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htaeD
02/01/23 1:26:45 PM
#351:


changmas posted...
uh well i definitely talked exactly like that in YGO mafia when i was scum with ben, poppy, and kirby

death can confirm


I mean that goes for about every player I think

I am not sure I understand the part about HBs power not picking up names if they were mentioned by their owner? That sounds difficult to keep track of

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HanOfTheNekos
02/01/23 1:27:24 PM
#352:


changmas posted...
because hes sleeping in a different time zone and everyone else has already given their input

How many times did you address me in our Neighbor chat by name, and how many times did I address you?

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Lopen
02/01/23 1:27:51 PM
#353:


Hbthebattle posted...
and yet, he has provided no explanation for why he hammered beyond "for the lulz" and has basically laid low all of today. Even if you ignore the scum-punishment for hammering angle, IGCD still looks incredibly bad.

Actually he came out to play earlier. Expressed frustration about not having time to fully read end of days, etc

Honestly literally everyone having him in POE is a red flag. It's like why I was calling Death town earlier. (Amusingly one of the few correct calls that actually mattered this game that Chang gives me no credit for)

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changmas
02/01/23 1:28:42 PM
#354:


htaeD posted...
I mean that goes for about every player I think

I am not sure I understand the part about HBs power not picking up names if they were mentioned by their owner? That sounds difficult to keep track of

it just means that Ben isnt pressing control + F the discord, hes using the in-client search function that will only return the text that was posted by whatever user

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Ultimaterializer
02/01/23 1:28:57 PM
#355:


Hbthebattle posted...
Did he? There were only ever 2 votes on you day 2 and death was always far more likely to be lynched than you. It's easy to bus when you won't face any punishment for it.
Hes scared of bussing teammates, especially if the team was only 2 people like it would have been at that point. Ive been scum with him enough and hosted enough to know this.

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Hbthebattle
02/01/23 1:29:00 PM
#356:


htaeD posted...
I am not sure I understand the part about HBs power not picking up names if they were mentioned by their owner? That sounds difficult to keep track of
No, I mean,
You know how in discord when you make a post, it puts your username next to your post? My role doesn't count those (because discord search doesn't track them together, also it'd be broken)

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Ultimaterializer
02/01/23 1:30:00 PM
#357:


Hbthebattle posted...
igcd's still scum btw we aren't letting him get away with this
Im willing to cede that my read could be wrong. I wont vote him though.

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changmas
02/01/23 1:30:20 PM
#358:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
How many times did you address me in our Neighbor chat by name, and how many times did I address you?

thats a 1 on 1 vs a group setting.

if i was taking my girlfriend to dinner alone i probably wouldnt say her name very much but if i took her to dinner with my parents Id probably say her name a lot!

but i actually checked that and it was 2 mentions for each of us (neither were direct addresses though)

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Lopen
02/01/23 1:30:24 PM
#359:


If I'm hb's role as town I've probably already considered Han's theory with a full game to digest it

Also if I'm hb's role as town I'm 100% pushing for one of my scans over situational IGCD theory. Even if I think 5tar is town. Why do you ever not lynch Ulti I really don't get it.

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Lopen
02/01/23 1:31:03 PM
#360:


changmas posted...
but i actually checked that and it was 2 mentions for each of us (neither were direct addresses though)

Didn't you say the chat got nuked?

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Hbthebattle
02/01/23 1:31:11 PM
#361:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
How many times did you address me in our Neighbor chat by name, and how many times did I address you?
you're comparing a 1v1 conversation to the scumcord, which presumably has more than 2 people

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Corrik7
02/01/23 1:31:38 PM
#362:


Man if I said fuck you to someone I would be banned until 2034 for the great travesty I dealt to someone and the PTSD I caused them.

Lmfao

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Hbthebattle
02/01/23 1:32:22 PM
#363:


Lopen posted...
situational IGCD theory.
HE FUCKING HAMMERED PROTECTION

HE HAMMERED PROTECTION THAT HE KNEW WAS NOT THERE TO RESPOND

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changmas
02/01/23 1:32:36 PM
#364:


Lopen posted...
Didn't you say the chat got nuked?

i have all the logs saved

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Hbthebattle
02/01/23 1:33:23 PM
#365:


im pretty sure at this point it's just igcd/ulti/lopen
it's probably just that simple

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Lopen
02/01/23 1:33:33 PM
#366:


changmas posted...
i have all the logs saved

I'm pretty sure the reason I know it was nuked is because you were being sketchy with specifics and used that as your excuse for such.

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HanOfTheNekos
02/01/23 1:33:51 PM
#367:


Hbthebattle posted...
you're comparing a 1v1 conversation to the scumcord, which presumably has more than 2 people

Yeah, that situation is different, but I still don't think it's as likely. Either way, I've been coming around on it.

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Lopen
02/01/23 1:34:15 PM
#368:


Hbthebattle posted...
HE FUCKING HAMMERED PROTECTION

HE HAMMERED PROTECTION THAT HE KNEW WAS NOT THERE TO RESPOND

Han do you think he's faking this because you said this was a towntell y/n

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htaeD
02/01/23 1:34:39 PM
#369:


Hbthebattle posted...

No, I mean,
You know how in discord when you make a post, it puts your username next to your post? My role doesn't count those (because discord search doesn't track them together, also it'd be broken)


Oh thats what I thought you tried to say, but your wording was weird.

Btw Ulti its kinda ridiculous to say you were ever in danger of being lynched

[8] Sbell - Han, (Corrik), Changmas, EDumey, Peaf, JC, Han, Hb, Red
[2] Ulti - (Sbell), (Red), Corrik, Sbell


I mean cmon

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changmas
02/01/23 1:34:41 PM
#370:


looks like in addition to me not reading 50% of your posts you are not reading 50% of mine because both Han and I have stated multiple times this game that I have the logs saved

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Lopen
02/01/23 1:35:13 PM
#371:


Hbthebattle posted...
Notice that there wasnt a shot last night.

This is your situational theory btw

Has nothing to do with hammering claimed protection

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HanOfTheNekos
02/01/23 1:36:17 PM
#372:


Lopen posted...
Han do you think he's faking this because you said this was a towntell y/n

Probably not.

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Hbthebattle
02/01/23 1:38:31 PM
#373:


you know what, no, i'm done with this. Lopen, you cannot try to fucking pretend you don't see a case on IGCD after most of this topic.
You cannot pretend to be able to switch your opinions on the drop of a hat like this. Has there been any player in the game who you haven't called scum yet?
Even for you, this is ridiculous. I think you're just scum at this point.

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htaeD
02/01/23 1:38:32 PM
#374:


I feel HB's anger enough to believe its genuine.

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changmas
02/01/23 1:39:10 PM
#375:


Hbthebattle posted...
you know what, no, i'm done with this. Lopen, you cannot try to fucking pretend you don't see a case on IGCD after most of this topic.
You cannot pretend to be able to switch your opinions on the drop of a hat like this. Has there been any player in the game who you haven't called scum yet?
Even for you, this is ridiculous. I think you're just scum at this point.

always has been

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Lopen
02/01/23 1:40:51 PM
#376:


Well anyway

Ulti
Hb
5tar
Chang at Mylo to test claim
Dumey

That's probably my order atm. You can throw me in that list wherever you want. Going to be gone for at least 7 hours so have at it.

And no I'm not saying I don't see the case on IGCD. I'm saying if I'm scanner I never push IGCD over my damning scan of Ulti. I don't buy it.

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Corrik7
02/01/23 1:41:51 PM
#377:


Can't see any reason Lopen would want to test Chang if Lopens role was what he said it was.

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Corrik7
02/01/23 1:42:15 PM
#378:


Also Changs role doesn't make sense.

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Hbthebattle
02/01/23 1:42:35 PM
#379:


isn't it odd how Lopen switches from totally believing me to calling me scum as soon as Han shows the slightest hint of disbelieving my claim? Almost like his opinions aren't genuine.

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Lopen
02/01/23 1:44:58 PM
#380:


Like playing that role as shown shows clear objectives

1. No need to generate another scan because it's worthless now. Literally 0 chance you or 5tar die before tomorrow. You claimed it was damning on Ulti but didn't act on it removing any real need to sat anything today.
2. No critical thinking on the meaning-- Han has thought about your role more than you have.
3. Bus of Ulti implicates Dumey by your logic.
4. IGCD lynch first means we don't have to try and digest meaning behind your claim until tomorrow.

Think hb was setting up IGCD -> me/Dumey victory condition.

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Lopen
02/01/23 1:46:11 PM
#381:


Hbthebattle posted...
Lopen switches from totally believing me to calling me scum as soon as Han shows the slightest hint of disbelieving my claim?

Oh shut up I showed signs of disbelieving you hours before Han got here.

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Lopen
02/01/23 1:49:07 PM
#382:


Lopen posted...
If you were just gonna vote IGCD not sure why you'd claim now. Your role's data is tainted now

Literally post after the claim.

Lopen posted...
The thing that gets me is that Hb KNOWS his role is true and is still pushing for IGCD

Ulti is 100% smoking gun there. How would you not push for Ulti. Dumey frankly IS a little high too. Dumey has been active but I don't think he's driven anything. Scum wouldn't likely mention him all that much I feel.

This morning, hours before Han

Han suggesting an alternate route for the data when you could not with 3 days for it is the thing that convinces me, but it's not sheeping Han

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Hbthebattle
02/01/23 1:51:09 PM
#383:


Lopen posted...
Ulti is the lynch unless you don't think Hb's role is true.
this was your last post before Han showed up. Now YOU dont believe me and yet you still want to lynch Ulti.

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HanOfTheNekos
02/01/23 1:51:12 PM
#384:


Anyway, state of the union.

Occulam's states the following:
  1. Scum are behind. Their Recruiter died day 2, they didn't get a kill last night. So like, at lynch yesterday, keep in mind that Scum were down two members. After no-kill tonight, endgame further out of reach.
  2. Death as Scum (recruited or otherwise) never tosses the Recruiter under the bus with a last second claim.
  3. Scum have a Neighborizer and some role that prevented Death from getting a scan off on SBell. Could be a Jack RB, odd night RB is not likely unless they shot Death and were really banking on it working. Could be an enhancer of some kind.


So with these thoughts in mind, some player-by-player thoughts.

Death - Town
Corrik - Scanned Town

IGCD - At this point (and if Hb is fully truthful), an inactive Scum IGCD does not talk much on the Scumboard, and with Scum missing one of their recruits, they need to take whatever advantage they can get. So a surprise early hammer is a decidedly Scum move.
Ulti - Tying him in with IGCD at this moment because an inactive Scumboard works directly against my idea that Ulti is Town because he didn't want to play the game. Being Scum with other people not talking would be pretty lame, especially if they say what IGCD said in this game which is "I won't be around hardly at all". Ulti also strong defending IGCD here - linked.

Hb - Claim seems pointless at this juncture, especially after Scum didn't get a kill last night and Town should want to deny any extra information to them.
5tar - As said, if Hb is telling the truth, then I find it more likely that 5tar is a member of the Scum who was just not addressed by name as opposed to never discussed. However, with an inactive Scum, they wouldn't be discussing a whole lot anyway.

Lopen - Biggest ding against Lopen right now is his desperate hard-on for getting a Doctor to claim. Like, holy shit. However, his claim would be dangerous to fake with not every claim out there, especially as he directly said he was not targeted N1. However, that doesn't mean he isn't just a passive Scum role (wow, another way in which 5tar's name wouldn't be mentioned due to night actions).

Dumey - Dumey was on my side day 2 when I was withstanding Yet Another Lopen Game, or YALGing as we're calling it from now on. He had a good tete-a-tete with Peaf earlier in the game, but as things stand, biggest support for him is sheer activity.
Chang - Chang was also on my side day 2 during the YALG, but also I had a lot of fun with him N1 so I'll admit I'm real biased in his favor. I would have to directly compare D1 and D2 Chang to see how they compare, because I still feel pretty sure Chang wasn't Scum during our chat, but could have been recruited after it. But I recall Chang doing little D1 so I'm not sure I'll find much. Also, we know there is a mechanic to be counter to Scum rushing MYLO, so I'm inclined to believe his role claim (though getting recruited negates the importance of that).

As things stand, IGCD is probably the best lynch, offhand.

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Lopen
02/01/23 1:52:19 PM
#385:


Corrik7 posted...
Can't see any reason Lopen would want to test Chang if Lopens role was what he said it was.

We test Chang because it doesn't lose us any tempo

It probably is just Ulti hb Chang but why not make us ironclad by going to Mylo first.

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Corrik7
02/01/23 1:59:35 PM
#386:


I don't see why you think a mechanic = a role.

The chances of a single role making it to end game is bleak.

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Lopen
02/01/23 2:00:52 PM
#387:


I think his role is lying

But there's also no reason to not wait till Mylo to lynch it unless you think scum has a role that powers up if they're last remaining

Like I would volunteer to be the lynch if nothing else

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htaeD
02/01/23 2:01:24 PM
#388:


Looking back Han really layed into Sbell day1. He was the first to vote him and bring major attention to him and didnt give him any mercy. Sbells responses dont read like he was prepared for this either.

Probably pointless to focus on that after I already scanned him but it helps to dispel any notions about Han maybe being a scum godfather

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Corrik7
02/01/23 2:01:33 PM
#389:


Lopen posted...
I think his role is lying

But there's also no reason to not wait till Mylo to lynch it unless you think scum has a role that powers up if they're last remaining

Like I would volunteer to be the lynch if nothing else
There is zero reason you believe you need to wait to endgame to lynch him if you were actually bulletproof.

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Lopen
02/01/23 2:01:40 PM
#390:


Like if you wanna be gutsy and not smart and Yolo we totally can

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HanOfTheNekos
02/01/23 2:02:15 PM
#391:


Corrik7 posted...
I don't see why you think a mechanic = a role.

The chances of a single role making it to end game is bleak.

I believe Chang was Town N1 and so I believe his claim.
Believing his claim does lend credence to the text provided about MYLO/LYLO rushing.

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htaeD
02/01/23 2:03:50 PM
#392:


I am getting a bad case of deja vu here with the two BP claims
"both roles cant coexist because it could lead to an unwinnable situation for scum" has been proven to not be true lately.

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Lopen
02/01/23 2:04:06 PM
#393:


Corrik7 posted...
There is zero reason you believe you need to wait to endgame to lynch him if you were actually bulletproof.

We are both conditional bulletproof that can't exist in the same gamestate. It's a completely stupid role but I'm not going to throw it out

Like if a guy I thought was town claimed it I wouldn't push for his lynch. I mostly want Chang dead because of his gameplay not his claim.

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Corrik7
02/01/23 2:04:24 PM
#394:


Lopen, let me ask you something.

How do you know when mylo is?

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Lopen
02/01/23 2:04:57 PM
#395:


htaeD posted...
"both roles cant coexist because it could lead to an unwinnable situation for scum" has been proven to not be true lately.

It actually can't

There's no way I make it to endgame without being targeted by something.

That's why the roles can exist together.

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Corrik7
02/01/23 2:05:26 PM
#396:


Lopen posted...
There's no way I make it to endgame without being targeted by something.
This is a lie. Its possible.

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Lopen
02/01/23 2:05:59 PM
#397:


Corrik7 posted...
Lopen, let me ask you something.

How do you know when mylo is?

Clearly 4 scum total in the game with the 2 recruit limit

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changmas
02/01/23 2:06:37 PM
#398:


bro can someone link me to lopen's claim already every time i ask he goes "tsk tsk u werent reading u must be scum"

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Lopen
02/01/23 2:07:07 PM
#399:


Lopen posted...
Anyway yeah really not interested in arguing with scum Chang. And if IGCD is town I don't really care if we lose anyway. If you want to save lynches Death, you can scan me tonight. I'm not actually miller.

I am

That 2 Hours Long Cutscene At The End of Chapter 5, TOWN Uninterrupted Bulletproof

I am bulletproof until targeted by a non-killing night action. I claimed miller (in addition to doing it as homage to Ben's absurd claims) in hopes town would not target me. However I was targeted Night 2 by something and as such am no longer Bulletproof.


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changmas
02/01/23 2:07:39 PM
#400:


thank you

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