Board 8 > Tekken Mafia Topic 7 - Death by Degrees

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Leafeon13N posted...

Isquen really needed to not hold his info for another night. Going to be very limited on time to react to something that should have been out long ago

I don't need to "hold my info" since he confirmed it. I spotted Corrik at plum's last night.

Isquen posted...

More likely one of the extra protection claims is telling a half truth and is a hider or something, while another one or two is flat-out BS.

There is not another scanner if you believe mzero is town, just fyi.

Hmm

As far as I know nothing bad happened to me

Isquen posted...

I don't need to "hold my info" since he confirmed it. I spotted Corrik at plum's last night.

Dont know why you held this. Corrik is smart enough to not lie if he targeted plum and most scum saw your scan.

Looking over the rules, i definitely have some paranoia with poison being grouped up with strongman. Poison isn't usually something considered unblockable so that it would have odd priority makes me worry it is implemented in the game somehow.

Leafeon13N posted...

Dont know why you held this. Corrik is smart enough to not lie if he targeted plum and most scum saw your scan.

Dont know why you're pretending like you didnt already know, Chloe.

Isquen posted...

Dont know why you're pretending like you didnt already know, Chloe.

You were talking like you could confirm someone town and it was some big mystery.

Instead you had...basically nothing.

It should be pretty easy to confirm poison. If corrik protects me again tonight I basically can't die.

If I do then huge red flags

We are going to make this super simple. Tonight, Dumey you go to Plum. Mzero you scan plum. Isquen you watch plum. Plum you save Isquen. I'll save Plum.

Let's see who is lying. If you aren't seen by isquen, you are a liar.

Just kidding.

Votals
[2] Kirby - Lea, Dumey
[1] Death - Plum, (Isquen), (Kirby)
[1] IGCD - Death, (Lea)
[1] Abacus - Isquen
[1] Lea - (IGCD), (Kirby), Kirby
[0] Dumey - (Isquen)
[0] Hb - (Isquen)
[0] Plum - (IGCD)

With 11 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch. Day ends Thursday at 6pm EST, a bit less than 11 hours from now.

Shouldn't someone target Dumey just to see if they get redirected from him to Plum?

Can we lynch Abacus?

Abacus promised to ISO Peaf too and never came back to that
Maybe his internet is down again, but even so.

MZero posted...

This seems like a opportunistic vote by Abacus. I was going in on plum and several others had chimed in that they thought he was scummy, but hadn't jumped on yet. Seems like he was trying to get on early. I'm working under the assumption plum is town because yeah

I feel as though this is disingenuous. I was on Plum because of his defense of Ulti. If I were really being opportunistic I could have stuck with Lopen and IGCD and tried to push harder, but as soon as I saw that Plum claimed I backed off.

MZero posted...

To clarify, I mean... what you know about the character shouldn't really matter when claiming. If you're going to go into any detail it should be a paraphrase of your role PM, so mentioning he doesn't know anything about Zafina feels off

I had just got finished reading the whole Lopen talking about Corrik's flavor and how they were who they believed would be a doctor, with a lot of flavor meta. That was on my mind when I claimed.

If I were scum, I would hope I would put a little more effort into my claim than that.

Why are we so sure that Peaf + Kirby could not be scum together? Is it just because teams are likely 3x3x11?

Peaf puts in a lot of effort to throw votes/mentions at Kirby, and makes a seemingly lack of effort in actually pushing them. I think Peaf voted Kirby 4 times day 2? Maybe more. Anyways, it all seems very performative.

I also find it odd that Kirby believed Dumey almost immediately for Bouncer, and says Red is the least believable when... To me it makes more sense for Red + Plum to be telling the truth, and for Corrik being a backup for both. In that sense, I have a harder time believing Dumey and MZero's roles.

That being said, I believe we should leave power roles alone, for now. Outside of MZero, everyone else is fairly resolvable. Corrik is almost assuredly town, unless Plum happens to end up dead I guess.

So, for now

##Vote: Kirby

Though, I will say I may as well pull an IGCD

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Hey Corrik, you want a triple vote? It can be applied anywhere except myself or kirby Abacus

*Quote has been modified for Abaus

I think Kirby is a good lynch but death is better. His cult comment makes zero sense from a town perspective

masterplum posted...

I think Kirby is a good lynch but death is better. His cult comment makes zero sense from a town perspective

For the damn umpteenth time
I was not serious.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


And the Wallz defense

Anyway, I'd be also okay with a Death lynch, but he's been a lot more inoffensive than Kirby.

Ulti was not funny enough I would argue.
Wallz was trying to be?

Anyway It would be nice for Lea to be townconfirmed because she saved me before, but I cant say she would not try to do that as Gcorp.

My page auto refreshed, and your post disappeared so I did it a few more times, and Gfaqs just kind of decides your post doesn't exist anymore to me Death, so that's bizarre.

I do think that you all are not scum together. Though I am only basing that off of the last second vote of Lea, I don't think Scum would be that overt with trying to save their teammate.

ViolentAbacus posted...

Anyway, I'd be also okay with a Death lynch, but he's been a lot more inoffensive than KiDays?

That is part of the argument. Death has been... around

Thats odd indeed

Was just wondering where you saw Wallz being notserious.

htaeD posted...

Thats odd indeed

Was just wondering where you saw Wallz being notserious.

I misread/understood and typed a response too quick. The wallz defense was the exact opposite (mentioning all his posts being jokes).

Carry on.

Oh, well there goes my thought that you knew more about Wallz then we did.

Or at least the statement itself.

Actually, no, I was right.

On a fair amount of wallz posts would he would post something, he would get called out, and then say he was joking.

It was one the reasons I voted him

Hmm fair enough conclusion either way then

Corrik7 posted...

I'm not sure why you would be moving as you aren't actually going somewhere but redirecting someone else there.

I will be seen moving.

MZero posted...

There was actually a universal backup in the first game I played here, Luigi in Ulti's SSBM mafia. I just checked and you were in the game so you must be scum for lying /s

Although he just got the first town power that flipped

Goddammit now that is a callback. I submit. My only memory of that game is where we tried to convince a bunch of town to willingly lynch a Paranoid Atomic Bomb that would kill everyone on the lynch. Oh and Cartel memes, but I don't even remember the details of that.

I have had a chance to reread D3 with a little bit more of a fresh perspective to look at the Death stuff again. I feel like the slip Corrik found is interesting but not damning. If we were to go after people for talking about the setup too early, I feel like Plum is the one that stands out the most there, but obviously I'm pretty confident in Plum being town, which is maybe why I don't see Death bringing up funky scum setups that we've had in recent games as too out of pocket. It would be different if he specifically brought up two scum teams out of nowhere.

I feel like Kirby has a lot more against them based off of associations against Peaf, and general play, so I'm more confident in lynching there personally.

I don't have anything major against lynching Death though, and generally like the people on the Death lynch more than I like the people supporting the Kirby lynch. Consider me amiable to switching, but I'd be interested to see what kind of battle lines are drawn up with the other players.

I suppose when it comes to nillas my choice is clear and Kirby has looked the worst. of those with content (and Abacus the worst in general)

Though I still dont know IGCD is not brought up anywhere.

htaeD posted...

I suppose when it comes to nillas my choice is clear and Kirby has looked the worst. of those with content (and Abacus the worst in general)

Though I still dont know IGCD is not brought up anywhere.

Because im not scum and everyone here knows it, the only way a person is legitimately going to entertain my lynch is if they are scum and looking for the mislynch.

IGCD I think you fit into several possible scum teams that I can concoct for G Corp, and at the very least Lea was implicating you earlier as well, Death is voting for you, so clearly not "everyone" knows it. There's just lynches with more confidence here first.

Unless you're G Corp with Lea or Death and don't consider one of their suspicions on you real? Maybe Lea if you're snapping back at Death like that? :thinking:

Isquen posted...

Dont know why you're pretending like you didnt already know, Chloe.

... I missed this. When did Red claim Lucky Chloe?

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


I hereby found a third faction: the Lea Lynchers.

One day, we're going to lynch Lea as scum without Chris's help. Let that day be today.

EDumey posted...

IGCD I think you fit into several possible scum teams that I can concoct for G Corp, and at the very least Lea was implicating you earlier as well, Death is voting for you, so clearly not "everyone" knows it. There's just lynches with more confidence here first.

Unless you're G Corp with Lea or Death and don't consider one of their suspicions on you real? Maybe Lea if you're snapping back at Death like that? :thinking:

How do I fit in any scum teams?

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

So what?

I just want to point out that Ulti suiciding into Lea in particular instead of anyone else was because maybe he genuinely thought Lea was scum. Perhaps for a good reason.

I mean, the Mishima Zaibatsu killed Peaf out of nowhere. And given that Wallz knew that Anna Williams was somewhere out there (and a quick Google search shows that Anna is part of G Corp), the Zaibatsu at the very least probably had a good idea that there was another scum team. Which likely makes them very keen to find stuff that looks amiss or clearly informed, allowing them to have a decent intuition on which players are actually their rival faction.

You could argue that the Zaibatsu day scanned Peaf and that's why they killed him, but that still begets the question of: Why? Why Peaf? No one else suspected him of being scum IIRC.

The scum teams are able to see things that we don't. It may be worth looking into what the dead scum players' reads were, especially the Zaibatsu's since they were down a player already going into Day 2.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

How do I fit in any scum teams?

You look bad in general for having a terrible voting record. Not wanting to lynch Ulti (I think you're likely not Mishima, but could still be G Corp who thought he was town and trying to gets points defending him). Sheeping all of your votes, even if consistent with what you stated you would do, is still scummy behavior, as it hides your real opinions and prevents us from knowing what you actually think. Frankly you should be lynched every game you try this "will gift my vote to the best player in the game" strat just to unincentivize you from ever doing it again, as it's not pro-town.
Peaf defended you out of nowhere in 4.108 so you have a bad association there and could fit on any scum team that includes Peaf. Red made a pretty bad "clear" of you in 4.437, so you could fit on any scum team that includes Red.
What pro-town things have you done this game IGCD? From what I can see, you've been anti-town at best, with scummy associations at worst.

Kirby321 posted...

It may be worth looking into what the dead scum players' reads were

It's funny, because this is like, probably my strongest reason for voting you.

I will say with everything on the board I am a bit wary of plum again.

With Lopen dead i expected him to pick up the nutso conspiracy torch. Hes been real quiet today.

But i suppose we leave that pile for one more night.

##vote: kirby