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Corrik why are you so sure scum exists?

Corrik7 posted...

You are saying to leave Chang alive all the way until end game now when you claimed bulletproof and he claimed bulletproof/unkillable.

I think he's scum but everyone is playing so weird and only so many can be scum

Just a completely dumb role setup existing almost makes more sense than hb playing his role as he did or the logic of Dumey and 5tar.

I havent claimed and I dont plan to.
Actually, I have a question for hb, does your role give you a time? Like is it mentions only until the lynch or until you receive the confirmation?

htaeD posted...

Yeah but wont mentions of 5tar sending in an action count?

Why are we assuming 5tar has an action to send in?
Or conversely, if 5tar does have an action, why are we assuming he has to specify that it is him taking HIS action, and not someone else taking an action that doesn't belong to them?

Probably dictates it's more likely he is Scum.

Corrik7 posted...

It could mean anything. That said I don't think HB fakes that as scum so he is cult or town.

Occulam's says Cult is Scum.
And doing a search for the number of times a name has been mentioned in a discord server you're part of is a pretty easy thing to fake.

Not to mention that Hb's claim was pretty worthless.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

No? 1 mention is like, on a list and then never spoken about at all.

You know who Scum don't need to talk about recruiting? Or killing? Or mislynching?

Fellow Scum.

fullheartedly disagree. i think it's almost impossible to even discuss or coordinate anything in a group setting without saying someone's name.

"that sounds good, 5tar what do you think?

"let's discuss when 5tar gets back"

"ok so tonight i'll do x, y does x, 5tar does x"

i think that's even more true for someone in a completely different time zone who probably wouldn't even be around for half of the discussion at peak hours

Literally nobody talks like that

Look, I just responded to you without your saying your name.

Usually in scum chats I've been in scum talk to the collective Han's theory has merit

uh well i definitely talked exactly like that in YGO mafia when i was scum with ben, poppy, and kirby

death can confirm

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Yeah but if Hb is telling the truth you're practically confirmed Scum so

Now this doesn't make any sense at all

I'll go ahead and won't say it's damning, because we have no idea what the activity level is like on the Scumboard. But my mind instantly went to thinking it showed he was Scum, and the more I think it, the more it makes sense.

This is why I want more I formation on hbs claim. Does it include the people themselves speaking or only if somebody else types their name?

5tarscream posted...

Does it include the people themselves speaking or only if somebody else types their name?

Only if someone mentions them.

5tarscream posted...

This is why I want more I formation on hbs claim. Does it include the people themselves speaking or only if somebody else types their name?

please stop for a second and think about what that would entail

I have to rewire my thinking around you saying the number of times were cumulative.

Also hb cleared me N1. SBell was still alive. Everyone is way too fast to accept claims. Nobody is actually doing any work for themselves at the moment. Except Han. Whos wrong.

changmas posted...

please stop for a second and think about what that would entail

What do you mean?

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I'll go ahead and won't say it's damning, because we have no idea what the activity level is like on the Scumboard. But my mind instantly went to thinking it showed he was Scum, and the more I think it, the more it makes sense.

Are you out of your fucking mind? "5tar is nearly confirmed scum because scum obviously don't talk in a way mentioning each other's names even though they would have no way to know this role exists. Also he couldn't have taken any actions and this isn't a tell"
That's Lopen-tier bullshit, Han. I expect more from you.

5tarscream posted...

What do you mean?

it turns me into basically Cop++, if a person has been active on the scumboard they'd probably get a result of a 100 or more, instantly making it obvious if they were scum.

5tarscream posted...

If it's not an ego thing then why where you so low key early game Ulti?
Also, why is Ulti still refering to cult and scum as separate? I thought it was confirmed that Moebius was scum, SBell was Cult and Moebius. I just assumed either multiple recruiters or a night 0 recruitment to minimize the chance of a d1 scum loss if SBell got lynched.
This is why I've been looking at who used D1 to simply buy time.

SBell was always catching up.
IGCD had his fake dayvig that everyone seemed content to let it play out and see what happens.
Death likewise ended up as a lets see what happens no pressure day.
JC had his doomed claim.
Ulti and Corrik basically afk'd most of the day. Corrik I remember a little towards the end of the day at least trying to offer plum some kind of lifeline. All I remember from Ulti was his Sultan nonsense and I think it may have been SBell harping on about why he hadn't addressed it for 2 days.
Lopen had his miller counterclaim to plum.

SBell was scum.
JC was town.
Death is more than likely town.
I have a theory on Corrik but I lean town for now of those 4.

That leaves IGCD, Lopen and Ulti.

I rolled vanilla and I despise day one. Double whammy of me not giving a shit early on.

SBell is the key here. Lopens argument is that I was recruited (not that Im actually on the mafia team), but SBell tried to lynch me and came very close to doing it. I supported this, because killing me to keep better players alive was a good idea. If you look at his behavior, he was not bussing a teammate. He thought I was on the mafia team and was genuinely scum hunting. It was genuine tone from him.

So for me to be scum, you have to say Im mafia. Not cult. The scum chat scan clears that bit up because of the 22 mentions.

For Lopen specifically, hes slipping all over the place because at the end of the day, his team barely has anyone in town that they can actually mislynch and win with. The poe is really small now.

Hbthebattle posted...

Are you out of your fucking mind? "5tar is nearly confirmed scum because scum obviously don't talk in a way mentioning each other's names even though they would have no way to know this role exists. Also he couldn't have taken any actions and this isn't a tell"
That's Lopen-tier bullshit, Han. I expect more from you.

Lopen recruited Han to the cult and Han has to mimic Lopens play as a result

Cult and scum are the same thing?

Hbthebattle posted...

Only if someone mentions them.

Wait so how does your scan clear Starscream? I think the guy is town but scum not mentioning him day one is not a confirmed town scan.

Very cool role, as a side note. That is so unbelievably creative of Ben.

Hbthebattle posted...

it turns me into basically Cop++, if a person has been active on the scumboard they'd probably get a result of a 100 or more, instantly making it obvious if they were scum.

exactly like how many variations of cop would we have in this game by that point

Ultimaterializer posted...

but SBell tried to lynch me and came very close to doing it.

Did he? There were only ever 2 votes on you day 2 and death was always far more likely to be lynched than you. It's easy to bus when you won't face any punishment for it.

Hbthebattle posted...

Are you out of your fucking mind? "5tar is nearly confirmed scum because scum obviously don't talk in a way mentioning each other's names even though they would have no way to know this role exists. Also he couldn't have taken any actions and this isn't a tell"
That's Lopen-tier bullshit, Han. I expect more from you.

Well, let's try to put ourselves in Scum shoes, if 5tar is not Scum:

1. Do we recruit 5tar? Someone says no and then he's never discussed again (for rest of day 1 or night 1 whichever it is)
2. Do we mislynch 5tar, who did no favors for himself day 1? Someone says no and then he's never discussed again
3. Do we shoot 5tar? Probably not if he did himself no favors. Someone says no and then he's never discussed again
4. Do we discuss somebody, anybody saying something about 5tar in topic, who could have been Town? I guess not!

It's fully possible this is a lazy ass Scumteam (SBell, IGCD, and Ulti for example have a combined 7 posts this game), and therefore 5tar might be Town because he's SUCH an oversight that he was never mentioned more than once...

Or it's possible he was mentioned once as a member of Scum and then people discussed things collectively, directly in response like this (hey, I haven't said your name once in this whole response, wow crazy that people talk like that), using the reply feature in Discord, any of that.

Hb 5tar and Ulti I'm liking this one

Oh, yeah I guess that makes sense, I never imagined the scum chat would be that active D1 if the team was only 2/3 people at that point

Hb pocketing 5tar and using Dumey as the mislynch after IGCD is possible too tho

Ultimaterializer posted...

Wait so how does your scan clear Starscream? I think the guy is town but scum not mentioning him day one is not a confirmed town scan.

Scum discords tend to put a list of all scum players in the channel. That would have to account for the one. He couldn't have taken an action at night, and no one could have mentioned his name. This feels very, very difficult to me.

And him being recruited is obviously fucking impossible.

This is some trash tier town play this game. Im off to bed and Im taking my flag with me, you dont deserve it.

Lopen posted...

Hb 5tar and Ulti I'm liking this one

Why do I implicate Ulti if he's my scummate? Think before you post, Lopen.

Yeah, there's always the possibility that Scumchat mentioned 5tar like 30 times, and Hb just, you know, lied.

Like, the reason this grinds me especially is that Hb had no reason to claim and is not using the information for most any purpose (except for calling 5tar Town most of the game, which sure, is consistent), but it's like, really anti-Town to claim if you are Town right now.

Han, if you were in a scum discord and you wanted 5tars input on something but he wasnt online, how would you ask for him to give his input when he gets back, in a way that both sounds natural and does not mention his name?

multiple players would have to be so intentional as to avoid saying his name just in the natural flow of things

I wish whoever between Dumey and 5tar is town would analyze more. Paranoia is not analysis if you sull have Corrik and Death in your poe you need to try harder

I'm dying here. All I'm confident in is igcd town atm beyond cop and scans

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Like, the reason this grinds me especially is that Hb had no reason to claim and is not using the information for most any purpose (except for calling 5tar Town most of the game, which sure, is consistent), but it's like, really anti-Town to claim if you are Town right now.

You are ACTUALLY lying. I literally laid out the reason - Ulti looks a lot worse because of it.
Funny that you decry Lopen all game yet you're acting exactly like him here.

Hbthebattle posted...

Scum discords tend to put a list of all scum players in the channel. That would have to account for the one. He couldn't have taken an action at night, and no one could have mentioned his name. This feels very, very difficult to me.

And him being recruited is obviously fucking impossible.

And he couldn't have been a possible nightkill.

And nobody could have discussed him during the day or as a mislynch target.

It sounds like, basically, 1 result is just impossible.

At least, if the Scumteam has any sort of heartbeat. And that does mesh a bit with where my mind was going, so I will earnestly take this being a true scan and amount and conclusion in mind when I post things in a bit.

Lopen posted...

I wish whoever between Dumey and 5tar is town would analyze more. Paranoia is not analysis if you sull have Corrik and Death in your poe you need to try harder

I'm dying here. All I'm confident in is igcd town atm beyond cop and scans

reminder that you went after me hard on page 1 of this very topic for ever even daring to suggest IGCD town

Hbthebattle posted...

Why do I implicate Ulti if he's my scummate? Think before you post, Lopen.

Ulti basically implicated himself with his play today

Hbthebattle posted...

You are ACTUALLY lying. I literally laid out the reason - Ulti looks a lot worse because of it.
Funny that you decry Lopen all game yet you're acting exactly like him here.

Okay, you gave your Towntell here.

Hb as Town is always a jerk when he's called out instead of speaking logically.

changmas posted...

Han, if you were in a scum discord and you wanted 5tars input on something but he wasnt online, how would you ask for him to give his input when he gets back, in a way that both sounds natural and does not mention his name?

multiple players would have to be so intentional as to avoid saying his name just in the natural flow of things

If I were in a Scum Discord, why would I specifically want 5tar's opinion on something? If I'm in a team setting, I'm probably using language that incorporates the whole team.

changmas posted...

reminder that you went after me hard on page 1 of this very topic for ever even daring to suggest IGCD town

Yeah. Before 90% of the day's content.

Being right doesn't make you town. Scum are right very often

HanOfTheNekos posted...

And he couldn't have been a possible nightkill.

And nobody could have discussed him during the day or as a mislynch target.

This sounds completely reasonable to me. If you were scum, would you kill 5tar N1?

Hbthebattle posted...

This sounds completely reasonable to me. If you were scum, would you kill 5tar N1?

No, I would not.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Hb as Town is always a jerk when he's called out instead of speaking logically.

ok well fuck you then, actually answer the question

igcd's still scum btw we aren't letting him get away with this

Igcd town. Doc save happened and peaf was not our only protection deal with it.

Hbthebattle posted...

ok well fuck you then, actually answer the question

There was a game a few games ago where I explained, in pretty good logic, why PoE painted you as Scum. It was good logic. It was wrong. Your response was to flame me and say I could "never call myself a good player ever again" and honestly it was just really heated.

And right here, if you are Town, you continue to prove my point.

changmas posted...

reminder that you went after me hard on page 1 of this very topic for ever even daring to suggest IGCD town

Point 2 you went after me specifically for basically doing the same thing Corrik and IGCD did

Why

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Okay, you gave your Towntell here.

Hb as Town is always a jerk when he's called out instead of speaking logically.

If I were in a Scum Discord, why would I specifically want 5tar's opinion on something? If I'm in a team setting, I'm probably using language that incorporates the whole team.

because hes sleeping in a different time zone and everyone else has already given their input

Lopen posted...

Igcd town. Doc save happened and peaf was not our only protection deal with it.

and yet, he has provided no explanation for why he hammered beyond "for the lulz" and has basically laid low all of today. Even if you ignore the scum-punishment for hammering angle, IGCD still looks incredibly bad.