Board 8 > Jojo Mafia Topic 4: Diamond is Unbreakable

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(I expected someone to quote Thanos)
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fire_bolt posted...

Because you're Corrik? I don't mean that as a logical fallacy either. I assume it comes as naturally to you as breathing. You have a goal in mind and think it will be easier to achieve that goal by lying than by explaining yourself.

My turn. Why is Death scum? And I mean concrete logic, not "Cuz you should BELIEVE ME bud"

The answer as either alignment was to push death to reveal his alignment and his role.

As scum, I do it to a town player as my scummates likely get confused or can't theatre with me enough to complete the ruse.

As town, I would be doing it to someone of an alignment I do not know.

So, what you should have gathered, in my opinion, is that A. Me and death cannot be scum together. And B. I think by now you should know deaths alignment and role relatively definitively now.


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Corrik are you a lyncher who needs death to die?

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htaeD posted...

What? No.
I leaned to Lea as the one I trusted less.
And thats mostly because Lea's claim felt faker.
In hindsight, Reds claim was too delayed.

Lea's claim was worse. Fair enough. But you preferred a Corrik special over both, yes?

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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Corrik are you a lyncher who needs death to die?

Nah.

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Alternatively corrik actually is a cop and had a night 0 on death?

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Corrik7 posted...

A. Me and death cannot be scum together.

Definitely.

Corrik7 posted...

B. I think by now you should know deaths alignment and role relatively definitively now.

Not as clear. While pretty much guaranteed you are not scum buddies, there's still a world where you're both town and super cautious of each other for understandable reasons. Again, as much as I hate to say it you definitely seem more Town than Death rn. His voting yesterday is ultra suspect if nothing else. But there is absolutely nothing saying you're not both town except possibly 1 thing.

Are you actually going to fucking claim Tracker and that you tracked Death somewhere last night. And if so can you explain how that makes him scum? Cuz from my power calculations scum should not have had enough oomph left last night to send someone to Damion after role blocking the cop and failing to kill someone.
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Alternatively corrik actually is a cop and had a night 0 on death?

Nah. Lol.

If I wanted death lynched for my role though, I just woulda said I blocked him on the night kill or followed him to Han or abacus or some shit.

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Corrik7 posted...

Lea's claim was worse. Fair enough. But you preferred a Corrik special over both, yes?

Not to any serious extent. I just had a feeling in the back of my head that you were a better target.
But I had no delusions about my vote starting anything or any desire to stop the red lynch that much.
I simply voted to get your reaction in the heat of the moment.
(In the end it didnt tell me much, since you still joked around)
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fire_bolt posted...

Definitely.

Not as clear. While pretty much guaranteed you are not scum buddies, there's still a world where you're both town and super cautious of each other for understandable reasons. Again, as much as I hate to say it you definitely seem more Town than Death rn. His voting yesterday is ultra suspect if nothing else. But there is absolutely nothing saying you're not both town except possibly 1 thing.

Are you actually going to fucking claim Tracker and that you tracked Death somewhere last night. And if so can you explain how that makes him scum? Cuz from my power calculations scum should not have had enough oomph left last night to send someone to Damion after role blocking the cop and failing to kill someone.

Oh, scum definitely has more power than you think if that's all you think they have.

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htaeD posted...

Not to any serious extent. I just had a feeling in the back of my head that you were a better target.
But I had no delusions about my vote starting anything or any desire to stop the red lynch that much.
I simply voted to get your reaction in the heat of the moment.
(In the end it didnt tell me much, since you still joked around)

Are you ready to claim Town Vanilla yet?

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And its still so obvious you just made up something to fit with me happening to ask about Damion.
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Corrik7 posted...

Are you ready to claim Town Vanilla yet?

You think I would answer this in any way?
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Corrik7 posted...

Nah. Lol.

If I wanted death lynched for my role though, I just woulda said I blocked him on the night kill or followed him to Han or abacus or some shit.

Which is pretty much my thoughts on the subject as well. I assume you picked a lower power role that would possibly be glossed over, and it might have worked cleanly if Abacus had not already been outted/no night kill happened. Unfortunately the math just doesn't check out.

Corrik7 posted...

Oh, scum definitely has more power than you think if that's all you think they have.

Probably but I'm looking at it from a perspective of night-moving roles. We assume they have a role blocker since the cop got stopped. At least 1 vanilla scum. The Godfather/Ninja already dead. I would assume a strong man or assassin on top of that but Damion didn't die so that rules out you tracking Death as an assassin probably. There are possibly other things I'm overlooking, I don't claim to have perfect knowledge of the meta here, but those are the usual scum roles I think?
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So anyways, that logically everyone should have me town is that when Scare said about specialing me I posted.

Red jumped on me for "posting after I said I was going to sleep for work". Which probably seemed like a grand angle for him with scare talking about a special on me.

I feel I completely explained that with specifics that killed the "scummon" idea of scare's. But, I also think the rest of it is where red revealed I was town, upon his flip.

He just stopped after I explained it and also said he should know I had been gone because he timestamps.

Why did red stop? Well, he stopped because be needed others to jump onto me with scare to make me a viable counter lynch to jump onto. If that wasn't going to happen, he couldn't alienate me and cause me to vote him and/or refuse to vote Lea to save him.

He literally stopped all conversation with me at that point cuz he was hoping for me to save him at the end.

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htaeD posted...

You think I would answer this in any way?

I just revealed it. Scum already knows it anyways.

For someone who tried to get two people day 1 to explain their roles more, you sure are acting like yours is some sort of mystery after already revealed. Lol.

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Corrik7 posted...

I just revealed it. Scum already knows it anyways.

So does this mean you're no longer trying to lynch Death?
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fire_bolt posted...

So does this mean you're no longer trying to lynch Death?

I mean, he is arguing he isn't town now. Lol. Silly, death.

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Cool, back to actually solving the game then since we're all on the same page. Could I get your thoughts on my logic for a Red/Lea/MZero/??? scum team?
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I am not arguing the town-part, Corrik.
I am not even responding to your time-wasting nonsense.

Also what do you mean '2 people needed to explain their roles more?'
I only recall asking Lea.
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Dont let Corrik off the hook just because he stopped overacting, firebolt.
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htaeD posted...

Dont let Corrik off the hook just because he stopped overacting, firebolt.

I could be rude here but I'll choose not to be for sake of civility.

Corrik was never on my hook. For a surprising change of pace, he's done basically nothing to trigger my scum sense on him. Oh sure he's lied at least twice but that is literally par for the course. He's talking sense now and I'm happy to have civil discourse with him as long as that lasts. If I was you I'd take the pass and accept that he was baiting you, badly.
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fire_bolt posted...

Cool, back to actually solving the game then since we're all on the same page. Could I get your thoughts on my logic for a Red/Lea/MZero/??? scum team?

Mzero is a different time zone. Not being there at the end of the day is pretty expected tbqh.

If Sceptile is scum, Lea pretty likely is.

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htaeD posted...

I am not arguing the town-part, Corrik.
I am not even responding to your time-wasting nonsense.

Also what do you mean '2 people needed to explain their roles more?'
I only recall asking Lea.

You asked someone if they asked the host if they had powers. You also asked someone else about their role and someone called you out on it.

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Yes he's done this in the past. But it feels different. It feels lazier here. Its ALL he has done so far.
Its easily fakeable.
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Is death still scum Corrik?

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Yeah, I thought that was the case. I don't have anything against him besides missing EOD either, his play has been pretty clean, doing the things I expect good townies to do. I think I want Scept to claim today
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Corrik7 posted...

You asked someone if they asked the host if they had powers. You also asked someone else about their role and someone called you out on it.

Both those cases were Lea, Corrik.
And the second time, Lea herself came out with an action result.
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htaeD posted...

Both those cases were Lea, Corrik.
And the second time, Lea herself came out with an action result.

So two times you asked someone to reveal things. Yet, here you are outted Vanilla for the whole game to see and acting like you aren't cuz it's a secret and why would you ever reveal anything about your role, after having asked others to.

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htaeD posted...

Yes he's done this in the past. But it feels different. It feels lazier here. Its ALL he has done so far.
Its easily fakeable.

You get a Corrik train going and I'll hammer it myself. Until someone does he's a resource to be used and I'll continue to pump him for information. Even if he's lying he's telling us something we can work with.
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MZero posted...

Is death still scum Corrik?

He says he is.

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Death has called me lazy twice in a game now in which he has made no discernible reads all of day 1. Silly, Deathy!

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My role is overpowered for the game. So, let's make it funner and reveal it. So, you guys know as much as me.

Scum team is gonna have some strong power.

You are Noriaki Kakyoin, TOWN Possessor.
Stand: Hierophant Green

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Do we require a flavor paraphrase?

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Nothing you say will be believed anyway unfortunately, true or not. It'd be cool if true though
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Cool. Then I won't bother paraphrasing it. Saves me the time.


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Like this would literally not be the first time I've seen you make up a fake claim whole hog including flavor. Trying to remember which game it was where you did that because it was a flavor you were super familiar with...
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So, anyways, Fire. Like I said, scum has way more power than you think it does.

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Corrik7 posted...

So two times you asked someone to reveal things. Yet, here you are outted Vanilla for the whole game to see and acting like you aren't cuz it's a secret and why would you ever reveal anything about your role, after having asked others to.

See the difference here is. I am me and you are Corrik.
Even on the best of days I dont want to give you anything.
But whatever scum wants to believe, be my guest.

Though having been in the shower just now I had some time to think.
And I could sorta see you in some twisted way doing this to remove a mislynch from towns agenda.
Doesnt mean I like it or that I trust you completely.
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Wouldn't mind an explanation of how your power works tho, for those of us who are not super on top of roles. Aside from me we have two new players
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fire_bolt posted...

Like this would literally not be the first time I've seen you make up a fake claim whole hog including flavor. Trying to remember which game it was where you did that because it was a flavor you were super familiar with...

It's pretty unlikely from a me knowing the flavor standpoint, but that is why you should logically have had me town with red's interaction day 1 anyways.

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Corrik7 posted...

Death has called me lazy twice in a game now in which he has made no discernible reads all of day 1. Silly, Deathy!

I am this close to swearing at you directly, Corrik.
I had reads, mostly on Plum and mostly negated by now.
But I had them.
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Corrik7 posted...

He says he is.

Reading comprehension failure.
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If you think for even a second that I was lazy day1....
In fact why are you still baiting me if you already got what you want?
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fire_bolt posted...

Wouldn't mind an explanation of how your power works tho, for those of us who are not super on top of roles. Aside from me we have two new players

I pick a player. I choose who they target. Hence, I could make scum shoot scum.

Death targeted Damion night 1. Lol. Pretty sure of that!

Assuming death had an ability.

So, when Death mentions Damion early this day. I go hmmmm. That's interesting. I wonder if death was the nightkiller and he is actually kinda trying to fish why his shot failed by being curious at the first Damion interaction.

Was a long shot, but it did pretty much solidify death as town vanilla. Barring my hail mary hope that Damion comes in and claims bulletproof.

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htaeD posted...

I am this close to swearing at you directly, Corrik.

Indulge yourself. Mods are asleep lmao
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Possessor was a scumrole too, last time I checked.

It forced a targeted town to make a nightkill for scum.

I am assuming he isnt claiming that.
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There is about zero percent chance that Damion was saved night 1. Though scum shooting Han night 1 is kinda idiotic also knowing he had to be protected. So, scum team failed on epic proportions or my hail mary gets an end zone dance to go with it.

@DamionDL

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Corrik7 posted...

I pick a player. I choose who they target. Hence, I could make scum shoot scum.

Death targeted Damion night 1. Lol. Pretty sure of that!

Assuming death had an ability.

So, when Death mentions Damion early this day. I go hmmmm. That's interesting. I wonder if death was the nightkiller and he is actually kinda trying to fish why his shot failed by being curious at the first Damion interaction.

Was a long shot, but it did pretty much solidify death as town vanilla. Barring my hail mary hope that Damion comes in and claims bulletproof.

This is more interesting to me than you know but I'm going to sit on it for now. Let's just say I'm willing to entertain this might actually be true.
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htaeD posted...

Possessor was a scumrole too, last time I checked.

It forced a targeted town to make a nightkill for scum.

I am assuming he isnt claiming that.

Correct! It was! If only we didn't have confirmation from abacus that a roleblocker existed before you went down the scum role redirector route! Haha.

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