Board 8 > Eff 2021 Mafia: Topic 5 - Starting The New Year Off With A Little Coup

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Badly & Unfairly Treated (THE LIVING):
1) Ben
2) BlueCrystalTear
3) Chaeix
4) changmas
5) Corrik
6) ctesjbuvf
7) Death
8) HanOfTheNekos
9) Lea
10) masterplum (replaced MysteriousStan)
11) MZero
12) SBell
13) ScareChan
14) Suprak_the_Stud
15) TheSultanOfSlam
16) TotallyNotMI

Went Home In Peace And Love (DEAD):
KD1 - Lopen: DMX, TOWN Vanilla
LD1 - Isquen: Alec Baldwin, TOWN Negligent Day Vigilante
KN1 - red: Donald Trump, INDEPENDENT Evolving Arsonist

WITH 16 ALIVE IT TAKES 9 TO LYNCH. DAY ENDS IN ROUGHLY 46 HOURS (THURSDAY 9PM CST).

I will say that I don't think we should go for BCT rn.

BCT you didn't answer my question

but in the right topic this time

BlueCrystalTear posted...

I have no idea why MZero is chasing after my mislynch. That alone is indicative of scum. He is obsessed and laser-focused on losing the game for town instead of hunting scum.

Given how an indy flipped already, the possibility of me being third-party is out the window. And would there really be a scum role that would PM the host to double vote? That would imply only 4 scum members, which doesn't make any sense since it removes their advantage.

MZero knows I'm town because he is scum and is just throwing desperation at the wall.

Notice the phrasing here. I'm not trying to win the game for scum, I'm trying to lose the game for town. He knows I'm town lol

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Was *I* not town last game?

If you are Town in both of these games, then that is a constant. If your argument against someone is also the same in both games...

Get where I'm going?

Chaeix posted...

So you made a big preplanned vote on Ben through the suprak account, and your reasoning at that point was because Isquen didn't flip arsonist. Why didn't you bring up this additional reasoning at that point? Why is it coming up only now?

That was my error. I didn't think of that angle as I wrote that. It was because I was too focused on how he was trying to dictate the lynch and made conflicting claims to do so.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I will say that I don't think we should go for BCT rn.

I second this. Obvtown is obvtown.

MZero, bark up a different tree for me. Pretend I just claimed Mayor (wink) and won't let you lynch BCT today.

Convince me to let us lynch someone else.

MZero posted...

Notice the phrasing here. I'm not trying to win the game for scum, I'm trying to lose the game for town. He knows I'm town lol

The "lose the game for town" phrasing is because you can be either town or scum that way. If you're town and I'm wrong, you may still be scum MVP.

Because you are so desperate to mislynch an obvious townie.

The best thing we could do today is not tunnel vision like we did yesterday. Don't let claims blind us. Where do we agree? Where are the weak links?

BCT, did you answer my question?

Did you plan to change your 2 votes to Ben yesterday before Sultan hammered?

BCT apologies if anyone has asked you already, but what happens to the second slot if you die?

Does it just die with you?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

MZero, bark up a different tree for me. Pretend I just claimed Mayor (wink) and won't let you lynch BCT today.

Convince me to let us lynch someone else.

let's pretend that I'm the governor and I toss your pardon in the shitter, partner.

BCT looks like he wants to AtE so bad

I am fine not voting him at the moment. He seems ready to quit posting for even talking about it, won't help

I think I'd prefer Corrik over Death, but they're a toss up to me

HanOfTheNekos posted...

The best thing we could do today is not tunnel vision like we did yesterday. Don't let claims blind us. Where do we agree? Where are the weak links?

This reads like ben/isquen was scum/town and you want us to look away from it.

I am surprised you of all people didn't switch to Ben at the end when you came back, with what I felt you portrayed a lot of your reasoning as in regards to both.

Corrik7 posted...

This reads like ben/isquen was scum/town and you want us to look away from it.

I am surprised you of all people didn't switch to Ben at the end when you came back, with what I felt you portrayed a lot of your reasoning as in regards to both.

When I popped in, I gave a very clear reason for why I thought Isquen was Scum at that point, and unless I'm wrong that Day 1 would come after Night 0, I would expect other people to agree with me!

HanOfTheNekos posted...

When I popped in, I gave a very clear reason for why I thought Isquen was Scum at that point, and unless I'm wrong that Day 1 would come after Night 0, I would expect other people to agree with me!

I didn't believe the night 0 stuff also for reasons, but still...

Part of your reasoning was Ben's role was too valuable to lose if wrong. But that no longer existed.

Corrik7 posted...

BCT, did you answer my question?

Did you plan to change your 2 votes to Ben yesterday before Sultan hammered?

I had no idea what to make of anything. That was one thing I was considering doing but too much was happening too fast.

Chaeix posted...

BCT apologies if anyone has asked you already, but what happens to the second slot if you die?

Does it just die with you?

Yes. The second slot dies with me and flips with me. If the second slot dies by itself, it does not flip.

ScareChan posted...

I am fine not voting him at the moment. He seems ready to quit posting for even talking about it, won't help

Yeah I'm ready to go to bed, and I won't be online much tomorrow. Wish me luck at the dentist.

BCT, please list your top 5 scum suspects as things currently stand before disappearing for most of day 2.

Corrik, remember when I got mad at you yesterday?

Ben's role being useful wasn't why I was more leaning towards Ben being Town. When you said "this is your real reason", I got mad because that was incorrect and I didn't like you saying it as if it was.

I was using it as an argument to not lynch Ben. It wasn't my reason for thinking he was Town.

I hope this is clear

HanOfTheNekos posted...

The best thing we could do today is not tunnel vision like we did yesterday. Don't let claims blind us. Where do we agree? Where are the weak links?

I don't feel like I have too much of a read of Death right now. He's just kind of been there and I can understand his reasoning for leaving his vote on Isquen before he left at the end of the day. This might sound kind of strange but the one additional thing I can say is that his posts, at least to me, have a je-ne-sais-quois about them, something in his wording/tone. I haven't really 'felt' that same feeling yet this game, but I'm not confident enough in that to read into it very far. I'm not opposed to pressuring him but I would rather focus on ctes personally.

I keep going back to post 50 of Topic 4 by ctes and it just really rubs me the wrong way. I get that it's day 1 but he basically spends an entire post justifying why he thinks Isquen is likely to be not-town, outright says that Isquen is the most likely to not be town, and then doesn't vote for Isquen. I just don't like it.

##vote: ctes

I'll build off that by saying I didn't feel strongly about any of the 3 claims yesterday until I saw Isquen claim he would have targeted me Night 0 after we argued day 1. That secured my mind.

If MI wasn't saying he was suspicious of Isquen still, I don't leave my vote on Isquen probably.

This might sound kind of strange but the one additional thing I can say is that his posts normally, at least to me, have a je-ne-sais-quois about them, something in his wording/tone.

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Sbell, question for you.

Corrik7 posted...

Sbell, question for you.

no it isnt.

Obellisk posted...

no it isnt.

Let's play hypothetical here.

Scare is Scum.

He shot Lopen Day 1.
Scum shot Red Night 1.

Who do you think makes the most sense as the ringleader on that scum team?

JC, who did Ctes vote, instead?

just going to point out how odd it is that Ben would post twice in previous topic after the 450 and then not repost here or even come here...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

JC, who did Ctes vote, instead?

Ben, citing his gut.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I'm a bit torn, I do not think it would be optimal play to say all this in Ben's case, he wasn't pushed that hard yet, he didn't actually wait for Isquen's answer, though he did attempt to for a while but i also really don't see the lie here. If Isquen is town he simply says he's exactly what he claimed and Ben is doomed for what? Suiciding into a day vig day 1?. It's why I initially went to Isquen being non-town and Ben scum day role cop, as has been repeated by others since, because it's the setup in which Ben's actions make sense to me. If Isquen is town I really doubt Ben is scum. Isquen scum and Ben town is possible, though it still requires a non-town Isquen to have made that counterclaim to Scare. Both could be also be town, I'm not finding that too likely. Isquen seems like the go to choice because the setups with him as non-town seem more likely and then we're also not lynching a very good role. However, I could more easily see Ben do crazy play like this and I also thought he looked more off before the claims, so ultimately I'll let my vote stay where it is and go with the more gut feel. I fall asleep now.

post in question for ez reference

Corrik7 posted...

Let's play hypothetical here.

Scare is Scum.

He shot Lopen Day 1.
Scum shot Red Night 1.

Who do you think makes the most sense as the ringleader on that scum team?

I feel like you want me to say Han here. I mean, I want to say Han. But if Scare is confirmed scum in this hypothetical I'd say they are both the ringleader. I wouldn't want to take anything away from either of them.

But Isquen was Town, JC?

What does it say that he avoided voting Isquen to vote Ben? How does that rank him as Scum?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

MZero, bark up a different tree for me. Pretend I just claimed Mayor (wink) and won't let you lynch BCT today.

Convince me to let us lynch someone else.

I would lynch Han for being a Scrooge :I

Serious answer: ben. He's been rule of 3'd by BCT twice already. Plus I'd love to have his flip to analyze the day 1 trains, whether it was town/town or town/scum

also wouldn't mind pressuring plum a bit. Stan didn't look great and plum has been kind of inconsistent. I need to reread though

Obellisk posted...

I feel like you want me to say Han here. I mean, I want to say Han. But if Scare is confirmed scum in this hypothetical I'd say they are both the ringleader. I wouldn't want to take anything away from either of them.

I wanted you to say who you truly felt.

Let's hypothetically say you said Han since you said you wanted to.

Who is the sole person saying scare doesn't look scummy for his shot day 1?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

But Isquen was Town, JC?

What does it say that he avoided voting Isquen to vote Ben? How does that rank him as Scum?

It's not just that he avoided voting Isquen to vote Ben. It's that he avoided voting Isquen after explaining that most scenarios have Isquen as non-town. His post reads like he's about to justify voting Isquen, and then he doesn't. Or at least that's the impression it gives me.

Corrik7 posted...

I wanted you to say who you truly felt.

Let's hypothetically say you said Han since you said you wanted to.

Who is the sole person saying scare doesn't look scummy for his shot day 1?

Is this one Han? cause I also am not chastising Scare for shooting Lopen. I mean, I sorts think it was a bad choice, but that's just a difference in opinion, not really a scum feeling.

Chaeix posted...

It's not just that he avoided voting Isquen to vote Ben. It's that he avoided voting Isquen after explaining that most scenarios have Isquen as non-town. His post reads like he's about to justify voting Isquen, and then he doesn't. Or at least that's the impression it gives me.

Do you think it's more like Scum to set up a reason for voting someone all day so that it looks sensible when they vote them? Or more sense for Scum to set up a reason for voting someone all day then vote someone else because... ?

Obellisk posted...

Is this one Han? cause I also am not chastising Scare for shooting Lopen. I mean, I sorts think it was a bad choice, but that's just a difference in opinion, not really a scum feeling.

I am saying that Scare's shot doesn't seem like a Scum shot, yes. I am saying this because I don't think Scare would use a day shot on Lopen, because he doesn't respect Lopen's skill that much.

Scare doesn't respect Lopen's skill that much because I have spoken to Scare a lot about how I don't respect Lopen's skill that much (sorry Lopen, I hope this does not come as a surprise).

Obellisk posted...

Is this one Han? cause I also am not chastising Scare for shooting Lopen. I mean, I sorts think it was a bad choice, but that's just a difference in opinion, not really a scum feeling.

I am not sold this is an actual link. But it's in the back of my head and why I my thoughts on him are souring some.

Corrik is slyly setting up opposition to me right now.

Noted.

I agree that Scare shooting Lopen doesn't feel like a scum play. I don't like the Scare lynch one bit

I feel confident that Ben and Scare are both scum. Maybe this is ego, but my early reads have been rock solid as of late. Hell call it a heat check.

I don't care if this is one note. My reads will evolve as more information comes in to expand further, but the fact that certain people are trying to lead away from these avenues really bothers me. Especially, if the avenue they led us down yesterday ended up with a dead town extra kill.

Majority of evidence points against these two, but everyone is like okay sure but how about we look somewhere else instead today and not focus on the past.

Like can I buy leading a lynch one of these days with you guys?

MZero posted...

I agree that Scare shooting Lopen doesn't feel like a scum play. I don't like the Scare lynch one bit

*sigh*

I give up. Luckily after work today I'll be my usual less active self again.

What does it take for anyone to just listen to me ever.

I'd sooner lynch Ben than I would Scare, but BCT before most.

Corrik7 posted...

*sigh*

I give up. Luckily after work today I'll be my usual less active self again.

What does it take for anyone to just listen to me ever.

who are you and what have you done with corrik

Obellisk posted...

I'd sooner lynch Ben than I would Scare, but BCT before most.

My brother

MZero posted...

who are you and what have you done with corrik

Exasperated. Just rather be a dead town chat hero with Lopen at this point.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Do you think it's more like Scum to set up a reason for voting someone all day so that it looks sensible when they vote them? Or more sense for Scum to set up a reason for voting someone all day then vote someone else because... ?

I think youre correct to acknowledge ctes mentioned that he thought Ben had been worse all day but I interpret that specific post overall to be inconsistent between its thought and action, which unsettles me. He always has a chance to explain whenever europe allows him, and his explanation may satisfy

MZero posted...

My brother

no. you don't get to brother me.

stupid poopzero..poop zero... shooting me in the face.

MZero, it's your job to convince me why this BCT is different from previous Town BCT

Obellisk posted...

no. you don't get to brother me.

stupid poopzero..poop zero... shooting me in the face.

:(