Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 369: Non-Fungible Tokenism

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This isn't goatsefaqs?

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The only reasons I had Tony all the way to block in the first place is, uh...well, his tendency to make a huge stink and make multiple posts about it for weeks afterwords when he finds out someone had him on ignore, and to start @ ing people about it...so yeah.

The only people whove blocked me (that I noticed) were Ulti, when he took a post to mean the opposite of what it said and got mad about something pointless, Rock, and you <_<

TotallyNotMI posted...

I remember a topic from a few years ago where he got pissed because multiple people did it in the same couple days.

So yeah, this didnt happen, youre thinking of when Rock blocked me back in like October and then lied about why, which added to my annoyance.

Like i said, I truly dont give a shit if people ignore me, what actually sucks is losing context in discussion topics.

It trips a gaslighting type feeling in me where I see someone say something and Im like wait, whatd I miss? and then I scroll back and actually look at post numbers and Im like well shit.


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Lightning Strikes posted...

...So setting internal B8 drama aside, as I know we have a couple of Dutch B8ers I was wondering if they (or anybody) had any thoughts on the elections over there? To my eyes Rutte seems to be the Teflon man of Dutch politics, so many scandals and a decade in power yet he actually increased his mandate.

i voted for the socialist party.

main takeaway for me is that FVD, the party of thierry baudet (a politician greatly admired by vlado, as he made clear in the conservative politics topic back in the day) gained six seats. as bad as trump is, he's never said anything that comes even close to the racist (and anti-semitic) vitriol that baudet has spouted (and you guys know how much i've bashed trump's racism in the past years, so that's saying something). yet a gazillion people voted for baudet anyway. jesus christ this country is a joke. it's absolutely fucking ridiculous how racist we are.

...and yeah, you're right in your estimation of rutte. he's been involved in several scandals and his handling of covid has been dreadful, yet his party has also gained seats. beats me.

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FFDragon posted...

when did the politics topic become about massively stretchy buttholes

I mean that seems like an apt description of the topic.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

So yeah, this didnt happen, youre thinking of when Rock blocked me back in like October and then lied about why, which added to my annoyance.

Like i said, I truly dont give a s*** if people ignore me, what actually sucks is losing context in discussion topics.

It trips a gaslighting type feeling in me where I see someone say something and Im like wait, whatd I miss? and then I scroll back and actually look at post numbers and Im like well s***.

I was talked about the user ing getting @ed lmao

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Tom Bombadil posted...

I'll probably be left in some sort of extreme left echo chamber eventually, but I'm trying to resist that temptation as well.

What's the downside to this? Like, oh no, you won't be able to see all the comments talking about how white supremacy isn't such a bad thing and that people should die if they can't pay for medical treatment. An echo chamber is only harmful if the points of view outside the echo chamber are worth considering. I dare someone in this topic to name a single conservative viewpoint that fits that criteria.


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TotallyNotMI posted...

I was talked about the user ing getting @ed lmao

lmao my bad, I didnt login to an alt to see that missed post until hed edited the @

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KamikazePotato posted...

What's the downside to this? Like, oh no, you won't be able to see all the comments talking about how white supremacy isn't such a bad thing and that people should die if they can't pay for medical treatment. An echo chamber is only harmful if the points of view outside the echo chamber are worth considering. I dare someone in this topic to name a single conservative viewpoint that fits that criteria.

Personally, I find it useful to know the arguments and positions of people you disagree with, especially when those people vote and sometimes win

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KamikazePotato posted...

I dare someone in this topic to name a single conservative viewpoint that fits that criteria.

I really want that daylight savings time bill to pass. They will probably try to tie some anti-abortion legislation to it or something.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Personally, I find it useful to know the arguments and positions of people you disagree with, especially when those people vote and sometimes win

This. There's nothing wrong with ignoring unpopular extreme fringe ideas, but ignoring ideas popular enough to influence mainstream thought just because you disagree with them will leave you completely unprepared to oppose them. You can't win just by saying the other side isn't worth listening to if there's a large audience that thinks otherwise.
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KamikazePotato posted...

I dare someone in this topic to name a single conservative viewpoint that fits that criteria.

Smaller government, lower taxes, free speech, supporting small businesses, off the top of my head. Most of that side has twisted or abandoned those ideas, but I think at their core they are decent (or at least worth-considering) ones. And I don't want to get suckered into a feedback loop cult if the next one comes from the left.

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Yeah maybe you guys are lucky enough to not have to consistently deal with people with conservative views in real life, but

1. I don't need to see more on the internet to understand them
2. They're not remotely hard to understand in the first place - 95% of the time a conservative viewpoint is about opposing whatever the Democrats want
3. There's not even any real benefit to understand their viewpoints because they never act in good faith and will change them on a dime to suit their current needs - listening to what they say will not help you advance your own policies

I think a lot of people here are still stuck in the fantasy of the conservative side being remotely worth giving the time of day. It is not.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

i voted for the socialist party.

main takeaway for me is that FVD, the party of thierry baudet (a politician greatly admired by vlado, as he made clear in the conservative politics topic back in the day) gained six seats. as bad as trump is, he's never said anything that comes even close to the racist (and anti-semitic) vitriol that baudet has spouted (and you guys know how much i've bashed trump's racism in the past years, so that's saying something). yet a gazillion people voted for baudet anyway. jesus christ this country is a joke. it's absolutely fucking ridiculous how racist we are.

...and yeah, you're right in your estimation of rutte. he's been involved in several scandals and his handling of covid has been dreadful, yet his party has also gained seats. beats me.

Sadly the rally round the flag effect is very real. All you have to do is appear to be trying to handling a crisis and people will vote for you in increased numbers. Even the UK, which had woeful pandemic handling from day one saw the Tories get a big early boost before they mercifully pissed it away with the Dominic Cummings scandal. The weirdest example though is definitely Ireland which changed government a few months in, so the party that was in charge early on in the pandemic gets all the credit and the party thats in charge now gets all the blame!

It is fortunate for the Democrats that Trump didnt take the virus seriously. If he had put in an even basic effort he may well have been reelected, even if he still botched it.

Anyway, on the bright side at least Wilders far right party lost seats, and Volt (a pan-European party, so run in all of Europe) got into a parliament for the first time. If they run here too I might give them a vote.

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Tom Bombadil posted...

Most of that side has twisted or abandoned those ideas,

Yeah that's the thing. Nothing you just mentioned is supported by conservatives anymore. Not consistently, anyway - they basically just pick whatever's closest to white supremacy and Owning The Libs and call it a day. You're conflating conservative 'policies' with conservative people, which is basically like saying a devout Christian is automatically going to support nonviolence and cooperation with their fellow man because the Bible said so.

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Not "automatically," but some do.

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Tom Bombadil posted...

free speech

This is not a Republican belief, they just pretend it is. Things that aren't actually free speech issues they insist are free speech issues, and actual free speech issues they are silent on.

Republicans have shifted their supposed free speech platform to "Anti cancel culture"

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KamikazePotato posted...

95% of the time a conservative viewpoint is about opposing whatever the Democrats want

OK, but why do so many people hate the Democrats so much that they automatically oppose anything the Dems might support? It's not a small group of people we can just ignore, it's around 45% of the US. Even if we could magically change the system to fix the built-in bias against the left, there would still be more of them than there are moderates or leftists. If you want the government to improve, isn't it worth figuring out why so many people think this way instead of just writing all of them off forever?
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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Republicans have shifted their supposed free speech platform to "Anti cancel culture"

As per usual for conservatives it's more like "cancel culture when it works for us but nothing for you"

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Well yes, as with most Republican idealogies they are complete hypocrites about it.

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Tom Bombadil posted...

Smaller government, lower taxes, free speech, supporting small businesses, off the top of my head. Most of that side has twisted or abandoned those ideas, but I think at their core they are decent (or at least worth-considering) ones. And I don't want to get suckered into a feedback loop cult if the next one comes from the left.

None of these except lower taxes are supported by American conservatism. There's an argument for supporting small businesses, but that's not exclusive. Liberals and leftists also tend to support small businesses but for different reasons.

TBH it's important to try to understand the conservative mindset most of the time it really isn't that deep. And the main thing is that it's very rarely worth the effort to engage. You don't really need the good faith kid gloves that often.

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Xeybozn posted...

OK, but why do so many people hate the Democrats so much that they automatically oppose anything the Dems might support?

Abortion.

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Not_an_Owl posted...

Abortion.

Not really. That divide only became a thing in the 80s. This goes back much further than that.

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Lightning Strikes posted...

Not really. That divide only became a thing in the 80s. This goes back much further than that.

Farther than that and you have Southern Democrats who were the racist ones

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there was a whole decade between the Civil Rights Movement and the 80's...
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NFUN posted...

there was a whole decade between the Civil Rights Movement and the 80's...

Its not like there was a snap and everyone switched parties.

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From wiki

In 1976, former Georgia governor Jimmy Carter won every Southern state except Oklahoma and Virginia in his successful campaign to win the Presidency as a Democrat. In 1980 Republican presidential nominee Ronald Reagan won every southern state except for Georgia, although Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina, North Carolina and Tennessee were all decided by less than 3%.[b]

Southern democrats were a thing all the way till 1980 if not longer

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masterplum posted...

From wiki

In 1976, former Georgia governor Jimmy Carter won every Southern state except Oklahoma and Virginia in his successful campaign to win the Presidency as a Democrat. In 1980 Republican presidential nominee Ronald Reagan won every southern state except for Georgia, although Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina, North Carolina and Tennessee were all decided by less than 3%.[b]

Southern democrats were a thing all the way till 1980 if not longer

Bill Clinton won Arkansas, Tennessee, and Louisiana in '96. It's not until the 2000s that the South really became completely unwinnable for Democrats. On a related note, the shift to the GOP in the Midwest is even more recent; there's a good argument that Trump was actually responsible for turning Ohio/Iowa from toss-ups to red and Wisconsin/Pennsylvania/Michigan from blue-leaning to toss-ups. This kind of stuff makes it really hard for me to accept the argument that the GOP only does so well because most places are full of backwards morons and always have been.
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As someone who lives in Michigan, I can safely confirm it's just as redneck as a lot of southern states.

People near me fly the Confederate flag, FFS.

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According to Dave Cullen the Covid scam has been so successful people who haven't already "woken up" to it will just be worrying about their finances by the time it's discovered.

This doesn't even remotely hold up under scrutiny.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

i voted for the socialist party.

main takeaway for me is that FVD, the party of thierry baudet (a politician greatly admired by vlado, as he made clear in the conservative politics topic back in the day) gained six seats. as bad as trump is, he's never said anything that comes even close to the racist (and anti-semitic) vitriol that baudet has spouted (and you guys know how much i've bashed trump's racism in the past years, so that's saying something). yet a gazillion people voted for baudet anyway. jesus christ this country is a joke. it's absolutely fucking ridiculous how racist we are.

...and yeah, you're right in your estimation of rutte. he's been involved in several scandals and his handling of covid has been dreadful, yet his party has also gained seats. beats me.

are the netherlands one of those countries where you vote for a party instead of an individual?

in the american system someone like that would be primaried out of office- is there a way to do that over there?

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TheRock1525 posted...

As someone who lives in Michigan, I can safely confirm it's just as redneck as a lot of southern states.

People near me fly the Confederate flag, FFS.

its really city (and sometimes larger suburbs) vs suburbs (sometimes the larger ones, and almost always the smaller ones). Every state has this issue. Hell even in places like Idaho, the counties with Boise I'm pretty sure was either really close to blue, or even went blue.

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Lightning Strikes posted...

Sadly the rally round the flag effect is very real. All you have to do is appear to be trying to handling a crisis and people will vote for you in increased numbers.

i think a lot of the rutte love is because he "relatively good." obviously, he did a far better job than trump at handling covid (it was almost impossible for him not to). but this led to people thinking he did an actual good job (as opposed to relatively) which uh... no. honestly don't know if rutte would have been as popular if the US had had a president who did a halfway decent job at handling covid.

Anyway, on the bright side at least Wilders far right party lost seats,

yup! it's very obvious that those seats just went to baudet so there hasn't actually been a decrease in xenophobia in my country but still nice to see.

and Volt (a pan-European party, so run in all of Europe) got into a parliament for the first time. If they run here too I might give them a vote.

don't know much about volt but from what i've seen, i don't like them. i'm not all that crazy about the EU (one of my few "conservative" opinions) and it seems like they're extremely pro-EU, so yeah. impressive how they came out of nowhere and immediately got a few seats, though.

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banananor posted...

are the netherlands one of those countries where you vote for a party instead of an individual?

in the american system someone like that would be primaried out of office- is there a way to do that over there?

no. you vote for an individual.

but FVD only had two seats and nobody gave a shit about the #2 guy so baudet got all the votes by default.

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Myself I feel like staying in the EU is probably better right now.
My favorite party got absolutely gutted tho.

Ad yeah jfc at the FVD votes. This country is filled with pigheaded oafs who would fit right in with Qanon, and probably already do.
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htaeD posted...

My favorite party got absolutely gutted tho.

groenlinks?

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That obvious eh
Used to vote for the Labor Party until everything went south for them.
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https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1372742642551906306

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direct action <3

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GuessMyUserName posted...

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1372742642551906306

Always punch nazis.

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2021/03/19/report-several-white-house-staffers-with-past-marijuana-use-asked-to-resign/

Gigantic oof

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It sounds like until it's legal on a federal level they can't really budge on that for positions that require security clearance?

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2021/03/19/report-several-white-house-staffers-with-past-marijuana-use-asked-to-resign/

Gigantic oof

Why the hell do people not lie about this sort of thing

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masterplum posted...

Why the hell do people not lie about this sort of thing

Ah I see you want liars in government lol

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masterplum posted...

Why the hell do people not lie about this sort of thing

I assume the "background checks" were security clearance related, so lying would get them banned from government work for life and could even be prosecuted as a felony. Why take that risk if you've been assured that past marijuana use would be ignored?
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I know multiple people with a security clearance who have done many drugs - hell I've done it WITH some of them. These things are all insanely stupid. I've been friends with a former military recruiter who blatantly told people to just lie if they had done drugs. It is a total farce.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

It sounds like until it's legal on a federal level they can't really budge on that for positions that require security clearance?

Yeah but is there a practical reason for it? Sounds like a bogus policy.

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masterplum posted...

Why the hell do people not lie about this sort of thing

As someone who has held a security clearance: Polygraphs.

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This is a joke. DACA is blatantly "illegal" too but that didn't stop Obama from doing it. The President apparently decides which laws to enforce and Biden is enforcing the one against marijuana use.

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https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/02/11/kamala-harris-marijuana-radio-int-orig-vstop-bdk.cnn

I wonder if Kamala has her clearance?

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/02/11/kamala-harris-marijuana-radio-int-orig-vstop-bdk.cnn

I wonder if Kamala has her clearance?

Tony stop being a joke. Staffers serve at the pleasure of the president this is a non story zzz

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