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Suprak the Stud 09/24/19 1:03:54 PM #202:	This was from way back in May. Im curious for their analysis with the recent Ukraine stuff. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/would-democrats-really-face-a-backlash-if-they-impeached-trump/ --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:927878554] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>This was from way back in May. Im curious for their analysis with the recent Ukraine stuff. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/would-democrats-really-face-a-backlash-if-they-impeached-trump/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 09/24/19 1:06:31 PM #203:	LordoftheMorons posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Can you please tell me what "high crime" or "misdemeanor" he admitted to doing? He's admitted to pushing for the Ukrainian president to open an investigation into Biden. He's subsequently admitted that he ordered payments to Ukraine halted a few days before that. He's jeopardized the security interests of the United States by refusing to disburse funds allocated by Congress to a US ally in armed conflict with Russia while simultaneously abusing the powers of his office to attempt to manufacture dirt on his biggest political opponent. Def of "high crimes and misdemeanors" per Hamilton: "...those offences which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust. They are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated political, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself." Nobody can reasonably argue that Trump is not abusing public trust here. The President of the United States shared information with the President of Ukraine regarding crimes that had been committed in Ukraine, and encouraged enforcement of the law. What is the issue here? --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:927878672] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Can you please tell me what "high crime" or "misdemeanor" he admitted to doing?</quote> He's admitted to pushing for the Ukrainian president to open an investigation into Biden. He's subsequently admitted that he ordered payments to Ukraine halted a few days before that. He's jeopardized the security interests of the United States by refusing to disburse funds allocated by Congress to a US ally in armed conflict with Russia while simultaneously abusing the powers of his office to attempt to manufacture dirt on his biggest political opponent. Def of "high crimes and misdemeanors" per Hamilton: "...those offences which proceed from the misconduct of public men, or, in other words, from the abuse or violation of some public trust. They are of a nature which may with peculiar propriety be denominated political, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself." Nobody can reasonably argue that Trump is not abusing public trust here.</quote> The President of the United States shared information with the President of Ukraine regarding crimes that had been committed in Ukraine, and encouraged enforcement of the law. What is the issue here?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/24/19 1:06:47 PM #204:	He's admitted to pushing for the Ukrainian president to open an investigation into Biden. That's not a crime He's subsequently admitted that he ordered payments to Ukraine halted a few days before that. Also not a crime. The only way any of this is remotely illegal is if Trump told Ukraine "I am not releasing these funds to you unless you investigate Biden for me." And there's no indication this happened because there has been no investigation yet. It's also worth noting that Biden himself may literally have had the Obama Admin withhold money to Ukraine in exchange for them firing the prosecutor that was investigating his son. This is presumably what Trump wanted Ukraine to investigate, which--again--is completely legal and arguably the right thing to do. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:927878682] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote><quote>He's admitted to pushing for the Ukrainian president to open an investigation into Biden. </quote>That's not a crime <quote>He's subsequently admitted that he ordered payments to Ukraine halted a few days before that.</quote>Also not a crime. The only way any of this is remotely illegal is if Trump told Ukraine "I am not releasing these funds to you unless you investigate Biden for me." And there's no indication this happened because there has been no investigation yet. It's also worth noting that Biden himself may literally have had the Obama Admin withhold money to Ukraine in exchange for them firing the prosecutor that was investigating his son. This is presumably what Trump wanted Ukraine to investigate, which--again--is completely legal and arguably the right thing to do. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NFUN 09/24/19 1:08:05 PM #205:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Al Gore won after the Clinton Impeachment gore ran away from clinton. he'd probably have won if he continued to associate with him --- Video Game Music Contest 14 winner: Terraria Calamity - Scourge of the Universe <cite>NFUN posted [p:927878744] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote>Al Gore won after the Clinton Impeachment</quote> gore ran away from clinton. he'd probably have won if he continued to associate with him</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 09/24/19 1:11:12 PM #206:	I feel like the allegations against Trump are getting increasingly hysterical. This Ukraine thing is a huge non-issue. If Obama did the exact same thing he'd be getting praised for fighting corruption. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:927878870] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>I feel like the allegations against Trump are getting increasingly hysterical. This Ukraine thing is a huge non-issue. If Obama did the exact same thing he'd be getting praised for fighting corruption.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 1:11:23 PM #207:	Nelson_Mandela posted... The only way any of this is remotely illegal is if Trump told Ukraine "I am not releasing these funds to you unless you investigate Biden for me." And there's no indication this happened because there has been no investigation yet. Isnt that basically whats being alleged? Thats why there should be an investigation --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927878880] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>The only way any of this is remotely illegal is if Trump told Ukraine "I am not releasing these funds to you unless you investigate Biden for me." And there's no indication this happened because there has been no investigation yet. </quote> Isnt that basically whats being alleged? Thats why there should be an investigation</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/24/19 1:12:53 PM #208:	What I fear most is that this upends Biden's nomination and we are only left with one good person on the ballot for president in 2020. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:927878940] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>What I fear most is that this upends Biden's nomination and we are only left with one good person on the ballot for president in 2020. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/24/19 1:13:53 PM #209:	Jakyl25 posted... Isnt that basically whats being alleged? Thats why there should be an investigation Sure. But to impeach based on complete speculation is, like red sox noted, hysterical. There is no hard evidence of a crime right now. An investigation would be appropriate. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:927878977] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>Isnt that basically whats being alleged? Thats why there should be an investigation</quote>Sure. But to impeach based on complete speculation is, like red sox noted, hysterical. There is no hard evidence of a crime right now. An investigation would be appropriate. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 09/24/19 1:14:28 PM #210:	The Biden allegations have been thoroughly debunked. Biden was pursuing the official position of the US government, which is that the prosecutor in question was himself corrupt and was standing in the way of efforts to reform Ukraine. Trump was requesting that Zelensky make shit up about Biden. But even if there was something on Biden, it would still be impeachably bad for Trump to make this request because he would be abusing his presidential powers to advance his own reelection efforts. Nelson_Mandela posted... He's admitted to pushing for the Ukrainian president to open an investigation into Biden. That's not a crime He's subsequently admitted that he ordered payments to Ukraine halted a few days before that. Also not a crime. "High crimes and misdemeanors" don't refer only to actions that are specifically crimes by US law. There are a lot of things that elected officials can do (and are impeachable) that normal US citizens can't (for example, refuse to release funds to Ukraine until they make up dirt on Joe Biden). See the Hamilton quote above. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:927879004] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>The Biden allegations have been thoroughly debunked. Biden was pursuing the official position of the US government, which is that the prosecutor in question was himself corrupt and was standing in the way of efforts to reform Ukraine. Trump was requesting that Zelensky make shit up about Biden. But even if there was something on Biden, it would still be impeachably bad for Trump to make this request because he would be abusing his presidential powers to advance his own reelection efforts. Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote> He's admitted to pushing for the Ukrainian president to open an investigation into Biden. That's not a crime He's subsequently admitted that he ordered payments to Ukraine halted a few days before that. Also not a crime.</quote> "High crimes and misdemeanors" don't refer only to actions that are specifically crimes by US law. There are a lot of things that elected officials can do (and are impeachable) that normal US citizens can't (for example, refuse to release funds to Ukraine until they make up dirt on Joe Biden). See the Hamilton quote above.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 1:15:23 PM #211:	Nelson_Mandela posted... LordoftheMorons posted... Trump has straight up admitted impeachable conduct on Ukraine. They said, who knows if impeachment here will mean just a vote or a start to an investigation. Im guessing the most likely scenario is a pretty short investigation where they say that any White House stonewalling on stuff like turning over the whistleblower complaint will be itself impeachable under the assumption that the evidence hes hiding confirms what we expect. Can you please tell me what "high crime" or "misdemeanor" he admitted to doing? Firing Comey because of the Russia investigation --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927879037] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>Trump has straight up admitted impeachable conduct on Ukraine. They said, who knows if impeachment here will mean just a vote or a start to an investigation. Im guessing the most likely scenario is a pretty short investigation where they say that any White House stonewalling on stuff like turning over the whistleblower complaint will be itself impeachable under the assumption that the evidence hes hiding confirms what we expect.</quote>Can you please tell me what "high crime" or "misdemeanor" he admitted to doing? </quote> Firing Comey because of the Russia investigation</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/24/19 1:16:05 PM #212:	Impeachment begins a formal investigation, its not just "we vote and it's over." Also: The notion that only criminal conduct can constitute sufficient grounds for impeachment does not comport with either the views of the founders or with historical practice.[1] Alexander Hamilton, in Federalist 65, described impeachable offenses as arising from the misconduct of public men, or in other words from the abuse or violation of some public trust.[3] Such offenses were political, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself.[3] According to this reasoning, impeachable conduct could include behavior that violates an officials duty to the country, even if such conduct is not necessarily a prosecutable offense. Indeed, in the past both houses of Congress have given the phrase high Crimes and Misdemeanors a broad reading, finding that impeachable offenses need not be limited to criminal conduct.[4][1] SephG saying the founding fathers are wrong. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:927879061] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Impeachment begins a formal investigation, its not just "we vote and it's over." Also: The notion that only criminal conduct can constitute sufficient grounds for impeachment does not comport with either the views of the founders or with historical practice.[1] Alexander Hamilton, in Federalist 65, described impeachable offenses as arising from the misconduct of public men, or in other words from the abuse or violation of some public trust.[3] Such offenses were political, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself.[3] According to this reasoning, impeachable conduct could include behavior that violates an officials duty to the country, even if such conduct is not necessarily a prosecutable offense. Indeed, in the past both houses of Congress have given the phrase high Crimes and Misdemeanors a broad reading, finding that impeachable offenses need not be limited to criminal conduct.[4][1] SephG saying the founding fathers are wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/24/19 1:16:08 PM #213:	And even then, withholding aid in exchange for an investigation is borderline illegal at best. Trump saying "I am not giving this country $250 million until I know that they aren't corrupt" would actually be a reasonable position to take. The fact that the person being investigated is his primary rival's son is what makes all of this seem worse than it is. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:927879063] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>And even then, withholding aid in exchange for an investigation is borderline illegal at best. Trump saying "I am not giving this country $250 million until I know that they aren't corrupt" would actually be a reasonable position to take. The fact that the person being investigated is his primary rival's son is what makes all of this seem worse than it is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 1:16:52 PM #214:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Jakyl25 posted... Isnt that basically whats being alleged? Thats why there should be an investigation Sure. But to impeach based on complete speculation is, like red sox noted, hysterical. There is no hard evidence of a crime right now. An investigation would be appropriate. My understanding is that there would be a formal inquiry first --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927879092] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>Isnt that basically whats being alleged? Thats why there should be an investigation</quote>Sure. But to impeach based on complete speculation is, like red sox noted, hysterical. There is no hard evidence of a crime right now. An investigation would be appropriate. </quote> My understanding is that there would be a formal inquiry first</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/24/19 1:17:09 PM #215:	LordoftheMorons posted... Trump was requesting that Zelensky make s* up about Biden. What recess of your ass are you pulling this from? Large intestine or small? --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:927879104] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>Trump was requesting that Zelensky make s* up about Biden.</quote>What recess of your ass are you pulling this from? Large intestine or small? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 09/24/19 1:17:09 PM #216:	Nelson_Mandela posted... What I fear most is that this upends Biden's nomination and we are only left with one good person on the ballot for president in 2020. It won't. This will only make Biden more popular with Democrats. At this point, I feel like Democrats will never learn. They will still be screaming about Trump golf outings even as Republicans ban abortion across the whole country, ban the teaching of evolution in schools, and cut taxes on income over $5 million to zero. The Democrats won't ever look in the mirror, and they won't ever apologize. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:927879105] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>What I fear most is that this upends Biden's nomination and we are only left with one good person on the ballot for president in 2020. </quote> It won't. This will only make Biden more popular with Democrats. At this point, I feel like Democrats will never learn. They will still be screaming about Trump golf outings even as Republicans ban abortion across the whole country, ban the teaching of evolution in schools, and cut taxes on income over $5 million to zero. The Democrats won't ever look in the mirror, and they won't ever apologize.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/24/19 1:18:33 PM #217:	TheRock1525 posted... Impeachment begins a formal investigation, its not just "we vote and it's over." Also: The notion that only criminal conduct can constitute sufficient grounds for impeachment does not comport with either the views of the founders or with historical practice.[1] Alexander Hamilton, in Federalist 65, described impeachable offenses as arising from the misconduct of public men, or in other words from the abuse or violation of some public trust.[3] Such offenses were political, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself.[3] According to this reasoning, impeachable conduct could include behavior that violates an officials duty to the country, even if such conduct is not necessarily a prosecutable offense. Indeed, in the past both houses of Congress have given the phrase high Crimes and Misdemeanors a broad reading, finding that impeachable offenses need not be limited to criminal conduct.[4][1] SephG saying the founding fathers are wrong. I agree that you don't have to break a formal US law to be impeached. I was just using the verbiage colloquially to state that what Trump already admitted to doing is not by any means an impeachable offense. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:927879171] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>Impeachment begins a formal investigation, its not just "we vote and it's over." Also: The notion that only criminal conduct can constitute sufficient grounds for impeachment does not comport with either the views of the founders or with historical practice.[1] Alexander Hamilton, in Federalist 65, described impeachable offenses as arising from the misconduct of public men, or in other words from the abuse or violation of some public trust.[3] Such offenses were political, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself.[3] According to this reasoning, impeachable conduct could include behavior that violates an officials duty to the country, even if such conduct is not necessarily a prosecutable offense. Indeed, in the past both houses of Congress have given the phrase high Crimes and Misdemeanors a broad reading, finding that impeachable offenses need not be limited to criminal conduct.[4][1] SephG saying the founding fathers are wrong.</quote>I agree that you don't have to break a formal US law to be impeached. I was just using the verbiage colloquially to state that what Trump already admitted to doing is not by any means an impeachable offense. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 1:18:38 PM #218:	red sox 777 posted... they won't ever apologize. Isnt that what conservatives say youre supposed to do? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927879180] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>they won't ever apologize.</quote> Isnt that what conservatives say youre supposed to do?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 09/24/19 1:19:20 PM #219:	Jakyl25 posted... red sox 777 posted... they won't ever apologize. Isnt that what conservatives say youre supposed to do? Yes, the Democrats should apologize. Sincerely apologize. And do penance for their sins. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:927879205] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>they won't ever apologize.</quote> Isnt that what conservatives say youre supposed to do?</quote> Yes, the Democrats should apologize. Sincerely apologize. And do penance for their sins.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 1:21:27 PM #220:	Also just to be clear, I dont give a shit about what Trump did or did not do here. Even in the worst case scenario I dont really care, in a vacuum. I only care about it as a potential avenue to remove him from office. If this is what it takes to get Congress to move, then all systems go --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927879281] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Also just to be clear, I dont give a shit about what Trump did or did not do here. Even in the worst case scenario I dont really care, in a vacuum. I only care about it as a potential avenue to remove him from office. If this is what it takes to get Congress to move, then all systems go</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/24/19 1:21:32 PM #221:	Nelson_Mandela posted... I agree that you don't have to break a formal US law to be impeached. I was just using the verbiage colloquially to state that what Trump already admitted to doing is not by any means an impeachable offense. SephG making less sense than usual. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:927879284] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>I agree that you don't have to break a formal US law to be impeached. I was just using the verbiage colloquially to state that what Trump already admitted to doing is not by any means an impeachable offense.</quote> SephG making less sense than usual.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/24/19 1:22:56 PM #222:	Jakyl25 posted... Also just to be clear, I dont give a shit about what Trump did or did not do here. Even in the worst case scenario I dont really care, in a vacuum. I only care about it as a potential avenue to remove him from office. If this is what it takes to get Congress to move, then all systems go You understand that there is no circumstance that he will be removed by a Republican Senate right? Unless he dies, Trump will be president until at least 2021. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:927879332] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>Also just to be clear, I dont give a shit about what Trump did or did not do here. Even in the worst case scenario I dont really care, in a vacuum. I only care about it as a potential avenue to remove him from office. If this is what it takes to get Congress to move, then all systems go</quote>You understand that there is no circumstance that he will be removed by a Republican Senate right? Unless he dies, Trump will be president until at least 2021. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 09/24/19 1:23:06 PM #223:	LordoftheMorons posted... The Biden allegations have been thoroughly debunked. Biden was pursuing the official position of the US government, which is that the prosecutor in question was himself corrupt and was standing in the way of efforts to reform Ukraine. Trump was requesting that Zelensky make shit up about Biden. But even if there was something on Biden, it would still be impeachably bad for Trump to make this request because he would be abusing his presidential powers to advance his own reelection efforts. Nelson_Mandela posted... He's admitted to pushing for the Ukrainian president to open an investigation into Biden. That's not a crime He's subsequently admitted that he ordered payments to Ukraine halted a few days before that. Also not a crime. "High crimes and misdemeanors" don't refer only to actions that are specifically crimes by US law. There are a lot of things that elected officials can do (and are impeachable) that normal US citizens can't (for example, refuse to release funds to Ukraine until they make up dirt on Joe Biden). See the Hamilton quote above. How is it that Biden can hide behind the reason that he was pursuing official US policy but Trump can't? Trump sets the policy now, just as Biden and Obama did before. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:927879341] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted...</cite> <quote>The Biden allegations have been thoroughly debunked. Biden was pursuing the official position of the US government, which is that the prosecutor in question was himself corrupt and was standing in the way of efforts to reform Ukraine. Trump was requesting that Zelensky make shit up about Biden. But even if there was something on Biden, it would still be impeachably bad for Trump to make this request because he would be abusing his presidential powers to advance his own reelection efforts. Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote> He's admitted to pushing for the Ukrainian president to open an investigation into Biden. That's not a crime He's subsequently admitted that he ordered payments to Ukraine halted a few days before that. Also not a crime.</quote> "High crimes and misdemeanors" don't refer only to actions that are specifically crimes by US law. There are a lot of things that elected officials can do (and are impeachable) that normal US citizens can't (for example, refuse to release funds to Ukraine until they make up dirt on Joe Biden). See the Hamilton quote above.</quote> How is it that Biden can hide behind the reason that he was pursuing official US policy but Trump can't? Trump sets the policy now, just as Biden and Obama did before.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/24/19 1:23:28 PM #224:	Jakyl25 posted... Also just to be clear, I dont give a shit about what Trump did or did not do here. Even in the worst case scenario I dont really care, in a vacuum. I only care about it as a potential avenue to remove him from office. If this is what it takes to get Congress to move, then all systems go This is a really dumb take. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:927879355] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Also just to be clear, I dont give a shit about what Trump did or did not do here. Even in the worst case scenario I dont really care, in a vacuum. I only care about it as a potential avenue to remove him from office. If this is what it takes to get Congress to move, then all systems go</quote> This is a really dumb take.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 1:23:39 PM #225:	Also I am dying at the idea of Trump merely withholding funds from a country until hes sure theyre not corrupt. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927879360] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Also I am dying at the idea of Trump merely withholding funds from a country until hes sure theyre not corrupt.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/24/19 1:24:20 PM #226:	TheRock1525 posted... SephG making less sense than usual. I'm sorry, I forgot there are some people here without Ivy League educations and are incapable of critical thinking or demonstrate even the smallest levels of perspicacity. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:927879390] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>SephG making less sense than usual.</quote>I'm sorry, I forgot there are some people here without Ivy League educations and are incapable of critical thinking or demonstrate even the smallest levels of perspicacity. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 09/24/19 1:24:36 PM #227:	Jakyl25 posted... Also I am dying at the idea of Trump merely withholding funds from a country until hes sure theyre not corrupt. Trump understands how corruption works, how corrupt officials think. There's no one better to root out corruption in other countries. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:927879399] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Also I am dying at the idea of Trump merely withholding funds from a country until hes sure theyre not corrupt.</quote> Trump understands how corruption works, how corrupt officials think. There's no one better to root out corruption in other countries.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 1:24:49 PM #228:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Jakyl25 posted... Also just to be clear, I dont give a shit about what Trump did or did not do here. Even in the worst case scenario I dont really care, in a vacuum. I only care about it as a potential avenue to remove him from office. If this is what it takes to get Congress to move, then all systems go You understand that there is no circumstance that he will be removed by a Republican Senate right? Unless he dies, Trump will be president until at least 2021. Getting his crimes out in the open and making Senate Republicans formally vote to approve of a President committing those crimes is a victory --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927879407] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>Also just to be clear, I dont give a shit about what Trump did or did not do here. Even in the worst case scenario I dont really care, in a vacuum. I only care about it as a potential avenue to remove him from office. If this is what it takes to get Congress to move, then all systems go</quote>You understand that there is no circumstance that he will be removed by a Republican Senate right? Unless he dies, Trump will be president until at least 2021. </quote> Getting his crimes out in the open and making Senate Republicans formally vote to approve of a President committing those crimes is a victory</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grimlyn 09/24/19 1:24:55 PM #229:	GuessMyUserName posted... https://twitter.com/aseitzwald/status/1176507038832254977 Tulsi manages to be worse than Pelosi drop the fuck out update: Tulsi qualifies for next debate with Monmouth poll https://twitter.com/aseitzwald/status/1176527724439048192 should be easy as hell to dunk on this time --- GuessMyUserName's account's very own account <cite>Grimlyn posted [p:927879413] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>GuessMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/aseitzwald/status/1176507038832254977 Tulsi manages to be worse than Pelosi drop the fuck out</quote> update: Tulsi qualifies for next debate with Monmouth poll https://twitter.com/aseitzwald/status/1176527724439048192 should be easy as hell to dunk on this time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/24/19 1:25:39 PM #230:	Jakyl25 posted... Getting his crimes out in the open and making Senate Republicans formally vote to approve of a President committing those crimes is a victory A victory for the GOP, I agree --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:927879442] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>Getting his crimes out in the open and making Senate Republicans formally vote to approve of a President committing those crimes is a victory</quote>A victory for the GOP, I agree </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 1:26:13 PM #231:	TheRock1525 posted... Jakyl25 posted... Also just to be clear, I dont give a shit about what Trump did or did not do here. Even in the worst case scenario I dont really care, in a vacuum. I only care about it as a potential avenue to remove him from office. If this is what it takes to get Congress to move, then all systems go This is a really dumb take. Whys that? Honestly asking Also in a related note, did Ukraine ever actually GET the funds anyway? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927879461] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Also just to be clear, I dont give a shit about what Trump did or did not do here. Even in the worst case scenario I dont really care, in a vacuum. I only care about it as a potential avenue to remove him from office. If this is what it takes to get Congress to move, then all systems go</quote> This is a really dumb take.</quote> Whys that? Honestly asking Also in a related note, did Ukraine ever actually GET the funds anyway?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 09/24/19 1:27:19 PM #232:	Yeah I normally don't like to say "I told you so" but when Trump wins reelection and Republicans take the House, don't complain about the electorate. Blame yourselves for refusing to listen. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:927879511] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I normally don't like to say "I told you so" but when Trump wins reelection and Republicans take the House, don't complain about the electorate. Blame yourselves for refusing to listen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 1:27:31 PM #233:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Jakyl25 posted... Getting his crimes out in the open and making Senate Republicans formally vote to approve of a President committing those crimes is a victory A victory for the GOP, I agree Hey I need my future political violence to have direct things to point to as to why --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927879521] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>Getting his crimes out in the open and making Senate Republicans formally vote to approve of a President committing those crimes is a victory</quote>A victory for the GOP, I agree </quote> Hey I need my future political violence to have direct things to point to as to why</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/24/19 1:27:32 PM #234:	Also if Trump was trying to withhold aid in order for Ukraine to investigate Biden, then...why would he release the aid after Ukraine didn't actually investigate Biden? --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:927879523] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Also if Trump was trying to withhold aid in order for Ukraine to investigate Biden, then...why would he release the aid after Ukraine didn't actually investigate Biden? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/24/19 1:27:54 PM #235:	Jakyl25 posted... Also in a related note, did Ukraine ever actually GET the funds anyway? YES. Which is why this whole thing must be a sham. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:927879539] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>Also in a related note, did Ukraine ever actually GET the funds anyway?</quote>YES. Which is why this whole thing must be a sham. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 09/24/19 1:28:18 PM #236:	TheRock1525 posted... Jakyl25 posted... Also just to be clear, I dont give a shit about what Trump did or did not do here. Even in the worst case scenario I dont really care, in a vacuum. I only care about it as a potential avenue to remove him from office. If this is what it takes to get Congress to move, then all systems go This is a really dumb take. I mean, I get it Trump has already proven he's unfit for office many times over. We don't need to pretend he has a clean slate every time some new terrible thing happens. I do care about his corrupt practices, but I'm already well past the point of needing to be convinced. We're now at the "what are you gonna do about it"/"get out the vote" stage --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:927879553] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Also just to be clear, I dont give a shit about what Trump did or did not do here. Even in the worst case scenario I dont really care, in a vacuum. I only care about it as a potential avenue to remove him from office. If this is what it takes to get Congress to move, then all systems go</quote> This is a really dumb take.</quote> I mean, I get it Trump has already proven he's unfit for office many times over. We don't need to pretend he has a clean slate every time some new terrible thing happens. I do care about his corrupt practices, but I'm already well past the point of needing to be convinced. We're now at the "what are you gonna do about it"/"get out the vote" stage</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/24/19 1:28:52 PM #237:	Nelson_Mandela posted... TheRock1525 posted... SephG making less sense than usual. I'm sorry, I forgot there are some people here without Ivy League educations and are incapable of critical thinking or demonstrate even the smallest levels of perspicacity. I'd believe this if you hadn't been disingenuous for every single discussion in these topics. Go back to jacking off to Kavanaugh's Senate hearings and sending Ulti fruit baskets, and hoping Trump gets assassinated during the primaries. You know, really heady Ivy League ideas. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:927879582] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>SephG making less sense than usual.</quote>I'm sorry, I forgot there are some people here without Ivy League educations and are incapable of critical thinking or demonstrate even the smallest levels of perspicacity. </quote> I'd believe this if you hadn't been disingenuous for every single discussion in these topics. Go back to jacking off to Kavanaugh's Senate hearings and sending Ulti fruit baskets, and hoping Trump gets assassinated during the primaries. You know, really heady Ivy League ideas.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grimlyn 09/24/19 1:28:56 PM #238:	banananor posted... TheRock1525 posted... Jakyl25 posted... Also just to be clear, I dont give a shit about what Trump did or did not do here. Even in the worst case scenario I dont really care, in a vacuum. I only care about it as a potential avenue to remove him from office. If this is what it takes to get Congress to move, then all systems go This is a really dumb take. I mean, I get it Trump has already proven he's unfit for office many times over. We don't need to pretend he has a clean slate every time some new terrible thing happens. I do care about his corrupt practices, but I'm already well past the point of needing to be convinced. We're now at the "what are you gonna do about it"/"get out the vote" stage yep concurred --- GuessMyUserName's account's very own account <cite>Grimlyn posted [p:927879585] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>banananor posted...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Also just to be clear, I dont give a shit about what Trump did or did not do here. Even in the worst case scenario I dont really care, in a vacuum. I only care about it as a potential avenue to remove him from office. If this is what it takes to get Congress to move, then all systems go</quote> This is a really dumb take.</quote> I mean, I get it Trump has already proven he's unfit for office many times over. We don't need to pretend he has a clean slate every time some new terrible thing happens. I do care about his corrupt practices, but I'm already well past the point of needing to be convinced. We're now at the "what are you gonna do about it"/"get out the vote" stage</quote> yep concurred</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 09/24/19 1:29:17 PM #239:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Also if Trump was trying to withhold aid in order for Ukraine to investigate Biden, then...why would he release the aid after Ukraine didn't actually investigate Biden? Because everyone found out. It's so ridiculously transparent --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:927879600] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Also if Trump was trying to withhold aid in order for Ukraine to investigate Biden, then...why would he release the aid after Ukraine didn't actually investigate Biden? </quote> Because everyone found out. It's so ridiculously transparent</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 1:29:31 PM #240:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Also if Trump was trying to withhold aid in order for Ukraine to investigate Biden, then...why would he release the aid after Ukraine didn't actually investigate Biden? Probably someone said Sir you cant do that --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927879608] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Also if Trump was trying to withhold aid in order for Ukraine to investigate Biden, then...why would he release the aid after Ukraine didn't actually investigate Biden? </quote> Probably someone said Sir you cant do that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/24/19 1:30:25 PM #241:	banananor posted... Because the report was released and everyone knew. It's so ridiculously transparent What report? The whistleblower report? The money was released before that. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:927879639] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>banananor posted... </cite> <quote>Because the report was released and everyone knew. It's so ridiculously transparent</quote>What report? The whistleblower report? The money was released before that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 1:30:58 PM #242:	Also the main reason I dont really care about the act itself is I DO NOT MIND if Biden gets taken down politically somehow. I would WELCOME it. Biden is only acceptable as a binary choice against Trump. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927879661] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Also the main reason I dont really care about the act itself is I DO NOT MIND if Biden gets taken down politically somehow. I would WELCOME it. Biden is only acceptable as a binary choice against Trump.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/24/19 1:31:42 PM #243:	Jakyl25 posted... Probably someone said Sir you cant do that So someone stopped Trump from committing an (arguable) impeachable offense. Sounds like this is a wash then! --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:927879690] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>Probably someone said Sir you cant do that</quote>So someone stopped Trump from committing an (arguable) impeachable offense. Sounds like this is a wash then! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/24/19 1:32:09 PM #244:	Nelson_Mandela posted... banananor posted... Because the report was released and everyone knew. It's so ridiculously transparent What report? The whistleblower report? The money was released before that. I'd have to find it again, but supposedly either Nunes or Gaetz gave Trump a heads up about this possible whistleblower, and it was supposedly what Bolton resigned over. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:927879716] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>banananor posted... </cite> <quote>Because the report was released and everyone knew. It's so ridiculously transparent</quote>What report? The whistleblower report? The money was released before that. </quote> I'd have to find it again, but supposedly either Nunes or Gaetz gave Trump a heads up about this possible whistleblower, and it was supposedly what Bolton resigned over.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NFUN 09/24/19 1:32:20 PM #245:	Jakyl25 posted... Also the main reason I dont really care about the act itself is I DO NOT MIND if Biden gets taken down politically somehow. I would WELCOME it. Biden is only acceptable as a binary choice against Trump. what an exceptionally terrible take --- Video Game Music Contest 14 winner: Terraria Calamity - Scourge of the Universe <cite>NFUN posted [p:927879726] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Also the main reason I dont really care about the act itself is I DO NOT MIND if Biden gets taken down politically somehow. I would WELCOME it. Biden is only acceptable as a binary choice against Trump.</quote> what an exceptionally terrible take</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 09/24/19 1:32:37 PM #246:	TheRock1525 posted... I'd have to find it again, but supposedly either Nunes or Gaetz gave Trump a heads up about this possible whistleblower, and it was supposedly what Bolton resigned over. Bolton resigned over the Taliban meeting on 9/11 --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:927879738] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>I'd have to find it again, but supposedly either Nunes or Gaetz gave Trump a heads up about this possible whistleblower, and it was supposedly what Bolton resigned over.</quote>Bolton resigned over the Taliban meeting on 9/11 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 1:32:45 PM #247:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Jakyl25 posted... Probably someone said Sir you cant do that So someone stopped Trump from committing an (arguable) impeachable offense. Sounds like this is a wash then! But now we get into Trump potentially trying to cover it up, which to go back to 2017, ends up being worse than the crime itself --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927879742] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>Probably someone said Sir you cant do that</quote>So someone stopped Trump from committing an (arguable) impeachable offense. Sounds like this is a wash then! </quote> But now we get into Trump potentially trying to cover it up, which to go back to 2017, ends up being worse than the crime itself</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 1:34:34 PM #248:	Nelson_Mandela posted... TheRock1525 posted... I'd have to find it again, but supposedly either Nunes or Gaetz gave Trump a heads up about this possible whistleblower, and it was supposedly what Bolton resigned over. Bolton resigned over the Taliban meeting on 9/11 Why did Trump of all people ever hire him? Was he goaded into it by the party elite like he was with Pence? I think at this point wed all prefer VP Chris Christie --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927879821] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted... </cite> <quote>I'd have to find it again, but supposedly either Nunes or Gaetz gave Trump a heads up about this possible whistleblower, and it was supposedly what Bolton resigned over.</quote>Bolton resigned over the Taliban meeting on 9/11 </quote> Why did Trump of all people ever hire him? Was he goaded into it by the party elite like he was with Pence? I think at this point wed all prefer VP Chris Christie</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 09/24/19 1:34:44 PM #249:	Grimlyn posted... banananor posted... TheRock1525 posted... Jakyl25 posted... Also just to be clear, I dont give a shit about what Trump did or did not do here. Even in the worst case scenario I dont really care, in a vacuum. I only care about it as a potential avenue to remove him from office. If this is what it takes to get Congress to move, then all systems go This is a really dumb take. I mean, I get it Trump has already proven he's unfit for office many times over. We don't need to pretend he has a clean slate every time some new terrible thing happens. I do care about his corrupt practices, but I'm already well past the point of needing to be convinced. We're now at the "what are you gonna do about it"/"get out the vote" stage yep concurred There's a radical difference between "I don't care if this is the straw that finally broke the camel's back" and "I don't care what takes him down." If its the former, I get it and largely agree. If it's the latter, I mean, a literal bullet would take him down too. I'd hope we wouldn't be okay with that. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:927879826] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Grimlyn posted...</cite> <quote>banananor posted...</cite> <quote>TheRock1525 posted...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Also just to be clear, I dont give a shit about what Trump did or did not do here. Even in the worst case scenario I dont really care, in a vacuum. I only care about it as a potential avenue to remove him from office. If this is what it takes to get Congress to move, then all systems go</quote> This is a really dumb take.</quote> I mean, I get it Trump has already proven he's unfit for office many times over. We don't need to pretend he has a clean slate every time some new terrible thing happens. I do care about his corrupt practices, but I'm already well past the point of needing to be convinced. We're now at the "what are you gonna do about it"/"get out the vote" stage</quote> yep concurred</quote> There's a radical difference between "I don't care if this is the straw that finally broke the camel's back" and "I don't care what takes him down." If its the former, I get it and largely agree. If it's the latter, I mean, a literal bullet would take him down too. I'd hope we wouldn't be okay with that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 09/24/19 1:35:33 PM #250:	VP Gingrich though...maybe thats a push --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:927879867] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>VP Gingrich though...maybe thats a push</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
skullbone 09/24/19 1:36:33 PM #251:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Also if Trump was trying to withhold aid in order for Ukraine to investigate Biden, then...why would he release the aid after Ukraine didn't actually investigate Biden? If he were holding funds to "make sure they aren't corrupt" why would he release the money if they didn't do anything? Doesn't seem like a good deal for Trump to make. Trump: "Investigate your corruption or no money" Ukraine: "No" Trump: "Okay nvm" --- skull <cite>skullbone posted [p:927879912] in Politics C... [t:78026276]...</cite> <quote>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Also if Trump was trying to withhold aid in order for Ukraine to investigate Biden, then...why would he release the aid after Ukraine didn't actually investigate Biden? </quote> If he were holding funds to "make sure they aren't corrupt" why would he release the money if they didn't do anything? Doesn't seem like a good deal for Trump to make. Trump: "Investigate your corruption or no money" Ukraine: "No" Trump: "Okay nvm"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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