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Makeveli_lives
12/25/22 4:34:12 PM
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Got horrible reviews but still.

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MabusIncarnate
12/25/22 7:04:26 PM
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Yeah I was reading through a few of the reviews, it's getting obliterated. I see a lot of stuff like "race bending" so i'll judge for myself. If it's getting blasted because elves shouldn't be Asian or something, that isn't going to matter to me. Gonna try it in the next few days.

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_BlueMonk
12/25/22 7:08:36 PM
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no thanks.

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Null_Gain
12/25/22 7:09:31 PM
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MabusIncarnate posted...
Yeah I was reading through a few of the reviews, it's getting obliterated. I see a lot of stuff like "race bending" so i'll judge for myself. If it's getting blasted because elves shouldn't be Asian or something, that isn't going to matter to me. Gonna try it in the next few days.

I imagine the types that complain about that also complain about Black elves in the LotR show

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HBOSS
12/25/22 7:53:23 PM
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...and 4 became 5.

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DoesntMatter
12/25/22 8:04:16 PM
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i heard it has basically nothing that feels like The Witcher in it

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specialkid8
12/25/22 8:05:59 PM
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Null_Gain posted...
I imagine the types that complain about that also complain about Black elves in the LotR show
That's the same complaint so... yeah

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Smashingpmkns
12/25/22 8:07:12 PM
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Seen some clips of the cgi. Looks really bad. Like the CW bad.

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HBOSS
12/25/22 8:31:34 PM
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DoesntMatter posted...
i heard it has basically nothing that feels like The Witcher in it
Well its the story of the 1st witcher and they took the eleven details of the witcher series and adapted it to this miniseries.
If you played through the witcher 3 and have a general grasp of the elven side of it, you will know some of the elves in this show.

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NonDairyMiltank
12/26/22 3:21:03 PM
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not enough to care

people didnt watch for elf shit, they wanted the Witcher
showrunner proved she can be handed damn near perfect ingredients and cook it up into a dumpster fire

theres no coverin up her obvious L lol
people this content would pander to are even rippin on her now like damn

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MabusIncarnate
12/26/22 3:41:30 PM
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8% audience score? I can't wait to watch this, it legitimately sounds like it's terrible in general.

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Fony
12/26/22 3:44:14 PM
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My FWB liked the original Netflix show and said it was too bad/uninteresting to continue watching.

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Pastryarchy
12/26/22 8:45:23 PM
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You know it's bad when both the audience AND the critics are shitting on it.

You can paint a turd to look like a gold nugget, but it still stinks.
You have to give the critic shills something convincing to work with...they got nothing here.

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ZevLoveDOOM
12/27/22 3:52:37 PM
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no Geralt, dont care...
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WingsOfGood
12/27/22 3:54:33 PM
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Turns out Cavil.being bossy is what made the show succedd huh?
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Zikten
12/27/22 3:55:10 PM
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ZevLoveDOOM posted...
no Geralt, dont care...
He couldn't be in. I think it takes place centuries before he is born
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MarcyWarcy
12/27/22 3:56:22 PM
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No thanks
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Punished_Blinx
12/27/22 4:08:35 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/2/3/AACT2jAAECFj.jpg

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MetroidGamer666
12/27/22 4:09:14 PM
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Its absolutely awful
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YellowSUV
12/27/22 4:10:37 PM
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Punished_Blinx posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/2/3/AACT2jAAECFj.jpg

?

Sounds like they hired terminally online Twitter people to write the show.

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Cobra1010
12/27/22 4:14:34 PM
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Henry cavill actually read the books and played witcher 3.

The yennefer and ciri actresses couldnt even be bothered to read the first few books.

And then witcher season 2 turned into yennefer show.

They just gotta go n fuck it up.

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Makeveli_lives
12/27/22 4:16:33 PM
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Cobra1010 posted...
Henry cavill actually read the books and played witcher 3.

The yennefer and ciri actresses couldnt even be bothered to read the first few books.

And then witcher season 2 turned into yennefer show.

They just gotta go n fuck it up.
To be fair, its perfectly justifiable to not want to copy the source material for the show tbh. People get too caught up in that especially when it comes to nerd culture.

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Zikten
12/27/22 4:19:17 PM
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Makeveli_lives posted...
To be fair, its perfectly justifiable to not want to copy the source material for the show tbh. People get too caught up in that especially when it comes to nerd culture.
Then why even bother to call the show The Witcher? People get hyped when adaptations are announced because they liked the source and they have expectations of what happens in the story

If you aren't even going to attempt to follow the story, is it even the same story? It doesn't have to be a perfect adaptation, but the actors should be required to read the books
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Punished_Blinx
12/27/22 4:21:20 PM
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Zikten posted...
Then why even bother to call the show The Witcher? People get hyped when adaptations are announced because they liked the source and they have expectations of what happens in the story

If you aren't even going to attempt to follow the story, is it even the same story? It doesn't have to be a perfect adaptation, but the actors should be required to read the books

That's the role of the writers yeah.

I don't think it matters for the actors personally. The script should be telling them what they need to know.

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MetroidGamer666
12/27/22 4:23:24 PM
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Makeveli_lives posted...
To be fair, its perfectly justifiable to not want to copy the source material for the show tbh. People get too caught up in that especially when it comes to nerd culture.

Wtf, no it is not!

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AngelsNAirwav3s
12/27/22 4:28:53 PM
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Pretty rare nowadays that both mainstream critics and general audiences agree that something is complete dog shit.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
12/27/22 4:34:40 PM
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I respect Henry Cavill more and more each day as he proves that he not only cares about the source material, he left when it got really fucked up.

I still dont like his version of superman due to Snyder not liking or understanding the character but his other roles have been good.

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MarcyWarcy
12/27/22 6:37:29 PM
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Makeveli_lives posted...
To be fair, its perfectly justifiable to not want to copy the source material for the show tbh. People get too caught up in that especially when it comes to nerd culture.

There is a certain degree to which this is true and a threshold at which it no longer is, and pretty much every big adaption that's been tried lately has crossed over the threshold. Fans of things are generally fans because they, assumably, like the way stuff was. It's one thing when you do stuff like make the cast multiracial, or switch up the timeline or deviate into original stuff here and there, but this current trend to go "I am unbound by the thing I am adapting and we are going to change everything to try to surprise people" is real lame, and furthermore, doesn't seem to work very well in terms of getting good publicity.

I've seen them called "trojan horse adaptions" recently and that's a pretty good descriptor for them. They use the facade of a popular piece of media to get funding and a baseline of an audience, and then once stuff gets going the trapdoor opens and you start getting washed over by original stories writers wanted to tell regardless of setting but couldn't get the funding to get onscreen without the recognizable face.
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synklare
12/27/22 6:51:36 PM
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I would sooner shit in my hands and clap than watch anything that comes from Lauren Hissrich and her team of morons suffering from hilarious levels of delusions of grandeur.

I will continue to read the books and if I wish to engage in fan-fiction, the games exist, and they're very good, even the original of which has very dated gameplay by modern standards.

Makeveli_lives posted...
To be fair, its perfectly justifiable to not want to copy the source material for the show tbh. People get too caught up in that especially when it comes to nerd culture.

If you're going to adapt the material and put your own spin on it, it's best to respect it first before you attempt to add to it.

No reasonable person that has read the books or played the games is expecting a 1:1 adaptation, but the Witcher show in many places is a pure and utter piss take not only of the source material, but the fans and the attitude shown towards the fans that enabled this show to exist (surprise surprise) has been mostly negative.

Right now, there are small waves of people attempting to shut down any and all criticism of Blood Origins by citing critique of Lauren, her team or the show as nothing more than Misogyny, bigotry, prejudice, racism etc.

These people are also attacking the fans of the source material as well as the games, the very pieces of content that are well received, critically acclaimed and loved.

Ultimately, I wouldn't tell anybody not to watch Blood Origins, the choice is up to them, but after watching the first two seasons of the mainline show, I'm about done with the franchise on Netflix.

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MarcyWarcy
12/27/22 7:24:01 PM
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synklare posted...


Right now, there are small waves of people attempting to shut down any and all criticism of Blood Origins by citing critique of Lauren, her team or the show as nothing more than Misogyny, bigotry, prejudice, racism etc.

fwiw it doesnt seem to be working very well. it seems like every time these things come out that is a less and less viable tactic
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ReadySetGoats
12/27/22 7:25:08 PM
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No one wants to read anymore.

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Punished_Blinx
12/27/22 7:29:51 PM
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I think the big problem overall is that Netflix has just way too content to properly manage. If there's not a good showrunner (and quite a lot of shows do not) the show is pretty fucked.

Season 1 wasn't anything that great to begin with and it seems like it's just going downhill from there.

At the end of the day we know how Netflix's algorithms work. Watching everything is considered a success regardless of your opinion. This show has got bad reviews. So why bother watching it even if you like The Witcher? Just because it's on there doesn't mean you have to watch it.

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Fony
12/27/22 8:56:30 PM
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Its going to become a young adult romance with a fantasy backdrop.

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Maze_
12/28/22 11:28:23 AM
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I'll never understand why black elves and black mermaids bother people.

"These fantasy creatures that don't exist aren't realistic enough"

wut...

Sure I get if it they reboot Gandalf or Dandelion as black. But just for any new character at all of any kind?

Who gives a shit.

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Makeveli_lives
12/28/22 1:02:21 PM
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MarcyWarcy posted...
There is a certain degree to which this is true and a threshold at which it no longer is, and pretty much every big adaption that's been tried lately has crossed over the threshold. Fans of things are generally fans because they, assumably, like the way stuff was. It's one thing when you do stuff like make the cast multiracial, or switch up the timeline or deviate into original stuff here and there, but this current trend to go "I am unbound by the thing I am adapting and we are going to change everything to try to surprise people" is real lame, and furthermore, doesn't seem to work very well in terms of getting good publicity.

I've seen them called "trojan horse adaptions" recently and that's a pretty good descriptor for them. They use the facade of a popular piece of media to get funding and a baseline of an audience, and then once stuff gets going the trapdoor opens and you start getting washed over by original stories writers wanted to tell regardless of setting but couldn't get the funding to get onscreen without the recognizable face.
like Jay-Z once said:

N****s like your old shit?
Buy my old album.

Things are allowed to change and drastically so. If it doesnt work then so be it but to chastise people from executing their vision because it isnt someone elses vision is dangerous in artistic endeavors and leads to less creativity.

Granted this show is absolute garbage still.

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The_Yahtz09
12/28/22 1:14:16 PM
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Really disappointing to hear its bad. Havent gotten to it yet with all the holiday shenanigans. I love The Witcher though. Read the books, currently playing through 3 (1 and 2 are in the backlog but honestly have no idea when Ill get to them), and enjoy the Netflix series and animated movie.

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s0nicfan
12/28/22 1:18:49 PM
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Makeveli_lives posted...
To be fair, its perfectly justifiable to not want to copy the source material for the show tbh. People get too caught up in that especially when it comes to nerd culture.

It's perfectly justifiable for a writer to want to do something original instead of being paid to adapt somebody else's story, but the emphasis here is that it's a justifiable desire, not a justifiable action. There's this weird sense of entitlement from writers that they know better than the original creator when it comes to a series that people are already invested in, or that they are owed the ability to create their own original story in someone else's established universe simply on the basis that they're a writer. It's the equivalent of hiring an advertising firm to make you a TV ad for your beer and they come back with one for Seltzer and a message about the importance of not drinking too much.

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s0nicfan
12/28/22 1:20:43 PM
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Makeveli_lives posted...
like Jay-Z once said:

N****s like your old shit?
Buy my old album.

Things are allowed to change and drastically so. If it doesnt work then so be it but to chastise people from executing their vision because it isnt someone elses vision is dangerous in artistic endeavors and leads to less creativity.

Granted this show is absolute garbage still.

See, this is exactly what I was talking about in my post above. Who gives a shit about the writer's vision? That's not what they're being paid to do. You're being paid to adapt somebody else's vision for an audience that is already bought into it. If they want to write original content, they can pitch original screenplays, but hijacking somebody else's franchise because they're not good enough to sell their own stuff is hubris and entitlement, not talent.

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bsp77
12/28/22 10:14:01 PM
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I have one episode left. It is generic, the elves are the exact same as humans, the CGI is suspect, and this is a complete retcon of what Andrej intended. But it isn't as bad as the audience "ratings", and the vast majority haven't even watched it. It is somewhat entertaining.

Michelle Yeoh's character and the dwarf are great. The rest of the characters are meh.

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Fony
12/28/22 10:15:20 PM
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bsp77 posted...
I have one episode left. It is generic, the elves are the exact same as humans, the CGI is suspect, and this is a complete retcon of what Andrej intended. But it isn't as bad as the audience "ratings", and the vast majority haven't even watched it. It is somewhat entertaining.

Michelle Yeoh's character and the dwarf are great. The rest of the characters are meh.

Is it as bad as the Legitimate critic ratings from actual media? RT has it a 33% and my friend seems to think it's appropriate.

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bsp77
12/28/22 10:21:32 PM
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Fony posted...
Is it as bad as the Legitimate critic ratings from actual media? RT has it a 33% and my friend seems to think it's appropriate.
Probably. And, the Metacritic score of 47 shows that most reviewers are giving it a 4, 5 or 6 out of ten. Most reviewers say it is unessential or lackluster or minor and basically just generic fantasy. That makes sense. Calling it essentially excrement as the fake audience reviews do, however, does not make sense.

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Compsognathus
12/28/22 10:32:22 PM
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Witcher: Blood Origin sucks, but not because it's a bad adaptation. It sucks entirely on its own merits.

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bsp77
12/29/22 8:59:18 AM
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Wow, the last episode is just an insult to everything the books, the games, and even the main show created

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MabusIncarnate
12/29/22 8:59:52 AM
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I'm gonna binge this garbage tonight

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DoesntMatter
12/29/22 10:32:45 AM
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bsp77 posted...
Wow, the last episode is just an insult to everything the books, the games, and even the main show created
i have to know what they did and i don't really want to watch the show to find out. spoil it for me, what did they do?

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bsp77
12/29/22 10:39:46 AM
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DoesntMatter posted...
i have to know what they did and i don't really want to watch the show to find out. spoil it for me, what did they do?
The conjunction of the spheres is just an afterthought in the last 5 minutes, like oops, we tore the veil, now there are humans! And the problem is that the so called "elven culture" are exactly the same as humans. There is no difference whatsoever other than ears. So how did the humans come and take over? Humans are supposed to take over because they are more ambitious while the elves are more balanced and attuned to the world. There is nothing here about that at all. So how did the elves lose when they outnumbered humans like at least 1000 to 1? And why should we care about elves' plight in the current timeframe when they are stand ins for humans? The whole thing is pointless and dumb.

Plus, the episode wanted us to care about characters that were never developed and a romance that came out of basically nowhere. Plus, the dialogue sucks, the main bad guys are inconsistent which I think the writers mistake for complexity. And the CGI was godawful. Oh, and a tacked on ending with Ciri that makes no sense.

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DoesntMatter
12/29/22 10:44:15 AM
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^damn. sounds like the showrunners just did whatever they wanted to with the lore and history, and just looked up a few things on the fandom page real quick and were like "well, we have to include these things, i guess, let's just throw those in there".

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ThisIsAKnoife
12/29/22 10:45:25 AM
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bsp77 posted...
The conjunction of the spheres is just an afterthought in the last 5 minutes, like oops, we tore the veil, now there are humans! And the problem is that the so called "elven culture" are exactly the same as humans. There is no difference whatsoever other than ears. So how did the humans come and take over? Humans are supposed to take over because they are more ambitious while the elves are more balanced and attuned to the world. There is nothing here about that at all. So how did the elves lose when they outnumbered humans like at least 1000 to 1? And why should we care about elves' plight in the current timeframe when they are stand ins for humans? The whole thing is pointless and dumb.

Plus, the episode wanted us to care about characters that were never developed and a romance that came out of basically nowhere. Plus, the dialogue sucks, the main bad guys are inconsistent which I think the writers mistake for complexity. And the CGI was godawful. Oh, and a tacked on ending with Ciri that makes no sense.

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lolife67
12/29/22 11:01:52 AM
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I agree with bsp77's assessment. It's not really "bad" but it's a whole lot of "meh." The story definitely needed more than 4 episodes and feels very rushed, especially the relationship aspects. With more time to actually flesh out the characters it wouldn't feel so generic, which is it's biggest critique.

I was wondering while watching how the elves became second class citizens in the Witcher since they were running things in this. I don't mind their society mirroring humans since racism doesn't have to make sense. People just hate those that are different than them, even if the only difference is pointy ears.
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