Board 8 > Eff 2021 Mafia: Topic 5 - Starting The New Year Off With A Little Coup

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MZero posted...

4 scum + Suprak, if BCT is lynched Suprak dies. Could balance out the double vote

Thats not really a double vote though.
Thats a 5 man Scum Team in a game of 18 w/ at least 1 indy. the numbers are fine.
Its actually a weakened team if anything since 1 wrong lynch and Scum loses 2 votes and is dropped to a 3 man team.

TotallyNotMI posted...

What

Youre saying that they can use suprak that is untargetable they can use as a night killer

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Youre saying that they can use suprak that is untargetable they can use as a night killer

No I'm specifically saying suprak is targetable. And wondering why.

Fastbreak posted...

Fucking either ask me out or stop flirting

But I am shy by nature!

That said, yes I dont know where Lea went either.

Want to hear more from Ctes first tho.

Obellisk posted...

Its actually a weakened team if anything since 1 wrong lynch and Scum loses 2 votes and is dropped to a 3 man team.

Not if Suprak can be used by the team as a whole. Lynching BCT might not remove Suprak, although now with how things have gone if this theory is correct then we just lynch Suprak the next day.

Or I'm going down a rabbit hole!

htaeD posted...

But I am shy by nature!

This is so crazy

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

If I wasn't her mason buddy this might be where I would say scummoned

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


I can't believe I scummoned my Mason friend

Feel better Lea

TotallyNotMI posted...

No I'm specifically saying suprak is targetable. And wondering why.

We've got vigs. Why shouldn't they be able to take out the Suprak player slot thus rendering the puppeteer without their power. ALSO, we have no idea if there is anything additional Suprak can do if left alive long enough. Suprak may have a night action we do not know about.

Why wouldn't Suprak be targetable?

Obellisk posted...

We've got vigs. Why shouldn't they be able to take out the Suprak player slot thus rendering the puppeteer without their power. ALSO, we have no idea if there is anything additional Suprak can do if left alive long enough. Suprak may have a night action we do not know about.

Why wouldn't Suprak be targetable?

Because when I had this same role in a different suprak game all I could do was double vote and my second account could not be voted or targeted.

So why did suprak change it?

As for staying on Ben over Isquen last time, I was at the time I made that post JC cited working under the idea that Ben being day role cop and that it was very unlikely both were town in that scenario. I was right that one had to be lying at that point and yes, I could see more different scenarios Isquen could be scum, though that's all out the window when Ben said he wasn't role cop after all. It was that when looking at the players, I just found it more likely Ben would be the one faking in that scenario and recent games I have learned that I tend to more often be right when thinking like that.

And it was true that Ben was faking it! It was frustrating to wake up and see that I two hours before deadline was gone too early to see Ben make make another claim which obviously throws all analysis out the window. The only reason I was considering Isquen that much at the end was because of claims contradicting each other, it's ridiculous play. I fully believe Ben is actually the role he says he is now, especially with red's flip, but I'm not convinced at all that it's not on the scum team. I still think Ben looks terrible.

I'm wary that plum was so set on lynching Scare if Isquen was town and holds back that much now. Doesn't look good to me and I also didn't like Stan much.

How likely is that BCT comes in to this game talking about having learned more and then goes down the same route as last time? It's getting harder and harder not to think this is an attempt at replicating town play because jfc and also that BCT didn't look great before it either, but I just want to say this one time, BCT, if you're actually town then please please please consider how much you're currently doing exactly what you did with Sultan last game. I'm dead tired of reading these 'MZero is going after an obvious town' posts, they're not helping town in the slightest. Even if they're right, I'm inclined to believe they're right for the wrong reasons. Keep your opinions for all I care, but repeating the same things in frustration is not doing anyone anything good, it's pointless at best and most likely quite distracting.

TotallyNotMI posted...

Because when I had this same role in a different suprak game all I could do was double vote and my second account could not be voted or targeted.

So why did suprak change it?

Because its a different game and a modified role so that people who have played in his previous games don't know the setup?

Or because like you said it can do other things than just double vote.

We don't know and I'm trying to work through different cases.

Why is that an issue to you?

TotallyNotMI posted...

Or because like you said it can do other things than just double vote.

We don't know and I'm trying to work through different cases.

Why is that an issue to you?

You said you were wondering why Suprak was targetable. I'm just explaining why it makes sense that he is and then questioning why him being targetable was such an issue for you.

TotallyNotMI posted...

Because when I had this same role in a different suprak game all I could do was double vote and my second account could not be voted or targeted.

So why did suprak change it?

Counterquestion.
If BCT is scum, wouldnt his teammates tell him to not mention the changes?

Also Sultan looks awful with that hammer

I fully admit I could be going down a crazy path when the answer is just to make the role slightly different. But it could be more.

I need to go back and read suprak's posts before we started suspecting it was from BCT to see if it still felt like BCT in all his posts

htaeD posted...

Counterquestion.
If BCT is scum, wouldnt his teammates tell him to not mention the changes?

No one in the game seemed to remember this role so the question is if his teammates knew the changes.

TotallyNotMI posted...

I need to go back and read suprak's posts before we started suspecting it was from BCT to see if it still felt like BCT in all his posts

You should 100% copy and paste all of Supraks not host posts into this topic for discussion.
(because i'm not really feeling up to doing that)

I think there are only 3 from before BCT claimed it so I can do that

Suprak_the_Stud posted...

Because nobody knows how the mechanic works. Nobody except for me.

I dare say that lynching me would be unproductive, since I will not flip if killed.

Suprak_the_Stud posted...

changmas posted...
Q: Is your true identity one of the other 18 players listed in this game?
A: Yes.

Q: Are you limited in any way in the content of messages you send via "Suprak the player"?
A: I may not post anything Suprak might consider tampering. This is all.

Q: Are you limited in any way the rate or quantity at/of which you can send messages via "Suprak the player" per day or per the full game?
A: Just one: I must transmit messages at least ten minutes prior to EOD.

Q: As "Suprak the player" can you cast a vote?
A: Yes.

As stated before, if the Suprak player spot dies, he will not be flipped. To add, his flip will occur if or when I die.

Suprak_the_Stud posted...

You didn't ask.

This is as theorized a town double voter role. Does it matter if I say I'm town or scum? You will come to the same conclusion either way.

I will not be using this second vote very liberally, in large part because it locks in ten minutes before EOD.

Oh the quoting didn't copy gross

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80271465/970083820

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80271465/970087391

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80271465/970088840

I haven't played with BCT so I'll look to others if those all sound like him.

I had a theory of someone else I thought they sounded like.

Third post was the give away.

First post though. Shit, should have known immediately. Re-reading that now:

"Because nobody knows how the mechanic works. Nobody except for me.

I dare say that lynching me would be unproductive, since I will not flip if killed."

All of that post is just dripping with BCT. I feel dumb that it took the 3 post for me to get it.

I could see BCT being town and Suprak not being able to die until BCT is dead. And Suprak being a third party survivor that can win with either side. So it's like a survivor with a meat shield.

Oh there is Ctes
Kinda getting lost in the masses.

I guess that answer can be true. But the way you worded your post back at the start of topic4 made it less than clear.

Corrik7 posted...

I could see BCT being town and Suprak not being able to die until BCT is dead. And Suprak being a third party survivor that can win with either side. So it's like a survivor with a meat shield.

so he has 2 win cons? No. Thats no good. I dont like that.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Also Sultan looks awful with that hammer

Oh i know I do ;)

I'm just now noticing that Ben still hasn't appeared in this topic after posting twice last night in the previous topic past the 450 mark.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Oh i know I do ;)

Why do you think you look awful for the hammer? Do you think you'd look great if Isquen wasn't Town?

I think I'm cooling off from my theory fwiw.

I think it would have been exciting if I was right, but re-reading idk if there's any proof there that supports it.

htaeD posted...

Oh there is Ctes
Kinda getting lost in the masses.

I guess that answer can be true. But the way you worded your post back at the start of topic4 made it less than clear.

It was 2am on a weekday!

I will say if it does end up that Suprak is a full scum player slot, we need to give an extra layer of attention to people who said we should just ignore Suprak outright though.

ctesjbuvf posted...

It was 2am on a weekday!

Oh trust me, I can sympathize

I think it makes the most sense here that BCT is a second 3rd party slot.

1) you do not need to consider if he's experienced enough to mimic is common town style of play. He is just as uninformed as town.

2) he was adamant about it not being possible for 2 indys to exist even though we just had a game with 2 indys.

3) Scum with a double voter is a hard sell and the fact that 2 die with 1 kill makes it highly unlikely.

4) Indy with a double vote and who knows what other secrets could be a fun role and held balance out the game which at the moment appears to have 2 vigs and a whole scum team to address.

Obellisk posted...

Why do you think you look awful for the hammer? Do you think you'd look great if Isquen wasn't Town?

Tbh idk I didn't want to do it but at the same time I was not in favor of either lynch and their were only a few minutes left and I panicked thinking he might have been the 3rd party

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Tbh idk I didn't want to do it but at the same time I was not in favor of either lynch and their were only a few minutes left and I panicked thinking he might have been the 3rd party

but why were you panicking? Isquen was the clear leader. Why did you feel the NEED to get on the lynch?

TotallyNotMI posted...

No I'm specifically saying suprak is targetable. And wondering why.

i was thinking about this earlier myself and I came up with bus driver + puppet as a good combo. or maybe the puppet could automatically redirect all night actions aimed at BCT to it instead, so it would tank the first hit meant for him. Those are more town/Indy aligned. BCT does not have to be bus driver in that scenario at all, in fact its probably more likely he isnt

if scum aligned Im certain the Suprak puppet can carry out the kills and stuff like that

changmas posted...

i was thinking about this earlier myself and I came up with bus driver + puppet as a good combo. or maybe the puppet could automatically redirect all night actions aimed at BCT to it instead, so it would tank the first hit meant for him. Those are more town/Indy aligned. BCT does not have to be bus driver in that scenario at all, in fact its probably more likely he isnt

if scum aligned Im certain the Suprak puppet can carry out the kills and stuff like that

Maybe Suprak is an auto bodyguard. Any kill action directed at BCT will be absorbed by Suprak and kill him instead. Points for Indy role.... maybe actually just night kills? so not to blow up the players spot if hit by the day vigs.

TotallyNotMI posted...

I will say if it does end up that Suprak is a full scum player slot, we need to give an extra layer of attention to people who said we should just ignore Suprak outright though.

Ben.

also Im pretty willing to call plum town now.

his scum tell is that he looks and sounds like hes not having any fun and actively dreads replacing in as scum and Im not seeing that here. Hes making too much sense and too interested in the game

Obellisk posted...

I think it makes the most sense here that BCT is a second 3rd party slot.

1) you do not need to consider if he's experienced enough to mimic is common town style of play. He is just as uninformed as town.

2) he was adamant about it not being possible for 2 indys to exist even though we just had a game with 2 indys.

3) Scum with a double voter is a hard sell and the fact that 2 die with 1 kill makes it highly unlikely.

4) Indy with a double vote and who knows what other secrets could be a fun role and held balance out the game which at the moment appears to have 2 vigs and a whole scum team to address.

The thing is, this role was supposed to hide the fact it was a double vote.

Obellisk posted...

but why were you panicking? Isquen was the clear leader. Why did you feel the NEED to get on the lynch?

I am not Lyncher if that is what you're asking

changmas posted...

also Im pretty willing to call plum town now.

his scum tell is that he looks and sounds like hes not having any fun and actively dreads replacing in as scum and Im not seeing that here. Hes making too much sense and too interested in the game

He makes too much sense? Did you read day 1?

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I am not Lyncher if that is what you're asking

no, I'm not probing role here. I'm probing thought process

Corrik7 posted...

He makes too much sense? Did you read day 1?

okay hes making too much sense today does that help

ill give him a bit of a pass at the end of D1 for replacing in hours before the deadline and seemingly trying to read everything in time

Obellisk posted...

no, I'm not probing role here. I'm probing thought process

I had none? If that is an okay answer.

I didnt really want to lynch either but out of the 2 isquen seemed like the lesser of the 2 evils at the time. I brought Ben maybe being role scanner or something like that At the time