Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic Part 501: Thunderdome???

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I legit feel sorry for Billie Kay. She has zero future as a singles competitor.

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Does Peyton?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Does Peyton?

Vince named her as future star in a conference call so I assume she's gonna get a shot at it.

Also she's a significantly better worker than Kay so that helps.

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Her reputation as a decent work stems entirely from like two or three matches with Asuka and in comparison to Billie Kay

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Peyton is only marginally better than Billie and without as much personality so I don't know how well this will go.

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Gonna fundamentally disagree there. Peyton is a modest worker and Billie Kay is probably the worst female worker on the main roster (like Lana-tier).

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ZeroSignal620 posted...

https://twitter.com/WWERomanReigns/status/1300591007852105729?s=19

You know what, I'm on board with heel Reigns.

I mean

This isn't that far removed from the Ligma Roman I suggested before! I'm down


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I'm really surprised everyone thinks Peyton is the Micheals of the group. I prefer her, but i seem to recall Bille getting a stronger singles presence in nxt

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WWE is depressing. Having a team breaks up match is just so meaningless without any build up. WWE could have actually had a significant match with real stakes that weren't stupid shit like eye for an eye match or Fiend swamp matches, and they could have really hit a truly human and emotional storyline with the Iconics.

But instead they just throw it on a random Raw, not announced, and then the end result is after they're heartbroken one just turns on the other like nothing. If you're going to break them up, this is just a pathetic way to do it. Why are we ever supposed to care about WWE's characters when it's clear they don't?

Anyway, here's a depressing video of a legitimate pair of best friends having to break up on a whim.

https://twitter.com/WWENetwork/status/1300650479777656836?s=19


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From last year's Raw when Bliss and Cross won the tag titles.

Three of these teams have broken up, and I'm 99% certain Alexa and Nikki are about to as well. The Women's Tag Division is a sham; as of last night, the following official tag teams remain on the main roster...

Sasha and Bayley (until they inevitably split and feud over the SD Women's title)
Riott Squad (Which had previously split before and now reunited because creative couldn't think of anything for Liv)
Alexa and Nikki (Who are in danger right now because of Alexa's slow change of character)
Natalya and Lana

And our tag champs are the stereotypical Odd Couple we've seen one too many times; one of which destroyed 5 people in a chamber only to be reduced to this, and the other is Nia Jax.

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ZeroSignal620 posted...

https://twitter.com/WWERomanReigns/status/1300591007852105729?s=19

You know what, I'm on board with heel Reigns.

People have been saying for years that he seems like a more natural heel.

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Most people are more natural heels imo
Especially in wwe

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Only problem that arises with heel Reigns is who does he feud with on Smackdown? One rumor is Wyatt turning face (dunno how that's getting pulled off, but w/e), but afterwards? We have the following...

Bryan
Jeff Hardy (who's currently feuding with both Styles and Zayn)
Big E

......you know what? I'm down for a one-time match between Reigns and E. Obviously Reigns wins, but it's a good way to give Big E some more solo ring time while the rest of New Day heals.

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We have a draft soon don't we?

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Bray is a babyface.

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ZeroSignal620 posted...

One rumor is Wyatt turning face (dunno how that's getting pulled off, but w/e),

the same way every turn in wwe in like a decade has been done - it already happened and you didn't notice

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WWE be like hahaha bet you didn't even notice we made him babyface and you, the idiot still watching WWE, tries to pull out chart to figure out who is still babyface or heel in this company and how many more you missed.

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retribution have been drafted to raw

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Buy your official Retribution merch for the unofficial faction that is repeatedly destroying our shows and assaulting our talent and clearly has it in for the company as a whole. Only on WWEShop.com.

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

then breaking up the Iiconics

You gotta be joking me.

So done with WWE. Well I have watched like two shows since March but you know.

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Buy your official Retribution merch for the unofficial faction that is repeatedly destroying our shows and assaulting our talent and clearly has it in for the company as a whole. Only on WWEShop.com.

I legitimately thought this might be true and actually went to check
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You know it's only a matter of time.

Probably after they reveal.

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NXT spoilers... Lol COUNTER PROGRAMMING

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Brandi is now a face again. I think.

After starting her promo saying "I don't care about losing the tag team tournament that I created for Allie and I to succeed.... BUT I'M VERY MAD AT ANNA JAY FOR CHOKING ME OUT." But she's dunking on Anna Jay for being a Nightmare Factory trainee...? But she doesn't care she lost the tournament she made so she could win...?

I hate Brandi. I just do. Her promo was so cringe. It was so cringe that I'd say if you're curious how cringe it was, go out of your way to watch it on AEW Dark. I feel like they just let Brandi do whatever the f she wants and don't care if it makes any sense.

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With Reigns getting a title match at Payback, that only leaves Kevin Owens as the only former Universal champ to not get a rematch before Vince ended said clause in December 2018.

Balor (August 2018)
Owens
Goldberg (Super Showdown 2020)
Lesnar (Crown Jewel 2018)
Reigns (Payback 2020)

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Eric Young is Impact World Champ.

Don't get that at all but okay.

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TheRock1525 posted...

Eric Young is Impact World Champ.

Well then. Impact's "The Man" title (arguably more legit since it did feature Ric Flair's final match ever in 2011 and zero vacancies) changes hands after only a week long run by Eddie Edwards.

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It's not Talk Is Jericho but it's still pretty revealing:

https://www.cagesideseats.com/wwe/2020/9/2/21417938/renee-young-first-post-wwe-interview-why-left-covid-aew-future-moxley

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So I kinda figured NXT didn't have a super loyal fanbase and so the move to another night would hurt them more than AEW having their shows on Thursday and Saturday. I was gonna guess 500k-600k.

They ended up doing 849k with a .26 in the demo which I gotta believe is the biggest they've had in 2020.

I don't know how much of that was a promised Iron Man match to crown a new champion, but those are surprisingly good numbers for NXT.


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I think a lot of it was the promised Iron Man Match honestly. It got a bigger boost than their other shows on a different night.

Which, of course, they fucked over you, the fool who decided to watch their show with a hyped up match again, by giving you a crappy finish that was entirely created to counter program the first event after their competitor's PPV.

Rumor is USA is asking WWE to move NXT to another day though.

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Is it odd that I'm not bothered at all by the ending? The very nature of a four man iron man match gave possiblity to this type of ending.

I guess they could have broke it up with two thirty minute one on one iron man matches and the winners going to a finals a week later but eh.

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Consensus is people are not happy with the ending who are young enough to be using social media websites, so yeah. Johnny Gargano anticipated this and also tweeted something pushing the match 8 minutes before the leak came out too, so I think even they knew fans would be disappointed.

It's just dumb. They promise you a new champion and then give you a lame finish. It's classic WWE in that they promise you something and then they say "Actually if you really want to see the champ you should tune in next week!" And it's so obvious why they did it like this and it's just so shitty. Just put on a good show to make people happy without any ulterior motive.

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It's not really classic WWE. Classic WWE would have been at the end, Undisputed ERA runs in, a bill ol' schmoz finish happens, no one has enough pinfalls or submissions to be the winner, Kyle O'Reilly throws on a ref shirt and counts the 1-2-3 for Adam Cole and he poses with the title as we go off the air with no idea who the real champion is.

It was quite clear the very inception of the idea that it would end in a tie because it wasn't a Fatal Four Way or an elimination Four Way, meaning a tie was not just a scenario but a likely one as well.

So I don't get the point in getting mad a perfectly reasonable result. It's not like some of the most famous matches in the world ended in time limit draws. Joe and Punk did it twice and both were for the championship.


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"It was set up for a disappointing finish from the start, so it was perfectly reasonable for them to give the fans a disappointing finish."

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That's not at all what I argued but okay.

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TheRock1525 posted...

Classic WWE would have been at the end, Undisputed ERA runs in, a bill ol' schmoz finish happens, no one has enough pinfalls or submissions to be the winner, Kyle O'Reilly throws on a ref shirt and counts the 1-2-3 for Adam Cole and he poses with the title as we go off the air with no idea who the real champion is.

That's classic WCW

TheRock1525 posted...

It was quite clear the very inception of the idea that it would end in a tie because it wasn't a Fatal Four Way or an elimination Four Way, meaning a tie was not just a scenario but a likely one as well.

That's Classic WWE

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You said it would end in a tie because it was practically set up for it to. Most people said that a tie was disappointing to them.

You're saying that it's a reasonable result, based on the set up, and people shouldn't be disappointed because they should have predicted the result (which was disappointing).

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Lopen posted...

That's classic WCW

That was literally WWE a few months ago to make Sasha Banks the RAW women's champion, then officially "won" it a couple weeks later by Asuka getting counted out because Kairi screamed her name.

Lopen posted...

That's Classic WWE

No, it's actually the opposite. Remember when Shinsuke and AJ Styles were feuding, and they had a match end in a double-count out because neither man could get up after double kicks to the balls? Their solution to finally having a proper winner was... a Last Man Standing match. Which could literally end in a double-count, too.

This is one the few times they kept internal logic consistent within their stipulation, and didn't fall victim to "outside interference puts result in doubt" like so many matches on RAW and Smackdown. The only thing different they could have done was have an overtime segment, which they technically are but on a different day.

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We're now arguing that it's not so bad because there wasn't an interference finish... And instead it's better because it's a non-finish and "logically consistent".

I dunno man. I feel like people would have been happier with an actual winner, even if it had an interference finish. Because, you know, there would be an actual winner.

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I feel like people would have been happier with an actual winner, even if it had an interference finish. Because, you know, there would be an actual winner.

I guarantee you if we got UE interference leading to another Adam Cole title reign, when a big complaint about the stagnation of NXT was "Cole wins/retains via UE interference", that people would be upset about Cole reverting back to the spot he was before losing to Lee/the McAfee feud.

And for whatever reason Regal referred to this coming match as "sudden death" (which technically is every match) so they're treating it like an extension of the Iron Man match.

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Listen man, you're free to like the finish, but the vast majority thought it sucked. I'm not going to get into a discussion with you with "it's better than..." or "It's set up so that..."

If a finish sucks, it doesn't suck less because of theoretical suckier finishes. And it doesn't matter if it's "logical" or "set up that way". If the vast majority of vocal people who still watch your program and are young enough they actually use social media think it sucks, you did something wrong.

They should focus on making fans happy. Not making a finish to own AEW for their post-PPV show.

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Going back to a heel Cole title run would get a negative review because its stale as fuck and he literally JUST turned face.

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Listen man, you're free to like the finish

I don't like the finish. I never said I liked the finish. I said the finish didn't bother me in the slightest because it was a reasonable outcome due to the nature of the match, and it's not like we're going to be denied a true champion like WWE does so very, very, very, very often.

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Bruh. Lol

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Don't see what's lol-worthy about that but okay

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Why are you defending it so hard if you don't even like it. You could just accept "a lot of people found this disappointing" and be done with it.

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I think the problem is that I actually don't understand why it's logically consistent unless your logic is "how to find a way to make this a draw" (ie classic WWE booking)

Are you saying like, from a probability perspective there are more combinations where a draw can happen it's logically consistent that there was one? Because as someone who has taken several probability classes in college but doesn't really want to think about it (partially because the premise of every man in the match having an equally likely chance of getting points is fundamentally screwy so why strain my brain on it), I'm pretty sure it's actually less likely to end in a draw if you're assuming random point spread for each competitor than a 1v1 is because while yes there are more draw combinations there are a ton more non-draw point combinations too.

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On top of these two points brought up by Lopen and SEP, I was baffled by the "true champion" concept too.

Like... you were JUST denied a true champion. There is nothing stopping the UE from running in during this next match. Are you arguing that we shouldn't have heels doing heel things because it doesn't make them "true champions"?

They promised you a champion and then they said "But wait watch next week and this time we promise we'll give you a champion for sure!" This isn't a match where two even competitors were competing over a title and then the one guy retains because they drew. This is "We are literally giving you a new champion this week, wait no we aren't. You'll need to wait until next week to get that."

It's just silly.

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Lopen posted...

Are you saying like, from a probability perspective there are more combinations where a draw can happen it's logically consistent that there was one? Because as someone who has taken several probability classes in college but doesn't really want to think about it (partially because the premise of every man in the match having an equally likely chance of getting points is fundamentally screwy so why strain my brain on it), I'm pretty sure it's actually less likely to end in a draw if you're assuming random point spread for each competitor than a 1v1 is because while yes there are more draw combinations there are a ton more non-draw point combinations too.

i wanted to put a picture of scott steiner here but image embedding never actually works

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Like... you were JUST denied a true champion.

I was? All they did was push the overtime to another day. If Regal had just started immediately would it be some massive improvement? A five minute sprint between Balor and Cole?

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

There is nothing stopping the UE from running in during this next match.

I mean, unless I'm mistaken, the Four way Iron Man match was No DQ. Why would UE hold off on interfering in the match where it's allowed? And just give Cole the benefit of the doubt in the match where his odds were lower to not interfere and instead opt to interfere in a match where Cole has much better odds of winning?

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