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My favorite female character in 2 was Mikan
My favorite male character in 2 was Gundham

So you can imagine how morally devastated I was at this point. At least the latter went out a badass.
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I mean my favorite was Ibuki, so I was like "I hope whoever killed her dies horribly"
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Ibuki is precious and didn't deserve to die, so I don't blame you at all. If it was just Hiyoko who died I would have been like "Fuck yeah, get that revenge Mikan!" It was just a bunch of unfortunate shit that occurred, which is why that chapter is so sad.
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_SecretSquirrel posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

_SecretSquirrel posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

I got a thing to confess. The other day I was looking for images of Gundham or something like that, and the "google questions" on the top of the page said "who killed nekomaru?" (I know, I know, you guys told me not to Google, but I have low self control. Based on my usual self I think I'm doing a fabulous job at avoiding spoilers here)

I'm surprised it took you that long to figure out Gundham, when Google spilled the beans way earlier.

I saw the question but didn't click to read the answer.

Yeah, but the question probably came up because you were Googling the answer.

Oh shit, just noticed that now.

Thought it was just Google's algorithm being weird.

Mikan doesn't deserve revenge because Hiyoko was right about everything she ever said about her.

What a garbage character Mikan is

Ibuki is the ultimate 100% style 0% substance character in the series.

That doesn't land her very high in my list.

Mikan on the other hand seems to have way more substance, but I don't know what it is because she took Junko's path of being mindblowlingly confusing.

Like this cast has a higher floor than DR1, the mediocre characters are considerably better than DR1's mediocre characters.

But there are still a lot of mediocre characters.

Mikans just kinda annoying and repetitive and even her taking revenge is actually the fault of the OOC Disease

Say what you will about 2-4s motive but it didnt not make Gundham Gundham, if you know what I mean
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Yes but there is something something Mikan's past something lover and if that stuff was explained I feel like I might receive 2-3 better.

But it wasn't, and after the deal with Junko, I suspect the series may decide to just not do it, so meh.

Mikan didn't even take revenge on Hiyoko. Hiyoko just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Mikan would've killed any of the cast had they been in the club at that time like Hiyoko was.

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Mewtwo59 posted...

Mikan didn't even take revenge on Hiyoko. Hiyoko just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Mikan would've killed any of the cast had they been in the club at that time like Hiyoko was.

That's the one thing I actually enjoy about 2-3. They wrote a bully relationship that concludes with the victim murdering her aggressor, but the twist is that it happened on complete accident which ends up being the source of most of the key evidence in the case.
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I mean 2-3 murder plot is pretty good.

It's just the motive that is wonky as fuck.

ZeldaTPLink posted...

I mean 2-3 murder plot is pretty good.

It's just the motive that is wonky as fuck.

Eh.
2-3's murder plot requires Mikan to somehow have time to film the fake video, wait for Hajime to see Ibuki's body, unwrap Hiyoko, and run all the way to the motel to meet up with Fuyuhiko, which, considering Fuyuhiko only went to Electric Avenue and then the motel, is not much time. It suspends disbelief too much and requires Mikan to be a world class runner
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Kazuichi made a mini-Nekomaru. You know, for all vanilla he is, this game makes very good use of his ultimate skill, unlike half the series' cast.

I've been comparing a few characters to Hina, but the truth s that this game's Hina is Kazuichi. He is the simple, vanilla, likable guy who exists to balance the cast out and survives very long unlike other wackier characters who get offed by their related cases. He isn't quite as good as Hina, because instead of a great character arc he gets this forced Sonia crush, but most of the time, he's just likable. Plus he has the best faces in the game.

I've been thinking, Monokuma was comparing Nagito to Makoto, right? Is the mastermind someone from DR1's cast? They are all too developed, though, so I wonder (ok, Hiro and Toko not so much, but it doesn't fit them to go evil now).

This cast getting together to fight Monokuma is very nice to see. They have good chemistry, and a lower ratio of sheer idiocy (the worst character, Akane, is still a mile better than Hiro/Toko). And this is Chapter 5 so it is when their bravado starts being meaningful. Time to eat shit, bear.

The final island is an actual villain lair. With a giant Monokuma head and a Tower of Evil. I wish Gundham was here to witness this.

I want to click all the random objects before the main one but Chiaki detects my RPG gamer tendencies
and tells me to go for the main one first. Damn, can't out-game the ultimate gamer.

A Monokuma factory... explode it.

Oh so it's just plushies. Still worth exploding imo, they might be cursed.

Everyone in Sonia's country knows how to operate tanks. Normally I'd be chalking it up to normal Sonia weirdness, but that theory of mine makes me think of a connection to Mukuro.

Info on future foundation. So this island is meant to be their HQ. Or was, until Monokuma took it over. Maybe that bomb marks their arrival, and Monomi was supposed to take care of the kids until then?

"It's more impossible than a notebook that kills people by writing on it". Well, this series is more unrealistic than Death Note, I'll give you that.

Minimaru saying harsh truths is a great addition to this game, I must say.

Nagito knows everything but refuses to explain what's going on. He has a point though, it's chapter 5 and half those kids are still pretending everything is a lie. ALso he announces he wants to kill the traitor himself. Dude gives no fucks.

Hajime implying the traitor might not remember it. My "Hajime is the traitor" theory just got stronger.

I finally rememeber I'm supposed to buy skills so I max out my "sharpness" for rebuttal showdown. Hope I don't suffer again like last time.

"EAT WELL. SHIT WELL." Well said, Minimaru.

Sonia has a plan. I'm worried.

We are going to Hope's Peak Academy. This is gonna be fun.

Likable aint a word Id use to describe Kazuichi. They make good use of his talent, but he basically became Teruteru 2.0

Characters who actually make use of their talent in DR1:
Makoto, Leon, Chihiro, Celeste (very poorly but...), Hifumi, Taka, Sakura, Byakuya, Kyoko
Characters who actually make use of their talent in DR2:
Nagito, Kazuichi, Chiaki, Byakuya, Teruteru, Peko kinda, Mikan, Mahiru, Ibuki, Nekomaru, Gundham kinda

Now whether their use of it is meaningful/important is... different for everyone
(Note that for Sonia, Fuyuhiko, Byakuya, and Taka I'm using their talent as "leading the group in some way")
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swordz9 posted...

Likable aint a word Id use to describe Kazuichi. They make good use of his talent, but he basically became Teruteru 2.0

Kazuichi's behavior (mostly the paranoia) is more explained by his FTEs than Teruteru though, and obviously he has a lot more time to not be AS one-note as Teruteru.
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I always thought it was weird that a girl with a body like Akanes was made to be the ultimate gymnast. Why not just switch the ultimate skills of Akane & Hiyoko? It would make more sense, given how tiny Hiyoko is.
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I feel like Sonia escaped from Advance Wars with the way her country is described
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Nah Teruteru is much worse, it's like he has an uncontrollable erection and is constantly trying to find a way to touch any girl that appears in front of him. It's off-putting.

Kazuichi is a teenage nerd. He has an unrequired crush he can't let go of, and is too awkward/inexperienced to either ask her out, or let it go. I used to be like him, although I didn't humilliate myself loudly like he does.

I'm not saying Kazuichi doesn't deserve it, but I liked Sonia as a character more when she was less about bashing him over and over, and more about talking about her country or TV shows or whatever. This whole romance plot is exhausting, I guess.

Time to explore Hope's Peak. And see what excuse the developers came up with not to render the whole place, too.

Never mind, we still can't enter. Hmm... maybe we could learn the password if we checked Byakuya's cottage?

Free time. Chiaki first. I give her a rare videogame glove. Literal pink hearts float from her. Now I have to pick where she wants to go to, and her reasons are random as fuck. After two wrong guesses, I find out she wants to skateboard over zombies at a supermarket. Okay.

Chiaki has a mysterious, lonely past wth a father. I'm starting to think she's literally Kyoko on disguise or something.

Baby Gangsta next. I vist him in his cottage, and it's pretty cool. He has large glasses for drinking and a Japanese looking poster. I then find out he likes cookies with milk, and that royally pisses him off. Poor guy.

Someone is at the door. It's totally Nagito, isn't it? ... Yep.

He saw through our plan. Crap.

But he's going to the hotel anyway. We are now walking into a trap from Nagito, rather than the other way around.

A bomb explodes. May or may not have killed Kazuichi. Nagito reveals Maniac Laugh ver. 2.

He set a bunch of bombs everywhere. Dude really wants to be the final villain, though I wonder if that will last. It's still chapter 5, after all.

He almost reveals the name of someone, but gets interrupted. Godanmit.

Oh he's going to stop the bombs if the traitor reveals themselves. Nice move, Nagito. Wonder if DR1 would have been as long if someone like you were there. But there is a problem with your plan: you are fighting Ultimate Despair. They would love to die and take everyone with them just to have Despair triumphing over Hope. Unless it's Monomi's faction you are trying to bring out, and I think that's probably not a good idea.

I think the traitor forgot they are the traitor. It's probably Hajime, isn't he? With that plot about the reserve students being responsible for the Tragedy or whatever.

Kazuichi lived, but the real tragedy was that Chiaki's arcade machine didn't. RIP.

I try to enter Monomi's house and she gives me an used carrot to go away. You know, Monomi, it would be much easier to trust you if you didn't insist on hiding everything you know. Whatever your mission was is beyond repair, just spill the beans. Then again, I guess you are a robot so maybe you can't do that.

Nagito learned the school password first, then erased it, placed a huge bomb inside the school and gave a hint to the others they can't use, because he's a dick like that.

The party split. Any endgame unison they had is over, and this feels like the game's darkest hour.

Akane is trying to solve the situation the only way she knows: beating the crap out of Nagito. Unfortunately she is dealing with this series equivallent of the Joker. The man has no fear or pain, he's just crazy.

"Thanks to you, Akane, I got to see my dead dog again". lol

Nagito believes he's gonna win because he's lucky. He has a point. Luck is an OP stat.

Monomi's house is finally open. Time to consume some delicious plot.

Okay, so whoever is receiving camera footage is outside. It might mean the one behind Monokuma isn't one of the students. This could simplify the plot.

Sonia is at the military base instead of where she is supposed to be. My theories are becoming closer to coming true.

Yes, leave Sonia behind while she examines suspicious objects. Alone.

Nagito is sending video messages to force the traitor to come out or die. This is Saw now.

Chiaki just tested her notebook on the bomb as a way to prove she's not the traitor. She's hardcore like that.

The bomb was not a bomb. Top 10 Anime Betrayals. And Sonia somehow figured it out by checking the military base.

A burning house. Nagito is inside it, isn't he? Is he going to die?

Yep. He's dead. Sorry Nagito, but one does not become the antagonist of the penultimate chapter unpunished. And you were a very cool char. But you overplayed your hand.

Wasn't exactly expecting him to die that soon, but I had always felt he was not the main villain.

Btw, Sonia is so obviously the main suspect I'm starting to feel it's not her.

Time for one of my favorite VG tracks of all-time. And probably my favorite chapter of any visual novel ever.
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Welcome to the Wild Ride 2.0!
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ZeldaTPLink posted...

A burning house. Nagito is inside it, isn't he? Is he going to die?

Yep. He's dead.

His death reveal just might be my favorite in the entire series.
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2-4 and 2-5 the two best cases of the series back-to-back.
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Yes, be prepared because the case you are about to experience is one hell of a wild ass ride.
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Hype for 2-4.
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The Popo posted...

I always thought it was weird that a girl with a body like Akanes was made to be the ultimate gymnast. Why not just switch the ultimate skills of Akane & Hiyoko? It would make more sense, given how tiny Hiyoko is.

To be fair, Hiyoko's tinyness is addressed in chapter 6. However, Akane isn't really a gymnast so much as an athletic acrobat type. I suspect that whatever they meant for her, the closest word in English they could find was gymnast. Or it just sounds better to have someone be the ultimate at a sport since nobody else in the game is explicitly. (Ultimate swordsman and ultimate team manager being kinda close, I guess.)
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Akane's talent is still gymnast in Japanese (ok, gymnastics club member, but still). Her FTE's mention her just not really caring for gymnastics that much despite being good at it. I'm guessing they didn't make her a martial artist of some sort because of Peko, whose JP talent is Kendo Practicioner
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And Ibuki's was light club member IIRC. And the kanji in her name are each taken from K-On!'s main characters.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

2-4 and 2-5 the two best cases of the series back-to-back.

Raka_Putra posted...

Hype for 2-4.

I just finished 2-4?

Oops, 2-5! It's a doozy.
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2-5 was definitely something.
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Don't know when I'll have time to play again, but before we there there I wanna speculate a little.

Ok, who the fuck killed Nagito?

Sonia is so obvious it hurts. It's obvious because she conveniently left right before the fire happened. Which means it's the first thing that will be discussed. Which greatly reduces her chances, because the first guy who is called out is usually proven innocent. This is in spite of the fact she has those connections to the DR1 mock murders, and that her character is in that sweet spot between "very developed" and "pathetic joke character" that may allow her to be the mastermind.

Fuyu is immortal. He has a full arc. Someone sacrificed themselves to save him. We know his backstory better than most of those kids. It can't be him.

Kazuichi and Akane are s dumbasses that revealing they were masterminds all along could feel forced. Akane more than Kazuichi, because she has a character arc of sorts, related to Nekomaru's death.

This leaves us Chiaki. RIght now I'm leaning on her, despite thinking she is this game's closest match to Kyoko. She had a huge number of moments that showed her as caring, heroic and empathetic. She is anything but the Ultimate Despair. But a very manipulative character could do it. It would be the twist of the century, but it can be done, and it would feel cooler than "Kazuichi was smart all along". It would make my prediction from the start of this playthrough epic, too. But damn, I hope I'm wrong, I really like Chiaki.

This is assuming the killer is the Ultimate Despair, like in 1-5. It could be a kill for mundane rteasons. Fuck, Nagito gave a lot of reasons for those kids to want to kill him. If that's the case, Kazuichi becomes a viable option. Akane not so much because she was just stopped from killing Nagito.

Also on the subject of Sonia having just left, I suspect the window for the kill was much bigger than that. SInce the 6 kids split up and went to different islands, actually. This could make for a difficult case.

Finally, this is all assuming it was one of the 6. There are other possible twists. Someone from DR1. A new character linked to one of the organizations. Hajime has a split personality. One of the dead kids, who is actually still alive. All of those options are very wacky though, and it being one of the 6 is way more possible.

And honestly? I don't want it to be someone from DR1. Those character got very good characters arcs that shouln't be destroyed, and the ones who didn't (Hiro/Toko) have the same issue as Kazuichi and Akane, they are too dumb to be suddenly revealed as the big bad.

Anyway, I'm lost, and I wish I didn't have classes now so I could just binge this game until it ends.

From the moment Nagito dies, the game is set on a blazing path of high-octane absurdity. Gonna be honest with you, I would highly recommend waiting to continue until you really can binge the rest of the game, because it's non-stop insanity from here to the credits.
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Since you seem to take as long with trials and stuff as I did I wouldnt recommend the above because that binge is gonna be like 10 hours at least >_>

I don't mean one sitting. There's like 8 hours of game left even going at full speed. I mean pick a weekend or something and just go for it.
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Man, that's one death scene. He's tied by arms and legs, gagged, stabbed on the hand, impaled on the chest with a lance, and has multiple scratches on his legs. You can't say karma didn't get to Nagito after all the crap he did in this game.

So the school trip has an actual schedule to end, when that timer hits zero. Sounds like Monokuma's goal this time is more complicated than just "broadcast despair".

The new investigation song is a very long (feels like it's over 7 minutes), cool song full of guitar solos, and a remix of the old one. I think I prefer the old one, it's more simple and sweet, but this one also adds to the climax atmosphere very well.

The Monokuma file leaves zero doubt it's Sonia. Heh. I didn't start playing visual novels yesterday, developers.

Or it could be an automatic kill, as point out by Akane. Hmm.

I like how Hajime always remembers the good and bad things about everyone who dies, even the killers. He's a nice dude.

Nagito had his left hand closed when he died, from what the blood stains suggest. This feels like something they will make a Hangman's Gambit from.

The answer is that he was holding the cord of the spear, it seems. Strange.

Even the Monokuma plushie didn't make it. Savage.

Sonia swearing is amazing. Never change, Sonia. "God danmit all to hell!".

Is there a single computer in this series that is not locked? That's like the fifth one in a row.

The killer got the spear from the castle, possibly while Hajime was searching for the bombs in this island. I don't remember whether the spear was already gone when we checked the castle, but Hajime the character might.

The game is heavily implying the Nagito mystery will end in 2-5 and then there will be some crazier shit afterwards. Unlike 1-5 and 1-6, which were the same case.

Nagito had a gas mask. So the fire was his doing?

We find Monomi's diary, but the interesting thing is that she wasn't the one who wrote on it. The actual content is pretty uneventful, though.

If that bottle of poison was taken to the warehouse, the fire might have caused it to vaporize, potentially killing everyone in there. Whoever killed Nagito may have saved us all.

Byakuya is missing from the file. WHich is suspicious but kind of makes sense. Then Monokuma shows up, says it doesn't matter at all, and refers to him as "that Byakuya".

Wait, WHAT? Is there more than one Byakuya?

I hope there is and he's still alive. It would be cool if Byakuya kept appearing on every game in the seires. Who else can say "such ignorance" when needed?

Oh, Monokuma confirms it in the next sentence. Ultimate Imposter, huh. Damn, if this is true, "Byakuya" just dropped at least 3 spots in my character rank, barring new reveals. But the reveal Byakuya is (probably) still alive makes up for that. He was too great of a character to die.

I feel like this changes everything, but I have no idea what. The dude did die in the beginning, but also I don't think they are going to repeat the Mukuro plot. So the traitor is someone else.

So the traitor did NOT attend Hope's Peak. Interesting. Well, it's confirmed not to be Fuyu, or Hajime, since they have appeared in school flashbacks. But everyone who was in the 2-2 game is dead, so the other 4 characters are fair game. If the FF are the good guys, which the game is sort of implying, then 90% chance it's Chiaki.

Monomi wants to fight. She might actually pull something off.

Time for the "final" class trial. As if I actually believe that. Though if the game wants to come up with a cool way to make a 2-6 climax without a trial, it might be fun.

I considered waiting till weekend, but, like the other guy said, I'm so slow I might fail to finish the game in the weekend. So I decided to move it a bit now.

It's unlikely I'll be able to do any gameplay until Friday, though. See you then!

CLasses ended earlier today so imma so half the trial.

Gundham's X is very stylized. Typical of Gundham. I miss him.

Monomi is getting beaten up, but she won't quit. Is she actually going to do something, though?

Kazuichi is shipping me with Chiaki. I'm okay with that.

Setting up Monokuma panels on a domino to drop a lighter. We're getting more elaborate.

I just accused Nagito of setting the fire but I don't know why I did that except lack of options.

OH DANMIT NAGITO HELPED THE KILLER. It finally happened.

Or it was a regular suicide. It's looking a lot like that, considering Nagito was holding the spear rope. But there's gonna be another twist, isn't it?

Fuyu wants to go back to normal while Chiaki wants to go down the rabbit role. Both are great functions, actually. Fuyu will make a good leader. But this is a crazy world, so sometimes things will be crazy.

Is it just me or this case's debates are somewhat harder than usual? I'm spending a few minutes in each part to figure it out. Maybe it's because it's a very elaborated kill.

Sonia: "Akane, you should not give it to them for free, make sure they pay you first". LOL. And she's actually okay with it too.

Yeah using a plushie to prop a knife, burning a rope to pretend you are tied... it's well-devised. Yet this is all being revealed in the first half so... what gives?

Chiaki lacks Kyoko's ridiculous intelligence but damn if that will make her give up. This is a party of normals who together amount to an Ultimate Detective on their own.

What is up with this case and dick jokes?

So Nagito set up a nearly impossible suicide just to make us lose the game? Geez.

For the first time ever, Akane is saving everyone. With her instinct. Or maybe she almost did it, but backed down. Meh.

I'm checking the truth bullets and I've used every single thing related to the murder scene. The only ones left are related to the bomb, or to poison. So it's likely everything about Nagito's corpse scene is one big red herring.

Eh... what's up with Hangman's Gambit suddenly having 3x the number of letters? This is fake difficulty.

Hajime has a point. Nagito spent the whole game trying to get those kids to unlock their potential. A case set up by him has to be the craziest one ever, and this one is hard but could be harder.

Halfway point.

And now the fun begins.
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So, I'm going to watch Joker tonight and I didn't want to wait until Saturday to finish 2-5, so I stayed up a bit later last night to do it. Enjoy.

One of the cool things about this case is Fuyu's face of sheer horror whenever he learns the new low Nagito went to.

"Operation Elimination Method!" It's like the cast of DR1 gave Chiaki a checklist of things she can use to solve trials.

One of the options for what was left at the crime scene after the poisoning is "the meat on the bone". I should have clicked just to see the reaction, lol.

Did the container get mixed with the fire grenades? That's how the murder happened?

Was it Nagito who put it there? Or the "accomplice"? What happens if someone kills Nagito without knowing, because he set it up? Feels like we need an Ultimate Lawyer for this kind of case.

Wait, how do we even discover who threw the grenade when they all did?

Chiaki figured it out. This is the most horrifying murder in the series so far. It's the perfect crime. Nagito made one random person kill him and made it impossible to prove who it was. They will have to guess.

The comic book section was done with everyone as "mysterious shaday character" while only Nagito had his appearance shown. And in the end, all six appear as guilty. Amazing. ALso amazing that this is one of the most complicated set ups yet, and it was just one guy doing 99% of the work, the victim. Even 1-4, which was a also suicide, had a bunch of people interacting.

This might be the best case in the series so far. I don't even think AA has something similar (though it has other cases that are good for different reasons).

I guess this is a setup to reveal the traitor? They could come out now and sacrifice themselves.

So Nagito counted on the traitor being the one to grab the poison out of sheer luck. Incredible.

Godanmit if Chiaki gets executed I'm going to be pissed. Worst is that this scenario happened last game, and Kyoko made it. I'm not sure if the devs will be as merciful this time.

Is she a robot or something? Since she's apparently programmed not to reveal it.

The saddest Rebuttal Showdown ever.

Monomi's incredibly bad voice acting is almost ruining this climax.

... did Monomi just kill Monokuma? Ah, of course not. Monokuma's only weakness if this game's rules, he is omnipotent otherwise.

But Monomi has spares too.

I'm pretty sure there is not enough mass in the Earth to even make 10^60 Monokumas (I think that figure is closer to the mass of the universe).

Fucking tetris pieces always beating better characters than them.

Best Girl Chiaki is dead, and I want blood.

Hajime.EXE has crashed. We are Doki Doki Literature Club now.

Dead characters keep popping up. Is this a simulation or something?

11037. Again.

Nagito mentioned Hajime as a protagonist. I guess this is really a game inside a game. The 4th wall is gone and will never be repaired.

A trial ground. Looks more like virtual reality machines to me.

The bomb explodes. Stage cleared? See you in the next episode.

Ok here's what I'm thinking.

All of DR2 was a simulation.

FF wanted to make a new world. It's possible the real world is beyond saving so they wanted to retreat to a virtual world.

But World Ender hijacked their simulation somehow to prove all hope leads to despair.

That trope of "if you die in here, you die in the real world" may or may not be in play here. I'm going to go with yes, or it would cheapen those deaths. The dead people all showed up alive after the trial, so I wonder what that was. Some leftover data?

Chiaki is some sort of program. That's why she kept saying she only existed to be the traitor. She and Monomi don't exist in the real world. Maybe they could backup her?

This explains all the references to magic and to Monokuma getting more powerful. It's easy to make magic when your world isn't real.

No idea what happens next. It seems Monokuma won, but so what? Restart the simulation and try to win the trial again? There doesn't even seem to be a mastermind among that group at this point. I don't know what 2-6 would be about if not a trial though, maybe just dialogue. But that would be anti-climatic. They could also continue the plot in the real world, but that might mean a lot of new characters and locations to render.

nagito is fucking incredible. such a great plan.

2-4 and 2-5 are so great, but it sucks that they lose the three best characters of the game between em.
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Double execution really, since if you noticed, the tanks etc picked off all of Monomi's remaining copies
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Chiaki ;-;

poor best girl

Ah god I can finally gush about how much I love 2-5. Nagito is so amazing and his flawless "murder" mixed with how he employed his luck is legit genius and unlike anything else I've ever seen even in the broader mystery genre. Such a treat to experience.
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2-5 is fantastic

As much as I hated to see Nagito die at the start of it, it was incredible that he was still fucking with everyone from beyond the grave
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