Poll of the Day > Trump got indicted

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Metalsonic66 posted...

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Still won't do it. The position he wishes to hold requires him to maintain a state of intentional ignorance.

Or... giving me any sort of explanation would be great. I keep hearing he paid hush money. So what? What law does that break? And before you say he didn't want them to expose some other crime, the things he didn't want them to talk about weren't illegal. He just felt embarrassed.

read the fucking documents

that's the explanation

and now it's up to trump to prove he did not break these laws, this does not detract from the fact that that is the laws he broke.

what laws did he break?

read the fucking documents.

how did he break the laws?

read the fucking documents.

how does he plan to fight these accusations?

read the fucking documents.

it's all in there.

you're literally asking - demanding - that we just copy paste the fucking thing. that's absurd. stop being so blatantly and obviously disingenuous just because you don't get any fucking attention in real life that's positive.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Or... giving me any sort of explanation would be great. I keep hearing he paid hush money. So what? What law does that break? And before you say he didn't want them to expose some other crime, the things he didn't want them to talk about weren't illegal. He just felt embarrassed.

You've gotten the explanations you just keep ignoring everything and going "Not good enough and I refuse to read the stuff I keep asking you to show me!"

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Or... giving me any sort of explanation would be great. I keep hearing he paid hush money. So what? What law does that break? And before you say he didn't want them to expose some other crime, the things he didn't want them to talk about weren't illegal. He just felt embarrassed.

For the love of Christ, Buddha, and every other deity, please shut the fuck up already.

Zareth posted...

*cue laugh track*

Hey someone had to, Zeus is MIA

The difference being Zeus likes to do it whenever someone speaks the truth that totally works against his/Fox's/Putin's propagand-- I mean viewpoints. Whoops.

Meanwhile on the news...

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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

If that's the case then business records weren't falsified since to the best knowledge of the people keeping those records everything was spent exactly how the records say it was.

Unless there's credible evidence that somebody deliberately deceived the record-keepers in a way that they couldn't reasonably be expected to see through, taking "I didn't know my employee committed fraud for my benefit" at face value is quite hopelessly gullible. It quite often works in court, as corporations often deliberately engineer plausible deniability into any wrongdoing so they can throw a bottom-rung employee under the bus and claim not to have known anything about it, but absolutely everybody (except you, apparently) knows that's bullshit and that they're only able to get away with it because they hid the evidence well enough.

That bullshit is a prime example of why bottom-wrung employees should always keep their receipts and make record of every boss interaction. Show that the deniability is, in fact, bullshit every time. Oh, do bosses not like that? Tough.

adjl posted...

but absolutely everybody (except you, apparently) knows that's bullshit and that they're only able to get away with it because they hid the evidence well enough.

I tend to disagree with the talking heads on CNN yet they raised the same issues I did. So everybody except me, and the biased news media I oppose.

BlackScythe0 posted...

You've gotten the explanations you just keep ignoring everything and going "Not good enough and I refuse to read the stuff I keep asking you to show me!"

What do you expect out of a Trump supporter? These tactics are straight out of The Narcissist's Guide to Gaslighting handbook. There is literally nothing you can say to these people that will convince them that they voted for the wrong person. There's no point in trying. No matter what Trump says or does, they will stick by him just because he pisses off Democrats.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

I tend to disagree with the talking heads on CNN yet they raised the same issues I did.

Did they raise them as support for their belief that he's innocent, or did they just say that that's the defense he's going with as a statement of the facts?

adjl posted...

Did they raise them as support for their belief that he's innocent, or did they just say that that's the defense he's going with as a statement of the facts?

I think you know the answer.

BlackScythe0 posted...

I think you know the answer.

I can guess, but I really do want to help him understand the ways in which he's misunderstanding the world.

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Basically any politics thread is a conservative going in and saying crazy stuff until they get banned for something offensive and everyone piling on them because there isn't really anything else to discuss in the thread.

Unless you've taken Trump as your lord and savior there isn't really any reason to have questions or objections to someone who is overtly criminal like himself having legal trouble.

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Two points...

adjl posted...

Unless there's credible evidence that somebody deliberately deceived the record-keepers

In the US there is suppose to be a presumption of innocence. Trump's lawyers don't have to prove the records keepers were deceived. The prosecution has to prove that the records were false and the record keepers knew what they entered was false.

Before you say read the documents. Those documents make assertions. Those assertions will have to be proven to a jury. The proof of those assertions is not in those documents.

adjl posted...

Did they raise them as support for their belief that he's innocent, or did they just say that that's the defense he's going with as a statement of the facts?

They were talking about how underwhelming the indictment was. They were hoping for a crime so obvious even I would be unable to put up an argument. What I agree with CNN on is how weak of a case it appears to be.

Originally I thought the reporting was treating me like an idiot. Not giving me anything substantive that could be used to persuade someone to their way of thinking. Just expecting me accept what they say without putting a single thought into it. I admit I was wrong. Turns out that's how the DA is treating the reporters.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

In the US there is suppose to be a presumption of innocence.

Why do conservatives only say this when it's someone who clearly did it but happens to align with them politically?

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BlackScythe0 posted...

Why do conservatives only say this when it's someone who clearly did it but happens to align with them politically?

*regressives

And it's a "Laws for thee, not for me" type of attitude, largely. Largely also, pack mentality, in which they belong to a group and throw their identity behind an entire cause, flaws and all; except there are no flaws to be found here. Everyone else commits sins and crimes, but not us (cue their politicians, financial backers, and religious leaders getting caught left and right on a weekly basis, give or take). Everyone else makes laws that screw over the Republican voters, but not us (cue their politicians creating such laws at every opportunity, and how it would suck for the opposition if a Republican ran under false pretense of being a Democrat and then lol "Hey, I'm changing my party" after winning a seat). The obstruction and hypocrisy runs deeper than the Earth's iron and nickel core.

The best everyone else can do is invite their misguided lambs to see better pastures, safe of disingenuous wolves that will eat each other. But good luck to anyone here wanting to do that any longer. We've all sat through Zeus, Skar, et al., for years and are probably fatigued to say the least.

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I guess this is too subtle for me. I don't get your meaning. Nor is that my position on abortion.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Why do conservatives only say this when it's someone who clearly did it but happens to align with them politically?

I don't know. Ask a conservative. I've been rather consistent about it regardless of who the accused person is.

Entity13 posted...

Largely also, pack mentality, in which they belong to a group and throw their identity behind an entire cause, flaws and all; except there are no flaws to be found here. Everyone else commits sins and crimes, but not us

This is what I've been saying for a while. Accuse Trump of withholding funds to Ukraine unless they cooperate with a demand, there's video of Biden bragging about doing the same thing as VP, that's why Trump wanted to investigate. But it's okay when Biden did it.

Make a big deal about Trump holding onto classified documents in a locked cabinet in a locked room. But it's fine when Biden is found with classified documents he's held onto from the time he was a senator that were kept in a garage.

Trump is a cult leader though. Nobody worships Biden. Comparing apples and orangemen here.

kind9 posted...

Trump is a cult leader though. Nobody worships Biden. Comparing apples and orangemen here.

I disagree. Biden won because enough people wanted to anti-elect Trump. Trump won because enough people wanted to anti-elect Clinton. Neither won because they were that popular a candidate. They both relied on the disdain rallied against their opponent. If another figure like DeSantis became the forefront of calling out the opposition then Trump would be discarded just like Clinton was discarded for Biden.

It's pretty much a nothing burger right now. Trump is essentially charged with covering up a felony, but the DA does not even state what the felony is in thier indictment. It suspected to be something along the lines of election fraud, but even the feds didn't want to prosecute that & that is more within thier jurisdiction. Regardless, the trial is not even set to be aired until December. I can see why the news media is pissed, there is nothing to go off here.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

In the US there is suppose to be a presumption of innocence. Trump's lawyers don't have to prove the records keepers were deceived. The prosecution has to prove that the records were false and the record keepers knew what they entered was false.

And therein lies the "it often holds up in court because hiding evidence and throwing bottom-rung employees under the bus is easy" part that you cropped out of that quote. That changes nothing about how gullible you have to be to believe "I didn't know my employee was spending the money that I gave him for something that overwhelmingly benefited me" in a more colloquial sense.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

They were talking about how underwhelming the indictment was. They were hoping for a crime so obvious even I would be unable to put up an argument. What I agree with CNN on is how weak of a case it appears to be.

So CNN is included in saying "everyone knows that's bullshit," as opposed to agreeing with you in believing what Trump claims. "This is going to be hard to prove in court" is very different from "I believe he's innocent."

it truly blows my mind how much time you all waste arguing politics online lol

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Make a big deal about Trump holding onto classified documents in a locked cabinet in a locked room

It was made into a big deal because it was substantially worse than that. That's how Biden and Pence had them.

Trump had them everywhere and refused, fully refused, to give the documents back after they were discovered to be missing. Something no one else has done.

This is where I will be referring to your new moniker: Disingenuous Lad.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Trump won because enough people wanted to anti-elect Clinton.

Nope. He won in large part because some people thought it would be funny to vote for him, not realizing how much their vote actually counted. The same sort of thing happened with the Brexit vote. Allegedly 10k votes had been cast for Harambe as well, but I seem to recall there being no actual evidence of those votes existing?

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

This is what I've been saying for a while. Accuse Trump of withholding funds to Ukraine unless they cooperate with a demand, there's video of Biden bragging about doing the same thing as VP, that's why Trump wanted to investigate. But it's okay when Biden did it.

For starters, this isn't about Biden's wrongdoings. Let's make no secret that the majority of voters didn't actually want Biden, and think he's both unfit for office and representing of the established politics we'd all love to do without. Unfortunately, he was forced on us like we were a bunch of underage girls, and our choices were between two creepy old men with bad habits, and ONE of them was using the system to try and escape justice by way of the statute of limitations that had yet to pass.

See, now that Trump is not in office, and the Republicans see Trump can be beaten in the polls, the more reasonable politicians among them are less inclined to defend him or give Trump a pass, while the MAGA cultists among them, like Greene, will do such things as doxing a judge's daughter or close to it so the non-seated MAGA crowd could . . . late's say intimidate said judge who's supposed to preside unbiased in a case against Trump.

Let me assure you that if Biden were in court, only the established politicians would cry about it. The "liberals" (read: everyone left of clinically insane) would be like "Cool, justice is happening. Who else have we got?" Alas, too many moderates and leftists might be optimistic that the Dems would see that Biden's faculties are too far gone, or his habits too wayward from acceptable behavior, to let him run for another term. Established politicians are too in-the-box with their thinking, and would pick another familiar old person who might have been good for the country back in the 70s or 80s but not today - 40 to 50 years later.

No, your whataboutism with Biden does not work. We'd all, save that dying circle of farts, would gladly see Biden answer for his own injustices if not for statutes of limitations that have passed, his failing faculties making him less of the person who should be charged, or the fact that a strong case could not be built against him beyond a comment or two you believe he made. Several cases were made against Trump, a known conman and narcissist who refuses to cooperate with the law. That is why we're here.

Entity13 posted...

Allegedly 10k votes had been cast for Harambe as well, but I seem to recall there being no actual evidence of those votes existing?

The real election fraud problem we need to be investigating. Dicks out, everyone. The road to justice is long and hard.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Make a big deal about Trump holding onto classified documents in a locked cabinet in a locked room.

You're lying. That is not where they were kept and you know it.

Technically his bathroom could have been a locked room, and you could argue that the toilet was "locked" after he tried to flush them.

Good hes a loser who makes my life miserable

He posted "WORLD WAR III" on social media today.
Truly a mentally sound and competent individual.

I'm sure the US Military is so glad he's not in power right now.

Took em long enough.