25 times you are effectively having unprotected sex) and a BABY is at risk of being created those are some pretty bad odds.

I still don't get how people who are otherwise smart and also know that they are not ready to have a baby are ok with those kinds of odds.


On the year, of 100 women use exclusively that method, 4 of them will get pregnant.

In a year. 96% is pretty fucking effective.


"On the year"? How often are the people having sex? That's got to effect things. And 1/25 isn't that low if you consider the consequence being a baby jfc


Annually you obtuse nitwit.

For a year, if you use whatever method, and are sexually active, you have X chance of making a baby.

The chances of baby making are hugely variable time to time, so the chance is averaged over a sexually active year.

Why the fuck is this so hard to understand?
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Shablagoo
07/26/19 4:59:42 PM
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And all 28% of them are on CE.

No but seriously, I agree. Our culture really shames sex (ironically, since many believe it glorifies it) and makes it difficult to find for a lot of people. Im fortunate to be sexually active right now.
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joe40001
07/27/19 3:14:38 PM
#198:


Tupacrulez posted...
joe40001 posted...
Tupacrulez posted...
joe40001 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Zodd3224 posted...
Pulling out does not work. I had both of my children through the pull out method.


The pull out method is 96% effective if done properly, which is actually higher than the effectiveness of birth control pills. A lot of people stay in too long and don't use the method properly.


What does "96% effective" mean? Because if it means what I think it means (1/25 times you are effectively having unprotected sex) and a BABY is at risk of being created those are some pretty bad odds.

I still don't get how people who are otherwise smart and also know that they are not ready to have a baby are ok with those kinds of odds.


On the year, of 100 women use exclusively that method, 4 of them will get pregnant.

In a year. 96% is pretty fucking effective.


"On the year"? How often are the people having sex? That's got to effect things. And 1/25 isn't that low if you consider the consequence being a baby jfc


Annually you obtuse nitwit.

For a year, if you use whatever method, and are sexually active, you have X chance of making a baby.

The chances of baby making are hugely variable time to time, so the chance is averaged over a sexually active year.

Why the fuck is this so hard to understand?


Because if you bang once a year or 1000 times a year both are considered "sexually active" but there's no way they have the same odds.

And "on the year" is weird phrasing, no need busting out the n-word on me.
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Jerry_Hellyeah
07/27/19 3:26:14 PM
#199:


Lol looks like everyone came straight to GameFAQs when the Incel Subreddit was shut down.

Alphas and Betas in 2019....jesus christ.
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myzz7
07/27/19 3:27:25 PM
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as philosopher-king enlightened NEET virgin i approve of this news.
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joe40001
07/27/19 4:18:47 PM
#201:


Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
Lol looks like everyone came straight to GameFAQs when the Incel Subreddit was shut down.

Alphas and Betas in 2019....jesus christ.


Why was that subreddit shut down? It doesn't seem like there is anything inate with the premise of the sub that should be against the rules.
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