Board 8 > Eff 2021 Mafia: Topic 5 - Starting The New Year Off With A Little Coup

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BCT, Corrik wants to lynch Ben and Scare. Does this change your thoughts at all?

htaeD posted...

BCT what do you think gut means? And slips?

Gut is gut. Just you inner feelings. Slips are gaffes by scum that imply they're scum. I've made a few mistakes, but I'm town. My flip will prove that and confirm MZero and Death as scum.

TotallyNotMI posted...

BCT, Corrik wants to lynch Ben and Scare. Does this change your thoughts at all?

Bussing, yes?

BlueCrystalTear posted...

My flip will prove that and confirm MZero and Death as scum.

How exactly does that work? Do you think town are never wrong or something?

Ben I have questions.

1. Did you beleive scare's claim and not isquens?

2. Your fire proof was not a scan correct? Or if it was both a scan and fire proof when can the scn be used?

3. What happens now that the arsonist is dead are you basically a vanilla? Or do you think their is more fire somewhere?

Unusual way to see the game.
I do find it an adorable viewpoint if its true, though I would have thought you'd dislike scum too much to talk about them and us as a whole that way.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

BCT question can you double vote everyday or is it limited?

No limit aside from the "ten minutes before deadline" thing.

MZero posted...

BCT won an entire game by playing up to his newbiness. He's difnitely capable of feigning ignorance

I also posted a lot on the scum board and asked for help with wording. Have I done that here? No. Because I'm not in the scum chat because I'm not scum!

MZero posted...

BlueCrystalTear posted...
My flip will prove that and confirm MZero and Death as scum.

How exactly does that work? Do you think town are never wrong or something?

This. So I'm scum for getting isquen wrong thinking he was 3rd party and not town? Every town player on isquen is also scum?

MZero posted...

How exactly does that work? Do you think town are never wrong or something?

You're solely focused on me. You are scum trying to push an easy mislynch. You say you know you are right, but you are not. You look terrible right now because you're doing nothing helpful.

Drop it and actually try to hunt scum.

I also posted a lot on the scum board and asked for help with wording. Have I done that here? No. Because I'm not in the scum chat because I'm not scum!

BCT I love ya but you realize we cant verify any of that, right?

Okay then what about me, BCT?
Have I only focused on you?

Obellisk posted...

BCT being do adamant that TWO 3rd parties can't exist just further fuels my theory.

I meant two anti-town third parties. Especially given how red could have killed three or more people with his power. That's a lot.

Any other third party would have a separate win condition but would still be town. Like that one time Kirby had to guess scum every night or he died and won with town if alive.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

You're solely focused on me. You are scum trying to push an easy mislynch. You say you know you are right, but you are not. You look terrible right now because you're doing nothing helpful.

Drop it and actually try to hunt scum.

I'll give you some harsh reality scum doesn't go for easy mislynches on players like you and me they keep us around all game to try and trick us to vote with them to win. I've been you.

I'm a bit more experienced now and they mislycnh me beacuse I try to go to outside the box or something that goes from my normal town game

That at least lines up with what I thought you meant to say there (about the antitowns)

htaeD posted...

BCT I love ya but you realize we cant verify any of that, right?

I know this. But I'm replying quickly and there are things scum would catch, since anything I would be hesitant about I'd ask about.

htaeD posted...

Okay then what about me, BCT?
Have I only focused on you?

Today? More than on anyone else, at least. You're not as bad as MZero and you actually seem like you're trying to scum hunt. Instead of "this townie is scum. Kill him!" and working backwards like someone else we know.

OH BCT is just repeating what other people say as his scum reads.

I'm acting differently because someone else said I am acting differently.

How am I acting differently BCT?

Convince me this is your own read.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

No limit aside from the "ten minutes before deadline" thing.

Hmm I mean I guess if I squint hard I can see this being the scum limit, they can't use both votes to swing the vote in their favor in that most important last 10 minutes but idk I still can't look at this yet

BlueCrystalTear posted...

You're solely focused on me. You are scum trying to push an easy mislynch. You say you know you are right, but you are not. You look terrible right now because you're doing nothing helpful.

Drop it and actually try to hunt scum.

hey now I asked some hard hitting questions of plum just last page

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Today? More than on anyone else, at least. You're not as bad as MZero and you actually seem like you're trying to scum hunt. Instead of "this townie is scum. Kill him!" and working backwards like someone else we know.

This is a pretty positive statement to someone you list as scum?

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Hmm I mean I guess if I squint hard I can see this being the scum limit, they can't use both votes to swing the vote in their favor in that most important last 10 minutes but idk I still can't look at this yet

Could also have some limitation like "doesn't work at lylo" that we can't check yet.

I was waiting for you to bring those up.
Though I will grant BCT that at first you were focused on him alone.
Admittedly, I think I prolonged that focus with my own posts.

When will I learn to quote people consistently.
That last post was for Mzero

Im saying BCT is town and he has me as scum, so saying he particularly is going after people focused on him is not correct.

His reads seem a mix of repeating others and those who think he is scum though. It's an intriguing list. He is town, so I mean, I don't have much else to say about it besides it is troubling that a town person with 2 votes isn't really reading people well.

TotallyNotMI posted...

This is a pretty positive statement to someone you list as scum?

Han said he wanted to look into death. Hence his repeat on it. He has no actual reasoning play wise on any of these reads besides the fake claim portion.

Oh I have definitely tunneled BCT and I will not deny that

but tunneling my first read until they get lynched is like my go-to move as town

Hmm o actually want to know how this is different corrik. Corrik usually is laser focused on someone and actually pretty good at it think his chances of being right about about said person are better than they are that he is wrong..

I just don't like corriks play it reads as kind of lazy but I'm used to corrik by now I think

Corrik7 posted...

Im saying BCT is town and he has me as scum, so saying he particularly is going after people focused on him is not correct.

His reads seem a mix of repeating others and those who think he is scum though. It's an intriguing list. He is town, so I mean, I don't have much else to say about it besides it is troubling that a town person with 2 votes isn't really reading people well.

he's been doing this all game

Unless Mzero is really balling out as scum for once id say he is town

From my experience active Mzero is town Mzero.

My play is different because I am more active this game than I have been in past games. That's the difference. I have been caught on a good stretch of not having my kid and not busy at work.

That's literally the difference.

That said, everyone who keeps saying it is different keeps being at odds with others.

Plum says I am explaining myself too well. While saying I make no sense. It's almost contradictory. While Lea says I misrepresented by not paraphrasing well, which isn't explaining myself well then. Lopen said I was different because I pressured Sultan and because I bothered to respond to him. The Sultan stuff is probably joke phase stuff I think idk. I wanted specifically to get lopen on the right path regarding me, and well, scare shot that to smithereens.

The people saying I am different are literally all over the place on how I am being different.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Unless Mzero is really balling out as scum for once id say he is town

From my experience active Mzero is town Mzero.

Mzero is def town. But so is BCT. Only way BCT isn't town is if he is Town/Indy on his two accounts, but that's still town.

BCT, when did you remove me from your scum list and why?

Corrik7 posted...

Only way BCT isn't town is if he is Town/Indy on his two accounts, but that's still town.

why town/indy. Why not just Indy? Why does any part of his role have to be town alligned?

Part of me wonders if BCT tipped his hat. He said earlier he could only be scum if scum only has 4 players. The biggest difference between this role and when I had a Ghost account was that the Ghost account couldn't be targeted or voted for.

Why this difference? What if there is 4 scum + Suprak? Suprak could have his own abilities / send in the night kill, hence why he could be targeted.

Or I might just be taking the reins of Lopen's conspiracy theories.

PunishedBen posted...

Here's my point :

If it's scum, the worst thing this Suprak slot can actually do to us is distract us. It can draw votes away at end of day that would be much more useful somewhere else, or create an easy scapegoat for scum to vote for.

So let's all make a pact now that we're not going to vote that slot by end of day today, and anyone who does dies tomorrow

I'm not sure what this says about the chances of ben/BCT being scum together. It's very risky for Ben to stick his heck out this far in that case

hmmmmm

Why would suprak modify this role so it could be targeted at night if it wasn't going to do stuff at night...

his hecking neck

Hey I love theories too.
A ghost would be a perfect counter for scum against the rampant killing power perhaps.
Though in BCT's explanation it would be kinda bad news if he himself got vigged or burned.

TotallyNotMI posted...

Why this difference? What if there is 4 scum + Suprak? Suprak could have his own abilities / send in the night kill, hence why he could be targeted.

4 scum + Suprak, if BCT is lynched Suprak dies. Could balance out the double vote

Or maybe Suprak isn't tied to BCT and any scum could use him and now they got stuck to having to act like it is BCT's

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Still the same five.

Not true, you were calling me scum all day for calling you scum. You also conveniently never mentioned that you were ready to lynch me when Chang was doing his thing (and also comedically said this game was wrapped up).

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Scare - Is scum.

Scare killed Lopen when it was clear (it wasn't) that Lopen was town and there can't be two vigs. Is that your argument on that one?

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Corrik - Is acting differently

I'll give you this. But thats Plums argument. How many games of Corriks have you seen?

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Ben - Still don't like the unnecessary scan bluff. Why use it D1 on Isquen?

You've been in multiple games with Ben now, this I am certain. What Ben day 1 doesn't include a bluff or 7? It wasn't unecessary and if trying to discern Isquens alignment after the counter vig claim it was arguably a smart use of the limited knowledge he supposedly had/has.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

MZero - Is doing nothing meaningful or helpful and only seeks to lynch one townie. It's laser-focused on beating me and not winning the game for town, so his goal is winning the game for scum.

This isn't an argument as to why MZero is scum. You just dont like he's tunneling you and frankly, MZero tends to have a pretty good average here.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Death - need to look deeper but I won't have that kind of time today.

This is a cop out inclusion to your list. What about Plum? Lea? MI? JC?

The biggest knock on scare is town shooting then is completely nonsensical

But then again we just killed town for playing town day vig completely nonsensically

Oh BCT is the guy that pretended he didn't know how day 1s work

Yeah, connecting him to his former play I definitely would lynch him now. My top choice for sure

I am starting to wonder about Death though. He seems to keep slipping in a "(BUT I think Scare is scum)" like every post. It feels more like it's there to remind him of his fake thoughts than trying to convince people that it's something they should be addressing

TotallyNotMI posted...

Or maybe Suprak isn't tied to BCT and any scum could use him and now they got stuck to having to act like it is BCT's

The thought did cross my mind.
But in any of these theories BCT has to be scum.

TotallyNotMI posted...

Why this difference? What if there is 4 scum + Suprak? Suprak could have his own abilities / send in the night kill, hence why he could be targeted.

Suprak is a untrgetable ninja scum?

htaeD posted...

The thought did cross my mind.
But in any of these theories BCT has to be scum.

Correct. Like I said earlier, based on play BCT doesn't feel town to me. But his role is what is giving me pause. I'm trying to think if there's a way the role could be used as scum that makes sense.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Suprak is a untrgetable ninja scum?

What

Yeah I said it a whole two times, Scare.
Once to make my opinion clear and once again because it was part of the topic.

But you are right, more people should address it.
(Though a lot have already said something to the effect of 'its possible in this game')

TotallyNotMI posted...

Correct. Like I said earlier, based on play BCT doesn't feel town to me. But his role is what is giving me pause. I'm trying to think if there's a way the role could be used as scum that makes sense.

sounds too unbalanced to give this role to a single scum. But if multiple scums use it, it also becomes obvious. (Though I suppose in that case they can at least decide who best to give the role)

htaeD posted...

Yeah I said it a whole two times, Scare.
Once to make my opinion clear and once again because it was part of the topic.

But you are right, more people should address it.
(Though a lot have already said something to the effect of 'its possible in this game')

Fucking either ask me out or stop flirting

Speaking of flirting

Interested to hear what Lea has to say