Poll of the Day > Trump got indicted

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Jen0125 posted...

So you believe you know more than the grand jury who saw the evidence you have no idea of?

No no, you don't understand. All of this is just being made up by the news to push their sensationalist anti-Trump agenda, just like Jan 6th!

Chick fil a near me was flying their American flag at half mast today, is that because of Trump?

probably, chik fil a is owned by hyper-religious/conservative scumbags

Their food doesn't even taste that good. I went to a Chick-fil-A when I visited some family in America last year. It was sorely mediocre.

Jen0125 posted...

So you believe you know more than the grand jury who saw the evidence you have no idea of?

Did the grand jury even make the decision? I heard they had been sent home to take a break. They weren't suppose to convene again for a month.

chelle posted...

I remember SKARD trying to argue that he wasn't a fan of Trump and wasn't a republican/conservative/extremist.

No, I am a fan of Trump but also admit that there are things to criticize him about. Particularly the people he surrounded himself with while in office.
My disdain for republicans is almost as much as my disdain for democrats.
Conservative? I don't know. Is that a synonym for liberal?
Extremist? I think I'm rather moderate.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Did the grand jury even make the decision? I heard they had been sent home to take a break. They weren't suppose to convene again for a month.

... Yes they made the decision. Why do you have an opinion on something you haven't even paid attention to?

Tho to be fair he's committed so many crimes there are more than one grand jury convened to review them at this point in different states. Prob too much for you to actually keep up with but not too much for you to keep quiet in your ignorance about.

You know? It has long since ceased to amuse me how many people consider themselves moderate when they are anything but. Did you ever take a political test from a reputable source and draw a conclusion from your result? Have you ever felt the universe revolved around you?

Entity13 posted...

You know? It has long since ceased to amuse me how many people consider themselves moderate when they are anything but. Did you ever take a political test from a reputable source and draw a conclusion from your result? Have you ever felt the universe revolved around you?

Idk how he can say he's moderate with a straight face. Some people are truly delusional.

Entity13 posted...

It has long since ceased to amuse me how many people consider themselves moderate when they are anything but. Did you ever take a political test from a reputable source and draw a conclusion from your result?

I remember someone linked to a political compass test in a topic on this board maybe 2 years back. I don't know if it was reputable or not. My results were just about dead center of the X axis and 1/8 up from liberal on the Y axis. It seemed fairly accurate to me.

Entity13 posted...

Have you ever felt the universe revolved around you?

No, I haven't. Does it make me more or less moderate to have never experienced that?

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

My disdain for republicans is almost as much as my disdain for democrats.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

I am a fan of Trump

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Conservative? I don't know. Is that a synonym for liberal?

no? stop being disingenuous, you know full well what it means.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Extremist? I think I'm rather moderate.

lmfao my guy

the next cliche you're going to pull is the "we aren't a democracy we are a democratic republic" bit

but what those idiots who say that don't know

is that a democratic republic

is what a democracy is.

ConfusedTorchic posted...

no? stop being disingenuous, you know full well what it means.

I legitimately do not. The word holds absolutely no meaning to me and I am perpetually confused about how it relates to politics. The opposite of liberty is authority. Given how it's used in conversation conservative seems to refer to defending liberties. Ironically when talking about liberals it sounds very authoritarian.

ConfusedTorchic posted...

the next cliche you're going to pull is the "we aren't a democracy we are a democratic republic" bit

I don't know what the difference is either.

Thank you for admitting you don't know.
Most people don't understand liberalism or socialism when they are conservative cause they don't understand they're the extreme.
Despite how much people call the democrats socialist, they're actually quite moderate. Obama bailed out businesses...that's very conservative for someone called a socialist.

pedro45 posted...

Obama bailed out businesses...that's very conservative for someone called a socialist.

So the businesses didn't just fail on their own merits. Obama made their failure everone's failure and took everyone's money to pay for that failure. That sounds like socialism to me. I'm not in favor of bail outs.

even if trump is paying someone to post on twitter
indicted and indicated are so very different terms that even the moderately educated should understand how dumb that post is

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

So the businesses didn't just fail on their own merits. Obama made their failure everone's failure and took everyone's money to pay for that failure. That sounds like socialism to me. I'm not in favor of bail outs.

I'm not even sure how to respond to that...
Do you not remember our economy going in to Trump? Like shoot dude, what do you want a government of the people to do, not govern? Sounds like you might take a lot of our society for granted.

pedro45 posted...

what do you want a government of the people to do, not govern?

That is like the quintessential conservative viewpoint
Also, "socialism is when the government does things I don't like!"

pedro45 posted...

Obama bailed out businesses...that's very conservative

Zareth posted...

That is like the quintessential conservative viewpoint

You two hash it out. Let me know when you determine which position is conservative.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

I legitimately do not. The word holds absolutely no meaning to me and I am perpetually confused about how it relates to politics. The opposite of liberty is authority. Given how it's used in conversation conservative seems to refer to defending liberties. Ironically when talking about liberals it sounds very authoritarian.

I don't know what the difference is either.

my brother in christ if you are willfully admitting your ignorance on something, don't try and argue about it

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

So the businesses didn't just fail on their own merits. Obama made their failure everone's failure and took everyone's money to pay for that failure. That sounds like socialism to me. I'm not in favor of bail outs.

"Everything I don't like is socialism!"

Conservatives have always been about redistributing wealth to the richest people in the country and you know it.

ConfusedTorchic posted...

if you are willfully admitting your ignorance on something, don't try and argue about it

Have I? One person says government intervention is conservative. Another says not wanting government intervention is conservative. I'd like them to reach a consensus on that before claiming I'm conservative. Once they do then I'll see how well that describes my views.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Conservatives have always been about redistributing wealth to the richest people in the country and you know it.

Oh, so Biden is conservative then?

Actually, yes. A lot of the Dem politicians are conservative, and oh so many of the Republicans are regressive. No, really, if your aim as a group is to move things backwards, against the wishes of the vast majority of the developed world, you're not conserving anything so much as regressing.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Oh, so Biden is conservative then?

Yes

So it's THIS Tuesday he's getting arrested?
Saw an article saying that but not sure how reliable

Oh wow Trump's Truthsocial is more unhinged than his Twitter ever was!! This is gold

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump

Ferarri619 posted...

Oh wow Trump's Truthsocial is more unhinged than his Twitter ever was!! This is gold

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump

Love how he claims that the judge they hired hates him and yet his own lawyer came out and said he doesnt. XD

Ferarri619 posted...

So it's THIS Tuesday he's getting arrested?
Saw an article saying that but not sure how reliable

Supposedly he is going up to Trump Tower tonight and then to the courthouse tomorrow, according to his post on his site anyway.

SeahorseCpt89 posted...

Love how he claims that the judge they hired hates him and yet his own lawyer came out and said he doesnt. XD

His lawyer's probably expecting to need a new job soon, since I can't imagine Trump will take a failure to defend him (no matter how obviously doomed that effort is) particularly well. With that in mind, he might as well try to avoid burning bridges.

Entity13 posted...

Actually, yes. A lot of the Dem politicians are conservative, and oh so many of the Republicans are regressive. No, really, if your aim as a group is to move things backwards, against the wishes of the vast majority of the developed world, you're not conserving anything so much as regressing.

Mhm.

If conservatives stayed in power, and they actually conserved instead of regressed, we would still be in the confederate times. Women wouldn't vote, women would have no body autonomy, kids would be working in coal mines, schools wouldn't exist, basic technology infrastructure wouldn't exist, slaves would still exist.

Every single thing that you take for granted is because of progressives. You could argue that they're mostly regressive now, which I would agree with because their idea of conservative is unchanged: they want it to be like it was in the 1800's again.

chelle posted...

Mhm.

If conservatives stayed in power, and they actually conserved instead of regressed, we would still be in the confederate times. Women wouldn't vote, women would have no body autonomy, kids would be working in coal mines, schools wouldn't exist, basic technology infrastructure wouldn't exist, slaves would still exist.

Every single thing that you take for granted is because of progressives. You could argue that they're mostly regressive now, which I would agree with because their idea of conservative is unchanged: they want it to be like it was in the 1800's again.

We stopped kids working in mines and now the most popular game is Minecraft. They long for the mines.

I have to ruin my joke by pointing out it's a joke or I would probably get modded because that's how potd is now

Tomorrow ~~

Ferarri619 posted...

Oh wow Trump's Truthsocial is more unhinged than his Twitter ever was!! This is gold

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump

Of course it is. Its his site so there's no repercussions for him.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/3/9/4/AAQwHjAAEWaq.jpg

34 felony counts of falsifying business records. Well its a start. I wonder how long it will be until he causes so much shit for the judge that they gag order and jail him until the trial.

papercup posted...

34 felony counts of falsifying business records. Well its a start.

They sent Al Capone to Alcatraz for tax evasion.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/7/2/0/AAQwHjAAEWfw.jpg

Akron Beacon Journal, April 10, 1935

How was the protest?

If everything goes perfectly from here by 2031 he'll be under house arrest with a full staff dedicated to serving his every need, justice at last

Blightzkrieg posted...

If everything goes perfectly from here by 2031 he'll be under house arrest with a full staff dedicated to serving his every need, justice at last

US justice at its finest!

Entity13 posted...

A lot of the Dem politicians are conservative, and oh so many of the Republicans are regressive.

This is what confuses me. I keep hearing that republicans are conservative but I don't know what that's referring to. Also I keep hearing that democrats are liberal but they seem to be very much the opposite. These words mean nothing in the context they are used. Further the context conveys that these are conflicting positions but digging into their intended meaning I would expect people to hold both values.

As it is republicans utterly fail at doing anything to oppose democrats. Meanwhile democrats will harp on about people being oppressed while being the ones doing the oppressing.

In regard to which of them are regressive, allow to me to point out that the ones calling themselves "progressives" keep advocating for a return to racial segregation.

papercup posted...

34 felony counts of falsifying business records. Well its a start.

Is that a crime? I'm not aware of a law that says business records must be accurate. Before people say I'm being disingenuous again, I really don't know what law he supposedly broke.

Blightzkrieg posted...

If everything goes perfectly from here by 2031 he'll be under house arrest with a full staff dedicated to serving his every need, justice at last

Under house arrest in the white house. 8 more years.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Under house arrest in the white house. 8 more years

https://youtu.be/kPPgFa0MfEU

SeahorseCpt89 posted...

How was the protest?

https://www.theguardian.com/us- news/2023/apr/04/trump-protests-reaction-new-york-court

(Delete the space before news)

Ill answer my own question: hilariously anticlimactic. XD

Blightzkrieg posted...

If everything goes perfectly from here by 2031 he'll be under house arrest with a full staff dedicated to serving his every need, justice at last

As long as he can't play golf, he'll be in hell

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

As it is republicans utterly fail at doing anything to oppose democrats.

*cue laugh track*

Hey someone had to, Zeus is MIA

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Under house arrest in the white house. 8 more years.

How am I not surprised Skard doesn't know the constitution.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Is that a crime? I'm not aware of a law that says business records must be accurate. Before people say I'm being disingenuous again, I really don't know what law he supposedly broke.

Using campaign money to pay somebody off? Yes thats obviously illegal. If you dont understand why thats illegal theres no hope for you. But if youre actually genuinely curious what the law is, you have the entire volume of human knowledge available at your fingertips, you are more than welcome to read up on the law.

papercup posted...

Using campaign money to pay somebody off? Yes thats obviously illegal. If you dont understand why thats illegal theres no hope for you. But if youre actually genuinely curious what the law is, you have the entire volume of human knowledge available at your fingertips, you are more than welcome to read up on the law.

I'm going to assume the actual law won't pop up in Google searches. It will just be news results about Trump.

Revelation34 posted...

I'm going to assume the actual law won't pop up in Google searches. It will just be news results about Trump.

I just googled "what happens when you assume" Guess what google said?

"When you assume, you make an ass out of you and me."

papercup posted...

Using campaign money to pay somebody off? Yes thats obviously illegal.

From what I've seen the discussion is surrounding the falsifying of business records to mask other crimes. But no indication what those other crimes are.

Maybe two adults had sex. Not a crime.
Maybe one adult was paid not to talk about it. Not a crime.

Before the indictment the reporting was that the lawyer took it upon himself to pay the porn star and he either wasn't reimbursed or included it among the other legal fees without telling Trump specifically what he was paying for. As such campaign money wasn't used for that purpose.

If that's the case then business records weren't falsified since to the best knowledge of the people keeping those records everything was spent exactly how the records say it was.

I didn't care who Bill Clinton got involved with. I don't care now that it's Trump. Without a better explanation of exactly what law was broken it sounds like they're making a big deal out of nothing just because Trump says mean things. And to the people that want him prosecuted saying mean things is worse than what they charged him with.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

poop

https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/74a68faf-fccb-4d65-91e3-479c81df590d.pdf

the full indictment

https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/84fba797-216a-490c-b75d-d77bca6d10f3.pdf

the statement of facts

educate yourself please, it's ridiculous that you keep arguing shit that you freely admit to knowing fuck all about.

ConfusedTorchic posted...

the full indictment

That first one is just the same 2 paragraphs 34 times with different dates and voucher numbers. It does not give any indication as to what information is false. How there was intent to defraud, intent to commit another crime, or how it aids and conceals the commission of a crime. Or what other crime.

ConfusedTorchic posted...

the statement of facts

Is there something specific you would like to draw my attention to? Otherwise I could go sentence by sentence and pick apart how it fails to convey a better understanding of the issues I already outlined.

For example:
This payment was illegal, and Lawyer A has since pleaded guilty to making an illegal campaign contribution and served time in prison.

So it was illegal because it was considered a campaign contribution. Which further verifies it was the lawyers own money. The purpose it was used for wasn't illegal. It being viewed as a campaign contribution is what made it illegal.