Poll of the Day > Is it racist to not date a woman based on skin color?

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GanonsSpirit posted...

I hope TC does a circumcision topic next. Wouldn't want him to miss any of the classics.

how much do you tip a Mohel?

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GanonsSpirit posted...

I hope TC does a circumcision topic next. Wouldn't want him to miss any of the classics.

We just had one on CE recently
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My ideal girl has one white boob, one black boob, a South American ass, an East Asian vulva and the thick hard areolas of a middle aged Mexican man.

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Categorically refusing to date a given race is racist. Generally not finding a certain race attractive is just having aesthetic preferences. There's a very fine line between the two, and a lot of people in the former camp will claim to be in the latter camp to avoid drawing attention to their racism, but you can legitimately never end up being attracted enough to somebody of a given race to date them.

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acesxhigh posted...

it's quite literally racism, yes. but I guess that proves not all racism is necessarily bad.

No
Zareth posted...

If that's the only reason, yes

No
papercup posted...

Yes, obviously

no
Mead posted...

Kinda but if you arent attracted to some ethnicities then that is just how you are I guess and you dont have to be in a relationship with anyone that you dont want to

No it's not, but you are kinda right because are attracted to whatever they are attracted to.

Blightzkrieg posted...

Men in this topic pretending like they get to pick out a woman lol

You settle for the leftovers of the black Chads and nothing more

Its true, but he shouldnt say it

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Blightzkrieg posted...

My ideal girl has one white boob, one black boob, a South American ass, an East Asian vulva and the thick hard areolas of a middle aged Mexican man.

I know you just joke a lot, but this shit is beautiful

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Sexual attraction is scarcely related to racism. I've met openly racist people that were dating people of a different race

It is not racist to prefer people of one skin color as attractive or unattractive so long as you are saying that's your personal preference and not acting like people of said skin color are universally attractive/unattractive because of said skin color. This is especially true if you can find someone attractive with said skin tone you deem 'unattractive' because of other features/facets about them that you DO find attractive (like personality).

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Arcturusisnow posted...

No

If you are 100% compatible with and attracted to a woman but won't date her purely because she's black, you are a racist, end of story

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Zareth posted...

If you are 100% compatible with and attracted to a woman but won't date her purely because she's black, you are a racist, end of story

Yeah but that's very specific. If someone simply isn't attracted to black, white or brown or whatever, it doesn't necessarily mean they're a racist

Zareth posted...

If you are 100% compatible with and attracted to a woman but won't date her purely because she's black, you are a racist, end of story

that is such a wild thing to even imagine

sad that there are actually people like that

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Jen0125 posted...

Is it racist if I prefer tan men

eh, white men can tan too. Its preference and I doubt any white man who cant tan is shrieking inside that you do not find them hawt lol.

so I wouldnt stress out too much

Zareth posted...

If you are 100% compatible with and attracted to a woman but won't date her purely because she's black, you are a racist, end of story

Does this actually happen?
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Happened a lot with slave owners in the 1800s if genetic testing is to be believed

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Blightzkrieg posted...

Happened a lot with slave owners in the 1800s if genetic testing is to be believed

We're talking about modern dating. That was rape anyway.
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Revelation34 posted...

We're talking about modern dating. That was rape anyway.

I made a whole paragraph explaining how actual white supremacist groups treat this stuff. You don't need to go back to slave days. Right now there's open racists dealing with blacks and even having children etc. That's why I didn't say the person in the OP is necessarily racist. It's pretty sketchy though if you can't find one single person of a whole race attractive, unless you live in some isolated homogenous place. But that doesn't mean that someone dating people of other races isn't racist.

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I tend to go for white girls. The paler the better.

BUT... all this means is that when you come across some caramel skinned beauty that you just have to approach and talk to... that shes a very special creature and you must close on that deal.

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MeteoricBurst posted...

I made a whole paragraph explaining how actual white supremacist groups treat this stuff. You don't need to go back to slave days. Right now there's open racists dealing with blacks and even having children etc. That's why I didn't say the person in the OP is necessarily racist. It's pretty sketchy though if you can't find one single person of a whole race attractive, unless you live in some isolated homogenous place. But that doesn't mean that someone dating people of other races isn't racist.

Read the post below yours fair your best example.

Anyway people can have their preferences. It took me far longer than it should have to realize what races I was into more than others.
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I dont mind people outside of my race but Id prefer they be American so we have similar backgrounds/beliefs/upbringing.

If we get along and shes mildly attractive thats all i need.

In the most literal sense, yes.

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teddy241 posted...

I dont mind people outside of my race but Id prefer they be American so we have similar backgrounds/beliefs/upbringing.

If we get along and shes mildly attractive thats all i need.

you know people can have completely different backgrounds/beliefs/upbringings in the same country, right?
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Sycophant posted...

Is it racist to not date a woman based on skin color?

It is racist to single anyone out over skin colour yes. However dating certain races is a preference for some for many reasons. No different than preferring a certain hair or eye colour.


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Krazy_Kirby posted...

you know people can have completely different backgrounds/beliefs/upbringings in the same country, right?

yeah but i wouldnt narrow it down to just my home town/state lol

wwinterj25 posted...

It is racist to single anyone out over skin colour yes. However dating certain races is a preference for some for many reasons. No different than preferring a certain hair or eye colour.

In this case no. It would be racist if you wouldn't date somebody because of their skin color.
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teddy241 posted...

I dont mind people outside of my race but Id prefer they be American so we have similar backgrounds/beliefs/upbringing.

That's not race, that's nationality you're after. Any race can be basically any nationality.
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Revelation34 posted...

It would be racist if you wouldn't date somebody because of their skin color.

I'm happy you agree with what I posted.


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wwinterj25 posted...

I'm happy you agree with what I posted.

The thread title has the word "not" in it.
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Revelation34 posted...

The thread title has the word "not" in it.

I'm happy you can read just the topic title. Now practice and read the op.

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Not being interested in a person due to the color of their skin isn't racist. Some people like girls with big boobs some small boobs. Doesn't mean they hate the opposite kind, they just aren't attracted to it. Some people like short girls other taller girls. Doesn't mean they hate the opposite kind. Some are attracted to white girls some to black some to asian, etc, etc. Doesn't mean you hate the others just not something you are attracted to. Like red heads, blondes, black hair, and on and on and on.

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Decoy77 posted...

Not being interested in a person due to the color of their skin isn't racist. Some people like girls with big boobs some small boobs. Doesn't mean they hate the opposite kind, they just aren't attracted to it. Some people like short girls other taller girls. Doesn't mean they hate the opposite kind. Some are attracted to white girls some to black some to asian, etc, etc. Doesn't mean you hate the others just not something you are attracted to. Like red heads, blondes, black hair, and on and on and on.

I think the thing that's throwing people for a loop is the difference between 'I do not find this trait personally attractive' and 'this person is unattractive'. Especially since it's possible to find someone physically unattractive in one aspect but either not have it be a major degree of unattractiveness to the point where they still wouldn't want to be with that person. Plus remember this isn't consistent between the sexes. I.E. someone may find the phenotype of an asian woman attractive but the phenotype of an asian man unattractive in whatever context 'attractive' could be used in.

Ultimately I think the only real answer would be that there just isn't enough information in the question and the question itself is invalid because it makes multiple assumptions. It's effectively asking you to assume all the traits about an entire race hold true for a specific individual, rate that individuals appeal as a mate based entirely on physical attributes, then heavily skews any negative responses towards an assumption of racism.

For example, when it comes to Japanese people there's a MASSIVE amount of variety for both sexes. What is actually 'consistent' for a 'Japanese' person? Hair? Not all of them have straight, black, hair even though it is the dominate kind and there's a ton of varieties of things one can do with their hair. Skin tone? There's a variety of those even if they don't reach towards the darker end of the spectrum. Do I assume a Japanese woman has a small chest? A Japanese man is not muscular? That MIGHT be true on the average but no sane person would question for a second that exceptions exist.

The more I think about it the problem is that the question itself forces you to adopt a mindset dominated by assumptions made about a people group that don't hold true individually then judge an individual by those same assumptions (which may or may not hold true). If I said 'I wouldn't date an African-American man' I have to make MULTIPLE assumptions about what constitutes an 'African American' to answer either in the positive or negative.

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now ask if not dating a trans person is transphobic and watch people flip

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Wanded posted...

now ask if not dating a trans person is transphobic and watch people flip

I mean, that assumes the reason a person is dating, assumes that the reason they rejected is transphobia, and assumes that a particular mindset that is not universal is the CORRECT mindset. If you have a woman who is dating specifically because she wants to settle down and start a family only to find out that the person she's dating is not only not able to provide that but isn't even a man, I wouldn't blame her for at least being extremely upset as a result. I can also see a partner seeing it as a matter of trust and secrets and some people will definitely feel tricked no matter WHAT the outcome...

And it's going to get a lot more complicated in the future. At some point what we currently define as 'trans' may be seen as abhorrent and archaic because someone wishing to transition can simply transfer their mind to a new body; or we'll become increasingly digitalized to the point where changing your entire body is as simple as creating a new character in a video game, or become so cyber/robotic that changing your sex is little different than changing out a chasse on a car. I mean, can you imagine how different life will be once the only thing stopping you from being a Miqo'te for all practical intents and purposes is adjusting a slider? Or transitioning is just a matter of uploading your mind into a new body or scheduling an appointment at your local autobody shop? The car mechanics of today becoming the gender transition surgeons of tomorrow...

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Making a definitive statement "I could never be attracted to a (insert trait) person" is much stronger than just a "preference."

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Unbridled9 posted...

I mean, that assumes the reason a person is dating, assumes that the reason they rejected is transphobia, and assumes that a particular mindset that is not universal is the CORRECT mindset. If you have a woman who is dating specifically because she wants to settle down and start a family only to find out that the person she's dating is not only not able to provide that but isn't even a man, I wouldn't blame her for at least being extremely upset as a result. I can also see a partner seeing it as a matter of trust and secrets and some people will definitely feel tricked no matter WHAT the outcome...

And it's going to get a lot more complicated in the future. At some point what we currently define as 'trans' may be seen as abhorrent and archaic because someone wishing to transition can simply transfer their mind to a new body; or we'll become increasingly digitalized to the point where changing your entire body is as simple as creating a new character in a video game, or become so cyber/robotic that changing your sex is little different than changing out a chasse on a car. I mean, can you imagine how different life will be once the only thing stopping you from being a Miqo'te for all practical intents and purposes is adjusting a slider? Or transitioning is just a matter of uploading your mind into a new body or scheduling an appointment at your local autobody shop? The car mechanics of today becoming the gender transition surgeons of tomorrow...

adoption is a thing


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Wanded posted...

adoption is a thing

Yes. But not every family wants to adopt. Feel free to chalk it up to us being big, dumb, stupid apes but propagating the bloodline and passing on our genes is important to us as a species.

Options exist, such as adoption or a surrogate or something, but not everyone is going to be comfortable watching their SO have sex with someone else to have a child or will treat an adopted child like they're their own. Just because something is POSSIBLE doesn't mean it's ideal, will work, etc.

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Unbridled9 posted...

Yes. But not every family wants to adopt. Feel free to chalk it up to us being big, dumb, stupid apes but propagating the bloodline and passing on our genes is important to us as a species.

Options exist, such as adoption or a surrogate or something, but not everyone is going to be comfortable watching their SO have sex with someone else to have a child or will treat an adopted child like they're their own. Just because something is POSSIBLE doesn't mean it's ideal, will work, etc.

you can surrogate through a medical process
with time it will probably be possible to create a baby from 2 males or 2 females, definitely before what you were talking about, what then

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Wanded posted...

now ask if not dating a trans person is transphobic and watch people flip

I already made a topic on this on ce and the majority of people said it was not transphobic it was like a 90% to 10% difference


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I think the answer to this topic though is simpler than we think.

Someone mentioned it earlier and it's that a lot of people make absolute statements about who they will date but when it comes down to it, if you fall for somebody within the category of people who you said you would never date or sleep with, chances are you'll change your mind.

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Unbridled9 posted...

not everyone is going to be comfortable watching their SO have sex with someone else to have a child

And that's probably why most people don't approach surrogacy in this way

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Wanded posted...

you can surrogate through a medical process
with time it will probably be possible to create a baby from 2 males or 2 females, definitely before what you were talking about, what then

Who can say what the future holds? We're already seeing that ones online identity is becoming more and more 'real', artificial body parts are becoming increasingly capable, and who knows what else will happen in the future? I don't know what will happen or how people will act and/or react. There's so many moral issues and questions that I can't even begin to speculate on. Like if it's morally acceptable to modify an unborn being, effectively screening out 'undesirable' traits in favor of desirable ones. I'm not going to pretend like I can fully grasp what sort of issues might arise when we become capable of doing what you are suggesting.

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Unbridled9 posted...

And it's going to get a lot more complicated in the future. At some point what we currently define as 'trans' may be seen as abhorrent and archaic because someone wishing to transition can simply transfer their mind to a new body; or we'll become increasingly digitalized to the point where changing your entire body is as simple as creating a new character in a video game, or become so cyber/robotic that changing your sex is little different than changing out a chasse on a car. I mean, can you imagine how different life will be once the only thing stopping you from being a Miqo'te for all practical intents and purposes is adjusting a slider? Or transitioning is just a matter of uploading your mind into a new body or scheduling an appointment at your local autobody shop? The car mechanics of today becoming the gender transition surgeons of tomorrow...

Go-go Gadget transition!

Wowsers!

deoxxys posted...

I already made a topic on this on ce and the majority of people said it was not transphobic it was like a 90% to 10% difference

yeah but the point is to contrast both questions on the same people and hear them justify answers side by side, most libs say yes to ops question and no to my question claiming it's different, when i ask them why they either go i dunno or make olympic gold medal mental gymnastics to justify it, the kids argument has some merit, but even if i concede it they're pretty much still saying people who don't want kids and don't wanna date trans are transphobic, in other words they're answer isn't "no" but actually "yes, with the exception of".


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Wanded posted...

yeah but the point is to contrast both questions on the same people and hear them justify answers side by side, most libs say yes to ops question and no to my question claiming it's different, when i ask them why they either go i dunno or make olympic gold medal mental gymnastics to justify it, the kids argument has some merit, but even if i concede it they're pretty much still saying people who don't want kids and don't wanna date trans are transphobic, in other words they're answer isn't "no" but actually "yes, with the exception of".

I'm saying that it's way more complicated than what a simple 'yes/no' answer could provide. If I had to pick I'd say 'no' but even then that's more me saying 'there's not enough info' than 'it's not transphobic'.

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Not sure but I have dated women who were of different ethnicity and it's not much different than dating women of your own ethnicity. It all comes down to what type of person the woman is.

I dated a Black woman in college but she received a job offer she couldn't refuse and she took it and I understood that. We kept in touch for a while then we sorted drifted. haven't talked to her in quite some time but it was fun while it lasted.

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MeUs posted...

Dear god, you really just justified racism by comparing skin color to body modification. That's brilliant. Now I know what to tag your racist ass as.

wolfy is one of the kindest and most reasonable people. Anyone who talks shit about him is scum.

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That post shouldn't have been deleted. I saw it before it was and it was completely right.
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