Board 8 > Star Trek Mafia - Topic 7: I am not a merry man.

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Sheep007 posted...

I'm happy for everyone to answer the same question tbh, I think it's the best place for y'all to start when I die?

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Sheep007 posted...

I'm happy for everyone to answer the same question tbh, I think it's the best place for y'all to start when I die?

I understand him being in the PoE, but why is it the case that you respect him specifically enough to be in PoE, but think the others on the Chris lynch are a step too far? I don't necessarily disagree but am curious.

Wall wasn't on Chris, right? I don't think being on the Chris lynch in itself is that great. It's basically only Lea I think looks extremely town from that push. She was the prime factor and the others had vague reasoning or got on rathet late. I think Ulti and Crescent are town for different reasons, Sultan is probably town if you are.

Crescent-Moon posted...

I thought the likeliest possible scum theater (by a fair margin) was with Ulti

I thought so too at the time and actually briefly considered shooting Ulti too, but not at this stage.

I personally just think Ulti is horribly overdramatic in the best possible way and it makes everything he does look like theatre. I do think it was at the stage where he couldn't back out of the lynch once it gained traction, but I too think he's Town for separate reasons (mostly his overall vibes tbh).

ctesjbuvf posted...

I thought so too at the time and actually briefly considered shooting Ulti too, but not at this stage.

lol if youre actually vig that wouldve been ironic because death wouldve lived. I think ulti is bulletproof doctor but Im convinced hes not lying about the bulletproof part if hes scum

Bleh. I don't really like his approach to JC, I don't like his approach to Death, I'm cooling down on his vote for Chris, and he's just not given me a single crumb of good gut feelings all game. Or perhaps my internal microbiome isn't quite right and I need to down some yogurt to heal the flora, who knows. Either way, sticking this down here for posterity because I strongly believe Han should be looked at tomorrow, hopefully more to come when I'm done reading through the JC-as-Town lens.

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Sheep007 posted...

I don't have anything in particular aimed at you, Sultan but here's where I'm standing:

I think Scum is probably in MZero/Dumey/Han/BCT. To what extent do you agree, if I flip Town here?

Han is the only one I dont have on my list.

Interesting theater idea with him though 2 player that high profile could putt it off. But I haven't seem anything to make me really question Han

Okay, let's flip that on its head, Sultan.

What have you seen beyond the vote on Chris to make you trust Han, if I flip Town?

One thing though, for Han to be scum requires yesterday to have been a town/scum/scum split where the scum were voting each other.

Sheep007 posted...

but if you take anything from my flip, I'd like it to be that y'all should look harder at Han. He is possibly the most eminently capable of lynching Scum Chris and regardless of what happens this game, he can't be allowed to go free of suspicion going forwards.

See, Town Sheep would never say something so bad.

Here you go, Sheep. I'll play ball.

Turn and look at a wall.

Approach it.

Slam your head into it as hard as you can.

Do it again.

Twice more.

Now stop being weak and smack your head into it for real.

Then tell me I would do that in a mafia game on purpose.

Crescent-Moon posted...

One thing though, for Han to be scum requires yesterday to have been a town/scum/scum split where the scum were voting each other.

^^^

han also voted Chris before crescent and bct

I know the moment I say this Dumey will shout "WIFOM" but I look the best out of anyone after Chris's flip.

wallmasterz posted...

lol if youre actually vig that wouldve been ironic because death wouldve lived. I think ulti is bulletproof doctor but Im convinced hes not lying about the bulletproof part if hes scum

Well, yes. I did consider that I might be shooting into scum bulletproof. But mostly I was just completely wrong about Death.

Well I look like the cutest so there.

Crescent-Moon posted...

One thing though, for Han to be scum requires yesterday to have been a town/scum/scum split where the scum were voting each other.

I think it's important to make it clear that Chris was not present when it became split this way, though. Han's vote made it so that, if either is Scum, the other looks damn good. He could easily, easily have justified staying on Death with the way his D1 went - his vote (and yours at the time, actually) both made me think Chris was almost certainly Town at the deadline, just because of how much they shocked me.

Also Ulti calling me an ovine basically confirms him as Town in my eyes.

Sheep007 posted...

Okay, let's flip that on its head, Sultan.

What have you seen beyond the vote on Chris to make you trust Han, if I flip Town?

He has looked pretty similar to he usually acts seeing him scum game recently unless he truly adapted idk.

Plus the way him and Chris were bounching off each other so much that be alot if theater.

Han today has been a little less aggressive but I think he is in the camp of we got scum locked here so hard to say if that changes much.

Sheep007 posted...

I think it's important to make it clear that Chris was not present when it became split this way, though. Han's vote made it so that, if either is Scum, the other looks damn good. He could easily, easily have justified staying on Death with the way his D1 went - his vote (and yours at the time, actually) both made me think Chris was almost certainly Town at the deadline, just because of how much they shocked me.

Meanwhile your vote on Han didn't feel right to me at all, as stated before.

But basically I voted Chris to save Death, which got me scanned and got Death vigged anyway.

No good deed goes unpunished to the max!

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Plus the way him and Chris were bounching off each other so much that be alot if theater.

That's not theater, that's self-harm. Not to the level of dealing with Lopen, but having to deal with accusations from Scum that were also bad to the level I did?

It's laughable.

Anyway, death throes from a Scum Sheep, so w/e

I feel Han has been pretty aggressive personally but then I am said scum you believe to be locked!

I don't think JC and MZisquen being scum together makes a lot of sense. Very weird for Scum to come in with a soft defence of other scum (who has done literally nothing) in their first (already pretty strange post). Don't think it changes all that much in the long run, but if JC does flip Scum while the latter is still alive, I think Isquen should be given more of a chance than I think he perhaps might be afforded.

So for ulti to be scum. He had to of bussed Chris which I think with the weird flip flop could have been possible in this hypothetical and scum doesn't send in a kill and Ulti plays up the doctor angle. And got lucky Ctes also sent in a shot.

Blah my brain hurts thinking about this senerio

In this senerio JC Ulti scum team would be my guess JC is only confirmed thought Ulti and thus this would make sense.

Again hypothetical ( I can't just throw these out without saying this and people take it to to seriously)

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I know the moment I say this Dumey will shout "WIFOM" but I look the best out of anyone after Chris's flip.

Technically I think Lea looks the best, but I guess you're a close second. :)

Regarding the scum theater thing from earlier, I did previously talk about Chris riling up Ulti and Han and then trying to escape to Sultan before, so it's not really a new concept from Sheep. But as long as Ulti isn't counter claimed, I don't think it's really worth pursuing. I don't think Han is scum.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

That's not theater, that's self-harm. Not to the level of dealing with Lopen, but having to deal with accusations from Scum that were also bad to the level I did?

It's laughable.

Anyway, death throes from a Scum Sheep, so w/e

Cool. Where's Scum when I flip Town, Han? I don't care if you have a tracker scan and saw me walk up to Chris' corpse and try to resuscitate him, I still want you to think about who on that lynch is capable of pulling the wool over everyone's eyes.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

scum doesn't send in a kill and Ulti plays up the doctor angle. And got lucky Ctes also sent in a shot.

He can't just "plays up the doctor angle." Claiming Doctor with no protection revealed or killed would be specifically asking for a 1 for 1, in a small game, where scum is already behind. It would be an insane trade to make. As much as I want Ulti to be scum here, it's very unlikely at this point.

EDumey posted...

Technically I think Lea looks the best, but I guess you're a close second. :)

Regarding the scum theater thing from earlier, I did previously talk about Chris riling up Ulti and Han and then trying to escape to Sultan before, so it's not really a new concept from Sheep. But as long as Ulti isn't counter claimed, I don't think it's really worth pursuing. I don't think Han is scum.

True that is another insane level to make ulti scum to bank on him not being countered

EDumey posted...

He can't just "plays up the doctor angle." Claiming Doctor with no protection revealed or killed would be specifically asking for a 1 for 1, in a small game, where scum is already behind. It would be an insane trade to make. As much as I want Ulti to be scum here, it's very unlikely at this point.

My brain hurt trying to entertain it soo lol yeah

Sheep007 posted...

Cool. Where's Scum when I flip Town, Han? I don't care if you have a tracker scan and saw me walk up to Chris' corpse and try to resuscitate him, I still want you to think about who on that lynch is capable of pulling the wool over everyone's eyes.

I've already answered this.

I think Ulti is probably the most confirmed person in the game. I'm probably gonna make a list of some sort before today, because classically my lists have actually been pretty strong, plus I feel like it's in the spirit of today after I attempted to do two separate searches on JC in this game for two hours and rotted the fuck out of my brain. Also it's just more accessible and more likely to have people listen to me after I die which is, I feel, the only purpose of this other than wasting an utterly miserable three hours to marginally affect the rest of the game. Hope it's bloody worth it for y'all when it's D6 and you're all desperately thinking "gee, wonder what Sheep would do here?"

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Han's vote put Chris in the lead by one and my vote basically cemented it. Death led for all but the last 63 seconds of the day.

Well, the end of the day.

Crescent-Moon posted...

Han's vote put Chris in the lead by one and my vote basically cemented it. Death led for all but the last 63 seconds of the day.

This is why BCTs vote looks the worst objectively

Bleh. I'm at the same point in my ISO as Lea is mentioning, and yeah, Han's vote is way, way more of a swing point than I felt it was even at the time. I don't think it's impossible for him to do, but I need a quick rethink.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

This is why BCTs vote looks the worst objectively

It was with one second left after Chris' death was already sealed, correct.

If I seriously get lynched D2 with a scumteam of like Dumey/BCT/MZero I am going to be more upset with myself than I already am.

Sheep007 posted...

Bleh. I'm at the same point in my ISO as Lea is mentioning, and yeah, Han's vote is way, way more of a swing point than I felt it was even at the time. I don't think it's impossible for him to do, but I need a quick rethink.

It's only possible if you think me and Chris are both complete morons.

If we're setting against each other, we find a way to get Town lynched there at end of day. Then we continue self-harming ourselves into Day 2. Then whichever of us lives looks great.

I'm not great at Scum! But I get strategy.

Like no slander to those three I respect them but also they have not lifted a fuckin finger here

Question would scum sheep try to throw a hail Mary here or bus a team mate?

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Question would scum sheep try to throw a hail Mary here or bus a team mate?

He'd just totally fakespew so someone would ask a question like this.

I can at least assure you it's not me!

Also it's not like I haven't engaged with your posts at all. I asked Han for clarification on what he was sussing you on before, but then went and found it myself because he wasn't able to respond at the time. I added additional context. I'm not just sheeping the common sentiment.

I admit I am slightly paranoid but this is significantly offset by the fact that this guy basically did nothing all day until there were 2 1/2 hours left.

Oh and he's spent way too much time on JC for some reason.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

It's only possible if you think me and Chris are both complete morons.

If we're setting against each other, we find a way to get Town lynched there at end of day. Then we continue self-harming ourselves into Day 2. Then whichever of us lives looks great.

I'm not great at Scum! But I get strategy.

I am going to save most of the self-deprecation for the post-game, but yeah, the more I think about it the more it makes less sense and was a kinda stupid idea. I'm sorry for being so paranoid towards you this game, I can't even explain it in a way that will make sense to you or anyone, the rational part of my brain knows it is probably unfounded but it still feels wrong to think you are Town.

Crescent-Moon posted...

I admit I am slightly paranoid but this is significantly offset by the fact that this guy basically did nothing all day until there were 2 1/2 hours left.

Oh and he's spent way too much time on JC for some reason.

It's because JC would have been the counter-lynch to him, unless we'd actually gut Isquen which, tbf, we probably still will.

I'm finishing up dinner, then I'm going to probably give last thoughts for the day before I leave to play Mario.

Look, I've tried, Crescent. I'm sorry but this is all I have had in me this game, I have genuinely put every hour I have been able to into this and come out with almost nothing. I wish there was more to show for it more than anyone.

Meow

HanOfTheNekos posted...

It's because JC would have been the counter-lynch to him, unless we'd actually gut Isquen which, tbf, we probably still will.

I'm finishing up dinner, then I'm going to probably give last thoughts for the day before I leave to play Mario.

Somehow we didn't special MZero yesterday. Clearly the remedy is to special his replacement.

Also I was referring to him talking so much about JC now.

Thank you Lea. I'm doing alright and will probably post some stuff in dead chat so everyone can understand afterwards because I don't like talking about personal stuff in active games, might not be around for postgame but I am and will be okay.

I'm gonna have a list to go out for the end and hopefully it will be a little help or something to base the start of tomorrow off? And if anyone does have questions for me, now is probably the time to ask and I will answer to the best of my ability given the time we have left.