Board 8 > Video Game Console Mafia - Topic 6: Aim for a High Score

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It is true that a scum MZero has incentive to defend Death yesterday because he's the logical follow-up after Death dies.

MZero started today with

MZero posted...

Y'all really trying to mislynch town power based on an inconclusive scan two days in a row huh

Didn't learn anything from yesterday huh

"Please don't keep looking at the Watch results."

UnderUrMattress posted...

so do we wanna risk lynching someone for the wrong reasons and being wrong?

lol i feel like we're reversing roles now. I want to go off track, and you're trying to recenter me on resolving MZero/Death.

Yeah, I am definitely considering both right now. Actions not locked in yet.

UnderUrMattress posted...

it was crumbed immediately which also points him in a good light and it just doesn't seem as coincidental and fishy as yours.

dude how is crumbing better than actually claiming

he never had to claim protection if something went wrong because he only hinted at it. I came right out and claimed and locked myself into a role. and this was before a watcher ever even claimed

okay it's probably ctes/MZero and one of the do-nothing's in SBell/Corrik.

EDumey posted...

lol i feel like we're reversing roles now. I want to go off track, and you're trying to recenter me on resolving MZero/Death.

Yeah, I am definitely considering both right now. Actions not locked in yet.

mafia is an amazing game isn't it.

All I know is whether we lynch @ctesjbuvf or not, this day shouldn't end without him hardclaiming so yeah that's probably the next piece of info we need.

EDumey posted...

It is true that a scum MZero has incentive to defend Death yesterday because he's the logical follow-up after Death dies.

MZero started today with

"Please don't keep looking at the Watch results."

No I'm saying don't keep blindly following the watch results. Which we just saw why that is a bad idea

MZero posted...

No I'm saying don't keep blindly following the watch results. Which we just saw why that is a bad idea

Narrowing the poe isn't a bad idea tbh. It allows better understanding of the game.

SirChris posted...

Anyway unfortunately for you mzero you don't really appear to know what is and what isn't alignment indicative for sultan so if I am alive tomorrow I will town case sultan more seriously.

you have work to do Chris

MZero posted...

you have work to do Chris

Now I won't do it just because you asked

Nyeh

based tbh

Also please don't end the day early for the third day in a row so I can actually do things when I am back at my computer. Thanks yall.

SirChris posted...

Now I won't do it just because you asked

Nyeh

it's fine there was no town case to be made anyway

MZero posted...

Peaf has explained the lack of NKs already.

Shooting Peaf N2 makes sense because the fact that he knew he was RB'd means he has a power. He then JK'd ctes last night so ctes is either scum or was shot for some reason

If we're talking about crumbs, for the record, i want to call out that i planned on commuting n2 and really went hard into "hey maybe that third person isn't a standard doc".

MZero posted...

Chris knew death was going to flip town btw

Yeah that post that you quoted was super suspect even at the time. Why would getting there asap help us out?

EDumey posted...

There is no chance Ctes was shot. So if Chris is scum, then the only viable reasons for there to be no kill last night were a scum No Kill, or Peaf roleblocking the killer.

That's another reason to go after Ctes and give Chris a chance to give out another vest. Tremendous upside. And if you follow the argument that whoever killed Red was likely a spent Strongman, then that makes it more attractive.

Ok walk me through this, please. I know you love your conditionals.

Ctes flips scum. That means chris is also probably scum? He could theoretically still be town here. And he himself thinks that he blocked last night's kill.
Ctes flips town. That means chris is confirmed town?

UnderUrMattress posted...

also as for lopen, he was clearly already dead so you fighting to kill him and chris looking at other avenues doesn't really influence either of your alignments.

This is reversed, no? Chris was with you and corrik and wanted day to end. Mzero was the first one who humored my suggestion that we test sultan (look elsewhere).

Ah. Because I knew I was the third person and so I wanted to understand the nature of scum power and I thought overnight mzero was probably town and it was a ninja strongman but mzero over here acting up and everything so now I got to think it over.

SirChris posted...

Also please don't end the day early for the third day in a row so I can actually do things when I am back at my computer. Thanks yall.

Day 1 ended like 30 minutes early.
Day 2 ended a day early.
Day 3 would have ended 20 hours sooner if you had had your way. You're welcome for giving you a day to even read.

Peace___Frog posted...

Day 1 ended like 30 minutes early.
Day 2 ended a day early.
Day 3 would have ended 20 hours sooner if you had had your way. You're welcome for giving you a day to even read.

Can you quote where I said I wanted day to end super early?

Peace___Frog posted...

Ok walk me through this, please. I know you love your conditionals.

Ctes flips scum. That means chris is also probably scum? He could theoretically still be town here. And he himself thinks that he blocked last night's kill.
Ctes flips town. That means chris is confirmed town?

Ctes' flip gives us zero information on Chris. I didn't make any kind of conditional read on that.

The point was that if you think Chris is scum, then the only two explanations for the lack of kill are your Jailkeep on Ctes, or an intentional scum No Kill.

No Kill immediately after a previous night with no kill seems super unlikely, so the chances that you successfully blocked Ctes is very high.

So the only conditional read I'm giving here is: IF you think Chris is SCUM, THEN you should also think Ctes is SCUM.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Chris also breadcrumbs a protection role as scum day 2. To set up scum no killing to get bith you and Death Mislynched?

The guy literally let himself die in Star Trek to push you and Lea to victory on Day 1.

Why so surprised with these possibilities?

Obellisk posted...

The guy literally let himself die in Star Trek to push you and Lea to victory on Day 1.

Why so surprised with these possibilities?

Couple of different type of plays don't you think lol

EDumey posted...

So the only conditional read I'm giving here is: IF you think Chris is SCUM, THEN you should also think Ctes is SCUM.

And the inverse holds, where if you think ctes is town then chris must be town (unless someone else wants to claim fun weird protection).

SirChris posted...

Can you quote where I said I wanted day to end super early?

You said that we needed death's flip asap. I'm sure there are other posts that i can find tomorrow.

Did someone say Star Trek?

Sultan T1-66
TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Bct isn't a horrible day scan. Clearing BCT or Finding out he is scum early is pro town.

Bct is scum kill him?

The fact you haven't voted him id assume this is a joke??

Sultan assuming a day scan is a joke but kind of responding seriously to it? Sounds familiar

Sultan T1-316
TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I find it funny that Sheep seems to know BCT so well but still doesn't understand me at all that is sad. Anyways time to get back on track.

"you don't understand me" a classic scum Sultan line

Peace___Frog posted...

And the inverse holds, where if you think ctes is town then chris must be town (unless someone else wants to claim fun weird protection).

Uhhh, yes, I think that holds. If Ctes is town, then scum either intentional No Killed, or Chris is also town.

SirChris posted...

Couple of different type of plays don't you think lol

I mean, we're talking about Chris here.

Peace___Frog posted...

And the inverse holds, where if you think ctes is town then chris must be town (unless someone else wants to claim fun weird protection).

You said that we needed death's flip asap. I'm sure there are other posts that i can find tomorrow.

Asap meant that day not lynching anyone else. I had a post saying I was fine with the entire day being used

Mzero cherry picking quotes from sultan to make him look bad is noted

8-bit Votals
[3] Ctes - Peaf, Chris, (Marth), Dumey
[2] MZero - Sultan, (Dumey), Marth
[1] Chris - MZero, Ulti
[1] Peaf - Wallz
[0] SBell - (Ulti)

I need all scan results fully and I need all of peafs actions. Not giving people your full results resulted in deaths mislynch. And it's a damn shame.

Man there is a lot of stuff after being gone for the weekend. Today we play though.

It's ridiculous to consider that scum no killed over shooting into an unclaimed slot unlikely to be protected. But tbf I do think it's more likely Chris is truthful. I need an updated overview.

I will start by coming clean - I am Virtual Boy, but Im not a one-time watcher. I am regular watcher.

N1 - Watched Red - death, mzero, Chris visited
N2 - Watched Chris - no visitors observed
N3 - Watched Peaf - no visitors observed

I lean towards believing MZeros claim because it not only has synergy with reds role, but mine as well. MZero should not be viewed as town confirmed by any means (of course) but he should also not be a lynch priority right now and MZero, assuming youre town you should always be targeting me.

##Unvote
##Vote: Chris

I dont have a problem with a lynch on ctes but we should not do that today. Because I am a regular watcher I assume scum has a ninja. If they do I would suspect they are separate from the strongman role, which we know scum has because death visited red and red still died (I know I said something to the contrary earlier but I genuinely do think either scum has no ninja or its separate from strongman). If Mzero is town, either scum has a ninja strongman or Chris is scum. I believe the latter.

Why would Chris breadcrumb protection? According to him, he did it for shits and giggles because hes an arrogant smartass. Personally, I dont think alluding to being protection unnecessarily aligns with being a top mafia player. Note that Chris didnt give us anything really clever to hint at being armorer specifically, just generic protection allusions like a Doctor Who quote. I think scum realized getting rid of red was a priority so they rolled the dice with their strongman and Chris knew if there was a watcher, he would be seen, so he tried to cover by hinting at being protection. He was vague enough so his bread crumbing could fit whatever actual town protection was revealed through the course of the game, and didnt get close to making any concrete claims as to allow himself plausible deniability. And of course, Chris doesnt have to worry about scum picking up on his little hints and lynching him the way town Chris would. Add in the unlikelihood of Chris role giving away bulletproof vests like candy and Chris being too busy to catch up and make some reads beyond town clearing sultan at a glance and being pro-Death lynch.

Why Chris before ctes? If Chris is scum strongman, if scum gets an extra kill I think its very possible its an if you make it to night x you get an extra kill/power up kind of scenario. Basically, I worry scum does have motive to keep Chris alive longer.

if Chris flips town, MZero and peaf become higher lynch priorities (I dont think Death, peaf and Chris roles coexisting makes sense). If theres no scum ninja, peaf makes a lot more sense with my role (you cant protect the watcher without hindering their power).

If Chris flips scum, we lynch ctes next. I think its very possible Chris jumped on the ctes lynch train as early as possible knowing he will flip scum and its time to distance. If I was Chris and I was town, Id be voting for peaf.

wallmasterz posted...

Peaf voted death going along with Dumeys reasoning (he apparently loves when Dumey talks math to him). Dumey said unless theres a ninja strongman its 50/50 between death and mzero. Now death has flipped town and peaf acknowledges it could be mzero but is instead pushing for votes on ctes instead of going along with Dumeys reasoning he agreed with yesterday. This is because peaf knows one of two things to be true - Mzero is his scummate or mzero is town power but his power isnt useful anymore now that red is dead and I used up my one watch. Plus if mzero is town, hes a mislynch candidate.

Hell, I was a one time watcher - maybe scum had a one time strongman ninja. Seems pretty balanced as a means to not to punish scum for using strongman on an obvious candidate if the watcher hadnt used their watch yet.

If peaf flips strongman ninja, mzero is virtually proven to be town. If peaf flips town or some other scum role, mzero stays a question mark. But I dont want a town mzero meeting the same avoidable death as death because we made a suboptimal play.

I dont think we should rush to end day because Id like for everyone to take a stance on this and peaf is welcome to plead his case. But I sure as hell will not be spilling the beans to get you to share what youre doing thats supposedly working to save townies.

Sorry peaf, youre caught scum.

Wtf did I just read

Ctes is town
Wallz is town
Peaf is town
Marth is town
Chris is probably town

I came into today thinking Chris had to be scum, but the claim makes a lot of sense. Chris is never allowed above "probably" again after SW&P though.

I still think Ulti is town from Lopen claiming to hide behind him, but field is a bit small. I'd be surprised if both Sultan and MZero are scum but at this point there basically has to be one in that pair. Then I guess it has to be Corrik. Dumey is also left, no doubt the claim is truthful enough, but it's starting to look unlikely it's town.

wallmasterz posted...

I will start by coming clean - I am Virtual Boy, but Im not a one-time watcher. I am regular watcher.

N1 - Watched Red - death, mzero, Chris visited
N2 - Watched Chris - no visitors observed
N3 - Watched Peaf - no visitors observed

I lean towards believing MZeros claim because it not only has synergy with reds role, but mine as well. MZero should not be viewed as town confirmed by any means (of course) but he should also not be a lynch priority right now and MZero, assuming youre town you should always be targeting me.

##Unvote
##Vote: Chris

I dont have a problem with a lynch on ctes but we should not do that today. Because I am a regular watcher I assume scum has a ninja. If they do I would suspect they are separate from the strongman role, which we know scum has because death visited red and red still died (I know I said something to the contrary earlier but I genuinely do think either scum has no ninja or its separate from strongman). If Mzero is town, either scum has a ninja strongman or Chris is scum. I believe the latter.

Why would Chris breadcrumb protection? According to him, he did it for shits and giggles because hes an arrogant smartass. Personally, I dont think alluding to being protection unnecessarily aligns with being a top mafia player. Note that Chris didnt give us anything really clever to hint at being armorer specifically, just generic protection allusions like a Doctor Who quote. I think scum realized getting rid of red was a priority so they rolled the dice with their strongman and Chris knew if there was a watcher, he would be seen, so he tried to cover by hinting at being protection. He was vague enough so his bread crumbing could fit whatever actual town protection was revealed through the course of the game, and didnt get close to making any concrete claims as to allow himself plausible deniability. And of course, Chris doesnt have to worry about scum picking up on his little hints and lynching him the way town Chris would. Add in the unlikelihood of Chris role giving away bulletproof vests like candy and Chris being too busy to catch up and make some reads beyond town clearing sultan at a glance and being pro-Death lynch.

Why Chris before ctes? If Chris is scum strongman, if scum gets an extra kill I think its very possible its an if you make it to night x you get an extra kill/power up kind of scenario. Basically, I worry scum does have motive to keep Chris alive longer.

if Chris flips town, MZero and peaf become higher lynch priorities (I dont think Death, peaf and Chris roles coexisting makes sense). If theres no scum ninja, peaf makes a lot more sense with my role (you cant protect the watcher without hindering their power).

If Chris flips scum, we lynch ctes next. I think its very possible Chris jumped on the ctes lynch train as early as possible knowing he will flip scum and its time to distance. If I was Chris and I was town, Id be voting for peaf.

That's much better.

You not revealing your third name killed death. This is why you always claim all info if going to claim at all.

Ctes and Chris are both still scum.

Chris and Peaf are claims at odds. Peaf has someone specifically that can verify his commuter half of his claim already which thus makes Peaf true. (As well as being roleblocked).

Deaths flip cements these both don't exist together.

Chris claim is basically that the end game could have 4 people unkillable for scum basically or what not if he keeps giving vests to people not shot and the game goes long. I understand he will probably claim 2 uses or whatever, but still.

I don't know if Chris dying first or ctes matters tho.

So let's look at this. If Chris handed out a vest night 1 to red, which he says they don't use night of. That's 1 vest gone already. None out for night 2. Night 2 he targets????. Night 3 again no kill. But, okay, why was there no kill night 2? No doctor. No vests out. This is 1 conclusion. Peaf was targeted. He commuted. This was verified by death who is now flipped town.

Thus peaf is legitimate.

No kill night 3. There is only 3 options. Chris vest from night 2. Ctes targeted by scum. Ctes put in night kill.

I guess the question is if ctes would put in the kills over Chris. And, you would think no right? Chris is spent strongman and is going to try and claim protection to try and stay alive so needs to keep moving. But... there is a but... now that we know there is a FULL TIME WATCHER (WAY TO NOT CLAIM INFO PERTINENT TO THE GAME). We know that scum probably has a full time ninja then also.

So why would ctes have put the kill in? He is a ninja that can't be seen.

Death didn't die because we didn't have a third name

ctesjbuvf posted...

Death didn't die because we didn't have a third name

Yes he did.

We knew Chris was scum for how many days now. If chris' name is revealed, death and mzero are confirmed town once Chris flips scum.

The doctor who quote actually wasn't a crumb I just like doctor who.

Corrik7 posted...

Yes he did.

We knew Chris was scum for how many days now. If chris' name is revealed, death and mzero are confirmed town once Chris flips scum.

No.

You said you had Chris as scum for poe reasons and Death as scum because he went to a kill target twice. Everyone knew there was a third person on red and that it had to be among the unclaimed basically. Who did you think it was? Death would've still been lynched.

Any way aome of you guys take things too seriously. 'This doesn't line up with top mafia play' like ah geesh such things aren't very nice to say given that here I am, alive day 4 as town (which you will find out) with my role used up (edumey wanted to be cagey but no real need to be anymore tbh) and town doing great. My big thing is having fun and getting dubs these days and if I were you wall I wouldn't speak about things like top tier mafia play and act as if my play is against it. It's not very nice.

I am still tired and just randomly woke up. There's very little of substance to this line of thought bug especially the voting for peaf thing. Given the only role I have seen is untargetable roleblocker I am assuming scum roles are pretty good tbh and with that in mind a partial jailkeeper fits pretty well protection wise.

Going after peaf if you flip me is probably going losing so try not to do that.

Gonna be kind of funny if peaf did block ctes though and like 2 days from now there is another no kill. Pretty based tbh

Maybe I just give off an evil aura aa protection. I blame sheep tbh.

Anyway we have done this before. Corrik was also scum in that game! I am a bit less egoless and I like walls spirit if not rhetoric. Give me a bit to dive into things and then after you kill your protection roll just follow my poe and win. Worked great in fire emblem I went 3/3

Should be agreeable tbh

Bo need for everyone to get in a twist. I have done my duty and am a vanilla anyway

Please excuse typos. I shouldn't type without glasses.

wallmasterz posted...

I will start by coming clean - I am Virtual Boy, but Im not a one-time watcher. I am regular watcher.

You actually slipped this day 3, you said you told Dumey you were going to watch the third person who targeted red and that you did. I didn't want to point it out but I did notice it. I was targeting you every night regardless though. just in case

MZero posted...

You actually slipped this day 3, you said you told Dumey you were going to watch the third person who targeted red and that you did. I didn't want to point it out but I did notice it. I was targeting you every night regardless though. just in case

Yeah, long story there. I have been on the fence about coming out with everything and when I posted that I was planning to share but didnt have the time for a post explaining. Then I got cold feet but figured well lets see who notices what I said and if it gets called out Ill go into more detail when I can

Votals
[3]Ctes - Peaf, Chris, (Marth), Dumey
[3]Chris - MZero, Ulti, Wallz
[2]MZero - Sultan, (Dumey), Marth
[0]SBell - (Ulti)
[0]Peaf - (Wallz)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Day ends at 7PM EST on Tuesday, in ~36 hours 15 minutes.

Hey ctes, that's a lot of defense of Chris and no claim. Wanna rethink that?

Sorry for seeming mean Chris. I do think you, peaf and death all coexisting as protection is unlikely though especially since we have a full time watcher. Although our cop was nerfed to start the game.

Chris ctes Sultan, final answer?

Anyway let's see what's going on here.

11 players alive

Edumey murdered the mafia roleblocker
Peaf claimed block n1 uncountered and given who I gave vest to n2 probably stopped that kill
Wallz is a watcher

So that's super town core

Kill me, someone in there dies

9 left.

Mzero claims backup. It's either this or ninja strongman. Claims a scan on Marth

Leaves 5... ctes/sbell/ulti/sultan/corrik

Trying to test sultan at that point could be game losing if he is town and hits town. Hopefully I am just listened to on that read then or uh oh.

Anyone got a full list of claims

Sbell claimed miller
sultan claimed vengeful QuickDraw who can point his gun and if he dies the person his gun is pointed at also dies

ctes, ulti and Corrik have not claimed. Kinda funny since from my limited sample size ulti and Corrik usually bang the table talking about mass claims no later than day 2.