Board 8 > Video Game Console Mafia - Topic 6: Aim for a High Score

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EDumey
05/07/23 9:10:42 PM
#151:


MZero posted...
I literally told you to stop yesterday with death, so it's not because I'm on the chopping block!

You guys are being lazy. You're not even looking at play or interactions with scum, you're just like "oh x visited red he must be scum" and riding it. You should try actually lynching scummy players instead of being slaves to night actions that don't actually prove anything.

I can't speak for everyone else, but I posted reasons for being okay with lynching Death based on play after he had a chance to defend himself. I ended up being wrong, but it's not like I'm not evaluating play at all.

I also responded to Peaf above specifically about your play and Ctes' play both. I'm not being lazy, I'm using all the info I have available to me and, once I have a lead, try to simplify the pieces. Same way you approach any strategy game.

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UnderUrMattress
05/07/23 9:11:13 PM
#152:


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I literally told you to stop yesterday with death, so it's not because I'm on the chopping block!

You guys are being lazy. You're not even looking at play or interactions with scum, you're just like "oh x visited red he must be scum" and riding it. You should try actually lynching scummy players instead of being slaves to night actions that don't actually prove anything.

Who would you consider for today?

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wallmasterz
05/07/23 9:11:47 PM
#153:


Peaf looks scummy. Dumey looks scummy. We just went two nights in a row with no night kill. Towards the end of our neighbour chat Dumey also expressed feeling that I should lay everything out on the table before this day ends. Its possible he wanted this because he thought it would look bad if the doctor (again, assuming there is one) died immediately after Dumey neighbord me and I confided in him.

Before we mass claim how about we actually lynch better during the day ffs. Im not saying we should never do it, but not yet. Dumey you were very vocal about wanting to go through with lynching death and it was a big mistake.

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UnderUrMattress
05/07/23 9:12:34 PM
#154:


wallmasterz posted...
Peaf looks scummy. Dumey looks scummy. We just went two nights in a row with no night kill. Towards the end of our neighbour chat Dumey also expressed feeling that I should lay everything out on the table before this day ends. Its possible he wanted this because he thought it would look bad if the doctor (again, assuming there is one) died immediately after Dumey neighbord me and I confided in him.

Before we mass claim how about we actually lynch better during the day ffs. Im not saying we should never do it, but not yet. Dumey you were very vocal about wanting to go through with lynching death and it was a big mistake.
Who would you lynch?

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MZero
05/07/23 9:14:59 PM
#155:


UnderUrMattress posted...
Who would you consider for today?

Sultan or Chris are my preferred choices

willing to look into ctes and SBell

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UnderUrMattress
05/07/23 9:15:28 PM
#156:


MZero posted...
Sultan or Chris are my preferred choices

willing to look into ctes and SBell
Why Chris?

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wallmasterz
05/07/23 9:16:30 PM
#157:


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Im still learning a lot about mafia but one thing that stuck with me from my first game (Star Trek) is the night after scum first went after Ulti who was kinda bp doc, meaning he could withstand one normal killing (non-strongman) action, no one died and you could tell Han (who was scum) was totally sour grapes once the next day started and he realized ulti was not lying about being bp to at least some extent. I was lynched instead of Han and regretted not pushing harder.

When I saw no one died a second night in a row in this game, I expected to see at least one person come across in a way that reminded me of Han in Star Trek. A way that doesnt feel quite right in response to good news for town. Maybe not angry. Maybe trying their best to contain feeling understandably exasperated. Maybe just pressing for information to help them avoid a third consecutive night of a missed kill.

Yup.

Peaf voted death going along with Dumeys reasoning (he apparently loves when Dumey talks math to him). Dumey said unless theres a ninja strongman its 50/50 between death and mzero. Now death has flipped town and peaf acknowledges it could be mzero but is instead pushing for votes on ctes instead of going along with Dumeys reasoning he agreed with yesterday. This is because peaf knows one of two things to be true - Mzero is his scummate or mzero is town power but his power isnt useful anymore now that red is dead and I used up my one watch. Plus if mzero is town, hes a mislynch candidate.

Hell, I was a one time watcher - maybe scum had a one time strongman ninja. Seems pretty balanced as a means to not to punish scum for using strongman on an obvious candidate if the watcher hadnt used their watch yet.

If peaf flips strongman ninja, mzero is virtually proven to be town. If peaf flips town or some other scum role, mzero stays a question mark. But I dont want a town mzero meeting the same avoidable death as death because we made a suboptimal play.

I dont think we should rush to end day because Id like for everyone to take a stance on this and peaf is welcome to plead his case. But I sure as hell will not be spilling the beans to get you to share what youre doing thats supposedly working to save townies.

Sorry peaf, youre caught scum.

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Peace___Frog
05/07/23 9:16:30 PM
#158:


wallmasterz posted...
Peaf looks scummy.
Fucking reply to me then. Death confirmed that i couldn't be targeted n2. Lopen flipped Untargetable. Your argument is among the worst I've ever seen.

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Peace___Frog
05/07/23 9:18:01 PM
#159:


Man i haven't been actually angry about mafia in a long time. Wow

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MZero
05/07/23 9:18:18 PM
#160:


UnderUrMattress posted...
Why Chris?

Chris hasn't really gotten started (which is fair if he's in three games or whatever), but he came in and vetoed Sultan (who I think is scum), used game mechanics to soft defend Lopen without making himself look bad when Lopen flip scum and avoided the Lopen lynch, and discouraged people (me) from exploring options other than death yesterday.

I don't like it

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UnderUrMattress
05/07/23 9:18:45 PM
#161:


Peace___Frog posted...
Fucking reply to me then. Death confirmed that i couldn't be targeted n2. Lopen flipped Untargetable. Your argument is among the worst I've ever seen.
How do backups (specifically mafia ones) work on this site? Do they take the first role to die, or do they get to pick whenever they want to back someone up?

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wallmasterz
05/07/23 9:18:55 PM
#162:


Peace___Frog posted...
Fucking reply to me then. Death confirmed that i couldn't be targeted n2. Lopen flipped Untargetable. Your argument is among the worst I've ever seen.


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EDumey
05/07/23 9:20:39 PM
#163:


wallmasterz posted...
Peaf looks scummy. Dumey looks scummy. We just went two nights in a row with no night kill. Towards the end of our neighbour chat Dumey also expressed feeling that I should lay everything out on the table before this day ends. Its possible he wanted this because he thought it would look bad if the doctor (again, assuming there is one) died immediately after Dumey neighbord me and I confided in him.

Before we mass claim how about we actually lynch better during the day ffs. Im not saying we should never do it, but not yet. Dumey you were very vocal about wanting to go through with lynching death and it was a big mistake.

I don't know how many times I have to explain to people on this board the results-based thinking is a bad trap to fall down to. Us missing the coinflip on Death does not mean it was a bad decision to make. The entire time, both in our neighbor chat and in topic I recognized and verbalized that it was not a 100% lynch. At worst it was a 50/50, at best we had play and meta reasons to think Death was the more likely choice. And even with that, I still expressed it as a 50/50 to make it clear the choice we were making.

Don't panic just because of one mislynch. Death flipping town doesn't suddenly mean the existence of a Ninja Bulletproof is guaranteed. It would be foolish to jump to the opposite conclusion. The only thing people were "talked out of" yesterday were attempts to try plan night actions and leash a potential scum when there were multiple ways those plans could played around by scum.

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wallmasterz
05/07/23 9:21:53 PM
#164:


Sorry, meant to add complain about it to sheep after the game (or right now in scum chat lol).

Specify which nights you were untargetable, which nights you werent, and how your role works, or I will do my damnedest to get you lynched.

Apparently you were roleblocked n1 by scum because you were their second priority after red, you commuted n2, now it was n3 and? You said if death is town bodyguard youre convinced youre likely the only other protection, and youve not been shy about the timing of things, so yes Id like you to spill.

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Peace___Frog
05/07/23 9:22:01 PM
#165:


Ok you know what? Fuck you, Wallz.

I already claimed NES, limited Commuter. My other limited action is Jailkeep. I targeted ctes last night and role blocked him. I thought about targeting you to protect you but chose not to because, in case you have other actions, i wouldn't get in your way.

Protecting Dumey would be relying on dumey to be targeted by the kill. I couldn't have faith in that.

So i targeted ctes. He was my biggest read coming into today. And i believe he submitted the kill.

This is why i said yesterday that i believed bg over doc. My role is protection adjacent. So was death. Having a doc on top of that makes very little sense.

Now fucking unvote me and do something fucking useful

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UnderUrMattress
05/07/23 9:23:39 PM
#166:


##vote: Ctes

hey peaf, think you can be less aggressive?

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Peace___Frog
05/07/23 9:23:47 PM
#167:


And i really fucking wanted someone to bounce ideas off of but my second strongest town lean went totally off the fucking rails? I prevented two fucking night kills and this is what happens.

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UnderUrMattress
05/07/23 9:24:09 PM
#168:


Peace___Frog posted...
Ok you know what? Fuck you, Wallz.

I already claimed NES, limited Commuter. My other limited action is Jailkeep. I targeted ctes last night and role blocked him. I thought about targeting you to protect you but chose not to because, in case you have other actions, i wouldn't get in your way.

Protecting Dumey would be relying on dumey to be targeted by the kill. I couldn't have faith in that.

So i targeted ctes. He was my biggest read coming into today. And i believe he submitted the kill.

This is why i said yesterday that i believed bg over doc. My role is protection adjacent. So was death. Having a doc on top of that makes very little sense.

Now fucking unvote me and do something fucking useful
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Peace___Frog
05/07/23 9:24:15 PM
#169:


Yeah I'm going to take a walk. Sorry.

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Peace___Frog
05/07/23 9:26:29 PM
#170:


For the record, i targeted sbell n1 to test the Miller claim. I didn't want to rb red, and i figured that if it was a scumbell gambit then at least he'd be blocked.
But i got blocked instead :)

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UnderUrMattress
05/07/23 9:26:46 PM
#171:


@Peace___Frog

when you come back from cooling down

why did you [7] Death - Dumey, (Chris), Sbell, (Marth), Corrik, Ctes, (Marth), (Ulti), (Wallz), Peaf, Marth, Wallz

when your argument is that bg is adjacent for your role

you also had people like me, MZero, and wallz that were trying to get you to see outside the box but you pushed death out anyways.

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UnderUrMattress
05/07/23 9:33:38 PM
#172:


@wallmasterz

was the third visitor ctes?

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UnderUrMattress
05/07/23 9:35:44 PM
#173:


also peaf i think edumey is possibly scum again.

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Peace___Frog
05/07/23 9:38:14 PM
#174:


UnderUrMattress posted...
you also had people like me, MZero, and wallz that were trying to get you to see outside the box but you pushed death out anyways.
I don't understand your question. You were ready to end day after 90 minutes. I pushed to have more time just in case death was town. It's funny that you use this phrasing when i am the one who explicitly asked wallz to consider a world in which the third person was not doc.

I have limited actions. Red had to jump through hoops to get an upgraded power. I 100% thought that if we have a doctor, they had some kind of limitations. A bg wouldn't need those limitations.

With this info out in the open, i fully expect wallz and dumey to name who the third person that targeted red was. The more i think about it, the more they're probably not doctor.

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UnderUrMattress
05/07/23 9:38:39 PM
#175:


i wonder how much equity ctes/edumey have together

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Peace___Frog
05/07/23 9:39:44 PM
#176:


UnderUrMattress posted...
also peaf i think edumey is possibly scum again.
Agreed. It's impressive how we've gone through three day phases and literally every single player looks bad as hell.

In wallz' defense, i can understand me looking bad here too if you're going to consider a mafia backup. It's not unheard of, and was in the first game back that Dumey played (xenoblade).

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UnderUrMattress
05/07/23 9:40:58 PM
#177:


Peace___Frog posted...
I don't understand your question. You were ready to end day after 90 minutes. I pushed to have more time just in case death was town. It's funny that you use this phrasing when i am the one who explicitly asked wallz to consider a world in which the third person was not doc.

I have limited actions. Red had to jump through hoops to get an upgraded power. I 100% thought that if we have a doctor, they had some kind of limitations. A bg wouldn't need those limitations.

With this info out in the open, i fully expect wallz and dumey to name who the third person that targeted red was. The more i think about it, the more they're probably not doctor.
i'm not as in the know as you, but if your role had synergy with his, why did you vote him out, when we were looking outside the box at one point? i made a myriad of points how voting out death (regardless of his alignment) might not have been the best idea. my logic was dismissed immediately and it wasn't just me.

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UnderUrMattress
05/07/23 9:42:20 PM
#178:


strangely enough, one of my biggest trusts now is ulti

this is a game of mafia for sure.

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Peace___Frog
05/07/23 9:43:12 PM
#179:


I think i was the first one to propose lynching Sultan. I was talked down and really thought that bg was too convenient of a claim at the end of the day.

How does my role have synergy with a bg that limited doc would not? Wallz and dumey were so sure of things yesterday and i was convinced.

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UnderUrMattress
05/07/23 9:44:48 PM
#180:


Peace___Frog posted...
I think i was the first one to propose lynching Sultan. I was talked down and really thought that bg was too convenient of a claim at the end of the day.

How does my role have synergy with a bg that limited doc would not? Wallz and dumey were so sure of things yesterday and i was convinced.
i'm not suspecting you for what it's worth, i'm just trying to figure out why we did what we did. and there's no way that what we did yesterday WASN'T influenced by mafia.

i wouldn't have hounded a bg claim as hard as i did if the information presented today was relayed yesterday.

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SirChris
05/07/23 9:46:42 PM
#181:


Dumey is in a bind so I will claim now since he needs thread help.

I am the third name.

I am N64, limited use Armourer. I have already fully revealed how many uses and targets to dumey but I don't think that needs to he publix information yet.

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Peace___Frog
05/07/23 9:46:54 PM
#182:


Sorry for being a dick, Wallz. I was extremely perturbed that your argument yesterday was "1 of these 3 people killed red", then we killed one of them, and now you're going "eh forget about that i don't like this other guy".

I would prefer not to state how many uses i have remaining because i don't want scum to play around it. I'm going to assume that's the same reason you haven't given us any info from n2 or n3 yet? What's up with that?

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UnderUrMattress
05/07/23 9:47:06 PM
#183:


so while ctes APPEARS to be caught with his pants down, he was a complete nonfactor yesterday and had nothing to do with why we went so wrong. something just isn't adding up.

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EDumey
05/07/23 9:47:08 PM
#184:


I feel a little bit stun locked because I don't want to reveal other people's info for them, but I'll state that I tentatively believe Peaf's role, and also want to ask Wallz to slow down just a moment. Don't be hasty.

Now that Peaf has fully claimed, lets me mention why I was advocating the mass claim. There's what, like 4-5 people unclaimed, and we've only had one Vanilla claimed or flipped in BCT? That's why I was saying it isn't a big deal because pretty much all of the remaining people to claim are going to be Vanilla, whether they're fake claiming scum or not. I was humoring Peaf because it was obvious he wanted to see if Ctes claimed something other than Vanilla (and now I understand he wanted to see if they claimed roleblocked as well).

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EDumey
05/07/23 9:47:36 PM
#185:


oh chris posted right after i refreshed lol. i was waiting for him to respond when i typed that up

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UnderUrMattress
05/07/23 9:48:02 PM
#186:


wtf is an armorer

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UnderUrMattress
05/07/23 9:48:58 PM
#187:


im neogeo vanilla

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SirChris
05/07/23 9:49:00 PM
#188:


I give out bulletproof vests that can be shot once.

The target is not aware they have been given an item.

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EDumey
05/07/23 9:49:07 PM
#189:


So the answer is that Wallz and I were assuming full doctor, but once I talked to Chris, I discovered it's limited protection. So we now have to consider if this game having three weak/limited protections is acceptable, or if we still think too much protection.

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SirChris
05/07/23 9:50:04 PM
#190:


I thought it was me + doctor as 2 protections initially tbh which is why I nope'd bg

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Peace___Frog
05/07/23 9:50:15 PM
#191:


UnderUrMattress posted...
i'm not suspecting you for what it's worth, i'm just trying to figure out why we did what we did. and there's no way that what we did yesterday WASN'T influenced by mafia.

i wouldn't have hounded a bg claim as hard as i did if the information presented today was relayed yesterday.
Oh yeah, a million percent. There's plenty of info, thanks to someone insisting we don't go for the speed run.

I couldn't share this info yesterday because i needed scum to not play around the possibility of getting role blocked.

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UnderUrMattress
05/07/23 9:50:31 PM
#192:


SirChris posted...
I give out bulletproof vests that can be shot once.

The target is not aware they have been given an item.

so i assume that if they're targeted then they're made unaware of it

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UnderUrMattress
05/07/23 9:51:52 PM
#193:


i believe chris' claim.

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EDumey
05/07/23 9:52:18 PM
#194:


To be fair, I also probably would have given more consideration to Death's BG claim if I wasn't assuming Doctor at that time. But Peaf's argument of no Doctor because Commuter counts as protection wasn't enough to change my mind at that time.

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UnderUrMattress
05/07/23 9:53:02 PM
#195:


i don't think ctes would lead a kill with how deeply poe'd he was yesterday and zero signs of town roleblocking abilities anywhere.

i'd still lynch him though.

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MZero
05/07/23 9:53:10 PM
#196:


##Vote: Chris

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UnderUrMattress
05/07/23 9:53:23 PM
#197:


EDumey posted...
To be fair, I also probably would have given more consideration to Death's BG claim if I wasn't assuming Doctor at that time. But Peaf's argument of no Doctor because Commuter counts as protection wasn't enough to change my mind at that time.
i am so suspicious of you right now

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TheSultanOfSlam
05/07/23 9:53:28 PM
#198:


MZero posted...
Chris hasn't really gotten started (which is fair if he's in three games or whatever), but he came in and vetoed Sultan (who I think is scum), used game mechanics to soft defend Lopen without making himself look bad when Lopen flip scum and avoided the Lopen lynch, and discouraged people (me) from exploring options other than death yesterday.

I don't like it

I actually don't nessisarily disagree with the thought on Chris.

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UnderUrMattress
05/07/23 9:54:05 PM
#199:


MZero posted...
##Vote: Chris
well that's a motive.

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SirChris
05/07/23 9:55:31 PM
#200:


MZero posted...
##Vote: Chris

That's not gonna end how you want it to end.

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