Board 8 > Eff 2021 Mafia: Topic 9 - The Year Not Even Betty White Could Escape

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I will go look it up

Cool. I don't have to worry about checking back in then before deadline then. Anyways like I said since day 1. Kill Ben.

Then go from there. Plum is probably scum also. Then you probably got 1 or 2 more. Depends on 3rd parties.

Can only hand hold you guys so much in these games. It literally takes me flipping town before yinz ever listen to me. Lol.

Corrik is your claim completely truthful

masterplum posted...

I don't like this post

Death, you've been around long enough to know by d3 reads are fairly entrenched by scum

I am not sure what this post means or why you mention day3 when I mentioned day2?

htaeD posted...

I am not sure what this post means or why you mention day3 when I mentioned day2?

Well in that case it doesn't really make sense. Ben had heat on him but it didn't ever seem like he was the sure thing

masterplum posted...

Corrik is your claim completely truthful

Yes. MI is lying about details of his pm to try and lynch me. If he is town, he just threw the game. If he is scum, then his hero claim is about to blow up when I flip town.

If MI is town being dumb right now

BCT is town (at least the BCT account is)
Mzero is town
Sbell is town
Sultan is town

Ben is scum
Plum is scum

The other 1-2 are in
Death
Chang
Ctes
Jc
Lea

If MI is scum hero balling

Town
Sbell
Mzero
BCT (at least Suprak)
Sultan

Scum
MI
Ben

Rest where scum could be
Lea (if he is just a neighbor playing along with MI's fake claim)
Ctes
Death
Chang
Jc

Either way start with Ben and work your way through it. Don't trust anything at all from MI and Lea once I flip though. Have fun and good luck.

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##vote: Ben

Corrik's last time being scum was way back in Fire Emblem Awakening mafia. The gist of this botch is that he claimed Backup and he claimed to take Shonen's role to become a bodyguard. The thing is, Shonen was Mason Bodyguard. And this was public knowledge for everyone, he just decided to go for it. And when called out, he used the argument of "Why would i as scum make a fake claim this bad unless it was true?"

<cite>Corrik7 posted [p:963318245] in Fire Emble... [t:79932911]...</cite>
I am Robin Town Backup

I basically woke up and don't know what is going on, but I am willing to help in anyway I think is needed.

It's why I thought Chris was full of shit. But, whatever.

I took over Bodyguard when Shonen died, but I have put in no action any night because I haven't really seen a power or a person I thought was worth dying for tbqh. Oh well.

I believe there is no actual investigative roles now, and it's just a bunch of defensive roles I guess.

<cite>PunishedBen posted [p:963318322] in Fire Emble... [t:79932911]...</cite>
<quote>But Shonen was Mason bodyguard. Why didn't you join me?! ;-;
</quote>

<cite>Corrik7 posted [p:963319423] in Fire Emble... [t:79932911]...</cite>
Says before I got a role I would have shown up as Robin, Town (insert role here) for whatever reason.

Says I take the first power that flips.

I asked what happens if two flips at the same time, I was told I could choose between the two.

I got bodyguard. You can be suspicious all you want but it is why I was hella bent on Chris.

<cite>Corrik7 posted [p:963321952] in Fire Emble... [t:79932911]...</cite>
<quote>Is your argument for lynching me that I am literally stupid or something? Lol. Seriously, Scare?

cite>Corrik7 posted [p:963332086] in Fire Emble... [t:79932911]...</cite>
Your argument is that I claimed something that seems to not fit because I was dead? That's pretty dumb. I could have claimed Cop or Vanilla no problem. There clearly is no investigative roles. And Vanilla is safe. I unfortunately am the role that I said I am and that's that. Your argument for me being scum is basically that I am mentally challenged. If you and Scare can't make a better argument than that then, in your case since you are confirmed town, and in scares if he is town, maybe you should really reflect at your play and decide if you are actually figuring out mafia or just being lazy and throwing darts at the board.

Then again, I am not dead and am being derailed by even having to talk about this nonsense instead of finding scum. There definitely isn't a majority of the game that thinks I am just plain dumb to follow this argument. I can assure you that.

<cite>PunishedBen posted [p:963334511] in Fire Emble... [t:79936732]...</cite>
Cool. Yeah I was holding back a little bit because I wanted to see who would defend Corrik. But look - this is the truth of it. Shonen's role ONLY allowed him to bodyguard me, and did not give him the option to not be bodyguarding me. Corrik claiming to have bodygaurded no one each night is a "convenient" lie to avoid having to explain why he didnt protect the players he should have. And it is just that - a lie. Backup takes the exact abilities of the power is it backing up. It cant just interpret Mason Bodyguard as a bodyguard and ignore how his role actually works. What was it supposed to do if I was lynched day 1? It would have to take my Mason role. So there is no reason it cant take a Mason role.

Why did Corrik make such a flawed claim? Who the heck knows. Either scum did not interpret my explanation of what Shonen does correctly, or maybe Corrik just wanted to say he would never claim something this dumb. It's a great argument. But it is flawed for the simple reason that the host wouldnt do something this dumb.

Corrik has been lynched. He was Grima MAFIA Godfather.

Corrik's real role was a version of Robin, which he claimed.

Actually Lea probably has to be scum with MI if MI is scum. Risky.

But when I flip and MI blames it on "his pm" remember that MI and Leas thing is claims that are way too risky to make to seem town. MI has claimed doctor day 2 of a game with half the game unclaimed to win as scum. Lea has claimed enlightened townie day 1 with everything across the board to win as scum.

Both are very much able and willing to claim high risk preposterous stuff as scum.

This does NOT mean they are scum when I flip, but it means, you should not trust them.

I'll bank on Lea and MI are neighbors who are claiming to be Masons.

If Corrik is scum, his real role is absolutely Joe Biden, and almost everything would be true except that he chose to be scum. After going on an adventure like this, it only makes sense for him to incorporate all of these details into his fake claim and try to build himself up as town around that. So its nothing crazy for Corrik to be scum here.

Whereas I think its absolutely crazy for MI and Lea to be scum here, plus I've been townreading Lea more than I townread Corrik.

Also Corrik's plan sucks because I'm town and I think Plum is too.

I'm ready to kill Corrik

If MI is telling the truth and his role pm does say that, then this game is bastard anyways for a hosting to the game.

My role clearly says nothing can be done until I make my decisions and that my role was the only thing randomized so far and nothing else could be until I did.

When I finished answering my questions, Suprak said we had to stop posting.

Despite me being told how urgent my responses were, I wasn't the slow one across the exchange.

So if MI isn't lying about details then game is bastard and no sweat. Just enjoy the fun Xmas game. Everything I said will be verified after I flip.

Okay avatar time later. Toruk Makto calls to YOU!

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It's bastard if MI both got pms saying no other roles were assigned before we did ours. Host lied to the players then.

I think that message makes sense to send out to two players at once. Provided one of the players whose roles had been assigned were not on the list as an option. It's that part that makes no sense and I've yet to see an explanation from Corrik.

Corrik7 posted...

It's bastard if MI both got pms saying no other roles were assigned before we did ours. Host lied to the players then.

If the host lied to players then whatever. Game doesnt count

I dont ever assume that to be the case

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I'm getting a shower to leave. My showing is at 3pm at the waterfront amc. Wtf you talking about

I would hope that other people who have played with me regularly know that I am not a town player who lies to town.

If anyone thinks I'm lying here, think I am scum.

There is no world where I just trust Lea enough to day we're masons if we're neighbors

Honestly the real problem Corrik has here is Lea has felt very town the last couple days.

So you are arguing two people who I have no reason to suspect are banding together?

It just doesnt make sense

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I worked til 6am. Slept and am getting ready to leave. You are an idiot. I'm not wasting my time with that nonsense.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/3/8/AAeSC1AAEANe.jpg

Idiot.

I mean Corrik this is open flip.

If you are town and everything is exactly what you say I am again going to assume hosts dont lie and the masons are confirmed scum

Trading 2 for 1 is great for town. Why are you upset?

masterplum posted...

I mean Corrik this is open flip.

If you are town and everything is exactly what you say I am again going to assume hosts dont lie and the masons are confirmed scum

Trading 2 for 1 is great for town. Why are you upset?

I'm not upset. It's a fun Xmas game. Yinz will finally lynch Ben after I flip.

I am pissed Lea is accusing me of lying about taking my son to the movies and out to eat though. Fuck that nonsense.

masterplum posted...

Well in that case it doesn't really make sense. Ben had heat on him but it didn't ever seem like he was the sure thing

Maybe the rest of day2 will prove you right on that. I do recall Bens name dropping less and less.

is there anything more scummy than going to that many avatar movies?

Obellisk posted...

is there anything more scummy than going to that many avatar movies?

Lololol

Leave me alone

I just dont think this makes sense from a town perspective.

Corrik has claimed his role says he acts before everyone else which contradicts the mason.

If Corrik is town we insta lynch the Mason recruiter then once again its open flip and that will probably indicate if Lea is also scum or not

By the way I saw avatar yesterday.

As in the first one. Figured I should watch it before the second one was gone

masterplum posted...

I just dont think this makes sense from a town perspective.

Corrik has claimed his role says he acts before everyone else which contradicts the mason.

If Corrik is town we insta lynch the Mason recruiter then once again its open flip and that will probably indicate if Lea is also scum or not

I doubt open flip will reveal our pms prior to our role pm, Plum.

I'll double check my role pm but I don't think anything regarding that is in the actual role pm.

Corrik7 posted...

I doubt open flip will reveal our pms prior to our role pm, Plum.

I'll double check my role pm but I don't think anything regarding that is in the actual role pm.

Ok no, I dont buy this at all

Actually nevermind. It is in my role pm. So it will absolutely state that on my flip. Checkmate, MI. Better decide if the game is bastard or you lied as town as your defense.

Corrik7 posted...

Actually nevermind. It is in my role pm. So it will absolutely state that on my flip. Checkmate, MI. Better decide if the game is bastard or you lied as town as your defense.

*Popcorn*

All right swinging this back around. Now is your chance to claim you lied about something, otherwise if Corrik flips town I am insta lynching you

Yeah my actual role PM mentions that my choice was before any other roles were selected so uh

I have lied about nothing.

so uhhhhhhhhh

despite all this i still wanna lynch ben today

TotallyNotMI posted...

Yeah my actual role PM mentions that my choice was before any other roles were selected so uh

I have lied about nothing.

We all good then

Lynch Corrik away

changmas posted...

so uhhhhhhhhh

despite all this i still wanna lynch ben today

You dont want to lynch one of the two mutually exclusive claims? They both cant choose before any other role was chosen

TotallyNotMI posted...

Yeah my actual role PM mentions that my choice was before any other roles were selected so uh

I have lied about nothing.

My flip will determine that to have been a lie. If you are scum, lmfaoaoaoao.

Literally lynch me right now. I want you all to.

I didn't realize that was in my actual role pm until just now. Good call on looking for that, Plum. Toodles.

see thing is, the setup claim to me feels pretty locked into being like setup role + likely godfather

but ben's role could be anything!

also like...i kinda believe corrik rn

Could it be possible and not contradictory if Corrik's role was the exact opposite of MI's? He started as scum and could choose his running mate (Scum partner).

He does this, then the game starts and he plans on claiming the opposite of this role, that he is town and could choose a person to not be town with him. (not knowing MI's role exists in the game).

Then he sees MI claim Mason. He does not want to give up his awesome fake claim, and he thinks he could argue that he can potentially still coexist with MI if there are no investigative or protective roles in the game, so he counters with the vote on Mi because how else would any Town mason equivalent have to react to another mason claim.

He comes up with a fake list to avoid giving away who he picked as scum partner. (In reality maybe his list was an alphabetical selection). He says MI was on his list to sow doubt that Mi is being truthful, because HE has a part in his PM that says he was the first to receive roles. He does not know MI had this same statement in his PM.

changmas posted...

also like...i kinda believe corrik rn

Counter lynches are good to look back at later. I say go for it :)

Also part of me wants to believe Corrik too based on play. It is the claim that is killing me. And that has burned me in this game once before. Hence why I havent voted yet.

PunishedBen posted...

Could it be possible and not contradictory if Corrik's role was the exact opposite of MI's? He started as scum and could choose his running mate (Scum partner).

He does this, then the game starts and he plans on claiming the opposite of this role, that he is town and could choose a person to not be town with him. (not knowing MI's role exists in the game).

Then he sees MI claim Mason. He does not want to give up his awesome fake claim, and he thinks he could argue that he can potentially still coexist with MI if there are no investigative or protective roles in the game, so he counters with the vote on Mi because how else would any Town mason equivalent have to react to another mason claim.

He comes up with a fake list to avoid giving away who he picked as scum partner. (In reality maybe his list was an alphabetical selection). He says MI was on his list to sow doubt that Mi is being truthful, because HE has a part in his PM that says he was the first to receive roles. He does not know MI had this same statement in his PM.

This is where my thoughts are. We had scum day Vigilante and town day Vigilante. Town who picks a partner could be mirrored with scum who picks a partner.

i've gotta go shopping shortly but y'all are collectively willing to wait like 5-6 hours i am willing to attempt to mount a defense here

Yeah I posed a couple questions this morning of why did Corrik pick Lopen and why did corrik not breadcrumb after Lopen died and instead of acknowledging those he just called Lea an idiot.

There's no reason to continue this imo