Board 8 > Video Game Console Mafia - Topic 4: 2D or not 2D

(+) Yeah! (+)

Oh yeah. Wallz is right. Ignore that.

Hmmm.

As far as fakeclaims go, something like that isn't difficult for scum (given the current public info). Death did something similar in xenoblade.

Isn't difficult to fake**

UltimaterializerX posted...

You are worth more than any role

Stealing this for Valentines Day mafia 2024

Peace___Frog posted...

Hmmm.

As far as fakeclaims go, something like that isn't difficult for scum (given the current public info). Death did something similar in xenoblade.

Speaking of claims and death. Death, your first post of the day pinged my scumdar hardcore. Set my mind at ease and claim.

I can leave marth be for now. I will join you on death, my friend.

##unvote
##vote: death

MZero posted...

Hey guys

PS5, Town Graverobber

My role lets me choose a dead player and learn all their scan results. I can also choose an alive player and if they die that night, same thing

Anyway, I targeted Red and he scanned Marth town

Well thats interesting

Peace___Frog posted...

I had you in my neutral? pile so I'm not sure if i buy that or not.

Is it a one time use?

Yeah that seems roll fishy and if it is we don't want scum to know

wallmasterz posted...

Stealing this for Valentines Day mafia 2024

Adding it to the queue youre now going to host this on like June of 2024 lmao

UltimaterializerX posted...

Chris, they have an unblockable (clearly) and youre still alive. You are worth more than any role, so this isnt hard to figure out.

Chris/Sultan/?/?

Ulti have you gotten better at power wolfing or something. I am cool I am not powered up in an unknown way red13N cop cool

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Adding it to the queue youre now going to host this on like June of 2024 lmao

Youre far too special to special

I typed a big angy post and then accidentally copied something else when I went to refresh things, so I'll try again but less angy and less word.

Peace___Frog posted...

Me being in that picture is unrelated. My case was that i did not see any progression of thought from page 1, topic 1 to the end of the day. Part of this is because i was a bad reader and totally missed one of his posts! You argued that I was only on him for reverse omgus.

Did I ever say you were only on him for reverse omgus? If I did I don't remember doing so. I thought you were on him for being afk and not doing anything except omgus you. Which as I said in the previous topic before all the votes went down, isn't really scummy for BCT. Understandable to get mad at him AFKing through a whole day, but not for anything he actually did. "No progression of thought" and "he didn't fucking do anything" is basically synonymous in this scenario.

Peace___Frog posted...

Dumey avoided the red thing entirely, as Marth pointed out shortly after. Interesting since that was by all measures the biggest thing up to that point. Scummates are some of the best people at recognizing when a buddy slips.

I would like you to explain where I "avoided the red thing entirely." Look at the timeline. I said I didn't buy his claim, and VOTED him at 11:30PM EST. The only other people talking at that time were you (Peaf) and BCT, which I joined in that conversation. The very next person to post was Marth at 12:30PM who I talked with about the Red situation. When did I even have time to "avoid the red thing"? What do you think a vote means in that context? Do you think I'm the type of person to vote someone and just leave it there without explaining? You know I love getting into arguments. I was just waiting for Red to be around so I could get into it directly with him.

Peace___Frog posted...

Why ask this? Obviously it's possible. We won't know for sure for some time. This is fake engagement.

No it is not "fake engagement." When we had 4 votes come in a two minute window at 6:23 PM EST (read: not at deadline where we might expect a flurry of votes), it is CRAZY for the first two reactions of this thread to be Peaf: "Nothing to take from this until X or Y flips" and Death: "No one who voted for BCT there looks worse." I think there's ABSOLUTELY a chance that at least one of the four people that jumped on Red there was opportunistic scum to cement the special onto a townie. What is the "fake engagement" here when I see two people immediately disregarding lynch results?

Believe it or not, this was less word and less jabby than my previous iteration. I think Peaf just has red in his eyes and views everything with the absolute worst intent behind it possible, rather than reasonably looking at both sides. I think looking at something like the TOPIC 1 PAGE 2 interactions where I talked to the people that were currently in the thread, and then claiming I was avoiding talking about the person whom I voted and clearly was willing to follow-up on when someone asked me about it, within the same hour of my vote, is proof enough that he's a little biased in his perspective and throwing anything at the wall to see if anything sticks.

I'm actually not certain what I think of Peaf alignment-wise. I think getting tunnel-visioned and seeing red in everything is actually something that speaks to Peaf's town play. It's just me personally being involved and seeing how flimsy the arguments are that make me feel like it's "fabricated".

The thing to consider is, does it make sense for red to target Marth? I'll need to reread for that.

Also, I know Lopen said he was going to the movies, but I think everyone has pretty much checked in now except maybe Ctes and Corrik.

But I am about 80% confident that Lopen is scum.

##Vote: Lopen

Am willing to same-time claim at his convenience.

Also I am pretty much not here even though I am here. Not really in the mindset to REALLY make reads in mafia right now but feeling kinda social.

Ulti felt very town but coming out swinging day 2 before I can even backread feels kinda hurtful. Like my man talk to me first. Buy me dinner. I come around to play and you don't even romance me first.

I'm not going to same time claim with you who has seemed quite scummy because you voted me.

I just watched a movie with Nic Cage as a vampire it was excellent.

MZero if you're still around, I would still like to hear you answer how you feel about Sultan now. You had an immediate "come at me bro" reaction to his claim when it happened, but there was a lot of conversation, and several people who came out in support of Sultan's behavior/claim as townie. Have you changed your mind on that or do you still think Sultan is scum and lying?

Also any other general thoughts. My recollection of your D1 was pretty one-note and I don't remember you giving any real opinions on non-Sultan related topics.

Lopen posted...

I'm not going to same time claim with you who has seemed quite scummy because you voted me.

I just watched a movie with Nic Cage as a vampire it was excellent.

Okay, we should kill Lopen then.

Nah

Be home in like 15, will have some stuff to say

Listen Dumey. You should consider the answers to who scum are might be hiding in plain sight and drop the lead for now until the game plays out a bit.

We have better leads to investigate. If you still think I'm scum in a day or two then lynch me. OK?

I think you're in my town pile if it makes you feel better.

Lopen posted...

Listen Dumey. You should consider the answers to who scum are might be hiding in plain sight and drop the lead for now until the game plays out a bit.

We have better leads to investigate. If you still think I'm scum in a day or two then lynch me. OK?

I think you're in my town pile if it makes you feel better.

"If you have evidence that I am scum, you should drop it and let the game play out"

Also your "better leads" that you said earlier in the thread were agreeing with Peaf on it being Death, Marth, or Me. Marth now has a town scan on him which you haven't responded to, and apparently you think I'm town, so what's your Death argument that is hiding in plain sight?

I don't think you can butter me up at this point.

You're really tanning my hide with this assault man this is intense.

I'll same time if you really want to but I don't think it's a great idea. Just be sure you're sure.

did i really go on an "assault?" that seems like a strange reaction when most of the game hasn't even seen my post yet to pressure you one way or the other.

Yeah I'm sure. Catching scum is fun, so I don't see why I wouldn't.

Keep going

Strange indeed. Please consider your read carefully. If you are still sure, we can do it when you want.

30 minute mark good for you?

Fine. Zzz.

I claim Super Nintendo TOWN Hider

Each night I can hide behind someone. All actions targeting me will fail if I do that. If I hide behind someone who is killed I will die. If I hide behind mafia I will die.

Last night I hid behind Ulti

Don't claim Dumey.

Doing it anyway, Lopen. :)

I am Game Gear, TOWN Neighbouriser (fucking AGAIN)

I choose one player to create a chat with myself during each day phase, starting at the beginning of the night phase. I can choose different players each day this time, so I'm not locking into one chat like I was with Lea.

I chose Lopen during the day and my action was unsuccessful.

Since there was no time for anyone to roleblock me before N1, this leads me to believe that Lopen is untargettable by default. Something like commuter would not work because commuting is BEHIND a lot of other actions in the priority list posted in the rules. If Lopen claims any role that is not inherently untargettable, then he is most certainly lying and should be lynched.

For posterity, I think Lopen tried to get me off his back by hinting Tracker with the "tanning my hide comment?" I'm not sure what other role that would refer to. If it's something more obvious that clearly satisfies my above condition I'll take the L on that one. I looked for capital letters and everything!

Lopen is scum. He did not have time to hide before I visited him.

I literally said hide repeatedly man

Well good Lord the start to today has been extremely wolfy.

@MZero

I've acknowledged your claim, and I do think that red would potentially check me, but I have one pretty big concern that jogged through my mind the entire shift. You were very gung-ho about getting Sultan out, so much that you risked your entire life in the event that he was town, and this was while Sultan made it CLEAR that if he was getting voted out, you were going down with him. It's hard for me to see someone with as much importance as you ESPECIALLY with a hard claimed cop going that hard on a vengeful claim. How can you convince me that you're still town even though a scenario exists where Sultan could possibly be vengeful, you are the graverobber, and you could get blasted by a vengeful Sultan with red being killed that night and no way to retrieve the report? It's all extremely fishy to me.

@Peace__Frog

Your 4.22 bugs the hell out of me. You were pushing on EDumey for a bit towards the EOD but I wasn't on your radar afair. Then suddenly you pair me and EDumey. But your post there says that you would "get off his back if marth flips town". Quite frankly, I don't believe your associative read for one second. But in a world that you're town I'll hear you out and give you my progression on EDumey which I don't think you quite understand. His responses to my questions were kinda meh, so I did leave my vote on him overnight. However, what convinced me to get off of him and towncore him was his conviction towards red being mafia. At first it didn't ring genuine, but then he came up with all these scenarios and hypotheticals which labeled a scum!red worldview, and while I did not quite agree with them, I did think that they were really genuine trains of thought that he believed in, and for that, I launched him into my towncore. Do I still think he's town? I don't really have any reason not to.

Now then, it's your turn. In a town!marth world (which always exists unless MZero is scum) I want your individual read on EDumey. You said you would get off of him if I'm town and now that this information has presented itself, I would like for you to go in depth what made you suspicious about EDumey yesterday cause obviously it wasn't linked to me, unless you had the reads that you gave today and kept your cards to your chest.

@UltimaterializerX

You vote on Chris sucks and is very uncharitable and once again, I don't believe that you believe it. Yes, he is a likely n1 candidate, but in a world that he's town (which is probably the case), he has this gigantic shield called universally townread hardclaimed cop red and anyone (including Chris) not dying over red13n does not incriminate them. So, if you have more to your read on Chris, I'd love to hear it, but you are absolutely not going to sell me (and hopefully anyone) with that terrible logic.

@Lopen

I would like your updated reads.

And yeah that's it whew.

oh idk if y'all crumb here, but @MZero if you crumbed somewhere, now would be a nice time to point it out

Dumey why didn't you suspect me yesterday in that case

and all this was being typed before the lopen and edumey claims lmao

EDumey posted...

MZero if you're still around, I would still like to hear you answer how you feel about Sultan now. You had an immediate "come at me bro" reaction to his claim when it happened, but there was a lot of conversation, and several people who came out in support of Sultan's behavior/claim as townie. Have you changed your mind on that or do you still think Sultan is scum and lying?

Also any other general thoughts. My recollection of your D1 was pretty one-note and I don't remember you giving any real opinions on non-Sultan related topics.

Sultan has done nothing to convince me he's town. Everyone is too scared to go against Chris though.

I am always one-note Day 1, so I won't deny that!

I don't buy it

I think you're scum and scum used some random role on me and now you're trying to 1 for 1 because you had heat

##Vote: Dumey

dumey did you crumb neighborizer anywhere?

Lopen posted...

Dumey why didn't you suspect me yesterday in that case

What? I didn't have this evidence until the day ended. I got the message that my action was unsuccessful at the same time as the BCT flip was revealed. I chose you as my neighbor because I thought it would be worth talking to you about my role and how I should play it. Funny how that worked out, huh?

Lopen posted...

I don't buy it

I think you're scum and scum used some random role on me and now you're trying to 1 for 1 because you had heat

##Vote: Dumey

if he used a random role on you, how would he get the result of you being hider if you hid?

or does it not work like commuter

UnderUrMattress posted...

I've acknowledged your claim, and I do think that red would potentially check me, but I have one pretty big concern that jogged through my mind the entire shift. You were very gung-ho about getting Sultan out, so much that you risked your entire life in the event that he was town, and this was while Sultan made it CLEAR that if he was getting voted out, you were going down with him. It's hard for me to see someone with as much importance as you ESPECIALLY with a hard claimed cop going that hard on a vengeful claim. How can you convince me that you're still town even though a scenario exists where Sultan could possibly be vengeful, you are the graverobber, and you could get blasted by a vengeful Sultan with red being killed that night and no way to retrieve the report? It's all extremely fishy to me.

Venegful is like the most obvious scum hail mary fake claim ever lol and Sultan isn't bad enough to actually consider not claiming it. He's not bad enough to shoot me for "joking too much" either. I don't believe he's vengeful at all

and no, I didn't breadcrumb my role

UnderUrMattress posted...

dumey did you crumb neighborizer anywhere?

No, the last game we played, I rolled Neighboriser and did a Topic 1 soft claim. I didn't want to use the same playbook twice, so I just played the day as Vanilla.

Yeah Lopen looks like caught scum here. I thought he was town yesterday but yikes

can someone remind me how hider works again

you hide behind someone and if you survive they're town
if you hide behind someone and you die then they're mafia
if you're targeted at night, you survive unless you hide behind the person killed
do i have my facts right?

it doesn't operate like commuter right?

for what it's worth there's probably zero worlds where there's 3 roles able to greencheck someone directly or indirectly

we have

1. red ---> greenchecked me
2. mzero ---> greenchecked me via red
3. lopen ---> greenchecked ulti by not dying

so i think the best course of action is probably to murk Lopen and if he's town then obliterate MZero and EDumey in sequence.

UnderUrMattress posted...

can someone remind me how hider works again

you hide behind someone and if you survive they're town
if you hide behind someone and you die then they're mafia
if you're targeted at night, you survive unless you hide behind the person killed
do i have my facts right?

That sounds about right. If you hide behind town and they are killed, you both die