Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 385: Voting Rights Axed

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The us started caring about the world beyond the coasts once they reached the pacific. Way before ww2.

KamikazePotato posted...

I think the most common type of American is probably Fiscally Liberal, Socially Conservative. Lots and lots of people want better healthcare and also think that gay people are icky. Sadly, the culture wars always matter more than the economic wars or the class wars or the wars wars.

I don't think that's right, especially when gay marriage is experiencing record high approval ratings. The issue is that most Americans want better Healthcare, but also most Americans are (were? I haven't checked in a while) happy with their current health insurance. It's why Obamacare, despite being a positive for Americans, got such a huge backlash in the midterms.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/327686/americans-satisfaction-health-costs-new-high.aspx

Shit, it's actually at a record high.

TheRock1525 posted...

https://news.gallup.com/poll/327686/americans-satisfaction-health-costs-new-high.aspx

Shit, it's actually at a record high.

Maybe it's because more people are on Medicaid and Medicare than ever before?

67% of Americans can kiss my ass

Everyone is dumb, including everyone in government, and utopia is unachievable forever.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Everyone is dumb, including everyone in government, and utopia is unachievable forever.

correct

Well, maybe Biden should use the Trump strategy of taking credit. Announce that he fixed the healthcare system which is why 67% of people are happy with it. If it were Trump, he would almost definitely be taking credit.

That said though.....the most expensive healthcare in the world by a mile is satisfactory to 67% of people? What?!?

I still think Medicare for all who want it is achievable in the next decade

masterplum posted...

I still think Medicare for all who want it is achievable in the next decade

Not with Republicans about to dominate the midterms and then legislate fair elections out of existence at the state level.

We still have a fairly long time till mid terms. If vaccine mandates is no longer an issue Im not convinced democrats are getting to get housed.

Georgia going all-in on anti-vax to a degree I actually wasn't prepared for (but should have been): Proposing legislation to exempt dogs and cats from rabies vaccinations if their vet deems it "medically unnecessary".

https://www.wrdw.com/2022/02/11/dogs-could-be-exempt-rabies-vaccine-under-new-proposed-bill/

going right for the disease with the highest fatality rate

Democrats are going to get destroyed at the midterms pretty much no matter what they do. They are perceived as the greater of 2 evils right now. And they could easily be the lesser of 2 evils again in 2024. The voters are maintaining a delicate balancing act to stop either party from getting too much power.

The reason people are satisfied with their healthcare is because of literal propaganda telling them its the best they could possibly get.

The reason people with shitty private insurance are scared of Medicare for all is because they are repeatedly told the only alternative is year long waits, rationed medicine, and death panels.

People who acknowledge and agree with a middle ground solution reinforce that belief, because if Medicare for All is really better, why would you have to reassure me my current insurance wont be affected?

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

The reason people are satisfied with their healthcare is because of literal propaganda telling them its the best they could possibly get.

The reason people with shitty private insurance are scared of Medicare for all is because they are repeatedly told the only alternative is year long waits, rationed medicine, and death panels.

People who acknowledge and agree with a middle ground solution reinforce that belief, because if Medicare for All is really better, why would you have to reassure me my current insurance wont be affected?

I think that's definitely part of it but I think the main issue is worse. I think the reason the majority are satisfied is because they're selfish. They don't need it or aren't using it or don't see the effects of the system on the disadvantaged. So they hear stuff and go "who cares it doesn't affect me mine is fine they're making it up". And then when it does affect them they go "how would I have known?!?!"

Yes hello I'm here for the babies.

masterplum posted...

We still have a fairly long time till mid terms. If vaccine mandates is no longer an issue Im not convinced democrats are getting to get housed.

Mask and vaccine mandates are a dangerous thing to build your strategy around - they're unpopular while in effect but meaningfully reduce the number of cases and deaths caused by COVID. If the mandates are dropped and case numbers go up, Republicans can claim Biden (and therefore all Democrats) are mismanaging the pandemic and make a case that they can do better if elected. If the mandates remain in effect Republicans get to base their midterm strategy around opposing the mandates and win voters that way.

Honestly I don't see any way Dems hold on to the Senate. They might hold on to the House, but it'll be by a very slim margin if they do. And you can kiss goodbye just about every state legislature and governor's mansion that's in an even slightly purple state. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.

red sox 777 posted...

That said though.....the most expensive healthcare in the world by a mile is satisfactory to 67% of people? What?!?

They don't know any different. I can't be bothered to look, but aren't there a lot of statistics around how a LARGE part of the American population has never lived outside their home state?

Not_an_Owl posted...

Honestly I don't see any way Dems hold on to the Senate. They might hold on to the House, but it'll be by a very slim margin if they do.

It's actually the complete opposite: they have a slim ability to hold or maybe even increase their margin the Senate as it's a more favorable map to them and there's a few blue state GOP senate seats they have a good chance of picking up.

The House is gone. Thanks to gerrymandering and the general layout of the country, the Dems need to be at least +5 in generic polling to keep the House.

Republicans are currently +4.

It's gonna be an absolute bloodbath in the House. Like 40+ seat change. There's nothing the Dems can run on right now, even if they did have some basic legislative accomplishments. People are pissed that things cost more, and there's very few options to fix it. People are pissed gas is so high, and there's very few options to fix that. People want schools open without any mandates, sick kids and faculty be damned.

I need to correct myself: they're +2. Still incredibly bad for the Dems at midterms.

Yeah I agree with Rock. The senate is defendable and maybe possible to pick up a single seat in, which could be a big deal - but the house race is over, as far as I'm concerned. Dems defending the house is just not realistic. I consider R+15 in the house to be fairly optimistic - I'm expecting more like R+30. I don't think it'll be as bad as 2010 (which was like R+60 or something if I recall correctly) but it's going to be really, really bad.

And as mentioned the bigger issue is the state elections where the Republicans are going to take over more states governments and then use it to pass more voting restrictions to lock in their majority in the future.

I may be uninformed, but what specific "voting restrictions" are they trying to pass, outside of the usual gerrymandering bullshittery that has been going on for decades?

the big one is clamping down on absentee and mail-in voting

Clamping down how though? Seems like a poorly implemented absentee/mail-in process could easily be rife with fraud, are they trying to get rid of it entirely, or make it more secure?

I remember people were raising a big stink about Republicans trying to put in a requirement for having photo ID to vote, but pretty much every democracy in the world has that requirement already, and the US is the odd one out in just letting people show up

BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

I remember people were raising a big stink about Republicans trying to put in a requirement for having photo ID to vote, but pretty much every democracy in the world has that requirement already, and the US is the odd one out in just letting people show up

You're not required to bring an ID to vote in the UK unless you live in Northern Ireland.

Australia? Nope. No photo id required. They're only asked three questions.

New Zealand? You guessed it. No id required.

so the majority of five eyes doesn't then

Countries that require ID:

Argentina
Brazil
Canada
France
Finland
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
India
Israel
Italy
Mexico
Namibia
Netherlands
Norway
Sweden
Switzerland
Northern Ireland
14 US States

Countries that don't:
Australia
New Zealand
The rest of the UK
36 US States

TIL that most of the first world countries are "crumbling democracies" because they require people show valid ID to participate in elections

Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_identification_laws

Man this is why we should have done monthly pandemic checks

The Democrats need to literally bribe people to vote for them

Paratroopa1 posted...

Yeah I agree with Rock. The senate is defendable and maybe possible to pick up a single seat in, which could be a big deal - but the house race is over, as far as I'm concerned. Dems defending the house is just not realistic. I consider R+15 in the house to be fairly optimistic - I'm expecting more like R+30. I don't think it'll be as bad as 2010 (which was like R+60 or something if I recall correctly) but it's going to be really, really bad.

Have you been following redistricting? Dems could actually gain seats from gerrymandering

masterplum posted...

Have you been following redistricting? Dems could actually gain seats from gerrymandering

It's not the redistricting that's gonna hurt the Dems, it's being the less popular party.

Gerrymandering in favor of Rs would actually backfire in a true landslide because the gerrymandering prefers concentrating D voters into a smaller number of deep blue districts which would be resistant to a landslide while light blue districts would flip.

masterplum posted...

Have you been following redistricting? Dems could actually gain seats from gerrymandering

I've been following it more closely than you have, because redistricting isn't going the Dems' way currently. Pickups in NY, NJ, and IL (some of these may be litigated) are being offset by losses elsewhere; the 538 tracker says that Dems have gained seats but that's super misleading due to the precise nature of where those gains are because there are a lot of tossup or light red districts being shored up R that are going to push Ds out after making some gains in 2020. If the NY/NJ/IL maps hold up then I think ultimately it's going to be a wash for the two parties - which means the more important factor will take over, which is that it's a midterm with the democrats in control where dem voters aren't motivated and gop voters are pissed about CRT or whatever. R+30-R+40 isn't really a sky-is-falling prediction here, it's the realistic expectation based on history.

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1494841185306693632

Today I learned AOC is white.

the 2nd one might just be even worse

jesus as a Canadian, all the NYT's inflammatory false reporting on Ottawa really opens your eyes to how absolute garbage American foreign reporting is

spoilers domestic reporting is often worse

this is fine

https://twitter.com/dananessel/status/1494833301110116355

What the actual fuck.

Why?

Republicans want full control over a person's body, period. They do not want free will, they do not want free choice.

This is obvious.

To a Republican, a woman's sole purpose it to pop out and care for children. That's all.

So if you arent married you can have and use contraceptives?

What if you are married but having an affair? Is it ok then?

So how would that work in the case of a vasectomy? Does that count as contraception to them?

Griswold v Connecticut is extremely important beyond just contraception access (which is an insane thing to ban); its where the Supreme Court recognized that the Constitution implies a right to privacy.

Maniac64 posted...

So if you arent married you can have and use contraceptives?

What if you are married but having an affair? Is it ok then?

Shhh. That's called "nuance," and they don't think that far.

https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1494849704923967491

Let Russia invade Ukraine while we invade Canada.

Makes sense.

TheRock1525 posted...

https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1494849704923967491

Let Russia invade Ukraine while we invade Canada.

Makes sense.

The scary part is that Owens's whole focus is on whatever grifting possibilities best present themselves.

Which means a large number of Republicans legit want a military dictatorship, or else she wouldn't be grifting in that direction.

StealThisSheen posted...

The scary part is that Owens's whole focus is on whatever grifting possibilities best present themselves.

Which means a large number of Republicans legit want a military dictatorship, or else she wouldn't be grifting in that direction.

I mean a decent number of far left liberals would have preferred a bernie sanders dictatorship if they had been given a chance. Desire for dictatorship shows up everywhere. Republicans just have congress people insane enough to actually think its a good idea