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Inviso
07/07/20 8:02:23 PM
#51:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4ciwjHVHYg

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Grimlyn
07/07/20 11:30:58 PM
#52:




bonus:
https://twitter.com/mmfa/status/1280688146448109568

one of the best hosts of cable news lmao

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07/08/20 3:41:22 AM
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xp1337
07/08/20 6:50:09 AM
#54:


Wow, the lore runs deeper than I thought.

https://twitter.com/KwCongressional/status/1280641525483999238

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TheRock1525
07/08/20 10:02:21 AM
#55:


https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1280862834516275200?s=19

Trump has managed to unite the Democratic Party very well.

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LordoftheMorons
07/08/20 10:08:48 AM
#56:


He is currently providing a masterful demonstration of the consequences of having someone who is unqualified for the presidency in every dimension during a crisis

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Jakyl25
07/08/20 10:34:34 AM
#57:


Kanye says his party is called the Birthday Party

His top advisors are Kim Kardashian-West and Elon Musk
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xp1337
07/08/20 2:31:27 PM
#58:


Last SCOTUS opinion day is tomorrow so we'll be getting the rulings on the two cases about Trump's taxes.

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ExThaNemesis
07/08/20 2:39:39 PM
#59:


Inviso posted...
Also, Kami, I've heard that story before but hadn't seen the video. Am I just missing where the victim of the attempted lynching is in the footage?

i was so confused as to who tf you were talking to.

pls call him KP from now on lol

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Mr Lasastryke
07/08/20 4:02:17 PM
#60:


yeah, i also briefly was like "like kami from dragon ball? whose account is that?" >_>

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CoolCly
07/08/20 4:34:18 PM
#61:


uh oh, overuse of force by police in my city. this is not good. this is very not good.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/edmonton-police-videos-force-professional-standards-investigation-1.5640970

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LordoftheMorons
07/08/20 5:23:13 PM
#62:


Cases here have been spiking substantially over the past week. Apparently most of them stemmed from frat parties.

I think the tradeoffs for elementary through high school are more difficult, but I continue to think that colleges even partially resuming in person classes in the fall is a very bad idea.

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xp1337
07/08/20 5:26:48 PM
#63:


Schools reopening will be a nightmare. If a student gets it do you quarantine the class? If a teacher gets it?

I'm sure some states are going to try but it's a disaster waiting to happen.

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LordoftheMorons
07/08/20 5:38:01 PM
#64:


Full disclosure, I'm personally quite worried for myself; I'm not sure if I'm gonna have to teach or not this fall, but if I do I assume I will have basically no leverage to refuse teaching in person beyond saying "fuck it, I'm taking the semester off" (which I do have the money to do if absolutely necessary, and would probably seriously consider, though health insurance might be an issue).

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Xeybozn
07/08/20 5:42:39 PM
#65:


Reopening schools is probably not a great idea, but what's the alternative? Cancelling the whole year would set most students behind for the rest of their lives. Besides, our top priority seems to be getting adults back to work; we can't do that without some form of low-cost childcare, and school is the only way we have to do that.
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xp1337
07/08/20 5:48:11 PM
#66:


Yeah, I don't really have an answer - and you're right that given the direction much of the country is moving in there isn't really a feasible alternative.

i mean to me that means you should rethink that direction some but even then I'm not sure what action should be taken here. I don't think there's a "good" option here, just trying to find the least bad one.

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LordoftheMorons
07/08/20 5:49:13 PM
#67:


Xeybozn posted...
Reopening schools is probably not a great idea, but what's the alternative? Cancelling the whole year would set most students behind for the rest of their lives. Besides, our top priority seems to be getting adults back to work; we can't do that without some form of low-cost childcare, and school is the only way we have to do that.
Elementary through high school is a fucked situation regardless of how you slice it. The solution was to take the pandemic seriously enough to have things in control by the fall; that's not gonna happen now.

College is much simpler, though: continue to do fully remote instruction. Yes, there are still downsides, but college does not have the childcare dual function of grade school, college students are older and thus more susceptible to the virus, and have the combination of freedom and irresponsibility that will maximize poor distancing decisions.

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Tom Bombadil
07/08/20 5:50:50 PM
#68:


xp1337 posted...
i mean to me that means you should rethink that direction some but even then I'm not sure what action should be taken here. I don't think there's a "good" option here, just trying to find the least bad one.

yep

I'm probably gonna get it over the course of the next school year oh well

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FFDragon
07/08/20 5:57:36 PM
#69:


Reopening schools is the literal worst idea from a containment issue, but the best idea from an economic standpoint.

So we know how it'll go.

Money over people.

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LordoftheMorons
07/08/20 6:29:58 PM
#70:


Horrible SCOTUS ruling today that employers cannot be forced to include birth control (which as you probably know is also used as medicine for some conditions in addition to just being used to prevent pregnancy) in the health insurance that they must provide to employees under the ACA:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/supreme-court-trump-exempt-employers-obamacare-birth-control/story?id=71254754

The decision was actually 7-2, but Kagan and Breyer did not join Thomas's opinion, and Kagan's seems to leave open the possibility that it could fail under a different challenge.

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Leafeon13N
07/08/20 6:36:57 PM
#71:


Keep in mind this part of the law can be immediately changed once Trump is out of office.
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LordoftheMorons
07/08/20 6:44:37 PM
#72:


Leafeon13N posted...
Keep in mind this part of the law can be immediately changed once Trump is out of office.

I actually don't think that's quite true. This isn't a law itself, it's an HHS rule on how the ACA is enforced. When they change rules, there's a review process (with public comment periods, opportunities to challenge, etc). Rules are also not supposed to be changed for arbitrary reasons like the policy preferences of the current administration (there's supposed to be an actual justification). Of course, that's exactly what the Trump administration did, so now the Biden admin will be in the awkward position of trying to undo all of these regulations basically with the reasoning of "the last guy changed all of these capriciously, and now we're just fixing them." I wouldn't be shocked if the conservatives on the court hypocritically let Trump's changes stand because of the bullshit presumption of good faith that they typically afford the government, and then hit Biden with "the executive can't just change things back and forth without new evidence driving those decisions"

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LordoftheMorons
07/08/20 6:48:23 PM
#73:


Lincoln Project coming after GOP Senators hard:

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1280961056261767168

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HeroDelTiempo17
07/08/20 6:50:24 PM
#74:


I still think it is super fucking weird how quickly the Lincoln Project popped up and went viral

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GuessMyUserName
07/08/20 7:00:47 PM
#75:


like is nobody else even making ads

on TV I've seen like anti-Biden Trump ads a few times and that's about it

.... also tho wow the those ads even really sucked, like I can think of just two and they hardly even had any audio apart from like one line or quoting Biden on China and then drama noises the rest

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Suprak the Stud
07/08/20 7:14:38 PM
#76:


How are republicans so good at making ads and democrats are so incompetent?

Like 100% of all the hardest hitting ads have been Lincoln Project ads.

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Tom Bombadil
07/08/20 7:26:07 PM
#77:


the right can't meme
the left can't advertise

it evens out maybe

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LordoftheMorons
07/08/20 7:53:00 PM
#78:


Harvard and MIT are suing over the Trump admin's sick decision to deport/bar visas from foreign students without in person classes in the fall:

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2020/7/8/harvard-mit-sue-immigration-authorities/

I assume that this probably won't be resolved before the election, so it's probably a case of weather or not SCOTUS will uphold an (I assume likely) lower court stay?

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red13n
07/08/20 7:56:55 PM
#79:


GuessMyUserName posted...
like is nobody else even making ads

on TV I've seen like anti-Biden Trump ads a few times and that's about it

While Trump is freefalling on his own the Biden campaign is definitely just stockpiling funds for closer to the election, yes.

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MoogleKupo141
07/08/20 8:34:07 PM
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
I still think it is super fucking weird how quickly the Lincoln Project popped up and went viral


it feels insidious to me

I worry these guys are playing a longer game.
They get positive associations with their name now by switching over to the winning team, then four years from now the people who saw how good and smart they were today might be tricked into thinking theyre still good and smart when theyre doing ads to elect whatever classy republican is running in 2024.
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Grimlyn
07/08/20 8:36:21 PM
#81:


i really don't see the republican base switching back to "classy", at least no way near as soon as 2024

trump's revealed exactly what they want from their politicians, someone to make libs mad

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Jakyl25
07/08/20 8:41:54 PM
#82:


MoogleKupo141 posted...


it feels insidious to me

I worry these guys are playing a longer game.
They get positive associations with their name now by switching over to the winning team, then four years from now the people who saw how good and smart they were today might be tricked into thinking theyre still good and smart when theyre doing ads to elect whatever classy republican is running in 2024.


I mean, isnt their basic goal to return the GOP to the days of 2012? I think theyre pretty open about that.
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Paratroopa1
07/08/20 8:45:04 PM
#83:


The Lincoln Project is not our friend
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LordoftheMorons
07/08/20 8:45:41 PM
#84:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
it feels insidious to me

I worry these guys are playing a longer game.
They get positive associations with their name now by switching over to the winning team, then four years from now the people who saw how good and smart they were today might be tricked into thinking theyre still good and smart when theyre doing ads to elect whatever classy republican is running in 2024.
From what I've read the GOP establishment that's still aligned with Trump absolutely hates them (particularly for going after his enablers in the party), so I don't think that's gonna happen. I think they've basically decided that the only way to de-Trumpify the party is to burn it down and start over.

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MoogleKupo141
07/08/20 8:46:07 PM
#85:


They might be open about that if you go looking for it, but how many of the people seeing the ads actually know that? I dont know if Zach Braff is really investigating the organization before he retweets their devastating own on trump.
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Jakyl25
07/08/20 8:46:58 PM
#86:


Paratroopa1 posted...
The Lincoln Project is not our friend


Neither is the Democratic Party, but in this case they are useful
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Jakyl25
07/08/20 8:47:44 PM
#87:


LordoftheMorons posted...

From what I've read the GOP establishment that's still aligned with Trump absolutely hates them (particularly for going after his enablers in the party), so I don't think that's gonna happen. I think they've basically decided that the only way to de-Trumpify the party is to burn it down and start over.


And theyre absolutely right about that
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HeroDelTiempo17
07/08/20 8:49:06 PM
#88:


Grimlyn posted...
i really don't see the republican base switching back to "classy", at least no way near as soon as 2024

trump's revealed exactly what they want from their politicians, someone to make libs mad

I think Kupo has it, they have a chance to back whatever "acceptable" Republican asshole is in for the primary and still pivot if it doesn't go their way

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Suprak the Stud
07/08/20 8:50:37 PM
#89:


As long as they keep launching haymakers in the direction of Trump and vulnerable senate republicans, they're more than welcome a seat at the table. Like Jakyl said, they're being useful right now and I don't care what their long term goals are.

Plus, I feel like if this was just that easy as "AHA BETRAYAL IN 2024!", they wouldn't have just launched that ad targeting all the "normal" republicans which is like the entirety of senate republicans. There are very few republicans not tainted by Trump, so if they want to burn down the entire party and start over, by all means.

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Jakyl25
07/08/20 8:52:30 PM
#90:


Suprak the Stud posted...

Plus, I feel like if this was just that easy as "AHA BETRAYAL IN 2024!", they wouldn't have just launched that ad targeting all the "normal" republicans which is like the entirety of senate republicans. There are very few republicans not tainted by Trump, so if they want to burn down the entire party and start over, by all means.


Yeah, Ive seen it said that for many, their goal is to purge every Republican in both houses except Romney
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LordoftheMorons
07/08/20 8:52:55 PM
#91:


Yeah I'd classify them as being in a temporary alliance with us. Democrats and the LP both have the same extremely important short term goal (removing Trump); I get not loving them, but they're being helpful at the moment.

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HeroDelTiempo17
07/08/20 8:53:24 PM
#92:


Jakyl25 posted...
Yeah, Ive seen it said that for many, their goal is to purge every Republican in both houses except Romney

Do we know who is backing them? This isn't the group Dubya is funding is it?

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Jakyl25
07/08/20 8:55:29 PM
#93:


The group has few major donors;[14] the top contributors are Silicon Valley investor Ron Conway, financier Andrew Redleaf, and Walmart heiress and philanthropist Christy Walton, who gave $50,000, $25,000, and $20,000, respectively (whose contributions collective make up just 4% of the Lincoln Project's total fundraising).[47] About 59% of the group's total fundraising comes from small donors ($200 or less).[14]

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Jakyl25
07/08/20 9:05:01 PM
#94:


Basically my line for tolerating them is crossed when they actually start trying to get their people elected, instead of just getting people UNelected

Im sure theyll cross that line eventually but until they do, theres no need to go hard against them
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UshiromiyaEva
07/08/20 9:05:45 PM
#95:


Holy shit I just saw the 10 second YouTube Trump ad about having to leave a message with 911 with sad Joe Ghost Biden in the background. What?

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Jakyl25
07/08/20 9:10:36 PM
#96:


UshiromiyaEva posted...
Holy shit I just saw the 10 second YouTube Trump ad about having to leave a message with 911 with sad Joe Ghost Biden in the background. What?


Its a clip of a longer ad where you have to leave a voicemail with the police about murder or rape because Biden defunded them
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ChaosTonyV4
07/08/20 9:20:48 PM
#97:


Fuck the Lincoln Project. Awful people.

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HeroDelTiempo17
07/08/20 9:28:54 PM
#98:


About 59% of the group's total fundraising comes from small donors ($200 or less)

I'd be impressed about the amount of small donors but I'm sure that's manufactured to some extent

At any rate I agree that they're a helpful tool for now, but I'm not happy about it!

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Grimlyn
07/08/20 9:34:13 PM
#99:


only 4 months left to the partnership!

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Jakyl25
07/08/20 9:48:36 PM
#100:


ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Fuck the Lincoln Project. Awful people.


Hey if a powerless Trump wants to help us not elect Tucker Carlson in 2024, Ill take an unholy alliance then too
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