Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 345: Dominion Rush

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Inviso posted...

But seriously, the death penalty is a complicated issue. There is always going to be a possibility that someone is wrongfully convicted, and the potential to kill an innocent man gives me pause in wanting them dead (I'm not Donald Trump after all, and am not going to put out a full-page ad in the New York Times, calling for the execution of five innocent black kids for a crime they didn't commit). The way I see it, as long as someone is imprisoned, then at least they are being punished for their crimes without the finality of death in the event of innocence.

Death penalty needs reformed. However, the issue is the people who say the death penalty is inhumane and should never be allowed to even be contemplated.

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Corrik7 posted...

Death penalty needs reformed. However, the issue is the people who say the death penalty is inhumane and should never be allowed to even be contemplated.

Like I said, it's a complicated issue. Because no amount of reform will ever completely eliminate the possibility of an innocent man being sentenced to death for a crime he didn't commit.

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Corrik7 posted...

Um, Rudy Guiliani is the head of the state? Holy shit!

He is the personal lawyer for the president of the United States. He is acting on behalf of the president.

Corrik7 posted...

And, yes, I am going to compare wishing deaths on American citizens that you don't like versus not wishing death and just rehabilitation for people who are mass murderers.

You do realize when we rehabilitate someone, we don't just let them walk free while we're doing it, right? Rehabilitation still requires punishment and they still go to prison for an extended period of time.

Hey, if Trump was actively in prison right now then you might have a point. But he's still out there, making poor decisions that are actively killing Americans.

Your comparison might make sense if we're still letting the killers go free while we rehab them, and letting them to continue to kill. But we wouldn't be doing that.

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TheRock1525 posted...

Jesus Christ are you really comparing sports to a country's heads of states?

Are you that dense? The difference is literally "I hope we win the sports match" vs. "I hope these shit heads stop fucking around with an election they clearly lost so we can have a smooth transition and not have more deaths than we have to."

CORRIK. It's CORRIK!

Are you that dense that you expect anything else from him??

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Inviso posted...

For the record, my assumption was less "I hope his kid dies" and more "I hope he catches COVID from his kid and dies himself".

That is what I'm hoping for, yes.

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TheRock1525 posted...

He is the personal lawyer for the president of the United States. He is acting on behalf of the president.

You do realize when we rehabilitate someone, we don't just let them walk free while we're doing it, right? Rehabilitation still requires punishment and they still go to prison for an extended period of time.

Hey, if Trump was actively in prison right now then you might have a point. But he's still out there, making poor decisions that are actively killing Americans.

Your comparison might make sense if we're still letting the killers go free while we rehab them, and letting them to continue to kill. But we wouldn't be doing that.

When you hire an attorney, they may do your will in the way they think is best legally, but they make their own actions. Trump is not responsible for the actions that Guiliani does, nor does it make Guiliani a head of state. No idea wtf you were going for with on that one.

You will not be prosecuted, Rock, if your personal attorney decides to go run over a group of wayward children.

There is nothing wrong anyways with Guiliani taking legal actions to challenge votes. That is their right to do, and it is a reason we have a legal system. If Trump was committing a coup, it would be a lot different scenario than losing a ton of court cases repeatedly.

But, again! Your analogy never made sense in the first place. It was dumb from the beginning. Yes, you are treating your political side like a sports team and are talking in the way one would do who is way too obsessed with their team in regards to opponents. Except, deep down the sports nut probably knows they aren't truly serious (they just want to win), while you seem more serious about wanting death to occur.

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God you are so fucking oblivious. I had you blocked before but then you got an alt, but now it's time to block you again.

See ya.

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Corrik7 posted...

However, hoping the people you don't politically like die is quite another matter indeed.

I've got bad news for you about the US government

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Corrik7 posted...

Trump is not responsible for the actions that Guiliani does

Actually he is literally considered responsible for any actions taken by lawyers acting as his representative.

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TheRock1525 posted...

God you are so fucking oblivious. I had you blocked before but then you got an alt, but now it's time to block you again.

See ya.

Good call.

I'd unblocked to make the topic more readable but absolutely not worth it. Going back.

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DAMN this is pathetic, lol.

https://twitter.com/ScottJW/status/1329839721971912706?s=19

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I have no alts. lol at Rock. Acted extremist. Gets called out. Runs back to a safe space. Gotta keep that echo chamber going.

Running away because someone called out wishing death on people you don't like is literally dumb and sick. *rolls eyes*

Anyways...

red13n posted...

Actually he is literally considered responsible for any actions taken by lawyers acting as his representative.

If the act is illegal, he has a reasonable expectation that the lawyer would have known the law and gave legal advise stating why it could not be done.

That said, Rudy is again doing nothing wrong here. He is just exhausting all legal avenues for Trump. If Trump wants to pay him to lose court cases all day, then hey! More power to him!

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I will say i find it valid to hope people in power who harm others death isn't the worst stance. But once they aren't in a position to harm it kind of becomes moot.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I will say i find it valid to hope people in power who harm others death isn't the worst stance. But once they aren't in a position to harm it kind of becomes moot.

But, do you agree it is a hypocritical stance for being against the death penalty.

Or are you saying that once in custody they are no longer in a position to harm so its moot at that point?

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Yes, I don't mind the death penalty aside from our criminal justice system isn't good enough to have that penalty given the mistakes made.

Which is a bit of a problem.

But also yeah not in a position to harm also plays into it for me. But like, if Trump had been shot in January maybe less covid deaths, you know? But that said hope Rudy's son recovers, from what I know nothing too ghoulish about him.

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Its funny when people dont take something seriously and get killed by it.

Its a trope in fiction for a reasonits entertaining!

People being executed by the state? Not funny or entertaining.

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There are only a handful of people who I think deserve to get covid. Some governors, Trumps, etc. Rudy's son is likely just going along with his dad. Likely poisoned a fair bit but I don't hold him accountable.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

People being executed by the state? Not funny or entertaining.

This is not true. History says people are plenty entertained by this.

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i mean people being executed was literally entertainment for hundreds if not thousands of years so that's clearly wrong. people are certainly depraved enough to find enjoyment in that, especially if the person commits a grave enough offense (e.g., mass murderer, serial rapist, child molesters, etc).

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I think there was this thing in Rome for it. Slips my mind.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

There are only a handful of people who I think deserve to get covid.

Every GOP higher-up that could have slowed the pandemic and instead chose to actively support pro-COVID policies to curry favor with Trump supporters deserves it. So like 99% of them


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oh holy shit.
completely unrelated from all this, back to real world stuff.

in NYC schools recently closed because of covid again.
well, we're getting some numbers now. the school system is about 1.1 million. only about 335k have said they're going back. a third. this is the highest value possible too btw, meaning that at least 3/4 of a million of students aren't going back to in person schooling when schools open back up. also for students who started with remote learning, only about 35k have requested some form of in person schooling.

education is in complete shambles.

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Tbh schools aren't that great. I was talking to my partner today and really the internet and competitive pokemon taught me more than school did.

Weed out the weak

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Weed out the weak

uhhhhhhh

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Minded! Weak minded!

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The GOP's stance on school in the pandemic is weird. Considering how an inherent part of their platform is to hurt youth education to raise more eventual GOP voters, you'd have thought they would have been totally on board with not sending anyone back to school. Guess they were so caught up in opposing whatever Dems do that they forgot that.

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red13n posted...

This is not true. History says people are plenty entertained by this.

Well I was going along with Corriks train of thought that wishing death on certain people is hypocritical if youre against the death penalty, but yeah

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All I am saying is that if you disagree with the death penalty for people the justice system determines its an appropriate penalty for, then you shouldn't wish death on anyone at all.

If you do agree there is times when it is a net benefit for the death of someone, then so be it. I won't agree with political rivals, but I mean, if there is a terrorist out there that can cause harm to Americans through illegal actions that can take their lives, by all means your job as a government is to protect American lives.

I just don't agree with say Jakyl saying the death penalty should never be considered, and we should be all rehabilitation... if he is going to follow it up with I hope this American citizen that says something I don't like dies.

There is a sense of irony if a non-believer dies to something they didn't believe in. For example, the Flat Earth rocket guy. However, I can't say I can ever think of a scenario where I would be like I really hope this fucker dies so people realize he is dumb. I mean, that's a bit too far for me. I don't even agree with deplatforming or cancelling people. Now we are 10x further at wishing them literal death!

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Tbh schools aren't that great. I was talking to my partner today and really the internet and competitive pokemon taught me more than school did.

Weed out the weak

i've worked schools for years so i totally get what you mean there, and i can tell you that it's not much better from the educator's side. we all know the deficiencies and the issues the yearly schedule has with delivering content. personal gripe has always been the really shitty situation good students have because they're not getting nearly enough attention as they're rarely the focus; a certain amount of assertiveness by them and/or adults reaching out to them is needed to help them properly grow and develop as people.

but it's still a fucked situation here because we're spiraling to a point where public education is going to become a negative value for kids and teens because they're just gonna get significantly more out of home schooling, teaching themselves, or working. this also runs right through the budget like nothing else, funding? what funding, for who? there's a gigantic ecosystem that's gonna collapse if these numbers keep going the way they do.

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Disagree that schools aren't necessary for young kids. For older kids, it CAN be a POSITIVE to not be in school regardless of a pandemic and learning virtually. At young ages though, being in school is essential.

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at younger ages the main value school gives isn't necessarily the content but the social interactions, learning the rules, social dynamics, etc. like yeah some content is important to have there but you're trying to establish good habits and and intro to society more than anything else.

then we abandon all that because who needs home ec and civics, it's not like knowing how to cook is important right. -_-

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My mom works for a University that's losing mucho money in the pandemic, and recently they

1. Fired a bunch of the Directors who were in charge of keepings things running smoothly
2. Kept every overpaid Vice President (of which there are around 10) who basically sits around and do nothing
3. Cut back none of the enormous benefits the President and Vice President have (for example, the President's personal food bills are footed by the University for some reason)
4. Asked teachers to teach Winter/Summer session for free and tried guilt tripping the teachers into doing so by talking about how many jobs at the University would be 'saved'

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Wanglicious posted...

then we abandon all that because who needs home ec and civics, it's not like knowing how to cook is important right. -_-

Mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell

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Wanglicious posted...

at younger ages the main value school gives isn't necessarily the content but the social interactions, learning the rules, social dynamics, etc. like yeah some content is important to have there but you're trying to establish good habits and and intro to society more than anything else.

then we abandon all that because who needs home ec and civics, it's not like knowing how to cook is important right. -_-

I hated home ec, art, and shop. What wasted classes. They should have been teaching us to build computers or another language instead.

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KamikazePotato posted...

Mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell

Parasite Eve should be a required part of any science class.

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Corrik7 posted...

I hated home ec, art, and shop. What wasted classes. They should have been teaching us to build computers or another language instead.

home ec and shop hold the same kind of practical value as building a computer would. practical skills are important and they ain't taught.

languages should just plain start being taught in elementary because that's when you're at your best. that's a flaw with younger grades too, high school spanish is a joke.

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Wanglicious posted...

home ec and shop hold the same kind of practical value as building a computer would. practical skills are important and they ain't taught.

languages should just plain start being taught in elementary because that's when you're at your best. that's a flaw with younger grades too, high school spanish is a joke.

Just think that technology is a better route than art, home ec, or shop. Granted my school district now is STEM from kindergarten on. So, that's good.

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RaidenGarai posted...

Parasite Eve should be a required part of any science class.

yess all the burning kidneys

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oh my goddddddddddddddddd

this may be better than the four seasons thing

https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1329795770464276480

The affidavit that Trump's legal team has been hyping up that they claim proves fraud by showing that there were more votes in some Michigan precincts than there were actual voters... is because they thought MI = Minnesota and they were looking at the Minnesota data.

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Politicians are less prison inmates, more active gunmen. While it'd be much better for the system to arrest them and remove their power correctly, more extreme results are easier to bear when they're in the middle of actively (if indirectly) killing people.

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JeffreyRaze posted...

Politicians are less prison inmates, more active gunmen. While it'd be much better for the system to arrest them and remove their power correctly, more extreme results are easier to bear when they're in the middle of actively (if indirectly) killing people.

Yikes

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I think it's messed up you guys are happy when political opponents have physical bad things happen to them like injury or COVID. It's even more messed up when you implicitly or explicitly support violence against them at rallies and stuff. Took 5 minutes for SEP to reply to that video Ulti posted earlier about a couple being grabbed and attacked moving through a crowd with something about their overall movement, instead of thinking of that couple as actual people being attacked.

Do you guys realize you are just as shitty as the people you hate?

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xp1337 posted...

The affidavit that Trump's legal team has been hyping up that they claim proves fraud by showing that there were more votes in some Michigan precincts than there were actual voters... is because they thought MI = Minnesota and they were looking at the Minnesota data.

I feel like this should surprise me, but it doesn't. I expect this level of stupid from Trump, everybody around him, and anybody who supports him.

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CoolCly posted...

Do you guys realize you are just as shitty as the people you hate?

Yeah man, it's really messed up to wish harm on murderers, not sure why anyone would do that

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If you want disgusting news, the 11th Circuit ruled 2-1 on a 3 judge panel that bans on "conversion therapy" violate the First Amendment. Both of the judges ruling that were Trump judges: https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1329829140233662469

Thread goes into it some more but the bans only applied to minors and licensed counselors (and not to clergy or private citizens.)

The decision creates a split in circuit decisions on the matter so it's probably on its way to SCOTUS. The dissent calls out the majority's "there's not sufficient evidence that conversion therapy is harmful!" by pointing out that medical experts have said conducting the research the majority wants here would be unethical because it would harm children.

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CoolCly posted...

I think it's messed up you guys are happy when political opponents have physical bad things happen to them like injury or COVID. It's even more messed up when you implicitly or explicitly support violence against them at rallies and stuff. Took 5 minutes for SEP to reply to that video Ulti posted earlier about a couple being grabbed and attacked moving through a crowd with something about their overall movement, instead of thinking of that couple as actual people being attacked.

Do you guys realize you are just as shitty as the people you hate?

nope

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KamikazePotato posted...

Yeah man, it's really messed up to wish harm on murderers, not sure why anyone would do that

When you stretch your definition of murderer from "person who physically killed somebody" to all kinds of things like "this person was in office and bad things happened because of their poor decision making and that makes them a murderer", or "this person worked for the person in office i consider a murderer", or "this person is related to someone who worked for the person in office I consider a murderer", or "this person attended a rally or voted for the person in office i consider a murder", yeah, that is messed up.

You're not supporting harm on murderers... you are just supporting violence against random people you don't like.

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I'm so past the 'political opponent' card. Joe Biden is more of a political opponent to me than Republicans are. The former is a person with policies I disagree with, the latter are cartoon villains.

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xp1337 posted...

If you want disgusting news, the 11th Circuit ruled 2-1 on a 3 judge panel that bans on "conversion therapy" violate the First Amendment. Both of the judges ruling that were Trump judges: https://twitter.com/mjs_DC/status/1329829140233662469

Thread goes into it some more but the bans only applied to minors and licensed counselors (and not to clergy or private citizens.)

The decision creates a split in circuit decisions on the matter so it's probably on its way to SCOTUS. The dissent calls out the majority's "there's not sufficient evidence that conversion therapy is harmful!" by pointing out that medical experts have said conducting the research the majority wants here would be unethical because it would harm children.

How lovely of them to do this on transgender day of awareness.

CoolCly posted...

When you stretch your definition of murderer from "person who physically killed somebody" to all kinds of things like "this person was in office and bad things happened because of their poor decision making and that makes them a murderer", or "this person worked for the person in office i consider a murderer", or "this person is related to someone who worked for the person in office I consider a murderer", or "this person attended a rally or voted for the person in office i consider a murder", yeah, that is messed up.

You're not supporting harm on murderers... you are just supporting violence against random people you don't like.

This post has like three different fallacies in it at once, but for the sake of brevity I'll focus on how according to your logic no leader can ever be malicious or held responsible for their actions

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