Board 8 > Wandavision 2: MCU Boogaloo

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What? He is absolutely going to be back lol

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Final thoughts on the series as a whole:

The short answer is I liked it. However it's definitely a show that's really reliant on its mystery and once you lose that, it becomes really boring. Especially since a lot of the weird/interesting stuff is kinda ruined once we know the answer (The bee keeper and Quicksilver immediately come to mind).

That said, I really like the Wanda/Vision stuff. They both became really fleshed out here and now I actually care about them as characters which is nice. I loved everything they did with Wanda and the after credit scene has me psyched. I have a feeling her and Strange are actually going to clash in his sequel. I also really appreciate them giving Wanda a bittersweet ending. The kids and Vision definitely needed to go (at least for now) and I also loved that scene where everyone from Westview was just staring at her.

I don't have much to say about Vision since he wasn't the focus, but I did really enjoy the fight between both versions of him. Seeing him go the logic route was pretty sweet. Paul Bettany really brought his acting chops to this one. He really brought some humanity to the character.

As for the villains, Agnes was phenomenal and Hayward was terrible. It's pretty obvious as to why and I don't think I need to explain it.

NowI do have some pretty big thoughts on the other side characters. The whole Monica/Darcy/Jimmy plot was okay. It was really nice to see them in episode 4, I also liked how they introduced Monica, but as things went on they felt more and more out of place. Especially Monica. It felt like she's only her so they don't have to worry about setting her up in Capt. Marvel 2. I liked her character well enough, I just think they botched her plot wise.

Anyway glad they mostly delivered. I'm looking forward to Falcon and Winter Soldier!


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Waluigi1 posted...

What? He is absolutely going to be back lol

he was programmed to destroy Vision. The two Visions have a debate over what truly is Vision, then after getting his memories back, white Visions final line is I am Vision

getting those memories didnt necessarily alter the programmed directive to destroy Vision, so he would logically have to destroy himself now.
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NowI do have some pretty big thoughts on the other side characters. The whole Monica/Darcy/Jimmy plot was okay. It was really nice to see them in episode 4, I also liked how they introduced Monica, but as things went on they felt more and more out of place. Especially Monica. It felt like she's only her so they don't have to worry about setting her up in Capt. Marvel 2. I liked her character well enough, I just think they botched her plot wise.

now thats over, I feel like either the show needed a little more length to give those other two more of an arc, or it should have cut one of them entirely. I think you could have split Darcys role in the plot between Jimmy and Monica and it would have worked ok. Jimmy can ram a truck into another truck just fine.
Relatedly, Hayward needed some more clear motivation to be a colossal piece of shit. He just straight up shot a gun at children! Whats his deal?

also maybe it could have used a little more direct conversation between (awake) Monica and Wanda.
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I liked that.

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Pretty much the ending I thought it would be, and it all capped things off nicely I think, although perhaps a few more questions than answers than I would have liked. I think my only real complaint is how badly Monica was underutilized here in the end - she didn't really have anything to do in the final episode at all and just ended up being a teaser for Captain Marvel 2. I liked her setup, but there was no payoff.

Other than that, great!

Yeah the finale kind of hit how I was feeling for a majority of the show

It was alright.

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with that said I am more than ready for dumb buddy cop popcorn fest Falcon and Winter Soldier

at least I really, really hope that's what it is

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I knew they wouldn't throw Agatha away

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red13n posted...

I knew they wouldn't throw Agatha away

She'll be back for a five minute cameo in a future film and that will be it >_>

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I could see them doing another Wanda-focused series in the future that somehow involves her needing to team up with Agatha. The response to Agatha has been so positive, it would make sense to try to work her into their future plans somehow.
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I'm not sure how I feel about the finale.

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meh finale.

jimmy can just steal the phone like that... while handcuffed? come on. i get that he's a competent FBI agent but hayward can't be THIS dumb.

fake pietro really WAS just some random dude. lame.

agree with para that monica was underused. she's STILL not photon? really? stop teasing us already.

didn't quite get what was going on with white vision.

my overall initial reaction is that many of the questions they raised, they just... didn't answer, which makes this finale rather unsatisfying. one that instantly comes to mind for me: why was dottie not on the bulletin board of westview residents? never explained.

it's disappointing to me that a show that started out so weird and david lynch-esque ended on the typical MCU fireworks. good show. but not great. a few episodes ago, i was much more into it.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

jimmy can just steal the phone like that... while handcuffed? come on. i get that he's a competent FBI agent but hayward can't be THIS dumb.

I didn't have any problem with this as we are already aware he has been practicing his slight of hand.

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I thought it was a really good finale that served as a satisfying conclusion to the show, but it also wasnt the peak of it.

It went much more typical Marvel than I expected, and the smashy crashy stuff rarely works for me. The Captain Marvel 2 set up was a bit obvious, and they never explained who the two in the ads were I think. However, they made smart decisions to tone down the action, like having the Visions settle it through philosophy. I also really liked the scenes that showed the consequences of her actions like when the townspeople are begging her for help or all staring at her at the end. They also really managed an emotional final scene. Elizabeth Olsen was terrific as always too.

Also shoutout to Paul Bettany for trolling everyone with the actor Ive always wanted to work with turning out to be... Paul Bettany.

Edit:

Regarding Pietro, they clearly signalled that it wasnt X-Men Pietro as soon as he appeared, and we essentially new he was a transformed resident as of at least the last episode based on Agathas dialogue about him. Its totally fine and expected. Its best to not get too attached to all the theories.

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Took a little time to think about this show as a whole, and without getting into spoilers, here are my general thoughts

This show is Marvel in a nutshell. It has great performances and visuals, but mediocre storytelling and underutilized and almost one dimensional villains. There are always exceptions to all of these (good and bad) but at its core its kind of exactly what I expect from a mediocre Marvel product. Wandavision won't leave me thinking about the implications of what happened, but rather the missed opportunities, which is how I feel about a decent grouping of the MCU.


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Lightning Strikes posted...

I thought it was a really good finale that served as a satisfying conclusion to the show, but it also wasnt the peak of it.

It went much more typical Marvel than I expected, and the smashy crashy stuff rarely works for me. The Captain Marvel 2 set up was a bit obvious, and they never explained who the two in the ads were I think. However, they made smart decisions to tone down the action, like having the Visions settle it through philosophy. I also really liked the scenes that showed the consequences of her actions like when the townspeople are begging her for help or all staring at her at the end. They also really managed an emotional final scene. Elizabeth Olsen was terrific as always too.

Also shoutout to Paul Bettany for trolling everyone with the actor Ive always wanted to work with turning out to be... Paul Bettany.

I'm so mad at him for that.(not really but ya know)

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thinking about it more, the monica/fake pietro stuff reminded me of the infamous fake mandarin reveal in iron man 3. iron man 3 had "I WOULDN'T GO IN THERE FOR TWENTY MINUTES," this had "YOUR NAME IS RALPH BONER LOL." throw in a twist, fine, but this kind of terrible crass humor just makes it come across as if marvel is trolling us.

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Ralph Bohner is really annoying, his existence post-cliffhanger-reveal is just nothing but trolling - and yeah literally ending it on lol boner come on

that Scarlet Witch outfit was flawless tho and hell yeah post-credits hype. As they said with Vision, there will be another "Hello" I'm sure, highly doubt White Vision just killed himself because of his programming which he could surely hack out of himself after the unlock... he's Vision.

Show did well for WandaVision that's for sure, their post-Ultron presence in the MCU always felt hollow to me until now. Monica... yeah just setup for her, but I appreciate her support for Wanda in a sea of people (rightfully) hateful of her.

Hayward... he just makes the outside-WandaVision world feel so unnecessary since his role is so cartoonishly evil. I guess they needed someone to make White Vision but in hindsight I'd rather they really minimize the whole role of the SWORD stuff -or rather they just didn't need to be baddies. I am a fan of Jimmy & Darcy tho, they're always just enjoyable - just a shame they're tied up in the worst side of the show.

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Lightning Strikes posted...

Regarding Pietro, they clearly signalled that it wasnt X-Men Pietro as soon as he appeared, and we essentially new he was a transformed resident as of at least the last episode based on Agathas dialogue about him. Its totally fine and expected. Its best to not get too attached to all the theories.

but why cast evan peters then?

also, how did they "clearly signal it wasn't x-men pietro as soon as he appeared"? i thought it was totally possible that he was and that he was acting differently because he was under someone's (wanda's? agatha's?) spell.

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Remembering Pietro had that other cliffhanger ending with Monica whichliterally was only used to set up Ralph Bohner

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Evan Peters was just a meta gag. They even did a Kick Ass joke about it, which was an indicator that they were absolutely fine with having those kinds of winks to the audience. The line hes introduced with was she recast Pietro! (not another Pietro! or something like that) which is exactly what happens (just with a different she behind it), in his next appearance he had no similarities with either Quicksilver, which the show notes, in episode 7 they show him being controlled by Agatha, and in the episode after that she mentions making him Pietro by some form of possession. So it has basically been known since at least last week. Certainly no reason to think he actually was the X-Men one, for starters he didnt even use the same name!

On Ralph Boehner - he is likely Jimmy Woos person in witness protection, which is why he laughs at his own name.

...Also are people forgetting the entirety of episode 6? That was his reason to exist, to provoke Wanda like he does there.

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oh yeah, forgot to mention that vision shedding a tear was a nice reference to the comics.

https://i.redd.it/z92o61zuq1o31.jpg

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https://twitter.com

/JavierJChapa1/status/1367850494757134337

I don't think spoiler tagging tweets works so this will have to do :|

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Lmao that would be so good if true.

So

The ending was quite good. It was sad, though poignant and not without hope. I wish we can see more of Wiccan and Speed though.

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I enjoyed it, def felt like Hayward's progression into someone that would shoot at children/the daughter of someone he seemed close to was pretty abrupt, but oh well.
The kids I could see him thinking they're not real/just projections but to continue to unload the clip once he knew Monica was in the way was even more shocking. Just really hates powered people I guess.

Hoping he ends up coming back as the head of whoever makes Sentinels if/when x-men become part of MCU.

Also I think that no way Pietro was just some random Bohner. They had to know casting him and having him be a nobody would leave people dissapointed.
In typical MCU slow-burn fashion I expect he was just a bit of a tease of multi-verse and we'll get more explanation on him in upcoming movies/shows.

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Good show, Olsen was fantastic the whole way through especially in the final episode.

I was waiting for that one big cameo that Bettany teased. Oh well.
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I'm pretty mixed on the finale. I loved the stuff like Wanda lowering the Hex so people could escape, Hex Vision vs. White Vision, seeing Wiccan and Speed in battle and the new costume reveal. A lot of it was really well done.

But it's dragged down by awful storytelling decisions, like the Quicksliver/Ralph/Evan Peters thing. Man, what a bad creative decision to just write him out like that. I also felt that the SWORD side of the story amounted to very little considering how much screen time they had gotten before.

Overall though, I think time will be kind to this series and in retrospect, without the weight of fan theories that are impossible to live up to, it will hold up very well.

of all the things to criticize the show for, Evan Peters not being a multiverse Quiksilver is really low on the list. Come on guys.

I was really disappointed Darcy wasn't Beta Ray Bill in disguise, but you know, marvel gonna 'bad decisions'.

For a finale, it did fine. It was more MCU, yeah, but it delivered in a way that was better than "she flies through spaceships now". Which, really, is good on Monica, girl JUST got powers and despite her not freaking out about them, she hasn't intentionally used them once, which makes way more sense than the terrible notion that "oh yeah she *should* be Photon now" like what?

Definite vibes of Seeking a Friend for the End of the World which I enjoyed. Was actually disappointed to get only Monica and a Skrull for stinger #1, but I imagined there'd be a second stinger, only... it said just about nothing. I was hoping a stinger would be the boys coming back because Wiccan realized he had the power to write him and his brother into existence or something like that where Wanda's creations created themselves, but there's no hint of multiverse, Mephisto, anything, just "help". Meh.

Overall, it was a cute water cooler show for a month. It banked on being a mystery, did a Lost-esque arc, but didn't make it too complicated and wrapped it up cleanly, which doesn't make it a top-tier creation or anything like that, but doesn't make it suffer pitfalls of other long-running mystery shows.

My expectations for what a Disney+ MCU show would be were met. That's probably the most concise way to summarize things.

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

of all the things to criticize the show for, Evan Peters not being a multiverse Quiksilver is really low on the list. Come on guys.

I was really disappointed Darcy wasn't Beta Ray Bill in disguise, but you know, marvel gonna 'bad decisions'.

How is this even supposed to be an analogy? You do know Evan Peters literally played Quicksilver before, right?

ScepterOfLove posted...

How is this even supposed to be an analogy? You do know Evan Peters literally played Quicksilver before, right?

lol thank you, I was trying to think of a concise way to say 'this comparison is trash' but you got it.

Edit: Unless of course Kat Dennings portrayed Beta Ray Bill in the past, which I would be okay with seeing the take on that.

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ScepterOfLove posted...

How is this even supposed to be an analogy? You do know Evan Peters literally played Quicksilver before, right?

It's called hyperbole buddy.

It just strikes me as silly that, in a show where 5 episodes were literally meta jokes on other shows, y'all getting your panties in a twist from a meta-joke.

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Gonna keep 'it's just hyperbole bro' in my back pocket for the next time I make an awful analogy.

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lol u mad

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so many post credits

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I don't get people complaining about the obvious reaction to Ralph occurring because I find it hard to take anyone seriously if they wanna pretend it's not exactly the reaction writers were after -- we literally got Bonered.

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GuessMyUserName posted...

I don't get people complaining about the obvious reaction to Ralph occurring because I find it hard to take anyone seriously if they wanna pretend it's not exactly the reaction writers were after -- we literally got Bonered.

It's the difference between "oh I would have liked this" and "wow this was a bad decision"

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

It's the difference between "oh I would have liked this" and "wow this was a bad decision"

and? why can't it be a bad decision?

there's lots of bad decisions in the series - in many series. it's hardly some grave offence to think some decisions suck, and it's not at all the only thing people have been focused on here whether they overall enjoyed the show or not.

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Was that Thanos's cabin?
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It's a bad decision. They knew the expectation that casting Evan Peters would bring. And then the visually impaired audio even says something along the lines of "Pietro, the X-Men universe one" when he was first revealed. To set those expectations for the outcome of a boner joke is just... bad.

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If they cast anyone else to play Pietro and then have it play out this way, it would be a I would have liked this to be a multiverse Pietro but not a bad decision.

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GuessMyUserName posted...

and? why can't it be a bad decision?

Because it's just not. It was a joke. And supposedly the entire construction of the plot should be changed because people wanted it to be more than a joke.

TotallyNotMI posted...

To set those expectations for the outcome of a boner joke is just... bad.

That wasn't the joke. The joke was "She recast Pietro".

That joke ONLY works because the audience knows he was Pietro from a different series of films.

Let me reframe this with a question - in all of Wandavision, how many times was the multiverse used as a plot-point, reference, or otherwise?

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Let me answer that with another question. Wanda's next appearance is going to be in a movie called Multiverse of Madness. Wouldn't a multiverse reveal in a post credit scene would have made perfect sense?

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And the joke doesn't only work with Peters because Darcy is the one who says the recast line and she certainly doesn't know about Peters being Quicksilver so it works just as well with any recast.

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Great finale! Great show! Bravo Disney+ Please note everybody there is two hidden scenes after the credits start rolling.

Now it's time for stupid questions from guffguy.

If Wanda trapped Agatha in the hex with the runes, but then she destroyed the hex, then where is Agatha? Is she still trapped?

Wanda hears her kids scream for help in the final post-credit scene....I'm guessing there probably isn't an answer for that, but aren't they gone? This kind of ties in with my previous question though. The hex, which was Wanda's bubble, is gone, right?

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Its definitely not a bad decision, as he filled the narrative purpose he was intended to (which was not a boner joke, he stops Vision in episode 5 and drives the conflict in episode 6). I would argue that (formally) tying him in to the X-Men universe would have been a bad decision as it is placing far too much expectation on the viewer of seeing those films, it would have been adding far too many plot elements to resolve effectively, and it raises questions about the importance of those films to the MCU. Would it mean that one needs to watch, for instance, X-Men Origins Wolverine to stay current? Its better to keep them separate, though well see what they do with the next Spider-Man on this topic.

Also, once again, it was clear from his first two appearances that it wasnt the same guy, theyre not alike even in name. Which is not to say that you cannot be disappointed with the reveal of who he actually was, but there was never any chance of it being the same one, it was just a wink to fans in the know, a fun bonus for knowing that stuff.

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guffguy89 posted...

If Wanda trapped Agatha in the hex with the runes, but then she destroyed the hex, then where is Agatha? Is she still trapped?

Wanda hears her kids scream for help in the final post-credit scene....I'm guessing there probably isn't an answer for that, but aren't they gone? This kind of ties in with my previous question though. The hex, which was Wanda's bubble, is gone, right?

I assume Agnes is still the friendly nosy neighbor in town despite the Hex being gone. More trapped in her own mine than trapped in the Hex. I wonder how the rest of the town feels about that after everything.

And the kids get erased only to return later in the comics aged up, so I'm assuming the MCU is taking a similar approach.

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Exactly, zero. The multiverse is not a plot point within Wandavision. It's not an element of the story at all. Why are we upset that something that isn't a part of the show wasn't a part of the show?

Let's talk about Far From Home for a second. Multiverse theory was a major plot point of that movie. But it was also completely bullshit.

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guffguy89 posted...

If Wanda trapped Agatha in the hex with the runes, but then she destroyed the hex, then where is Agatha? Is she still trapped?

I think she has her mind controlled to the friendly neighbor persona where she will just live in Westville like that.

Guessing we'll get some answers on the kids in Multiverse of Madness. Have a feeling we'll see Evan Peters again there too and if not I'll eat a sandwich.

Getting some big time phoenix vibes from her reading the Darkhold at the end. Is AoS considered cannon?

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