Board 8 > Dota 2 Mafia 2 Topic 1 - A Moba Mafia of Moderate Mayhem

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htaeD posted...

It locks him into a story from which he cant walk back out of. Admittedly I am trying to balance how much I want to know with how much I'd want scum to know if kirby is town

The story is what? A create your own adventure where Kirby's role is either worthless or worthwhile? What is he locked into?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

You spent a day as Scum hounding a Town Red for posts he made - how do you compare that Red with this current one?

I don't think there's enough data being so early into day 1 for this to have much value. Red was hounded for specific things when I was scum, not anything general about his posting style.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I absolutely hated SBell's first post, but the others haven't been as offensive.

Since when are you so easily offend-able?

The question further is whether those specific things, were they to occur again, would necessarily even be town tells. Who knows. I would be more interested to hear why you think red is scummy here beyond his thoughts on hosting. He has had other posts!

Lopen posted...

Do you think town wasting scans on you is more likely than scum nightkilling you if you remained unclaimed? If so, why?

Oh we are not going down this rabbit hole again

I once again refer to Nickelodeon Mafia for this whole senseless argument again.

I didn't follow nickelodeon mafia please elaborate for me

Lopen posted...

The story is what? A create your own adventure where Kirby's role is either worthless or worthwhile? What is he locked into?

Both explanations sounded plausible to me and I dont know if it would be worth it to find out.
Granted I think one is more plausible. And on second thought I am slightlt concerned that he would even have a 2nd story.....

changmas posted...

ninja'd but

i actually like this less than there actually just being two conventional millers. i'm sure kirby will explain ~in due time~ though

eh, my immediate thought is that the actual texture to the claim makes it more likely to be real. could be a hasty revision to cover his butt but i don't feel it, at any rate it doesn't seem that scummy a reaction to me

htaeD posted...

Both explanations sounded plausible to me and I dont know if it would be worth it to find out.
Granted I think one is more plausible. And on second thought I am slightlt concerned that he would even have a 2nd story.....

I mean both explanations sound plausible sure

But when taken together they cover so broad a scope that they don't actually lock him into anything at all. You do realize this don't you?

Hbthebattle posted...

Hold on, why would specifically not having a modifier make you suspicious in a role madness game? The last one had multiple roles that were "just someone else's role but better".

It would've seemed really odd to me for there to be named Miller with powers and also named Miller with no powers in the same setup. Two people with the Miller modifier, but one has powers and the other doesn't? That just seems off to me.

Kirby321 posted...

It would've seemed really odd to me for there to be named Miller with powers and also named Miller with no powers in the same setup. Two people with the Miller modifier, but one has powers and the other doesn't? That just seems off to me.

In a game where we already know that there are modifiers that can be found in the game outside of peoples made roles you'd think Plain Miller and Advanced Miller in the same game is off?

Lopen posted...

I didn't follow nickelodeon mafia please elaborate for me

The argument for Lea was that it would cause more active harm to town than the slight chance it would hurt scum.

Granted, with Untargetable, that covers a lot more town and scum roles that could potentially get messed up.

Miller is a lot more narrow in comparison, but it's still a role that hurts town more than it does scum.

Anyway, I see Lopen is grilling Death on minutia. Is anyone else getting Kingmaker Lopen vibes from this?

Lopen posted...

I mean both explanations sound plausible sure

But when taken together they cover so broad a scope that they don't actually lock him into anything at all. You do realize this don't you?

Not at first I confess. The things he did exclude were already soft excluded too. Still dont know if its a good idea to find out....

I want to ask him why not narrow thingsvdown even as a cover story. But I can already imagine the answer.

Obellisk posted...

In a game where we already know that there are modifiers that can be found in the game outside of peoples made roles you'd think Plain Miller and Advanced Miller in the same game is off?

Well, yeah. Plain Miller is just a lame ass Vanilla. And in a role madness game? That just seems like a cruel move.

Kirby321 posted...

It would've seemed really odd to me for there to be named Miller with powers and also named Miller with no powers in the same setup. Two people with the Miller modifier, but one has powers and the other doesn't? That just seems off to me.

Yeah but 1: it's role madness and 2: items exist. I just don't see it as a big enough difference to warrant a vote in this environment.

Hmm... Fair point. I forgot that the item shop exists.

catching up but finding it hard to keep track of people, i'll probably have to go back and take notes

i'm kind of liking sultan more though since his opening?

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And he was scum that game, too, right?

Sublime. We have our first scum of the game.

Kirby321 posted...

Anyway, I see Lopen is grilling Death on minutia. Is anyone else getting Kingmaker Lopen vibes from this?

You consider this a defining aspect of Kingmaker Lopen? Why?

Kirby321 posted...

Hmm... Fair point. I forgot that the item shop exists.

Now that's a little odd, because...

Kirby321 posted...

I am effectively a Miller, but with a small quirk that has nothing to do with my item. Nonetheless, I will scan guilty to scanning roles. This is my claim and I am not retracting it.

You did acknowledge items exist here. I can't help but be suspicious that you forgot.

Also how the heck is what I'm grilling death on "minutia"?

I think his reactions sound insincere. If that's "minutia" what is a relevant point to grill on in your estimation?

Obellisk posted...

Since when are you so easily offend-able?

Obellisk posted...

A light start, this is nice. I was rather worried I'd have to walk into a page and a half.

A miller claim... meh, thanks for that.
Sultan is sultaning.
Lea doing a thing
Lopen doing a thing
Ulti doing a a thing
Welcome back Poppy.

Narrating like that is typically a Scummove.

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*blushes*

Hbthebattle 9/6/2022 11:14:44 AM
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undefined posted...

Hmm... Fair point. I forgot that the item shop exists.

Now that's a little odd, because...

undefined posted...

I am effectively a Miller, but with a small quirk that has nothing to do with my item. Nonetheless, I will scan guilty to scanning roles. This is my claim and I am not retracting it.

You did acknowledge items exist here. I can't help but be suspicious that you forgot.

Not to mention I said the same thing and he didn't bring up forgetting about non-role modifiers just a few minutes prior:

Kirby321 9/6/2022 11:08:05 AM
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undefined posted...

In a game where we already know that there are modifiers that can be found in the game outside of peoples made roles you'd think Plain Miller and Advanced Miller in the same game is off?

Well, yeah. Plain Miller is just a lame ass Vanilla. And in a role madness game? That just seems like a cruel move.

It's reactions (plural) now is it, lopen?

That copy-pasta got all messed up. But pretty Much, Kirby doesn't acknowledge known things to me, brings them up when specifically prompted, however knew about them as HB points out.

Just a lot of talking out of both sides of his mouth.

Wow what a catch you guys, Kirby care to exsplain this?

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Looks like Ctes is fishing for something here

doesn't look like fishing at all to me? looks like he's questioning lea backing down on voting kirby which i think is towny

htaeD posted...

It's reactions (plural) now is it, lopen?

Yes. It started as one but your reactions to my grilling are forking into more reactions I don't like. Hence the so called grilling.

Hbthebattle posted...

Now that's a little odd, because...

You did acknowledge items exist here. I can't help but be suspicious that you forgot.

The item shop. Meaning you can get more items if you use yours.

... Unless y'all's items aren't one-use like mine?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Narrating like that is typically a Scummove.

Oh. ok. Well here it was just an exclamation as I was pleased my delay in entry did lead to playing catch-up.

But as you know Han, i'm always appreciative to find myself in your opening post in a game.

PoppyTheNinja posted...

doesn't look like fishing at all to me? looks like he's questioning lea backing down on voting kirby which i think is towny

Does it though? Looks like he wants more information needed based on her claim. I could be looking at it wrong but it definitely is like give me all the info when id she does have some other variation of a miller with an additional power she is being vague for a reason

Obellisk posted...

That copy-pasta got all messed up. But pretty Much, Kirby doesn't acknowledge known things to me, brings them up when specifically prompted, however knew about them as HB points out.

I don't think I understand your point. I figured "peoples made roles" was a typo but didn't think it was important enough to make a difference. Really, that entire sentence didn't make any sense to me, so I just focused on the last part about Plain Miller vs. Advanced Miller.

Kirby321 posted...

The item shop. Meaning you can get more items if you use yours.

... Unless y'all's items aren't one-use like mine?

Dont even ask that what the hell

Obellisk posted...

Oh. ok. Well here it was just an exclamation as I was pleased my delay in entry did lead to playing catch-up.

But as you know Han, i'm always appreciative to find myself in your opening post in a game.

"Wow, I can't believe they shot Ctes last night. He did nothing yesterday" is the sort of opening D2 post that has the flavor I am describing, here.

Lopen posted...

I don't think there's enough data being so early into day 1 for this to have much value. Red was hounded for specific things when I was scum, not anything general about his posting style.

Why did it take you so long to come up with this answer when you were active during the time?

Lea posted...

NGL I thought me claiming ninja would get more attention

Honestly pretty weird townpower yeah. But I thought that was a joke/example at first..

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Sure, and I did think you looked fine when you wanted to same time too, but it still doesn't answer why you changed your mind now when Kirby already made it clear last night that he was not just plain miller. He literally gave no new information about this today.

Kirby321 posted...

I don't think I understand your point. I figured "peoples made roles" was a typo but didn't think it was important enough to make a difference. Really, that entire sentence didn't make any sense to me, so I just focused on the last part about Plain Miller vs. Advanced Miller.

What did you assume the typo was?

"modifiers outside of peoples made roles" would imply (in my mind, anyway) to the item shop.

So you know modifiers exist because you know items exist.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Why did it take you so long to come up with this answer when you were active during the time?

I was more interested in other things at the moment. You were claiming you weren't going to be around so I found no particular urgency to reply to you.

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I didn't even see it.

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Oh that was legit? I thought you were using it as an example.

Hmm... I hesitate on commenting on it. I don't want to give away more info than needed, but if your claim is Miller Ninja, I'll believe it.

htaeD posted...

Honestly pretty weird townpower yeah. But I thought that was a joke/example at first..

2nd this

Thought it was a joke/example as well

Also "so long to reply" to Han is about 15 minutes. I find that interesting.