Board 8 > Video Game Console Mafia - Topic 1: The Pong Cabinet

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Peace___Frog 04/30/23 11:30:29 PM #51:	Actually wait, how do you think FLAVOR could be countered? Is your idea that Red, as scum, would make this claim but then pick something that isn't from the safe claim list? If not that exact situation, and you want to argue flavor meta separately by comparing flavors and roles in under 50 posts from when the host explicitly warned us not to, then I'm going to ask you to reread their posts at the start of the game. And have a bit of a think to yourself. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:973185439] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>Actually wait, how do you think FLAVOR could be countered? Is your idea that Red, as scum, would make this claim but then pick something that isn't from the safe claim list? If not that exact situation, and you want to argue flavor meta separately by comparing flavors and roles in under 50 posts from when the host explicitly warned us not to, then I'm going to ask you to reread their posts at the start of the game. And have a bit of a think to yourself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 04/30/23 11:31:23 PM #52:	EDumey posted... yada yada he really is the new MZero yada yada Man don't be taking my line from me like this --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:973185453] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>EDumey posted... </cite><quote>yada yada he really is the new MZero yada yada</quote>Man don't be taking my line from me like this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueCrystalTear 04/30/23 11:38:33 PM #53:	Peace___Frog posted... You had no such explanation in your post. Don't get your socks in a twist just because you didn't communicate something properly. Because I didn't want a potential scum Red to know what I was doing? Your post is bad for obvious reasons. It reeks of scum wanting to get some information about real town flavors (assuming red is town and you are not), so that you can craft your own fake claims better. Simple. Your post is even worse for obvious reasons. You're planting the seeds of an easy mislynch without actually explaining anything until I called you out, then we get this bullshit. This makes absolutely no sense. If I were scum, wouldn't there be a safelist for me to use? So why would I want Red's flavor? --- Come check out my movie watchthrough topic: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80167031 <cite>BlueCrystalTear posted [p:973185561] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>Peace___Frog posted... </cite><quote>You had no such explanation in your post. Don't get your socks in a twist just because you didn't communicate something properly.</quote>Because I didn't want a potential scum Red to know what I was doing?<quote>Your post is bad for obvious reasons. It reeks of scum wanting to get some information about real town flavors (assuming red is town and you are not), so that you can craft your own fake claims better. Simple.</quote>Your post is even worse for obvious reasons. You're planting the seeds of an easy mislynch without actually explaining anything until I called you out, then we get this bullshit. This makes absolutely no sense. If I were scum, wouldn't there be a safelist for me to use? So why would I want Red's flavor?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueCrystalTear 04/30/23 11:39:53 PM #54:	Peace___Frog posted... Actually wait, how do you think FLAVOR could be countered? Is your idea that Red, as scum, would make this claim but then pick something that isn't from the safe claim list? Because if he were to claim something from the safelist that didn't make sense for the role he's claiming, we'd catch him? --- Come check out my movie watchthrough topic: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80167031 <cite>BlueCrystalTear posted [p:973185580] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>Peace___Frog posted... </cite><quote>Actually wait, how do you think FLAVOR could be countered? Is your idea that Red, as scum, would make this claim but then pick something that isn't from the safe claim list?</quote>Because if he were to claim something from the safelist that didn't make sense for the role he's claiming, we'd catch him?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueCrystalTear 04/30/23 11:42:15 PM #55:	Seriously, Red's role is very specific, so I wanted to see if that was a scum claim since he didn't include what console he was. Sometimes scum will just claim a role early to deter town and not think the flavor through. I wouldn't have asked for his console if this were Day 2. All that said, I still believe Red is town, but just wanted to make sure. It's Day 1, after all. --- Come check out my movie watchthrough topic: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80167031 <cite>BlueCrystalTear posted [p:973185618] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>Seriously, Red's role is very specific, so I wanted to see if that was a scum claim since he didn't include what console he was. Sometimes scum will just claim a role early to deter town and not think the flavor through. I wouldn't have asked for his console if this were Day 2.All that said, I still believe Red is town, but just wanted to make sure. It's Day 1, after all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 04/30/23 11:43:40 PM #56:	Hey Dumey is this Wifom yet, did we speedrun it? --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:973185638] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>Hey Dumey is this Wifom yet, did we speedrun it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EDumey 04/30/23 11:45:05 PM #57:	can you think of a single video game console that would make you go, "there's no way that's a hammerer role"? since you brought up the rules BCT, you'll also know that even if you doubted Red's flavor, he isn't allowed to paraphrase the reasoning for his role. maybe you have a specific reason you want to ask, but the way i interpret the rules is "don't bother with flavor meta" --- my links broke. :( <cite>EDumey posted [p:973185662] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>can you think of a single video game console that would make you go, "there's no way that's a hammerer role"?since you brought up the rules BCT, you'll also know that even if you doubted Red's flavor, he isn't allowed to paraphrase the reasoning for his role.maybe you have a specific reason you want to ask, but the way i interpret the rules is "don't bother with flavor meta"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EDumey 04/30/23 11:47:27 PM #58:	Peace___Frog posted... Hey Dumey is this Wifom yet, did we speedrun it? no? i don't think so? BCT just sees value in something that doesn't have any real value IMO. --- my links broke. :( <cite>EDumey posted [p:973185708] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>Peace___Frog posted... </cite><quote>Hey Dumey is this Wifom yet, did we speedrun it?</quote>no? i don't think so? BCT just sees value in something that doesn't have any real value IMO.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueCrystalTear 04/30/23 11:53:28 PM #59:	EDumey posted... even if you doubted Red's flavor, he isn't allowed to paraphrase the reasoning for his role I know, but I'm allowed to say "Yeah, I don't buy that" and vote him in response. But at least it's clear that Peaf is trying to sow the seeds of a mislynch, so something good came out of this line of questioning. --- Come check out my movie watchthrough topic: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80167031 <cite>BlueCrystalTear posted [p:973185800] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>EDumey posted... </cite><quote>even if you doubted Red's flavor, he isn't allowed to paraphrase the reasoning for his role</quote>I know, but I'm allowed to say "Yeah, I don't buy that" and vote him in response.But at least it's clear that Peaf is trying to sow the seeds of a mislynch, so something good came out of this line of questioning.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 04/30/23 11:57:07 PM #60:	Oh OK --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:973185850] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>Oh OK</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EDumey 05/01/23 12:11:03 AM #61:	how dare you peaf anyway, lopen volunteered sultan and corrik as "let's hammer them early" targets, then asked for volunteers, then jumped on the ulti wheel spin. if lopen hypothetically flipped scum, do you think he would have named sultan or corrik there as a scum buddy? or is it too far of a stretch to pin up a line between them on the conspiracy board? --- my links broke. :( <cite>EDumey posted [p:973186003] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>how dare you peafanyway, lopen volunteered sultan and corrik as "let's hammer them early" targets, then asked for volunteers, then jumped on the ulti wheel spin.if lopen hypothetically flipped scum, do you think he would have named sultan or corrik there as a scum buddy? or is it too far of a stretch to pin up a line between them on the conspiracy board?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnderUrMattress 05/01/23 12:33:17 AM #62:	##Vote: EDumey --- ~masterofmarth~ I have no idea why I'm on this site still. <cite>UnderUrMattress posted [p:973186294] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>##Vote: EDumey</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MZero 05/01/23 12:34:29 AM #63:	Lopen posted... Because a role like that probably has secret powers if we end day in less than 12 hours or 24 hours or something is what I'm thinking It would be lame if it was just normal vanilla. You're already jumping to conclusions assuming he gets power ups at all, then taking it even further by assuming it has to be within 12 or 24 hours when there has been nothing to suggest this is the case Granted I think that's with the Town Lopen wheelhouse, but Sultan going along with it is sus --- MZero, to the extreme https://www.twitch.tv/kabazame <cite>MZero posted [p:973186301] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>Lopen posted... </cite><quote>Because a role like that probably has secret powers if we end day in less than 12 hours or 24 hours or something is what I'm thinkingIt would be lame if it was just normal vanilla.</quote>You're already jumping to conclusions assuming he gets power ups at all, then taking it even further by assuming it has to be within 12 or 24 hours when there has been nothing to suggest this is the caseGranted I think that's with the Town Lopen wheelhouse, but Sultan going along with it is sus</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnderUrMattress 05/01/23 12:39:58 AM #64:	I feel like EDumey has little to no curiosity about red. In their defense, I don't necessarily believe red either, but if red is lying here I don't get how that's tantamount to a scum claim. I feel it's more like EDumey is trying to figure out more of red's hand rather than actually letting the game play out. Also the line of thinking doesn't feel very town motivated in #61. For what it's worth, I'm more than down to hammer someone before deadline. I hate day 1 lol so the sooner someone dies, the better. The fact that something may be triggered from it, I'm also curious to see. --- ~masterofmarth~ I have no idea why I'm on this site still. <cite>UnderUrMattress posted [p:973186371] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>I feel like EDumey has little to no curiosity about red. In their defense, I don't necessarily believe red either, but if red is lying here I don't get how that's tantamount to a scum claim. I feel it's more like EDumey is trying to figure out more of red's hand rather than actually letting the game play out.Also the line of thinking doesn't feel very town motivated in #61.For what it's worth, I'm more than down to hammer someone before deadline. I hate day 1 lol so the sooner someone dies, the better. The fact that something may be triggered from it, I'm also curious to see.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnderUrMattress 05/01/23 12:44:52 AM #65:	BCT and Lopen are my current townreads. --- ~masterofmarth~ I have no idea why I'm on this site still. <cite>UnderUrMattress posted [p:973186432] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>BCT and Lopen are my current townreads.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 05/01/23 12:46:52 AM #66:	I'm not saying red has to get power ups just that if you think he's town you should try to rush day 1 in case he does --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:973186453] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>I'm not saying red has to get power ups just that if you think he's town you should try to rush day 1 in case he does</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EDumey 05/01/23 12:50:57 AM #67:	if you want to know what i feel about red, why don't you ask me marth? "little to no curiosity" is a strange label to give when i haven't had a chance to actually go back and forth with red yet on it since he doesn't seem to be online since earlier. do you think the purpose of my vote is to just put it there and then not continue to talk about it when people are available? i also asked a question about lopen's specific player callouts in post 61, but didn't actually give my opinion of it there. why not engage with the question instead of instantly claiming i'm not town motivated? --- my links broke. :( <cite>EDumey posted [p:973186513] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>if you want to know what i feel about red, why don't you ask me marth? "little to no curiosity" is a strange label to give when i haven't had a chance to actually go back and forth with red yet on it since he doesn't seem to be online since earlier. do you think the purpose of my vote is to just put it there and then not continue to talk about it when people are available?i also asked a question about lopen's specific player callouts in post 61, but didn't actually give my opinion of it there. why not engage with the question instead of instantly claiming i'm not town motivated?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnderUrMattress 05/01/23 1:04:59 AM #68:	EDumey posted... if you want to know what i feel about red, why don't you ask me marth? "little to no curiosity" is a strange label to give when i haven't had a chance to actually go back and forth with red yet on it since he doesn't seem to be online since earlier. do you think the purpose of my vote is to just put it there and then not continue to talk about it when people are available? i also asked a question about lopen's specific player callouts in post 61, but didn't actually give my opinion of it there. why not engage with the question instead of instantly claiming i'm not town motivated? I don't get why you vote there just for the fact of "not believing the claim". So yeah, tell me do you think he is mafia? Your vote to me implies that you do, but if that's not the case, now is your chance to explain that to me. Your 61 rings to me as "how does this help him (or anyone else) solve the game"? Yeah, I'd also like your read on Lopen since you're theorizing about potential partners in a world that he's scum. --- ~masterofmarth~ I have no idea why I'm on this site still. <cite>UnderUrMattress posted [p:973186655] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>EDumey posted... </cite><quote>if you want to know what i feel about red, why don't you ask me marth? "little to no curiosity" is a strange label to give when i haven't had a chance to actually go back and forth with red yet on it since he doesn't seem to be online since earlier. do you think the purpose of my vote is to just put it there and then not continue to talk about it when people are available?i also asked a question about lopen's specific player callouts in post 61, but didn't actually give my opinion of it there. why not engage with the question instead of instantly claiming i'm not town motivated?</quote>I don't get why you vote there just for the fact of "not believing the claim". So yeah, tell me do you think he is mafia? Your vote to me implies that you do, but if that's not the case, now is your chance to explain that to me.Your 61 rings to me as "how does this help him (or anyone else) solve the game"? Yeah, I'd also like your read on Lopen since you're theorizing about potential partners in a world that he's scum. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EDumey 05/01/23 1:13:08 AM #69:	sure. i think due to some setup-meta that this was a back-up game specifically okay for a smaller amount of players, an anti-town role that kills itself D1 potentially without giving any other information or having a chance to interact with other roles during the night sounds incredibly unlikely. the chance that red is some scum hammerer role and wants to gambit being honest about it to ensure he gets the hammer off seems to be a distinctly higher chance to me. i guess there's a chance that red is some town hammerer that doesn't die, but just lying about it to ensure he gets the action off, but i fundamentally don't believe his claim, and think the reasons i can think of for lying about that type of claim far weigh in the direction of scum. will you actually engage with the lopen question first before i answer it for you? it's not a gotcha or anything. i asked it to just turn the conversation between peaf and bct somewhere more productive. i don't think it's a particularly difficult hypothetical to imagine. if lopen happened to be scum, and had the chance to list two people to potentially put pressure on early, do you think he would put early pressure on one of his scum mates? yes or no? --- my links broke. :( <cite>EDumey posted [p:973186740] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>sure. i think due to some setup-meta that this was a back-up game specifically okay for a smaller amount of players, an anti-town role that kills itself D1 potentially without giving any other information or having a chance to interact with other roles during the night sounds incredibly unlikely. the chance that red is some scum hammerer role and wants to gambit being honest about it to ensure he gets the hammer off seems to be a distinctly higher chance to me. i guess there's a chance that red is some town hammerer that doesn't die, but just lying about it to ensure he gets the action off, but i fundamentally don't believe his claim, and think the reasons i can think of for lying about that type of claim far weigh in the direction of scum.will you actually engage with the lopen question first before i answer it for you? it's not a gotcha or anything. i asked it to just turn the conversation between peaf and bct somewhere more productive. i don't think it's a particularly difficult hypothetical to imagine. if lopen happened to be scum, and had the chance to list two people to potentially put pressure on early, do you think he would put early pressure on one of his scum mates? yes or no?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MZero 05/01/23 1:18:11 AM #70:	Lopen posted... I'm not saying red has to get power ups just that if you think he's town you should try to rush day 1 in case he does I mean, you're voting Ulti who hasn't posted and could be town power that's better than whatever red would theoretically get. Regardless, it's not worth wasting a day and lynch to maybe get red a power that he might not get unless we end day early. --- MZero, to the extreme https://www.twitch.tv/kabazame <cite>MZero posted [p:973186788] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>Lopen posted... </cite><quote>I'm not saying red has to get power ups just that if you think he's town you should try to rush day 1 in case he does</quote>I mean, you're voting Ulti who hasn't posted and could be town power that's better than whatever red would theoretically get. Regardless, it's not worth wasting a day and lynch to maybe get red a power that he might not get unless we end day early. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MZero 05/01/23 1:22:19 AM #71:	EDumey posted... anyway, lopen volunteered sultan and corrik as "let's hammer them early" targets, then asked for volunteers, then jumped on the ulti wheel spin. if lopen hypothetically flipped scum, do you think he would have named sultan or corrik there as a scum buddy? or is it too far of a stretch to pin up a line between them on the conspiracy board? Sure, it's an easy way to distance without actually providing an argument, so it's unlikely to actually lead to either of them getting lynched I don't think Lopen is scum though --- MZero, to the extreme https://www.twitch.tv/kabazame <cite>MZero posted [p:973186829] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>EDumey posted... </cite><quote>anyway, lopen volunteered sultan and corrik as "let's hammer them early" targets, then asked for volunteers, then jumped on the ulti wheel spin.if lopen hypothetically flipped scum, do you think he would have named sultan or corrik there as a scum buddy? or is it too far of a stretch to pin up a line between them on the conspiracy board?</quote>Sure, it's an easy way to distance without actually providing an argument, so it's unlikely to actually lead to either of them getting lynchedI don't think Lopen is scum though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kirby321 05/01/23 1:23:24 AM #72:	Insert Coin for Votals [1] Dumey - Marth [1] Lopen - Wallz [1] MZero - Sultan [1] Peaf - BCT [1] Red - Dumey [1] Sultan - (BCT), (Lopen), MZero [1] Ulti - Lopen, (Sultan) [0] Sbell - (Dumey) [0] Wallz - (Lopen) [0] BCT - (Sultan) --- Kirby321 is 60% epicsauce, 40% epic failure Soo... how was your day? <cite>Kirby321 posted [p:973186835] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>Insert Coin for Votals[1] Dumey - Marth[1] Lopen - Wallz[1] MZero - Sultan[1] Peaf - BCT[1] Red - Dumey[1] Sultan - (BCT), (Lopen), MZero[1] Ulti - Lopen, (Sultan)[0] Sbell - (Dumey)[0] Wallz - (Lopen)[0] BCT - (Sultan)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 05/01/23 1:26:06 AM #73:	Vote on Ulti is just to move stuff. I mean he could be rng scum but who knows Finding a good lead on scum in 24 hours is better. Which I think we can. And should try to. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:973186862] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>Vote on Ulti is just to move stuff. I mean he could be rng scum but who knowsFinding a good lead on scum in 24 hours is better. Which I think we can. And should try to. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 05/01/23 1:32:53 AM #74:	##Unvote: ##Vote: MZero --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:973186916] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>##Unvote:##Vote: MZero</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EDumey 05/01/23 2:02:48 AM #75:	i was waiting for marth, but i'm not even sure if he's still around so i'm just gonna post my thoughts before i head to bed. i actually think due to the context of the pressure, that if we're pushing to hammer someone early rather than at the end of day, then basically the end goal of that is to quickly push someone to have to claim and then decide if you want to hammer them or not. being that the early pressure is more "dangerous" than your standard d1 if it is leading to early claims, it's probably not great to put your own scum mates in that situation right away. so my answer is actually that if lopen were hypothetically scum, that probably means sultan and corrik are town based on that logic. at least that's how i would analyze the situation if it were me, but i was curious if peaf (because that was who i was directing the question to at the time) would just jump on with me and say yeah maybe they're scum, or if he would think the context of red's early hammer situation changed things or not. i don't have a strong read on lopen at this time, so it's nothing more than a footnote for later, but i thought it might be an interesting question due to the nature of putting pressure on someone who may think they get hammered early. one more thought on "why vote red?" in my eyes, there are three potential ways to 'test' red's claim. we let red hammer someone. worst case scenario: red hammers a town mislynch, and gains a scum power anywhere of value from less than an extra kill, like ninja or godfather, or equivalent to a kill, like double vote or strongman. Possible -2 town outcome. we vote someone other than red by majority at end of day, but don't let him hammer. worst case scenario: we mislynch town, and truthful town red dies because of his role. Possible -2 town outcome. we lynch red. worst case scenario: red is town and nothing extra happens due to his role. Possible -1 town outcome. obviously the upsides of those three scenarios include any where we lynch scum successfully and where red gets a town power. i'm not ignoring those upsides, but if i don't believe red's claim, scenario three seems like the "test" with the least amount of risk associated with it. i just don't want people to think in terms of "well we have to test it one way or the other," because lynching red is a viable option as well. --- my links broke. :( <cite>EDumey posted [p:973187181] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>i was waiting for marth, but i'm not even sure if he's still around so i'm just gonna post my thoughts before i head to bed.i actually think due to the context of the pressure, that if we're pushing to hammer someone early rather than at the end of day, then basically the end goal of that is to quickly push someone to have to claim and then decide if you want to hammer them or not. being that the early pressure is more "dangerous" than your standard d1 if it is leading to early claims, it's probably not great to put your own scum mates in that situation right away. so my answer is actually that if lopen were hypothetically scum, that probably means sultan and corrik are town based on that logic. at least that's how i would analyze the situation if it were me, but i was curious if peaf (because that was who i was directing the question to at the time) would just jump on with me and say yeah maybe they're scum, or if he would think the context of red's early hammer situation changed things or not.i don't have a strong read on lopen at this time, so it's nothing more than a footnote for later, but i thought it might be an interesting question due to the nature of putting pressure on someone who may think they get hammered early.one more thought on "why vote red?" in my eyes, there are three potential ways to 'test' red's claim.we let red hammer someone. worst case scenario: red hammers a town mislynch, and gains a scum power anywhere of value from less than an extra kill, like ninja or godfather, or equivalent to a kill, like double vote or strongman. Possible -2 town outcome.we vote someone other than red by majority at end of day, but don't let him hammer. worst case scenario: we mislynch town, and truthful town red dies because of his role. Possible -2 town outcome.we lynch red. worst case scenario: red is town and nothing extra happens due to his role. Possible -1 town outcome.obviously the upsides of those three scenarios include any where we lynch scum successfully and where red gets a town power. i'm not ignoring those upsides, but if i don't believe red's claim, scenario three seems like the "test" with the least amount of risk associated with it. i just don't want people to think in terms of "well we have to test it one way or the other," because lynching red is a viable option as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 05/01/23 2:07:40 AM #76:	EDumey posted... obviously the upsides of those three scenarios include any where we lynch scum successfully and where red gets a town power. i'm not ignoring those upsides, but if i don't believe red's claim, scenario three seems like the "test" with the least amount of risk associated with it. i just don't want people to think in terms of "well we have to test it one way or the other," because lynching red is a viable option as well. Dumey this is the dumbest logic. Mainly, because you are ignoring actual odds of red being scum(On top of any believable chance that I'd actually do this shit as a scumploy).It isn't an even 1-2-3 split as you have laid it out. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:973187224] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>EDumey posted... </cite><quote>obviously the upsides of those three scenarios include any where we lynch scum successfully and where red gets a town power. i'm not ignoring those upsides, but if i don't believe red's claim, scenario three seems like the "test" with the least amount of risk associated with it. i just don't want people to think in terms of "well we have to test it one way or the other," because lynching red is a viable option as well.</quote>Dumey this is the dumbest logic. Mainly, because you are ignoring actual odds of red being scum(On top of any believable chance that I'd actually do this shit as a scumploy).It isn't an even 1-2-3 split as you have laid it out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EDumey 05/01/23 2:25:10 AM #77:	i didn't see it was an even split between all three scenarios. i specifically laid out worst case scenarios. because that's the risk you have to evaluate. if you were to look at the same three tests with the idea of "i think red is telling the truth and is town" then obviously you would prefer to test by letting you hammer, and thinking that the potential powers you could get as scum are probably not WORSE than a straight up -1 town that could happen from not letting you hammer. so from that perspective, the second scenario where we lynch someone other than you by majority is probably the worst. but again i've clearly stated that i'm coming into this not buying your claim, from the reasoning outlined in post #69. that's why i have to evaluate from the perspective that i did. --- my links broke. :( <cite>EDumey posted [p:973187384] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>i didn't see it was an even split between all three scenarios. i specifically laid out worst case scenarios. because that's the risk you have to evaluate. if you were to look at the same three tests with the idea of "i think red is telling the truth and is town" then obviously you would prefer to test by letting you hammer, and thinking that the potential powers you could get as scum are probably not WORSE than a straight up -1 town that could happen from not letting you hammer. so from that perspective, the second scenario where we lynch someone other than you by majority is probably the worst.but again i've clearly stated that i'm coming into this not buying your claim, from the reasoning outlined in post #69. that's why i have to evaluate from the perspective that i did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
htaeD 05/01/23 2:55:49 AM #78:	Oh hi --- Violet IGN: Malta, Sword IGN: Pandora Home: Pandorian/JBURSQAVTAGA <cite>htaeD posted [p:973187603] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>Oh hi</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
htaeD 05/01/23 3:15:37 AM #79:	Immediate thoughts I believed Reds claim at first, but EDumey does bring up some decent counter points. Wouldnt want to test his power right away, though I feel nobody was serious about that anyway. But I do want to ask Red for some clarification. Do you need to hammer every day? Or just today? Peaf calling BCTs flavor demand post bad is confusing to me. Wanting Red to claim his flavor is a reasonable request. And I dont know how it would hurt town or help scum if he did claim his console considering that scum probably has a safelist. Peaf bringing up the counter argument later is a bit more understandable, but BCT explained that part at least in a way that I believe he would think that way (even if his logic is not really applicable here) Less a fan of EDumey already spending a lot of words on consequences of 'Lopen=scum' when we arent even at step one of that theory yet. I would like for Lopen to explain his Mzero vote tho --- Violet IGN: Malta, Sword IGN: Pandora Home: Pandorian/JBURSQAVTAGA <cite>htaeD posted [p:973187735] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>Immediate thoughtsI believed Reds claim at first, but EDumey does bring up some decent counter points. Wouldnt want to test his power right away, though I feel nobody was serious about that anyway.But I do want to ask Red for some clarification. Do you need to hammer every day? Or just today?Peaf calling BCTs flavor demand post bad is confusing to me. Wanting Red to claim his flavor is a reasonable request. And I dont know how it would hurt town or help scum if he did claim his console considering that scum probably has a safelist.Peaf bringing up the counter argument later is a bit more understandable, but BCT explained that part at least in a way that I believe he would think that way (even if his logic is not really applicable here)Less a fan of EDumey already spending a lot of words on consequences of 'Lopen=scum' when we arent even at step one of that theory yet.I would like for Lopen to explain his Mzero vote tho</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 05/01/23 3:55:17 AM #80:	Oh death is probably just scum lets kill him. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:973188017] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>Oh death is probably just scum lets kill him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 05/01/23 4:01:30 AM #81:	htaeD posted... I believed Reds claim at first, but EDumey does bring up some decent counter points. Would you like to elaborate which part of Dumey's post causes me to lose my truthfulness? He brings up illogical scenarios but doesn't actually address my claim in its individuality in the slightest. So nothing on your thoughts should change here. Thus, I accuse you of bullshitting your post. I think you should die. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:973188053] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>htaeD posted... </cite><quote>I believed Reds claim at first, but EDumey does bring up some decent counter points.</quote>Would you like to elaborate which part of Dumey's post causes me to lose my truthfulness? He brings up illogical scenarios but doesn't actually address my claim in its individuality in the slightest.So nothing on your thoughts should change here.Thus, I accuse you of bullshitting your post. I think you should die.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 05/01/23 4:05:42 AM #82:	Also I cant address post #69 because it talks about out of game context that to elaborate on would approach modkill territory so I would rather not. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:973188085] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>Also I cant address post #69 because it talks about out of game context that to elaborate on would approach modkill territory so I would rather not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red13n 05/01/23 4:09:37 AM #83:	I don't want to get in the full context of the argument in my head, because again, I think its bad form. But to address what was already out there. This was not a "back up game" in the sense that the setup already existed. We had a variable player count so I would think it was done on the fly. But I really don't want to get into this any deeper than has already been addressed in topic. Not cool and stuff. --- "First thing that crosses my mind: I didn't get any GameFAQs Karma yesterday." Math Murderer after getting his appendix removed. <cite>red13n posted [p:973188111] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>I don't want to get in the full context of the argument in my head, because again, I think its bad form. But to address what was already out there. This was not a "back up game" in the sense that the setup already existed. We had a variable player count so I would think it was done on the fly. But I really don't want to get into this any deeper than has already been addressed in topic. Not cool and stuff.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnderUrMattress 05/01/23 4:37:14 AM #84:	@EDumey I have only played like maybe 10 games on this site and 5 of them are from when I was still a teenager lol. I don't have any of the site meta at all so I guess I have to give you benefit of the doubt. Don't think I've ever played with a "hammerer" or whatever. As for your Lopen question - sure. I don't underestimate any mafia player. I think that he would be capable of telling the village to speed vote his partner. I can vibe with you trying to do a little icebreaker to steer the chat in a different direction, cause I too didn't feel like it was very fruitful. However like I said before, I'm just not sure how this particular hypothetical is going to open the game up for you. It feels like a directionless approach to inquire everyone if someone you think is null is bussing a partner. Idk man. I'm going to keep my vote overnight and let it stew in with the rest of the crowd and see where it goes from there. --- ~masterofmarth~ I have no idea why I'm on this site still. <cite>UnderUrMattress posted [p:973188307] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>@EDumey I have only played like maybe 10 games on this site and 5 of them are from when I was still a teenager lol. I don't have any of the site meta at all so I guess I have to give you benefit of the doubt. Don't think I've ever played with a "hammerer" or whatever. As for your Lopen question - sure. I don't underestimate any mafia player. I think that he would be capable of telling the village to speed vote his partner. I can vibe with you trying to do a little icebreaker to steer the chat in a different direction, cause I too didn't feel like it was very fruitful. However like I said before, I'm just not sure how this particular hypothetical is going to open the game up for you. It feels like a directionless approach to inquire everyone if someone you think is null is bussing a partner. Idk man. I'm going to keep my vote overnight and let it stew in with the rest of the crowd and see where it goes from there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnderUrMattress 05/01/23 4:39:43 AM #85:	Do people fake claim a lot here, and if so, what's the ratio of lying town to lying mafia? --- ~masterofmarth~ I have no idea why I'm on this site still. <cite>UnderUrMattress posted [p:973188328] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>Do people fake claim a lot here, and if so, what's the ratio of lying town to lying mafia?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnderUrMattress 05/01/23 4:42:11 AM #86:	red13n posted... Oh death is probably just scum lets kill him. Oi yeah this was my reaction to his 79 too. --- ~masterofmarth~ I have no idea why I'm on this site still. <cite>UnderUrMattress posted [p:973188339] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>red13n posted... </cite><quote>Oh death is probably just scum lets kill him.</quote>Oi yeah this was my reaction to his 79 too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/01/23 4:54:10 AM #87:	Most likely scenario is that red is truthful, I don't believe he pulls this off as scum. I don't want to end day too fast because of someone he didn't even mention himself though. MZero is the person whose posts I find myself agreeing with the most. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:973188398] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>Most likely scenario is that red is truthful, I don't believe he pulls this off as scum. I don't want to end day too fast because of someone he didn't even mention himself though.MZero is the person whose posts I find myself agreeing with the most.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnderUrMattress 05/01/23 4:56:52 AM #88:	TheSultanOfSlam posted... Wow wtf Lopen Rude! Also Red Getting Hammerer( if not a lie) is funny. Considering he played a game pretending to be hammerer not to to to long ago --- ~masterofmarth~ I have no idea why I'm on this site still. <cite>UnderUrMattress posted [p:973188412] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>TheSultanOfSlam posted... </cite><quote>Wow wtf Lopen Rude! Also Red Getting Hammerer( if not a lie) is funny. Considering he played a game pretending to be hammerer not to to to long ago</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnderUrMattress 05/01/23 4:57:45 AM #89:	Ctes do you have knowledge of the game that Sultan is referring to here, and if so, what alignment was red? --- ~masterofmarth~ I have no idea why I'm on this site still. <cite>UnderUrMattress posted [p:973188415] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>Ctes do you have knowledge of the game that Sultan is referring to here, and if so, what alignment was red? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnderUrMattress 05/01/23 5:02:04 AM #90:	UnderUrMattress posted... Oi yeah this was my reaction to his 79 too. The vibe of his post there feels like pitting red/dumey and bct/peaf against each other rather than truthfully trying to sort them. --- ~masterofmarth~ I have no idea why I'm on this site still. <cite>UnderUrMattress posted [p:973188436] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>UnderUrMattress posted... </cite><quote>Oi yeah this was my reaction to his 79 too.</quote>The vibe of his post there feels like pitting red/dumey and bct/peaf against each other rather than truthfully trying to sort them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/01/23 5:08:27 AM #91:	I know it. Red was mafia hammerer who just claimed the role as town. He hammered automatically. He also won the game by doing little, mostly as town imploded because of an insane psychic but yeah. IIRC he was also among the last people to claim. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:973188467] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>I know it. Red was mafia hammerer who just claimed the role as town. He hammered automatically. He also won the game by doing little, mostly as town imploded because of an insane psychic but yeah. IIRC he was also among the last people to claim.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnderUrMattress 05/01/23 5:13:10 AM #92:	ctesjbuvf posted... I know it. Red was mafia hammerer who just claimed the role as town. He hammered automatically. He also won the game by doing little, mostly as town imploded because of an insane psychic but yeah. IIRC he was also among the last people to claim. Care to inform me what exactly a "hammerer" is and how common it is on this site? --- ~masterofmarth~ I have no idea why I'm on this site still. <cite>UnderUrMattress posted [p:973188492] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>ctesjbuvf posted... </cite><quote>I know it. Red was mafia hammerer who just claimed the role as town. He hammered automatically. He also won the game by doing little, mostly as town imploded because of an insane psychic but yeah. IIRC he was also among the last people to claim.</quote>Care to inform me what exactly a "hammerer" is and how common it is on this site? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/01/23 5:13:51 AM #93:	UnderUrMattress posted... Do people fake claim a lot here, and if so, what's the ratio of lying town to lying mafia? I find when people early claim something anti-town they're usually truthful town. Lying town happens, but other than Ben, it's mostly just town trying to hide power but claiming vanilla or something. Lying mafia obviously happens often enough but I find mafia rarely gambits and claim something bad like this, so something as risky as this seem more likely to be town. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:973188497] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>UnderUrMattress posted... </cite><quote>Do people fake claim a lot here, and if so, what's the ratio of lying town to lying mafia?</quote>I find when people early claim something anti-town they're usually truthful town. Lying town happens, but other than Ben, it's mostly just town trying to hide power but claiming vanilla or something. Lying mafia obviously happens often enough but I find mafia rarely gambits and claim something bad like this, so something as risky as this seem more likely to be town. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnderUrMattress 05/01/23 5:14:35 AM #94:	UnderUrMattress posted... Care to inform me what exactly a "hammerer" is and how common it is on this site? And also if it is seen more often as a scum role as opposed to a town role? --- ~masterofmarth~ I have no idea why I'm on this site still. <cite>UnderUrMattress posted [p:973188500] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>UnderUrMattress posted... </cite><quote>Care to inform me what exactly a "hammerer" is and how common it is on this site?</quote>And also if it is seen more often as a scum role as opposed to a town role? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/01/23 5:14:56 AM #95:	UnderUrMattress posted... Care to inform me what exactly a "hammerer" is and how common it is on this site? I think it's the only time I've ever seen it and it was a role madness game, but I think it just basically ended lynches at -1 automatically. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:973188501] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>UnderUrMattress posted... </cite><quote>Care to inform me what exactly a "hammerer" is and how common it is on this site?</quote>I think it's the only time I've ever seen it and it was a role madness game, but I think it just basically ended lynches at -1 automatically. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
htaeD 05/01/23 5:17:02 AM #96:	red13n posted... Would you like to elaborate which part of Dumey's post causes me to lose my truthfulness? He brings up illogical scenarios but doesn't actually address my claim in its individuality in the slightest. So nothing on your thoughts should change here. Thus, I accuse you of bullshitting your post. I think you should die. you are right that Edumey has a lot of weird scenarios overall. But I think the part about you making this claim if you are a scumhammerer seems like a valid scenario to me. At worst(best?) this just reduced your claim from '100 % town action' to less than that. I dont think Dumey is right to say you being a scumhammerer somehow has a higher chance of being true either. --- Violet IGN: Malta, Sword IGN: Pandora Home: Pandorian/JBURSQAVTAGA <cite>htaeD posted [p:973188510] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>red13n posted...</cite><quote>Would you like to elaborate which part of Dumey's post causes me to lose my truthfulness? He brings up illogical scenarios but doesn't actually address my claim in its individuality in the slightest.So nothing on your thoughts should change here.Thus, I accuse you of bullshitting your post. I think you should die.</quote>you are right that Edumey has a lot of weird scenarios overall. But I think the part about you making this claim if you are a scumhammerer seems like a valid scenario to me.At worst(best?) this just reduced your claim from '100 % town action' to less than that. I dont think Dumey is right to say you being a scumhammerer somehow has a higher chance of being true either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 05/01/23 5:17:22 AM #97:	It was also with a host that had only hosted that one time, so probably not worth thinking much about. --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:973188511] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>It was also with a host that had only hosted that one time, so probably not worth thinking much about. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
htaeD 05/01/23 5:18:40 AM #98:	Also a scumhammerer role I once saw (In Dr Hammer Mafia) Just gained powers if they hammered a player at the end of day Reds role here sounds subtantially different. --- Violet IGN: Malta, Sword IGN: Pandora Home: Pandorian/JBURSQAVTAGA <cite>htaeD posted [p:973188520] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>Also a scumhammerer role I once saw (In Dr Hammer Mafia)Just gained powers if they hammered a player at the end of dayReds role here sounds subtantially different.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
htaeD 05/01/23 5:20:47 AM #99:	Oh yeah Edumey's other argument in post # 69 did catch my eye, but I dont like it either since I feel this exact argument was used against that 'dies in 3 days role' that was in Xenoblade 3 Mafia. (which turned out to be true) --- Violet IGN: Malta, Sword IGN: Pandora Home: Pandorian/JBURSQAVTAGA <cite>htaeD posted [p:973188533] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>Oh yeah Edumey's other argument in post # 69 did catch my eye, but I dont like it either since I feel this exact argument was used against that 'dies in 3 days role' that was in Xenoblade 3 Mafia.(which turned out to be true)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
htaeD 05/01/23 5:22:10 AM #100:	UnderUrMattress posted... The vibe of his post there feels like pitting red/dumey and bct/peaf against each other rather than truthfully trying to sort them. What? They already pit themselves against each other. --- Violet IGN: Malta, Sword IGN: Pandora Home: Pandorian/JBURSQAVTAGA <cite>htaeD posted [p:973188542] in Video Game... [t:80429136]...</cite> <quote>UnderUrMattress posted...</cite><quote>The vibe of his post there feels like pitting red/dumey and bct/peaf against each other rather than truthfully trying to sort them. </quote>What?They already pit themselves against each other.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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