Board 8 > Video Game Console Mafia - Topic 6: Aim for a High Score

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Kirby321
05/06/23 2:10:36 PM
#1:


Player List
1) Peace___Frog
2) UltimaterializerX
3) htaeD
4) MZero
5) Corrik7
6) wallmasterz
7) ctesjbuvf
8) Obellisk
9) EDumey
10) TheSultanOfSlam
11) SirChris
12) UnderUrMattress

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Current Votals
[5] Death - Dumey, (Chris), Sbell, (Marth), Corrik, Ctes, Marth, (Ulti)
[1] MZero - Sultan
[1] SBell - Ulti
[1] Sultan - MZero

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day ends at 7PM EST Sunday, in ~29 hours.

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EDumey
05/06/23 2:18:01 PM
#2:


MZero posted...
Lopen abandoning the Sultan train to randomly start pushing you makes no sense if you are scum

I think the Lopen bus makes some amount of sense. The way I read how D2 went, Lopen responded to the same-time claim right away with "damnit I hinted hider multiple times" not realizing I had different rationale for continuing with the same-time. He thought he was safe initially, and his plan was to go after Death then.

Let's just pretend that I had a normal common action that didn't out him there.

Lopen is claimed Hider with an action confirming his untargettability. He has confirmed Ulti town with his action. He busses Death successfully and has a good lynch in his record. He is set up for the rest of the game with that, making it to end game as long as people don't get suspicious of him never "hiding" behind scum.

Lopen has every reason in the world to bus Death there to improve his standing.

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htaeD
05/06/23 2:25:36 PM
#3:


He would have started bussing me day1 tho.
Me the alleged but not actually strongman

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htaeD
05/06/23 2:29:36 PM
#4:


Btw cracktheory time
Lopen started day2 pursuing Marth, and he probably didnt know he was going to be trained by town (much less outed by EDumey) so I doubt he was distancing there.
However Mzero came up with an innocent scan on Marth soon after, and the wild part of my brain is wondering if this was all a plan by the three of them to confirm each other soft/hard-wise.
Probably not, seems risky to link a pair together even if Marth is the godfather, but if its true than I take full credit for being the first to think it!

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EDumey
05/06/23 2:29:39 PM
#5:


Yeah, but if he doesn't think you're actually going to be lynched D1, and your strongman is spent, then it's safe to continue that bus after the fact.

I don't think it's crazy to think that scum votes or pushes scum buddies early thinking they won't actually be lynched yet. He doesn't even have to have a fully developed plan with his fake claim at that point yet. Throwing shade at you because people historically have a tough time reading you is pretty easy to throw out early and push later.

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MZero
05/06/23 2:31:40 PM
#6:


EDumey posted...
I think the Lopen bus makes some amount of sense. The way I read how D2 went, Lopen responded to the same-time claim right away with "damnit I hinted hider multiple times" not realizing I had different rationale for continuing with the same-time. He thought he was safe initially, and his plan was to go after Death then.

Let's just pretend that I had a normal common action that didn't out him there.

Lopen is claimed Hider with an action confirming his untargettability. He has confirmed Ulti town with his action. He busses Death successfully and has a good lynch in his record. He is set up for the rest of the game with that, making it to end game as long as people don't get suspicious of him never "hiding" behind scum.

Lopen has every reason in the world to bus Death there to improve his standing.

If Sultan is town and death is scum, there's no reason for Lopen to divert from Sultan, who had his gun pointed at town me, and give up a double mislynch to bus a teammate. Like there was already a plan in place to set up red to hammer iirc

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htaeD
05/06/23 2:32:14 PM
#7:


Oh nevermind
Lopen unvoted Marth before Mzero even claimed
That frees Mzero from my theory accusation, and if Mzero is town it makes it less likely for Marth to be scum
(Tho Red scanning scum godfather of all things would be hilariously unfortunate luck)

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Corrik7
05/06/23 2:32:37 PM
#8:


Annoyed you won't hammer. I get a bonus everutime you guys hammer scum

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UnderUrMattress
05/06/23 2:36:48 PM
#9:


Corrik7 posted...
Annoyed you won't hammer. I get a bonus everutime you guys hammer scum
stop begging for hammer i might townread you for it

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htaeD
05/06/23 2:37:28 PM
#10:


Anyway day2 notes on Lopen are more dull
EDumey was the major driving force behind egtting him to claim, but Ulti gets some townpoints for joining Dumey before the sametime happened.
Nobody else really talked about Lopen or had time to take a side before the two claimed sadly.

For what its worth, Mzero believed EDumey afterwards and so did Marth (even if Marth was awfully bloodthirsty about it)
But these are observations anyone can make really, I cant draw any new insight from it.

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htaeD
05/06/23 2:38:20 PM
#11:


Corrik7 posted...
Annoyed you won't hammer. I get a bonus everutime you guys hammer scum


If we are making up stuff then I say you will get a debuff every time you hammer town

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/06/23 2:51:55 PM
#12:


undefined posted...
Vengeful town announcing their target is so lol btw
No it's not scum should have shot me if mzero is town am I wrong??

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htaeD
05/06/23 2:55:04 PM
#13:


Scum would never trust you to stay targeting Mzero

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/06/23 2:57:42 PM
#14:


Well I wasn't even going to claim to begin with

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htaeD
05/06/23 3:02:57 PM
#15:


A thing in your favor is I suppose you claiming your role with reds claim already out there
I mean you saw how willing everyone was to sacrifice you

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htaeD
05/06/23 3:11:34 PM
#16:


Running out of things to comment on
I do think Sbell looks the worst out of the initial BCT voters
And in the final salvo Lopen is the already revealed scum, but more than one could have joined there.
Ctes or Chris...or neither.. now thats a puzzlement

Ctes had minimal interaction with Lopen and Chris only had his questionable defense of his hider claim.

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Corrik7
05/06/23 3:14:35 PM
#17:


htaeD posted...
If we are making up stuff then I say you will get a debuff every time you hammer town
Shut up

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htaeD
05/06/23 3:20:21 PM
#18:


Never

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/06/23 3:31:26 PM
#19:


I should look at other people then Mzero sure.

Could be wrong about Mzero but this is a solid read I have and my gut is telling me it is right. I should stop being lazy and look for the other scum that is true

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Peace___Frog
05/06/23 3:33:07 PM
#20:


Wallz you looked deep in thought for a second there. Once you give the green light I'm good to acquiesce to corrik here.

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/06/23 3:35:36 PM
#21:




EDumey posted...
anyway, lopen volunteered sultan and corrik as "let's hammer them early" targets, then asked for volunteers, then jumped on the ulti wheel spin.

if lopen hypothetically flipped scum, do you think he would have named sultan or corrik there as a scum buddy? or is it too far of a stretch to pin up a line between them on the conspiracy board?


Question for Dumey thoughts on Corrik now?
This was a good point. I know im not scum but he might be onto something super early about Corrik

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/06/23 3:38:37 PM
#22:


Lopen was going hard after death bith days you think Lopen is that big of a busser?

Question for everyone

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/06/23 3:40:32 PM
#23:


Town reads
2) UltimaterializerX
4) MZero
6) wallmasterz

Role of 3
Wall is confirmed town....

Ulti or Mzero conveniently Mzero is on this list.

One of Mzeeocor Ulti probably scum.

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/06/23 3:41:32 PM
#24:


The above was a failed lopen quote btw

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/06/23 3:44:05 PM
#25:


Lopen posted...

Let's vote mzero. Let's vote underurmattress. Let's vote Corrik or sbell.

Then later wants to kill Mzero for no reason after calling him his top town read like 10 posts earlier???


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UnderUrMattress
05/06/23 3:44:15 PM
#26:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Lopen was going hard after death bith days you think Lopen is that big of a busser?

Question for everyone
Well death is scum so the answer is yes

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/06/23 3:46:39 PM
#27:


Corrik7 posted...
You are doing really good, Lopen.

Lol

This is after my bad reaction test but this is the only thoughts Corrik provided that is Sus ( the use of sus it to annoy I think it was Marth)

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htaeD
05/06/23 3:51:28 PM
#28:


UnderUrMattress posted...

Well death is scum so the answer is yes


Thats putting the conviction before the evidence

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EDumey
05/06/23 3:52:37 PM
#29:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Question for Dumey thoughts on Corrik now?
This was a good point. I know im not scum but he might be onto something super early about Corrik

My initial analysis of the conditional read on Topic 1 Page 1 was that Lopen actually wouldn't list a scum mate there, with the added context of pushing a fast lynch for Red to hammer would mean that there's a good chance whoever got pushed would be forced to claim. And in general you don't want scum to have to claim that fast unless they have a really good fake claim set up already.

But now I think there's a good chance Corrik is scum based on PoE. Corrik gave me permission to lynch him if he's ever wrong, so we have that in our corner!

Basically I think that initial conditional read on Lopen probably isn't good enough to tell one way or the other.

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htaeD
05/06/23 3:54:29 PM
#30:


I doubt Lopen naming Corrik on page1 counts for anything.
Him going back to Sultan later is more important.

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/06/23 3:57:29 PM
#31:


MZero posted...

Lopen was like "let's hammer RIGHT NOW in case red gets sweet powers by hammering in the first 12 hours"
Sultan spun a wheel and it landed on Ulti. Lopen votes Ulti and Sultan is like "sure why not" and joins him
I'm like "Lopen maybe chill"
Several hours later, Lopen has come down from his stance and is doing other stuff
Sultan says Lopen is scummy for trying to capitalize on red's claim to lynch someone
Lopen is like "uh I stopped doing that a long time ago"
Sultan says "oh I was just fishing for reactions"
Votes on Sultan follows. He says he doesn't want to claim because it's more fun that way. Then he claims vengeful townie and he's pointing his gun at me cause I'm too funny

and now we're here

Oh look Mzero protecting Lopen.


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TheSultanOfSlam
05/06/23 4:22:24 PM
#32:


htaeD posted...
I doubt Lopen naming Corrik on page1 counts for anything.
Him going back to Sultan later is more important.

Does more later on but not as much.


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UnderUrMattress
05/06/23 4:29:00 PM
#33:


htaeD posted...
Thats putting the conviction before the evidence
The evidence is you visited dead player.

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htaeD
05/06/23 4:36:47 PM
#34:


And if that always meant something we would have a lot of dead protection

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/06/23 4:48:21 PM
#35:


The lack of participation today is alot a bit troubling

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Peace___Frog
05/06/23 5:00:57 PM
#36:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
The lack of participation today is alot a bit troubling
Not really. Some people wanted to end the day 18 hours ago. Others are busy. And most have said their piece.

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htaeD
05/06/23 5:03:51 PM
#37:


Yeah I have exhausted my Lopen posts and posts about Lopen, so now I am just milling things over in a general sense.

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wallmasterz
05/06/23 5:07:10 PM
#38:


I guess I am fine with death being lynched. Part of me worries hes actually telling the truth which has troubling implications for the third person I watched, but if they are scum and Dumey is too, meh gg scum. Despite peaf asking me to open my heart I do think this game has a doctor and I cant imagine they would willingly not visit confirmed town cop n1. So here goes nothing and death, if you do flip town, apologies, and if I die I think look hard at Mzero and Who ever you think I thought was doctor.

##Vote: Death

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wallmasterz
05/06/23 5:08:37 PM
#39:


But if death is town we either have a ninja strongman or MZero/? is scum

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htaeD
05/06/23 5:19:37 PM
#40:


Oh yeah also keep a close eye on Corrik
He usually reads me well and should no be this straightforward

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/06/23 5:21:26 PM
#41:


wallmasterz posted...
I guess I am fine with death being lynched. Part of me worries hes actually telling the truth which has troubling implications for the third person I watched, but if they are scum and Dumey is too, meh gg scum. Despite peaf asking me to open my heart I do think this game has a doctor and I cant imagine they would willingly not visit confirmed town cop n1. So here goes nothing and death, if you do flip town, apologies, and if I die I think look hard at Mzero and Who ever you think I thought was doctor.

##Vote: Death

Reevaluate this then. If the doc and Death visited to save who was targetted Death's BG was not needed as the doc saved the target

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wallmasterz
05/06/23 5:33:08 PM
#42:


##Unvote

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wallmasterz
05/06/23 5:34:03 PM
#43:


What if I mention who else visited red, death agrees to bg this individual

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wallmasterz
05/06/23 5:34:36 PM
#44:


This person can never die before death or else it outs death

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htaeD
05/06/23 5:35:53 PM
#45:


Hold on
Cant type much right now

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Peace___Frog
05/06/23 5:37:22 PM
#46:


I'd prefer otherwise. If you die tonight then Dumey says who it is tomorrow.

And like i said, if he's scum then he's earned the win.

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htaeD
05/06/23 5:39:15 PM
#47:


wallmasterz posted...
This person can never die before death or else it outs death

Yeah but people wont trust me to do it

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EDumey
05/06/23 6:10:21 PM
#48:


Alright Death, you put in all this time analyzing Lopen's scraps. What did you find? What alternative lynch do you suggest?

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wallmasterz
05/06/23 6:13:29 PM
#49:


htaeD posted...
Yeah but people wont trust me to do it

Why would everyone elses trust matter

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UnderUrMattress
05/06/23 6:22:17 PM
#50:


##unvote

I know I have zero agency here, but I actually do not hate this plan.

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